Mini Normal 2143 (Game over)

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Hello. Nice to meet you all. I am jester this game. Thanks for playing.

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Hello. Nice to meet you all. I am jester this game. Thanks for playing.

Less than one page in and we've already arrived here. I say we lynch this if we can't find anyone else to lynch today. And if there is a scum-read, I guess.

Okay, you can be my first TR. Thanks.

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That's such a weird way of looking at it: I am proposing we lynch him in case we have no other reads, I'd rather mislynch a Jester than deal with a headache claiming to be a Jester the entire game, especially if we have no better leads. But I am not adverse to lynching someone else if we have to, I guess.

Is this where I say I am not ACTUALLY jester? I am pretty sure that should be obvious at this point.

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vote: firebringer

he knows why

Oh, snap!

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From the wiki, non-normal roles:
Roles which are explicitly Non-Normal include:
Non-Sane Cop, Blank Vig, Non-Sane or Quack Doctor, Janitor, Survivor, Lyncher, Cultist,

]Jester

, Mafia Mason, Bus Driver, Lightning Rod, Nexus, Redirector, Framer, Vanillaizer, Beloved Princess, Arsonist, Governor, Godfather

Why are you lying QuicK?

Because reactions are my friend. I did get a TR out of it. whoever seems somewhat light and fluffy - like a pancake. Pancakes don't have agendas in case you didn't know.

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Quick already said he was lying

LaL... QUICK!!!

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And a non-normal roll cannot be in a normal game by definition

You are allowed one non-normal role in a Normal game. That is what I remember, but YMMV.

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God DAMN! This is going to be a fun one.

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I wasn't aware of that rule my bad

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-town equity on Mohab for taking advantage of a page 1 joke jester claim and egging a lynch on Quick. (They thought the claim was actually serious.)

So you wouldnt lynch a Jester claim to get it out of the way?
I havent played with any Jesters like ever, so I dont even know how to play around them, but one thing that's for sure is that a Jester existing would mean insta loss on LyLo.

Game ends when Jester is lynched on some sites.

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If someone does something scummy on the first page, it's still scummy. Wanting to lynch a claimed jester because we may not find other scum is scummy. Why not just find scum?

Are you defending blurryface or the jesterclaim?

Actually I was attacking Mohab

Ok so were you chainsawing for blurryface or the jesterclaim? https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... aw_Defense

I like this post. It's NAI or anything, but I like it.

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If someone does something scummy on the first page, it's still scummy. Wanting to lynch a claimed jester because we may not find other scum is scummy. Why not just find scum?

Are you defending blurryface or the jesterclaim?

Actually I was attacking Mohab

Ok so were you chainsawing for blurryface or the jesterclaim? https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... aw_Defense

I like this post. It's NAI or anything, but I like it.

I wasn't chainsawing anything I was commenting on Mohab exclusively

I just like that he linked it. Didn't really look at what he was implying. That's quite defensive of you though. Why so serious?

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They are a voting member of the town.

I hope you try hard this game. I liked your play in the other one ftr.

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They are a voting member of the town.

I hope you try hard this game. I liked your play in the other one ftr.

bro that shit was so TILTING do not get me started, you came in with the HEAT

They are a voting member of the town.

I hope you try hard this game. I liked your play in the other one ftr.

Not that it mattered in the end.

Well... Let's hope I can bust this game wide open D3

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This is going to be the game in 2 RL days.

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I claim vanilla town let's get on with Mohab.

Bro, if you want people to believe your claim, you gotta claim Jester here...

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Add Sakura and Norwegian to my TRs...

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Because there are other fish to fry.

Lynch this...

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VOTE: NPOM

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No I can help us win

Okay, I actually DON'T know what to make of this. You clearly know I can lynch you.

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That was the hammer.

Christ.

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UNVOTE: NPOM

In case it matters.

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No idea what just happened and I am not sure how claiming VT came into this whole thing, but if we're lynching NPOM, I am up. Let's go!

VOTE: NPOM L-1.

Lynch this... FUCK!

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NPOM had only 2 votes and Mohab was already voting him, you guys are terrible at reaction testing.

Actually 3 votes, but still way far from a lynch.

I pretty much never count votes (even on myself). I would rather look at ~other things~.

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You're down one town thank you

Don't know if I buy this in retrospect.

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I like popo's vote on NPOM based on what I know of them as a player and the fact that NPOM DOES actually have some Scum equity IIRC.

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NPOM looks like LHF to me right now.

Looking to have fun? Not sure what LHF means, but if that is it, I def do NOT see that.

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NPOM looks like LHF to me right now.

What is LHF?

Low Hanging Fruit.

I take back my TR on you. I can see what you are saying, but that's not the impression I get from NPOM's play here. He either genuinely doesn't want a NK on him (which I have been guilty of before, honestly) or he is makes a WEIRD ASS PLAY here as Scum.

For now, I believe his claim.

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Of course I don't want to be killed how am I supposed to help the town win?

That's the thing... You are low key saying, "No need to kill me because I am VT, look elsewhere" and that implies you think you are good at this game and can solve without being a PR.

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If you believe his claim why does that not qualify as LHF for you.

See above

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If you believe his claim why does that not qualify as LHF for you.

See above

Hmm I see, I guess that does make some sense, but I dont see him trying at all to convince anyone.

Yeah, that is within his meta IIRC.

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My hot take is that Sakura, despite being second highest in activity, has not scumhunted at all.

How very observant of you.

This is the sort of thing I consider for SvS, FTR.

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My hot take is that Sakura, despite being second highest in activity, has not scumhunted at all.

How very observant of you.

This is the sort of thing I consider for SvS, FTR.

That’s interesting. I was classifying them using an entirely different instrument of measurement. Namely the towniness of the slots depend entirely on which one looks the least like a disgusting manpig.

Wut?

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I think man pigs are kind of cute.

Ship it.

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Page 9 needs to be erased from the MS database.

Phone posting now, reads later.

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Not enough info itt for a reads list but popo is probably Town.

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Why do you think so?

These questions are literally the worst ones you could ask...

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And also, you used the plural form of the indicative pronoun. Did you mean all of the questions I've asked up to this point, or you made a grammatical mistake and meant just the one you quoted?

I mean you look like a basic bro with all these surface level questions.

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I've gotten townreads on you and Mohab, i'd say that's far from fencesitting.

Ah I missed this sorry.

I think the scum are near the bottom of the activity list. We kicked up a bit of dust today. If I were scum I’d be sitting back and letting it hide me.

You're welcome.

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Don’t have strong reads yet, but gut says Mohab for posturing all the time. Sakura Hana’s "low hanging fruit" shit also came out of nowhere. And i could see it as scum trying to look good by TR a popular scumread at the time.

And i could see it as scum trying to look good by TR a popular scumread at the time.

TR a popular scumread at the time.

HA! See Quick!, he IS LHF.

Why do you just believe Norwegian is the bigger question here...

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i have a horrible time following through on pushing a person forever when i say "never moving my vote"

For sure, which is why you lost in LyLo when I was Scum. I think I was lynched in LyLo but then my teammates brought it home. I am horrible at Scum tbh. I just win more games as Scum because of my strategy as playing Scum and not because I don't get lynched.

You never answered who your TR was on. Was it me?

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He said he TR Mohab.

I should be fire's #1 TR... Now I'm jelly.

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i have a horrible time following through on pushing a person forever when i say "never moving my vote"

For sure, which is why you lost in LyLo when I was Scum. I think I was lynched in LyLo but then my teammates brought it home. I am horrible at Scum tbh. I just win more games as Scum because of my strategy as playing Scum and not because I don't get lynched.

You never answered who your TR was on. Was it me?

Wait so, you're horrible at scum, but at the same time, you win more games as scum because of your strategy at scum

Yes.

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@Firebringer - Couldn't hyper voting also be scum trying to get a mislynch?

it would have to be newb scum or scum who isn't thinking about how their actions will get their attention. Ur going to have to argue that scum!mohab is not trying to hide his pursuit of just mislynching anyone.

They could just be totally non-serious as Scum, but it takes a read on the player to make that read so I think I agree with your reasoning for now.

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I can be on board with Firebringer as town leader.

VOTE: Blurryface3189

All you've done all game is sheep... were you planning on developing you OWN reads at any point in the game?

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I can be on board with Firebringer as town leader.

VOTE: Blurryface3189

All you've done all game is sheep... were you planning on developing you OWN reads at any point in the game?

Not true at all. Town reading me, Fire, you, Fred, Sakura, pop, and norway, those are hardly all sheep reads.

So... everyone who is active... Okay, well there is probably at least one Scum in the active players.

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If Fire has more posts than me this game I will consider it a success for myself.

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u measure success weirdly

That is because I am a special snowflake. Fite me.

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Out of the active posters, I would say both FB and NPOM have the best shot at being Scum.

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why me? besides the fact i am scum

Well, that obviously means we are town.

Double reaction all the way....

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come on quick, its way too early to get into paranoid thoughts and one track mind. I believe in u

How about I track you N1, how does that sound?

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come on quick, its way too early to get into paranoid thoughts and one track mind. I believe in u

How about I track you N1, how does that sound?

okay, do it. i am going to kill porkens tonight. sakura is safe from me

Joke is on you; I am actually Jester.

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@Firebringer - Couldn't hyper voting also be scum trying to get a mislynch?

it would have to be newb scum or scum who isn't thinking about how their actions will get their attention. Ur going to have to argue that scum!mohab is not trying to hide his pursuit of just mislynching anyone.

Or maybe scum!mohab knows that if he hyper votes people will get town reads on him. That's just more WIFOM.

Not everything in a game of mafia is WIFOM.

QFT

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Is everything a scumread to you?

Fair point.

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Smug mode, activated.

A new avatar is like a haircut after 3 months.

P.S. I haven't cut my hair in like 3 years.

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lol u trying to be smug. this is going to be good *grabs popcorn*

But r u town tho?

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lol u trying to be smug. this is going to be good *grabs popcorn*

But r u town tho?

i am nothing but an honest man.

You didn't answer my question.. Such Scum!

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U trigger me Drew-Sta.

Stop being a spoiled little brat.

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U trigger me Drew-Sta.

Stop being a spoiled little brat.

Never.

Ur a str8 white male! Get 'em!

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I'll do whatever Fire does.

VOTE: Persivul

This makes me want you to eat lunch.

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excuse u, u know i am the most honest person in this game.

The lie detector determined

that

was a lie!

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U trigger me Drew-Sta.

You don't even have a townread Drew?

I’m not going to lie. I haven’t done more than a cursory read through on the phone. No real feel and no real inconsistency.

Re town reads - I’ve mentioned this before in other games. I get really bad confbias. I don’t try to town read. If I do, I find it hard to consider their future behaviour in a critical light. I also generally go after people and the same happens.

It’s something I’m working on.

That’s a long answer to basically say ‘Not yet, and I’m trying not to laser on someone D1.’

lets kill the king.

if i kill the king, i become next in line for the throne. even though im not his son.

captain firebringer, the prince of town. Sounds good to me
VOTE: Persivul

I thought we were out of RVS?

This is an odd thing to do given the stage of game.

FB is not my president.

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FB is not my president.

I am the prince!

And u need to bow and kiss my ring.

Now vote Persivul you PEASANT

Don't make me post gratuitous imagest itt...

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i touch everything!

FB is Joe Biden confirmed.

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i touch everything!

FB is Joe Biden confirmed.

then u should be sheeping ur ex vice president.

Joe Biden is not my president.

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not everything in the last 13 pages is shit. Maybe you should re-read. I have 2 reads from it. You having nothing just tells me ur not thinking.

You would say that, Joe Biden.

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If you don't spew pages of shit... can you even say you're playing mafia?

Like I said, P9 needs to be destroyed.

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sakura, quick, mohab.

3 townreads. Where my scum at?

Your stalker, obviously.

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good. i need scum allies within my new order. want to sheep me on the king?

Spoiler: Dr. Dre's dead, he's locked in my basement

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quick tip for all those posting images/videos. before u do. Check the preview button out. It will let u know if it will have an error when u post it.

I have both eye's on you now.

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quick tip for all those posting images/videos. before u do. Check the preview button out. It will let u know if it will have an error when u post it.

I have both eye's on you now.

i have both my eyes on ur sister

I think you have brain damage.

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im pretty sure scum me could dance around all but 2 players here.

So you admit you are Scum then?

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i tell u i am an honest man

Okay, you are lying tho...

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when have i lied?

That's pretty much what liars say is, "where did I lie?" Unless you are too honest to be trusted. Are you?

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just for personal research, what would a truth teller say instead?

"I'm telling the truth!"

GLHF

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Ok I like that explanation you can be town too.

Since when does FB explain stuff? Not sure that is enough for a TR tbh...

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Ok I like that explanation you can be town too.

Since when does FB explain stuff? Not sure that is enough for a TR tbh...

It looks genuine and legit.

So for basically no reason. I see.

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Not enough info itt for a reads list but popo is probably Town.

Why do you think so?

Why do you think so?

These questions are literally the worst ones you could ask...

Why are they the worst ones I could ask?

And also, you used the plural form of the indicative pronoun. Did you mean all of the questions I've asked up to this point, or you made a grammatical mistake and meant just the one you quoted?

And also, you used the plural form of the indicative pronoun. Did you mean all of the questions I've asked up to this point, or you made a grammatical mistake and meant just the one you quoted?

I mean you look like a basic bro with all these surface level questions.

And also, you used the plural form of the indicative pronoun. Did you mean all of the questions I've asked up to this point, or you made a grammatical mistake and meant just the one you quoted?

I mean you look like a basic bro with all these surface level questions.

So, you aren't going to answer the question?

Are you going to answer the question?

Let me give you some motivation.

VOTE: Quick

Sure, repeat your groundbreaking questions and I will an4.

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Oh, I just understood what you meant. The question is:

Why do you think popopopopopopo is town?

The way he is interacting with people tells me he is probably Town. No guarantees, but by the method I developed, he's the strongest TR by that standard. But sometimes I have "conflicting" reads based on different ways of reading people. Still, by BOTH he looks to be Town. Already talked about the other reason, that being his vote on NPOM.

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Btw Quick when did u go from believing NPOM's claim to scumreading them?

Not sure. good question.

So for basically no reason. I see.

WHy is everything ur posting i see have a tone of hostility and abrasiveness attached to it

It's not. It's all in ur head.

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K maybe i jumped the gun townreading you and i retract it.

Let's talk about that process? For me, the only thing saving NPOM rn is their claim.

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K maybe i jumped the gun townreading you and i retract it.

Let's talk about that process? For me, the only thing saving NPOM rn is their claim.

So? A person is either town or scum.
If there's scum motive behind their actions then they are scum regardless of what they claimed.
If what they claimed and how is towny then there's no scum motive behind their actions.

What is the Scum motive for claiming VT? After ~reasons~ which I won't mention?

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It's not. It's all in ur head.

this is def not true btw

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Out of the active posters, I would say both FB and NPOM have the best shot at being Scum.

I'll do whatever Fire does.

VOTE: Persivul

This makes me want you to eat lunch.

When you had previously said:

I take back my TR on you. I can see what you are saying, but that's not the impression I get from NPOM's play here. He either genuinely doesn't want a NK on him (which I have been guilty of before, honestly) or he is makes a WEIRD ASS PLAY here as Scum.

For now, I believe his claim.

Of course I don't want to be killed how am I supposed to help the town win?

That's the thing... You are low key saying, "No need to kill me because I am VT, look elsewhere" and that implies you think you are good at this game and can solve without being a PR.

Which looks like you forgot you had a townread on your slot, specially considering i called the slot LHF/Lynchbait and you fought me on it.

oops, I forgot my read on someone as Scum. I am probably borderline at this point.

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oops, I forgot my read on someone as Scum. I am probably borderline at this point.

What is this supposed to mean.

It means I have more in my head then forgetting what my reads are.

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Oh, I just understood what you meant. The question is:

Why do you think popopopopopopo is town?

The way he is interacting with people tells me he is probably Town. No guarantees, but by the method I developed, he's the strongest TR by that standard. But sometimes I have "conflicting" reads based on different ways of reading people. Still, by BOTH he looks to be Town. Already talked about the other reason, that being his vote on NPOM.

How does popopopopopopo's vote on NoPowerOverMe make popopopopopopo "looks to be town."

By the way, I don't remember reading any reason for your belief that popopopopopopo is town.

Read my ISO. It might be long by the time the game is over, just FYI. Just saying if people want to play 20 questions, I am going to have a long ISO. Currently I am overgammed, but I don't mind. I can play the game without reading every word and do just fine.

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Oh, I just understood what you meant. The question is:

Why do you think popopopopopopo is town?

The way he is interacting with people tells me he is probably Town. No guarantees, but by the method I developed, he's the strongest TR by that standard. But sometimes I have "conflicting" reads based on different ways of reading people. Still, by BOTH he looks to be Town. Already talked about the other reason, that being his vote on NPOM.

How does popopopopopopo's vote on NoPowerOverMe make popopopopopopo "looks to be town."

By the way, I don't remember reading any reason for your belief that popopopopopopo is town.

How does popopopopopopo's vote on NoPowerOverMe make popopopopopopo "looks to be town"?

IDK. Go check my ISO to find out.

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I like popo's vote on NPOM based on what I know of them as a player and the fact that NPOM DOES actually have some Scum equity IIRC.

If you do not remember why popopopopopopo's vote on NoPowerOverMe makes popopopopopopo "looks to be town," there is no reason and as far as I am concerned, it does not.

Ah, good. You found my reason. Thanks.

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oops, I forgot my read on someone as Scum. I am probably borderline at this point.

What is this supposed to mean.

It means I have more in my head then forgetting what my reads are.

I...
Still dont understan what you meant to say here.

Shh... Go to sleep little lamb.

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VOTE: Quick
k

I pitty the foo.

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k

Are you feeling okay? You seem stressed. How about a nice hot bath?

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BTW...

FB is just Scum here for thinking I was riled up. Because he tried to instill that in me so he could use it later.

Okay, GLHF

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k

Are you feeling okay? You seem stressed. How about a nice hot bath?

No and No.

k

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quick tip for all those posting images/videos. before u do. Check the preview button out. It will let u know if it will have an error when u post it.

I have both eye's on you now.

i have both my eyes on ur sister

Okay, here's my proof...

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that was a joke dude

Oh, good1. I am laughing....

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so u were abrasive and hostile for that joke?

I'm not interested in this rn... Just die because you are Scum...

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so u were abrasive and hostile for that joke?

I'm not interested in this rn... Just die because you are Scum...

dude if ur mad about something just come out and say "hey firebringer i don't like that post and it makes me mad." u firing back with the whole "well i think ur brain dead" was weird and i thought it was just bad banter.

You're the guy saying I am mad. I am not saying I am mad. I am not mad. I just think you are Scum.

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I like popo's vote on NPOM based on what I know of them as a player and the fact that NPOM DOES actually have some Scum equity IIRC.

If you do not remember why popopopopopopo's vote on NoPowerOverMe makes popopopopopopo "looks to be town," there is no reason and as far as I am concerned, it does not.

Ah, good. You found my reason. Thanks.

I do not understand that post (post 155).

It would be rather hard for me to unpack it all and I don't really want to.

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Let's take this step by step then.

First, what is IIRC?

If I read/remember correctly.

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What did you read/remember that leads you to the conclusion that NoPowerOverMe has some scum equity?

Just in general. I really don't get any of his plays here if he is Scum. One thing in particular, but I have to clarify this saying IDK what order this was, but his reaction to getting "hammered" seemed like something I didn't buy. But he basically had the same sort of attitude on all of his other posts, which I didn't like.

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What did you read/remember that leads you to the conclusion that NoPowerOverMe has some scum equity?

Just in general. I really don't get any of his plays here if he is

Scum

TOWN. One thing in particular, but I have to clarify this saying IDK what order this was, but his reaction to getting "hammered" seemed like something I didn't buy. But he basically had the same sort of attitude on all of his other posts, which I didn't like.

EBWOP

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I think we have a personality conflict, you should stop attacking people you "don't like" if you're actually town.

Could be.

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Must....stay....with...Firebringer...

(deep sigh)

never mind. Persivul is the correct vote.

I don't really get this. This sort of just comes out of the blue. Don't really see any reason to post this at all.

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Quick

They latch onto firebringer starting from 535 and scumread them but I don't think it continues beyond 3-4 posts

False. I still SR FB even after sleeping on it. I feel like there is something in the back of my brain saying any time FB explains stuff it means he is Scum.

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I don't understand why quick will not answer a simple question like this.

Because

they are simple.

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@quick, why are you not on the fire wagon then?

Good question... Because I haven't voted yet. That is why.

VOTE: Firebringer

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So what i get from this is that Cooldog thinks it's odd for Norwegian to scumread firebringer for not townreading me?
When norwegian scumreads firebringer for townreading me?

I personally hate using this kind of logic. Doesn't mean it doesn't work, I just hate that kind of logic.

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So norweigan votes for a guy who agrees with his town read and is on the same wagon with someone he scum reads.

I probably messed this up in previous posts.

Yeah, IMO, Town doesn't really give a damn what other people's reads are more often than not. They are acting as single agents so they really have no reason to "trust" or "distrust" other peoples reads. It's why I said I hate this kind of logic.

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Some thoughts...

CooLDoG seems to NOT be Scumhunting.
The other guy asking a lot of questions DOES seem to be Scumhunting.

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Some thoughts...

CooLDoG seems to NOT be Scumhunting.
The other guy asking a lot of questions DOES seem to be Scumhunting.

Who is this "other guy"? And what part of corndog's posts indicate lack of scum hunting to you? (Wanna hear your POV.)

Beethoven guy.

corndog (lol) seemed to be completely lack of asking questions. That would be the association between them. One is asking a LOT of questions and the other is pretty sparse with that.

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man where is his majesty?

Yeah, I was half excited to play with him again.
Speaking of where people are, is it just me or NPOM's activity seems to have diminished when the pressure on him faded.

He is probably all like, "WTH, why are there so many pages? Do I really want to play this?" If he's Town here.

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I see some factions are already in effect, but there is clearly no consensus and many people aren't voting yet

Why is this?

Probably because it's D1 and there are 8 days left in the phase...

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Alright. It's Monday morning, I don't have meetings for two hours, and I have coffee.

We're at 32 pages. My reading from 23 to 32 showed Cooldog come into the scene. I think the thing he stated about meta just makes my heart sing so happy about that. Nevertheless there's a few things I am keen to go back and read through so in the process of going 1-32 now.

I will be more active from here on in.

This is scum.

VOTE: drewsta

Solid gold lock

Solid gold is actually quite malleable.

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Okay, I looked for what I looked for. Don't feel like doing math now so reads tomorrow.

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VOTE: Quick

Prove me wrong

How about you prove your theory right?

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I will have to read that 1v1 better, so far i only have isoed my lynchpool. I need to draw a better player profile of quick to see if he would be the type to be emotionally involved in his reads

I don't like any of his takes though, and my opinion is that most if not all of them are a fight against gamestate progression rather than helping it

Like, making bullshit claims, restarting shitposts, not believing easy claims ... All of this seems to be smoke in the town's eyes.

Okay.. So you don't like my play.. Whatever. I'll just say it generated a LOT of discussion. As far as voting for me, so far you haven't come up with anything AI for why you are voting me. That makes me sad.

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Spoiler: Wall

It's a big fat wall. Trump wishes he could build what I built.

Spoiler:

If someone does something scummy on the first page, it's still scummy. Wanting to lynch a claimed jester because we may not find other scum is scummy. Why not just find scum?

I agree with this.

That's such a weird way of looking at it: I am proposing we lynch him in case we have no other reads, I'd rather mislynch a Jester than deal with a headache claiming to be a Jester the entire game, especially if we have no better leads. But I am not adverse to lynching someone else if we have to, I guess.

It's also instaloss coz no one would lynch the Jester and the Jester wouldnt lynch scum.

I disagree jester is still town

Lynching negative utility is low-hanging fruit in my opinion

They are a voting member of the town.

I know it's early but entertaining the Jester discussion is bizarre. 87 is the most strange I've seen in a while too.

Norwegian, thoughts on this Jester talk? What do you think should be done if there is a Jester?

I think jester talk is fine because it can be used to see who's got a scummy mindset or not. But i'm pretty sure it's just a fake claim so i don't personally care much about it. I don't believe this game actually has a jester.

How..? It's the definition of WIFOM.

I am Town reading quick.

I am scum reading Mohab. Scummy is as scummy does.

The views without justification get my attention here.

I claim vanilla town let's get on with Mohab.

This is oddball. VI or something...

Because there are other fish to fry.

And this is actually very silly.

Also I doubt any scum would've fallen for that, specially if at least one of their teammates is paying attention.

Speculating on scum's reaction to a reaction test is WIFOM.

What does it matter anyway? You're giving scum the opportunity to hide from you by describing how they would or wouldn't act? Or you're explaining away what is scum behaviour vs town behaviour? This comment is fishy.

NPOM looks like LHF to me right now.

Why?

If you believe his claim why does that not qualify as LHF for you.

Lynching a claimed townie is not LHF. It's easy NK, but not LHF.

There's WIFOM on what happens if he survives to D2 as well. Maybe then they become LHF, but not D1.

From my PoV, he does look scummy in a town way, that makes people just want to lynch him, but he's not even trying to accomplish any goal, and seems to believe he's found scum in Mohab and isnt convincing anyone either, plus it's weird to claim VT right then and there if he was scum, which makes him look like LHF for me. Because people want to lynch him for it.

You can't look scummy in a town way. You're either town acting suspiciously or not. Secondly, your emphasis on him being LHF is odd. Why are you guarding him?

My hot take is that Sakura, despite being second highest in activity, has not scumhunted at all.

I agree.

Oh hey, that's 2 soft shades already, any more takers?

You're very defensive at the slightest attention on you.

My hot take is that Sakura, despite being second highest in activity, has not scumhunted at all.

How very observant of you.

This is the sort of thing I consider for SvS, FTR.

Why?

This:

Wifom much?

There's WIFOM and there's things that make no sense.
So either I'm scum imitating my town game of townhunting over scumhunting, or I'm town.
No matter how much you ask me to hunt for scum in the "normal" way, That's not how I like to play, if you think that's scummy of me then sure go ahead and lynch me, that wont change how I play because I dont have fun playing that way.

... contradicts this:

Cool

Scumminess noted.

So I ask you, if I were scum why wouldnt I at least pretend to scumhunt?

Can I ask why?

And as a bonus, everything i've said about my meta and my personality is something you can research yourself, this isnt the first time I've been pushed for "not scumhunting" and i bet it wont be the last.

You seem to be doing a very hard job of townreading yourself for others sake. The continued push for people to meta you:

And as a bonus, everything i've said about my meta and my personality is something you can research yourself, this isnt the first time I've been pushed for "not scumhunting" and i bet it wont be the last.

... feels like 'Look! Look at it all! I'm town gais - I promise'. Then you turn around and do this:

You also said this based off a reply norwegian did to a post Quick made towards me:

Deflection. (Partner?)

Partner here seems to imply you think im scum and norwegian is my partner.
Am i wrong in that assumption?

... which is scum hunting.

Past few pages have been lots of bickering between NPOM and Sakura, with firebringer and Fredrick finally joining in. firebringer throws (personal) shade at Porkens and wants us to figure out who's the one person he's townreading, while Fredrick just has a lot of inquisitive questions regarding everyone else's reads (but hasn't actually posted any of his?).

Regarding NPOM and Sakura, the chatter was mostly useless, but I did get a strong feeling it was either TvT or SvT, I think a scum-coordinated argument like that would look a lot more doctored/polished if you get me? Not much else to point out regarding those two, will look in more specifics later and try to give a better read.

Fredrick and firebringers action strike some mild scum vibes here. Regarding Fredrick, their curious nature kind of invites me to think they're scum who wants people to feel they're participating without actually doing anything. firebringer's first few posts and shading at Porkens might just be scum wanting to mislynch with an excuse, though I would probably have to look at the meta's of the players to make more accurate reads, I think.

Tell me why a scum argument would be more coordinated or polished if they don't have daytalk (normal doesn't have DT)... This is a fishy statement to make. It's like... fake scum hunting.

Ok I'll let that go by if you promise to play the game normally with everyone else and just ignore Porkens. It'll be impossible to read you otherwise.

This is a strange interaction.

vote:porkens

sakura's point about shading without voting or even FOS is good, and firebringer is probably town.

I consider this sheeping and without good cause. Sits you in a healthy place for the wagon too.

vote:porkens

sakura's point about shading without voting or even FOS is good, and firebringer is probably town.

Why is her point about shading good?

shading people without calling them scummy or voting them does nothing except increase distrust between the town members. the fact that you even said "i never called you scum" after the shading is also very bad.

... that's, not what he did? I don't even think Porkens threw shade..? He critically analysed two posts that didn't fit together, and then laughed at it after, and then you come in a chainsaw? The claim Porkens made about them being active lurking is true - they are / were. Sakura having to refer to her meta as some sort of justification for her behavior wasn't actually answering the question but deflecting the issue.

Besides, there's nothing wrong with listening to others opinions.

Well, there is. We just haven't seen whether you're doing it for the right or wrong reason yet. It's an ambiguous decision making process which allows you an easy out.

vote:porkens

sakura's point about shading without voting or even FOS is good, and firebringer is probably town.

Why is her point about shading good?

shading people without calling them scummy or voting them does nothing except increase distrust between the town members. the fact that you even said "i never called you scum" after the shading is also very bad.

I don’t buy this. My “very observant” post about Sakura was scum hunting, and it led to useful discussion Through which we could develop our reads. I factually stated that I did not call her scum. That has no bearing on whether I think she or her actions are scummy. I’m not casting about trying to make people look scummy. I am asking direct questions and stating my thoughts in an effort to further the game state.

Your argument seems disingenuous to me.

Agree, it appeared to be a chainsaw.

why me? besides the fact i am scum

Well, that obviously means we are town.

Double reaction all the way....

Yeah, I saw that too. I can't make up my mind on NPOM.

This game does have way too many inactive players right now.

@Drew-Sta
@CooLDoG
@Blurryface3189
@Persivul

So, Looking at the mod's confirmation post, there's 1 player that hasn't confirmed yet.
Persivul is V/LA according to his profile so that could easily be the cause of him not posting. (Although an ego search turns out he's at least posting on his other games, V/LA supposed to end today so I hope we hear from him)
CD hasn't been on site for 2 days, could be the person that hasnt confirmed.
Looking at Blurry's site activity seems to be someone that posts once every blue moon.
Same with Drew.

Looks like we just got some people that just arent active in general. I don't think we can discern alignment from activity alone.

These two posts in tandem appear to be attempts to get attention off currently posting players and into the dark. Which is moving from difficult to lynch players and on to unable to be defended targets.

The decision to move there when neither of these players have formed strong scum reads they've advertised, plus the fact that they seem unwilling to push a wagon, suggests they're more comfortable with moving something on a player that is not posting, as they will struggle to defend themselves and if lynched, it is easy to absolve responsibility of their actions.

But why post once and then not post for several days? You are just asking to be scumread.

You sheep and then scum read but not really form any argument for it. It's proving difficult to defend your actions.

Nor pokes me at 416, then Sakura takes up the lead in 436 and Nor doesn't prod me again. This seems odd. Especially since both were the ones pushing for non-posters as possible suspects. The fact they didn't acknowledge each others posts on that either, plus what I've just said, appears to be distancing.

450 and 452 Nor reengages but doesn't push me at all. Sakura then drops off at 470.

So they either town read me now or don't care about the non-posters? I'm not following the behaviour at all.

i have legitimate strong townread on sakura now.

I'm curious when and why did u get this strong townread of me, I thought you'd have been able to get this way earlier than when you expressed it, but only now u get a legitimate one.

its the fact that i don't think ur trying to manipulate me in anyway. i think and this is just a theory (and u might try it next time ur scum) u would more or less use me as a foundation to get ur placeholder/foot in the game by locking me in for ur read and then maneuver from there. I think ur playing this without that when the easy option of manipulating me exists and I think even if ur going for a more serious game u would still try to manipulate me in some way.

So i wanted to make sure i didn't see u trying to get me to really townlock u.

This gets my attention from both.

Explaining what would 'allow you to be captured' by someone else via meta and then manipulated, is like... some weird buddying or something. I feel like Sakura's 'not going after someone' here if they have decent understanding of their gameplay to me matches with the whole 'look at my meta, I only town hunt' schtick.

To me it's SvT interaction and I'm leaning to Sakura being scum at this point.

They're very intent on knowing where people sit with them, and then get defensive when people push at them.

K maybe i jumped the gun townreading you and i retract it.

Let's talk about that process? For me, the only thing saving NPOM rn is their claim.

So? A person is either town or scum.
If there's scum motive behind their actions then they are scum regardless of what they claimed.
If what they claimed and how is towny then there's no scum motive behind their actions.

That's WIFOM. Of course intent is important. They're either lying or not. The trick is working out which.

What is the Scum motive for claiming VT? After ~reasons~ which I won't mention?

I think this is a little naive, or defending something that can't be defended e.g. I don't think you can defend a VT claim this early in the game. It's either a tactic or the play of a VI. I think this is one of the few times meta helps - is NPOW a VI? Their previous games can be indicative of this.

Out of the active posters, I would say both FB and NPOM have the best shot at being Scum.

I'll do whatever Fire does.

VOTE: Persivul

This makes me want you to eat lunch.

When you had previously said:

I take back my TR on you. I can see what you are saying, but that's not the impression I get from NPOM's play here. He either genuinely doesn't want a NK on him (which I have been guilty of before, honestly) or he is makes a WEIRD ASS PLAY here as Scum.

For now, I believe his claim.

Of course I don't want to be killed how am I supposed to help the town win?

That's the thing... You are low key saying, "No need to kill me because I am VT, look elsewhere" and that implies you think you are good at this game and can solve without being a PR.

Which looks like you forgot you had a townread on your slot, specially considering i called the slot LHF/Lynchbait and you fought me on it.

Gee, this appears to be scumhunting. But I thought you didn't do that...

...
You guys have collectively spewed 13 odd pages of shit. Suggesting I can get an accurate read in all that mess is optimistic at the least.
...

Considering recent events, one man's shit is another man's treasure.

You can fish through my shit all day long mate.

Scumreading a townplayer(Quick)

You seem so, so certain...

For clarity: How do you know Quick is a townplayer?

He seems engaged and trying to gamesolve.

And I just checked. He never even voted for Quick.

Quick could be scum...something’s making me hesitate though so it’s not strong

To me that's a scumread without saying it's a scumread.

Yeah... no.

I'm not sure i want to trust Firebringer anymore. Because their read on Sakura makes no sense. Why are they so obvtown bruh?
VOTE: Firebringer

FB's argument was very clear, actually. Your distrust of it seems fishy. I'm not one to white knight, FB could be scum. But your argument around it seems odd.

It's like you want to get rid of them.

Also i'd like Sakura/Quick to actually explain why they tr FB, because that shit makes little sense to me right now.

quick scumreads me dude.

Not hard enough.

This appears to be a scummy, lazy tactic. You're throwing shit at someone and misrepresenting another players view to push your own.

I consider this a tell.

Also, it's a minor take considering half the game is dead. But all of the wagons seen so far have been god-awful. Can we please get a good and decent one going on FB for the sake of my sanity. Tnx.

Including your own?

I'm not sure i want to trust Firebringer anymore. Because their read on Sakura makes no sense. Why are they so obvtown bruh?
VOTE: Firebringer

its the fact that i don't think ur trying to manipulate me in anyway. i think and this is just a theory (and u might try it next time ur scum) u would more or less use me as a foundation to get ur placeholder/foot in the game by locking me in for ur read and then maneuver from there. I think ur playing this without that when the easy option of manipulating me exists and I think even if ur going for a more serious game u would still try to manipulate me in some way.

I'm considering the fact that you've TR NPOM, Quick and now Sakura. I'm not seeing how this game makes sense if all scum are in lurkers. Are you just trying to pocket most of the active players? And what's this "they would manipulate me if i was scum" BS? How do you know that would be scum!Sakura's play here?

You're too fluffy and pockety compared to our last game FB. There's a pretty big difference.

In Fungi Mafia FB was actually lightly scum hunting, also picking a couple few TR's. Not handing them out like candy. Also, even though he always jokes. It was intertwined with actual solving. Here he just doesn't seem to care. As evidenced by wagoning either for some personal BS reason that has nothing to do with the game, or encouraging a wagon a dude that hasn't even posted FFS.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11828723

doesn't seem like a lazy scum norwe push

This makes me second guess my view on norwe, but I also think it's a case of nor pushing to get something started on someone.

fungi mafia cliff notes of Norwee:
--> Sometimes gave some insight to players usually mild mannered. Usually only gave long cases for why he thought a player was town.
--> Doesn't try to take control of game or lead. Perfectly willing to take a back seat.
--> Passiveness

Ur scumcase on me doesn't match this.

Yeah, im comfortable with u in my townreads.

Disagree. This isn't what they're doing here IMHO.

Number 1 and 2 don't correlate with their existing behaviour in this game. I checked fungi, they were town. So what are you actually trying to say here?!

I'll come back to 622.

Also i'd like Sakura/Quick to actually explain why they tr FB, because that shit makes little sense to me right now.

Firebringer is an old friend and knows all my weaknesses and It hasnt felt like he's trying to exploit them, a scum!FB would have

probably

TR me much earlier considering I got into the game from the get go and would've been pretty easy to call me TR due to meta and I would be none the wiser. His explanation on his TR of me matches his play around me and so I figured he's probably town.

You're too fluffy and pockety compared to our last game FB. There's a pretty big difference.

Our last game he was pretty obsessed with me, but, I feel he was MORE fluffy on fungi mafia.

Basically my feeling also comes from the fact that Firebringer is a pretty strong player, he is perfectly capable of playing normally,

but where's the fun in that

, and getting himself townread in the process. Considering he's just being fluffy he's just having fun, and being in an environment of people that arent very familiar with him

to my knowledge

he'd have a much easier time just playing normally and getting townread as scum, than whatever he's doing right now, it feels kind of anti-scum, if you know what i mean.

There's a non zero chance he's playing this way in order to pocket specific people

including me

, and you're free to point and laugh at me if he flips scum, but at this point I don't think he's doing anything to advance any specific agenda.

That's buddying to get them in your pocket.

Oh and talking reads, I do agree that now this is more similar to the town norwegian than the scum norwegian i've seen. So norwegian can go into the town bin too.

You and Nor sit at opposite ends of the spectrum on FB, which IMHO is of interest given the links I've drawn to you both.

I don’t think FB flipping scum would equate Sakura scum based on FB’s play around the slot.

And that right there is an interesting post. Basically absolving Sakura from being mafia if FB flips scum. Why would you do that? How do you have any certainty that is the case?! It's a post of certainty, and I cannot understand how you can be so certain about them.

651/post], [post]653, 660, 664, 666, 683 I'll come back to later as there's a lot to analyse in there for me.

Porkens vote in 696 is odd.

Drew has been lacking too. He came, he left. And everyone forgot im.

Now you touch on me again. And not in the 'sexy Norwegian chick' kind of way.

You seem to like to shift focus at times when focus is on you.

More votes on the pig please.

Why?

Scumreading a townplayer(Quick)

For clarity: How do you know Quick is a townplayer?

He seems engaged and trying to gamesolve.

And I just checked. He never even voted for Quick.

Quick could be scum...something’s making me hesitate though so it’s not strong

To me that's a scumread without saying it's a scumread.

So, NoPowerOverMe, you want(ed) more votes on Porkens because he is/was scumreading Quick, whom you assert is a town player. Is that an accurate representation of your thoughts?

This is accurate, but I think you're floating up the wrong shit show mate.

Porkens appears to be trying to trap people but not sure if that's scum hunting or trying to get townies lynched by their own rope.

Tl:dr - I think Nor, Sakura appear to be scum at this point. I think we need to wait for Farken and Pers to contribute before we can proceed much further.

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

Pages 28-32 are odd and I need to go review again. CoolDog's entrance changed the games dynamic a bit. I have to sift through what they've posted better as my initial thoughts are it didn't read right in placed and also read very well in others.

You didn't even talk about Norwegian in this "wall" and it's not even like you are making a case or anything. -100 Town points.

[Quick]

Hi quick, what's your up to date opinion on popopo and drewsta?

I never gave a read on Drew before, but I def do NOT like what I am seeing. popo needs to post more, read pending.

[Quick]

VOTE: Drew-sta
Does anyone townread him?

I can do this too.

VOTE: Drew

[Quick]

You didn't even talk about Norwegian in this "wall"

He did, Frederick even made a cut version that only showed his talk about Norwegian.

You mean like this:

Spoiler: Wall

...

Tl:dr - I think Nor, Sakura appear to be scum at this point. I think we need to wait for Farken and Pers to contribute before we can proceed much further.

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

Pages 28-32 are odd and I need to go review again. CoolDog's entrance changed the games dynamic a bit. I have to sift through what they've posted better as my initial thoughts are it didn't read right in placed and also read very well in others.

You didn't even talk about Norwegian in this "wall" and it's not even like you are making a case or anything. -100 Town points.

[Quick]

That’s a complete misrep. Go back and reread it, because I’ve quoted and discussed Nor at least a half dozen times.

yeah, maybe you want to talk about AI stuff instead of whatever this is about Norwegian cuz he's Town. laziness isn't a Scum tell,"Basically absolving Sakura from being mafia if FB flips scum. Why would you do that?" why NOT do that? Seems pretty Townie to point that out actually because I actually think the exact same thing irt what Norwegian is saying about Sakura/Fire. In fact, that last thing is probably one of the Towniest things said itt and you are SRing them for it???

[Quick]

I may let him live for today.

The game does not revolve around you and your stupid pet theories.

[Quick]

ok i just sat down wiht a big tub of hagen daz and reread the thing
im gonna post some reads


Quick - town
NorwegianboyEE - town
corndog- town

frederik - i hated a lot of the questions he was asking early, seemed like he wasn't going anywhere. but

u could always ask me questions

That's true. Unfortunately, I have no idea what I could possibly ask that will help me determine your alignment.

at least u didn't ask me if i was town. I would have had to say no, otherwise my honesty streak ends.

Since you've been claiming to be scum, I'll just treat you as such.

VOTE: Firebringer

L-3

this post right here was my exact reaction to firebringer claiming scum last game, so i have no choice but to TR.
farkran - i disagree with his readlist. out of CD and farkran definitely the poorer catchup.
NoPowerOverMe - null. i cant tell the difference between noob and scum will have to attempt another time.
Sakura Hana - null, play is very different from the widely townread play i know from luna fox town, cant get a handle on this
Persivul - ???? where is this dude
Porkens - null- his shading was scummy. i dont care if he tries to explain it after the fact or whatever, it was scummy behaviour. his one sentence posts are kinda unreadable, and he makes a lot of grand statements with little evidence backing them up, which is maybe NAI. there are bigger scumreads for me now, i also think the last post he made was actually quite good.

Mohab500 - scummy whole lotta nothing early, i dont like the constant faking of L-1,L-2 as if its gonna catch anyone out, felt almost like scum looking busy, or PR baiting. made one reads post that wasn't AWFUL, tho some of the reads made no sense (drew the main one), hasn't done any scumhunting before or since that readpost. she straight coasted before the big reads post, and has continued to coast afterwards with no content.
like here's mohabs reason for scumreading firebringer

I don't really like this slot, it feels like they're just distracting everyone from gamesolving rather than trying to gamesolve themselves. Their wagon attempts don't make much sense if at all. They seem like they're trying to buddy all the active players as someone else said. I think there is a probable scum here.

HOW IS THAT NOT JUST LIKE WHAT YOU YOURSELF HAD BEEN DOING UP TO THAT POINT. FUCKING AROUND, BANTERING, CERTAINLY NOT SCUMHUNTING. i think hypocrisy is a strong scumtell.

Did you kids just spend several pages arguing with Sakura regarding their self-meta defense, right after saying that meta doesn't matter and that reading through meta is not alignment indicative since everybody does it?

I just read the last 8 or so pages and my brain completely died. So can someone actually summarize the whole Drew-Sta VS Norwegian or Sakura or CoolDoG or whatever is going on here? What's with the wagon on Porkens, can I find actual reasons here?

You're all fucking weird.

porkens post on scum not enjoying reading the game is very relevant here.
Drew-Sta - scum

I don’t like random voting. Just not my schtick.

its always fun when you catch someone in a bold faced lie
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11762230
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 3#p6046883
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 0#p6037760
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 3#p5855613
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 9#p5955059
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 0#p5941620

it seems in other games that you DO like random voting, and it IS in fact your shtick. so whats the deal?

Answer me this - why the scrutiny on me, and will you do the same to the other late posters?

this attitude creeps up a lot in drew-sta's posts. "why focus on me for lurking, its not fair, others are lurking just as much". that is a scum mentality. lurking town at least understand when they are singled out. and chainsaw is a meaningless buzzword 90% of the time, but especially so WHEN WE DONT HAVE ANY GODDAMN FLIPS TO WORK OFF.

vote:drewsta

That pending read is not pending so much anymore. Like what I am seeing here.

[Quick]

Drewsta should claim now

You can't be serious...

[Quick]

You idiots haven't even formed a decent argument...

Pot meets kettle.

[Quick]

UNVOTE:

[Quick]

Actually?

VOTE: Farkran

[Quick]

Actually?

VOTE: Farkran

This is a good vote.

Spoiler: Follow me

[Quick]

Firebringer, sakura, norwegian...WTF, get lives. 43 pages over a weekend is ridiculous. It's going to take me awhile to catch up on this.

Town.

[Quick]

You idiots haven't even formed a decent argument...

Pot meets kettle.

UNVOTE:

Actually?

VOTE: Farkran

This makes no sense.

Why Farkran over me? Why the immediate switch?

You idiots haven't even formed a decent argument...

Pot meets kettle.

Mafia called. They want you back as MVP.

[Quick]

I didn't read anything, and as far as I was concerned I townread drew, but let's get this party rolling baby!

VOTE: drew

L-1

We're going head first into a mislynch and I sure like it. Let me read drew wagon, if he doesn't get hammered by then and I am not convinced, I'll remove my vote. Just claim first is all please.

I feel you dog.

Here's the skinny for all you people who are not quite as sharp as others...

Drew came in acting Scummy on purpose to see who would take. Then he posts a wall which was garbage. But he knew it was garbage, that was the plan. Then he actually starts playing and he gets put at L-1, which is kinda insane IMO.

[Quick]

Woo hoo baby! I am at L-3 BTW, two more votes and I am claiming.

If you say so...

[Quick]

Don’t worry too much loan. Here, let’s just take a step back to where we were

VOTE: unvote
VOTE: drew

Thanks for not reading and acting like you have a mental handicap.

[Quick]

Not quoting that ^

[Quick]

I feel like we've got a good townblock but the Drew wagon is scummy.

Do you plan on Scum hunting at any point, or naw?

[Quick]

Cool.

Do this first because I have no idea how to read that slot atm.

[Quick]

Reads:

FB, Drew
popo, CD, Fred, Porkins
Sakura
Perv, Norwegian >Null
Mohab, NPOM
Fark

[Quick]

Reads:

FB, Drew
popo, CD, Fred, Porkins
Sakura
Perv, Norwegian >Null
Mohab, NPOM
Fark

wtf how did i become town

Don't worry, I would still lynch you for info in a heartbeat.

[Quick]

real talk, fredrick u might never want to be in a life or death situation because it sounds like u would freeze and be unable to react. Which usually isn't good.

At the end of one's life is death. Not too much of a problem to me.

That will change when you are 80 yo...

[Quick]

I'll be online in exactly 1 hour (0545 GMT) for questioning.

real talk, fredrick u might never want to be in a life or death situation because it sounds like u would freeze and be unable to react. Which usually isn't good.

I also agree with this. Bad reaction is bad.

I also agree with you. The important part is do you think a player with bad reaction is town or scum?

Let's lynch FB and find out. I can clear like 4 people based on him flipping Scum. It's a good trade if I don't say so myself.

[Quick]

@quick, who can you clear, now and why? What the hell dude? That's coming out of nowhere.

Based on my notes...

I can clear...

Spoiler:

Sakura, Norwegian, Fred, Drew

[Quick]

why though

Because of the way firebringer has interacted with those people such that it is not SvS. Also, I have multiple of these interactions for each person. 3 is the minimum IIRC.

[Quick]

And I'm never giving you the post numbers so don't ask for that.

[Quick]

I'm pretty certain than almost all of Sakura, FB, CoolDog and Drew are town. I think we should townblock.

Stop being useless, thanks.

[Quick]

I suggest that we consolidate our votes onto something, please.

There are 51 pages, we are doing just fine. Everyone is participating except Perv and I can read the game without him. I plan on solving this game by D3.

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Dudes, we have 6 days. We are on page 50. The current record for normals is 205 pages. Which we are on pace to beat. WE get on the high scores list at 167. For meta reasons I want to be on the record list twice instead of just once, because my terrible shortest game is slipping.

OMG, can't stop laughing.

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I feel like we've got a good townblock but the Drew wagon is scummy.

Who's the town bloc?

Too early to say...

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@MOD

, Can we get a VC?

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BTW, I informed mod that I was VLA for 5.22 - 5.25 but it didn't get into the notes.

@mod, please confirm this in thread.

Someone already said you were V/LA during this time. Any idea who that might be or how they might know?

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Someone already said you were V/LA during this time. Any idea who that might be or how they might know?

I announced in another game and had my VLA banner up, so it wasn't secret knowledge. I would guess [redacted due to ongoing game restrictions].

Fair enough. That's not really the type of stuff I like to push anyways because it's almost always wrong.

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How exactly do you squeeze a TR out of Fark here?

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At this point im not sure if Drew-sta is misrepresenting things on purpose or just flat out stubborn, which actually means i made a mistake in my previous assesment of what made me townread him.

Yeah, you might want to look at how Drew entered the thread to see how he would play as a whole. I get no Scum vibes from him - his narrative has been pretty damn consistent all things considered. He is WAY down the list of people who I would like to see pressure on rn.

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CD also made the same mistake, but after I told him, he re-read that part and noticed the mistake. Drew-sta, hasn't actually tried to fix his mistake on that matter, and Nor's attempts at clarification are viewed as an "odd timing". Idk something feels like he's just looking for reasons to scumread Norway than scumhunting him.

Sure, but tell me how you expect Drew to play based on how they have played so far? Do you expect Drew to come in late to the thread, make a huge wall, play around a bit more, then make a case on someone if he is Scum here?

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Your argument is essentially: "He wrotes long posts therefore he can’t be scum." Even though his logic in most of his posts have been proven folly or are very weak.

That is a gross simplification of what I am saying here because there is that dicking around pre and post his big wall, which I admit (and so does he) that it is trash. It was just a catch up post and he shouldn't be read based on that alone. Besides, his bad catch up actually tells us that his case isn't going to be much better, hence, consistent narrative, hence, he is Town until proven otherwise. I wouldn't mind a cop on him if he is still a wagon close to EoD but I don't think we should really be looking to lynch a slot like that D1 when there are far more egregious players out there like NPOM.

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So how about... better? Like show he actually has a logical and towny mindset, a townset if you will, and not just making up shit and blatantly ignoring truth to push his narrative?

And what about his play suggests that he can actually have a "logical and towny mindset" to you? Or are you just using his less than superb catch up/case to say he is Scummy when he actually has quite a bit of Town equity? More than you I would say at least.

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So a consistently bad player is town in your eyes?
A consistently scummy player is town because they are "consistently" shit?
Can’t believe what i’m reading from you.

How about you stop trying to simplify what I am saying because it will only get you in trouble with me? How does that sound?

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The Strawman is real with Norwegian. Damn, maybe you are Scum...

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It was just a catch up post

What.

You are acting like I am speaking another language. Do you understand the idea of a catch up post or not? It's kinda like a formality that is sometimes done to get your feet wet before you take a dive. Is this a foreign concept to you or what? Maybe it's because you can hardly bother yourself to quote people let alone actually dissect things post by post.

What part of "Town until proven otherwise" don't you get here? Pressure for pressure's sake is a dumb ass fucking way to play...

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Where did i strawman? What did i read wrong?

What part of "Town until proven otherwise" don't you get here?

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You were saying that you admit his catch up was bad and tradh, and now you’re doing some 9000 iq play where he is not scum for it because... reasons?

His interactions are good and he shows a lot of controversy in his reads. I wouldn't be playing like that if I was Scum and I was him. If I was him and I was Scum I would try and sluff off and make Town eat themselves alive. But no. He actually gives a damn about trying to play the game. That might not be AI but I don't actually get the SRs on him. Like I said, I'll say it again I am sure -- His narrative is consistent. THAT is how you read a player like that. If their narrative changes, THEN you have every opportunity to case the living fuck out of him. But until his content drops to unthinkable levels of mindlessness, he's in the clear for being Town.

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I could see the quick scum and drew scum. But, the fact that you think quick is scum both ways should make you vote quick, right?

You know, that’s a really good idea.
VOTE: Quick

Good luck with that. You can't even understand my damn points, how the hell are you going to run me up other than manipulating idiotic Town and opportunistic Scum?

I'll tell you what my aim is - nail at least one Scum D1. IDK about you, but that is the level I play at...

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Why are you his lawyer?

Because the case against him is fucking retarded.

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p-edit: Quick, can you also explain the porkens case to me?

There is no case on Pokins. People just don't like him. You can praise FB for that brilliant idea.

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Why are you his lawyer?

Because the case against him is fucking retarded.

Lemme ask you this. Are his posts excusably bad or do they add value from a town perspective?

They add value. I don't think his content is awful. It was just his catch up. I am waiting to see what he does because if he is the kind of player I think he is, he could very well be a great asset to Town. Despite his less than stellar case on Norwegian, Norwegian's reaction to it sucks balls and is little more than an OMGUS because he wants to be popular.

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p-edit: Quick, can you also explain the porkens case to me?

There is no case on Pokins. People just don't like him. You can praise FB for that brilliant idea.

But that's, like, not true though.

Okay..

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God, I think Nor is right about quick. Goddamn it.

VOTE: quick

I didn't think you could read me so well based on gut. I tried...

/s

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Why are you his lawyer?

Because the case against him is fucking retarded.

Lemme ask you this. Are his posts excusably bad or do they add value from a town perspective?

They add value. I don't think his content is awful. It was just his catch up. I am waiting to see what he does because if he is the kind of player I think he is, he could very well be a great asset to Town. Despite his less than stellar case on Norwegian, Norwegian's reaction to it sucks balls and is little more than an OMGUS because he wants to be popular.

There’s no need to be such a dick just because i call you out for being a tryhard.

I have not even made a case yet.

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There is no case on Pokins. People just don't like him. You can praise FB for that brilliant idea.

Yeah, I already saw that. More disturbing IMO is nopower sheeping fire. Any thoughts on nopower, particularly the relationship with fire?

Not a fucking clue, but it probably has something to do with NPOM's main and the fact that [Redacted] if NPOM is Scum here.

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Drewsta should claim now

I this the reason for the vote, quick?

Yes.

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Keys unlock locks

VOTE: unvote

VOTE: norweeganbouee

This is a pretty bad vote tbh.

@quick, then why don't you talk about him for pages after the vote?

Porky can take care of himself.

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@quick, then why don't you talk about him for pages after the vote?

Oh.. for Fark. Because they haven't engaged me/they are no where to be found when I am itt.

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^but then why is he voting for drew and nor?

Because he is weird. And I wouldn't consider that AI.

He's sitting at about as close to dead Null as a player can manage I would say. I slight TR him based on how he is interacting with people, but beyond that, not a whole lot to read on him as far as play is concerned.

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I guess the quick case is that he doesn't scum hunt and defends other players too often.

@quick, then why don't you talk about him for pages after the vote?

Oh.. for Fark. Because they haven't engaged me/they are no where to be found when I am itt.

Yeah, but they still make posts right. Has nothing new scummy cam up for you?

They are ditching the pressure until Sakura randomly removes their vote. That's the play I am thinking if they are Scum here.

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I still don't get why you aren't engaging with the people you vote for, defend others and then make weak attacks on players that you back up from.

I generally wait till people try and defend themselves and then I go for the kill.

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I still don't get why you aren't engaging with the people you vote for, defend others and then make weak attacks on players that you back up from.

I generally wait till people try and defend themselves and then I go for the kill.

But, why are you defending other people then? Aren't you subtly removing the possibility for them to defend themselves by alleviating pressure?

I have good TRs early game and good SRs late game. Just defending my TRs because I think they are legit.

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In other news, CD is basically just skating by, not really doing much. Asking easy questions and generally not giving a fuck. Would like to see some effort from that slot but it's D1 so I probably shouldn't expect much from them since they probably think D1 is useless. It's a terrible way to play, but what can you do?

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In other other news, I have over 10,000 posts on this forum now, I think.

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Make that 15,000 I guess...

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Make that 15,000 I guess...

What do you think of mohab?

Forgettable.

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Hello. Nice to meet you all. I am jester this game. Thanks for playing.

Less than one page in and we've already arrived here. I say we lynch this if we can't find anyone else to lynch today. And if there is a scum-read, I guess.

Okay, you can be my first TR. Thanks.

Then I'll keep you around then, lynch you at the end of the game too, I guess.

I guess they can die...

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Quick really has a surface level playstyle, but it's town

Nopower is town for the claim

You don't say...

Perhaps you should read my take on that?

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The timing and nature of that claim is suicidal as scum. You don't lock yourself in a VT claim to move out from rvs unless you are town

Thanks, you didn't answer my question.

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I already provided a read on you, and on the subject of our discussion, which is all the answers you should be interested in

Making snarky comments to the purpose of appearing better than other players is pointless, i don't care about fueling your ego and i'm not interested in lynching you today so either wagon me or move on

Well, see... I want to let you in on a little secret. You ready?

I actually SR you

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So, I went ahead and checked the ISO of Drew-Sta in an attempt to understand the wagon. I think I feel a little more comfortable reading the wagon now.
It feels like their play is still fairly defensive more than anything else. I don't really see much focus on solving or even reading beyond that, most of it is just defense which is what's starting to irk me. They had one consistent read on Nor but that don't really emphasize any other reads or anything beyond that. I thought earlier the defensiveness could come from town seeing as it's more consistent/natural in their play, but at the same time, the lack of scumhunting or reading isn't good at all, so I am starting to get scum vibes a little from them. Furthermore, their points are sometimes nonsensical.

And that right there is an interesting post. Basically absolving Sakura from being mafia if FB flips scum. Why would you do that? How do you have any certainty that is the case?! It's a post of certainty, and I cannot understand how you can be so certain about them.

Quote's messed up but anyways, there is no certainty in the original post: it's just a player giving their thoughts. Drew's insistence on this read is quite frank on its own, but misrepresentation and forced scumreads from them kind of sour the whole thing.

I can be slightly more comfortable with this lynch, I guess, since I understand its basis. I still think there are other slots to look at (hello NPOM!), but I guess if town really wants this lynch, they can have it? I am not really adverse to it anymore.

Defensiveness is NAI.

Come on players, you can do better than this...

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Hmm. I can relate to that. After worktime i can take a better look at quick to see if i am wrong, meanwhile let's get a wagon going on

VOTE: drewsta

Anyone has an opinion to share on this newly born wagon?

Just BWing and throwing votes around for really no reason at all.

Do you plan on updating that read on me, or are you going to continue to SR me for SRing you?

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Hmm. I can relate to that. After worktime i can take a better look at quick to see if i am wrong, meanwhile let's get a wagon going on

VOTE: drewsta

Anyone has an opinion to share on this newly born wagon?

Just BWing and throwing votes around for really no reason at all.

Do you plan on updating that read on me, or are you going to continue to SR me for SRing you?

Did you misquote?

No, I didn't.

Do you have a response or would you rather keep your status as "cool kid"?

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Because i mean if you were talking to me, it's been a while since i'm not scumreading you and i have been saying it at least three times in my most recent posts, so i don't really understand your last comment

Let me refresh your memory..

You were voting for me. Then in the span of 5 hours, you ISO'd me and decided I was Town. Was there any reason for the Drew vote? It seemed like you sheeped me, but that about all the reason I can see for the vote. If not, why vote there? Just for happy, happy, joy, joys? It makes your play look opportunistic. I thought we were playing Mafia not, "Let me see how charismatic I can be." Do you have a reason for why you about faced me so quickly and immediately went from Scum reading me to sheeping me? What about my ISO did you like? Did you think there was a chance I would get a wagon on me at some point? Is that maybe why you voted me saying you SR me? Or maybe it was never your intention to actually stay on me? If so, then the progression from Scum>Town looks unnatural. So are you just jumping on anything and everything to see what wagon sticks and you never have to rightly explain your reads because you are charming? Tell me. I am listening.

P-Edit: read above and let me know if you still stick with that read.

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I guess, just at about or slightly lower than the level for Drew-Sta.

Might I know how you determine such things?

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My first impression scumread was based on you being fighting against the gamestate, and i stand up to that, but after ISOing and seeing how you react to things in real time i think it's part of your player profile as town. I don't fancy your playstyle, but i can relate to that because i am also a high ego player. I decided that this kind of play is more likely to come from town with a player profile like you have, and i've been pretty straightforward about it whereas you were still thinking i was scumreading you - you are an impulsive tunneler, which is why you should take a break and reassess. You can take this advice or keep thinking that you are the only one doing good and everyone else is crap - one path will make you feel satisfied postgame, the other will make you just feel bad. Your choice.

As for drewsta, i have talked a lot about him as well. His post are defensive in nature, there's no solve attempts, overall the content/posts ratio is low especially in the early part of his ISO. After he has been wagoned up, he started to dish out more, but the posting quality is still lackluster which suggests that he is struggling to make credible reads. I want a claim because drewsta is a slot that i don't want to sort later, locking himself into a position that may be verified over night is how we progress in terms of information as town - if the claim is unsatisfactory, it's also a good lynch for today.

I am also willing to switch to firebringer, as long as we can form some consensus before we get to 24 hours to deadline and scum is allowed to lolvote anything because "it was eod".

Nope. I am totally calculated, actually.

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VOTE: Drew

Why?

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VOTE: Drew

Why?

My read on Farkran changed.

But not your read on Drew? Why not? What is still Scummy about Drew? Is this just to push a wagon? I am pretty sure there's not much to be gained from your vote there...

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Very, very happy with my vote.

Do you think scumquick does all this for towndrew?

Yeah, I think he is potentially picking town lynches to defend, while sneakily putting his vote on Farkin and not continuing to actually build a case on him.

Do you have any cases you want to make?

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The main reason im not voting Drew right now it's coz I got a gut scumread on Fark and the way he joined the Drew wagon and has stayed there doesnt look like busing.

Is this suddenly not true?

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The main reason im not voting Drew right now it's coz I got a gut scumread on Fark and the way he joined the Drew wagon and has stayed there doesnt look like busing.

Is this suddenly not true?

Are you incapable of remembering what I told you a couple posts ago:

VOTE: Drew

Why?

My read on Farkran changed.

So what changed your read on Fark? Because I am not seeing them say much that would push me to TRing them. I still think it's Scummy they voted me because I stir the pot...

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So what changed your read on Fark?

Their engagement with you.

Why? Giving a TR on someone who Town when you are Scum is very easy to do. The other angle is that they hoped on me thinking due to my contrarian style that a wagon would generate on me. Do you think that is Town indicative?

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So what changed your read on Fark?

Their engagement with you.

Why? Giving a TR on someone who Town when you are Scum is very easy to do. The other angle is that they hoped on me thinking due to my contrarian style that a wagon would generate on me. Do you think that is Town indicative?

Well no, but I don't think that's what he's doing.

Do you have an alternative?

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He's reading players based on what they are posting like a normal person?

Then what about his vote on Drew has you thinking that that was a Town motivated play?

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Well it has nothing to do with his vote on Drew. But I also scumread Drew so I dont think his vote is in the wrong place to begin with.
As I said before, his engagement with you is what made me change that read.

Please... Use articulate language...

We've been over this... Their engagement with me can be easily faked as Scum so it is not a good reason to TR them. You originally voted them because you didn't like their vote on Drew. When I bring this up again, you say it doesn't matter anymore? Why not? What am I missing? What's the piece that you are not telling me?

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Of the people town hunting instead of playing good mafia, why do you actually town read mohab?

I'm shook. I literally cannot think of a single reason to TR Mohab.

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Sheep CD to victory!

VOTE: Mohab