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[NoPowerOverMe]

It would have been nice to get a game start pm.

Vote: NorwegianboyEE

Because I don't like RVS.

[NoPowerOverMe]

It's not L-2. L-2 would be 5 votes.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Vote: Mohab500

[NoPowerOverMe]

Thanks for being so townie.

[NoPowerOverMe]

If someone does something scummy on the first page, it's still scummy. Wanting to lynch a claimed jester because we may not find other scum is scummy. Why not just find scum?

[NoPowerOverMe]

We have 10 days. We should have reads.

[NoPowerOverMe]

A jester is still town. I strongly disagree with you and think that it's scummy.

[NoPowerOverMe]

From the wiki, non-normal roles:
Roles which are explicitly Non-Normal include:
Non-Sane Cop, Blank Vig, Non-Sane or Quack Doctor, Janitor, Survivor, Lyncher, Cultist,

]Jester

, Mafia Mason, Bus Driver, Lightning Rod, Nexus, Redirector, Framer, Vanillaizer, Beloved Princess, Arsonist, Governor, Godfather

Why are you lying QuicK?

[NoPowerOverMe]

yes, let's lynch Mohab.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Sorry accidentally logged in as my alt.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Quick already said he was lying

[NoPowerOverMe]

And a non-normal roll cannot be in a normal game by definition

[NoPowerOverMe]

I wasn't aware of that rule my bad

[NoPowerOverMe]

I am Town reading quick.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I am scum reading Mohab. Scummy is as scummy does.

[NoPowerOverMe]

That's a pretty scummy assumption .

[NoPowerOverMe]

I disagree jester is still town

[NoPowerOverMe]

Lynching negative utility is low-hanging fruit in my opinion

[NoPowerOverMe]

If someone does something scummy on the first page, it's still scummy. Wanting to lynch a claimed jester because we may not find other scum is scummy. Why not just find scum?

Are you defending blurryface or the jesterclaim?

Actually I was attacking Mohab

Ok so were you chainsawing for blurryface or the jesterclaim? https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... aw_Defense

I like this post. It's NAI or anything, but I like it.

I wasn't chainsawing anything I was commenting on Mohab exclusively

[NoPowerOverMe]

They are a voting member of the town.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I mean I get that they are third-party but there's no benefit in lynching them over scum

[NoPowerOverMe]

I am scum reading Mohab. Scummy is as scummy does.

That's a pretty scummy assumption .

Why is it scummy to make that assumption?

Because Town should always want to lunch scumover a jester in my opinion

[NoPowerOverMe]

We can't talk about ongoing games even vague comments.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'd rather lunch scum than jester. Final point.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I claim vanilla town let's get on with Mohab.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Because there are other fish to fry.

[NoPowerOverMe]

No I can help us win

[NoPowerOverMe]

You're down one town thank you

[NoPowerOverMe]

Counting is overrated

[NoPowerOverMe]

Anyways I'm working out the moment driving

[NoPowerOverMe]

How do I have some equity

[NoPowerOverMe]

Scum

[NoPowerOverMe]

Lhf equals low-hanging fruit

[NoPowerOverMe]

Of course I don't want to be killed how am I supposed to help the town win?

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm not saying I am the best but I think I can be pro town.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Mohabs quasi hammer was scummy and his jester position was scummy.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Scenes from a doordash

[NoPowerOverMe]

Mohabs quasi hammer was scummy and his jester position was scummy.

Do you think Mohab was fake reaction testing?

Possibly

[NoPowerOverMe]

That's because quick keeps on discussing ongoing games

[NoPowerOverMe]

The only game I've been in his ongoing unless he is talking about my alt which I don't think he is

[NoPowerOverMe]

Any other hot takes?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Doordash #2

[NoPowerOverMe]

I think man pigs are kind of cute.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Quite defensive, still not scumhunting.

I'm not gonna play how you want me to.

Scum hunting should be optional?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Cool

Scumminess noted.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Wifom much?

[NoPowerOverMe]

I wouldn't say those are the only two options

[NoPowerOverMe]

If you know that you not scum hunting is in NAI then maybe it is scummy.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Ok.

vote Sakura

[NoPowerOverMe]

This is just straight up bad wifom.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Where you said there was only two options of your play style

[NoPowerOverMe]

It's not for no reason wifom is generally scummy

[NoPowerOverMe]

How about townhunting and scumhunting at the same time?

[NoPowerOverMe]

That hasn't happened?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Seems like fence sitting to me

[NoPowerOverMe]

Who are the three scummiest players, regardless of if you think they are scum or not.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Town should not be afraid to make enemies and it sounds like you're afraid to make enemies.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I've only been in one other game that is ongoing

[NoPowerOverMe]

It's pretty hard to do both WIFOM and OMGUS in the first 24 hours of a game....

[NoPowerOverMe]

I can hop on board with a FOS of Porkens.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'll consider Sakura town for now. Still scum reading Mohab.

VOTE: Porkens

[NoPowerOverMe]

@Firebringer - Couldn't hyper voting also be scum trying to get a mislynch?

[NoPowerOverMe]

@Firebringer - Couldn't hyper voting also be scum trying to get a mislynch?

it would have to be newb scum or scum who isn't thinking about how their actions will get their attention. Ur going to have to argue that scum!mohab is not trying to hide his pursuit of just mislynching anyone.

Or maybe scum!mohab knows that if he hyper votes people will get town reads on him. That's just more WIFOM.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I like that he is reckless. I don't like that he's done some dumb things like saying 2 votes is L-2 and his vote on me. He doesn't appear to be game solving imho.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I can be on board with Firebringer as town leader.

VOTE: Blurryface3189

[NoPowerOverMe]

I can be on board with Firebringer as town leader.

VOTE: Blurryface3189

All you've done all game is sheep... were you planning on developing you OWN reads at any point in the game?

Not true at all. Town reading me, Fire, you, Fred, Sakura, pop, and norway, those are hardly all sheep reads.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Besides, there's nothing wrong with listening to others opinions.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I can be on board with Firebringer as town leader.

VOTE: Blurryface3189

All you've done all game is sheep... were you planning on developing you OWN reads at any point in the game?

Not true at all. Town reading me, Fire, you, Fred, Sakura, pop, and norway, those are hardly all sheep reads.

So... everyone who is active... Okay, well there is probably at least one Scum in the active players.

Maybe. Who is it?

[NoPowerOverMe]

I can be on board with Firebringer as town leader.

VOTE: Blurryface3189

All you've done all game is sheep... were you planning on developing you OWN reads at any point in the game?

Not true at all. Town reading me, Fire, you, Fred, Sakura, pop, and norway, those are hardly all sheep reads.

hmmmmm why is norwee and fred town?

They're active and I haven't seen anything inherently scummy. Why are they scum?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Well, that obviously means we are town.

[NoPowerOverMe]

But why post once and then not post for several days? You are just asking to be scumread.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'll do whatever Fire does.

VOTE: Persivul

[NoPowerOverMe]

That's a very good policy, actually.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I think we have a personality conflict, you should stop attacking people you "don't like" if you're actually town.

[NoPowerOverMe]

More votes on the pig please.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Must....stay....with...Firebringer...

(deep sigh)

never mind. Persivul is the correct vote.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Scumreading a townplayer(Quick)

[NoPowerOverMe]

never mind. Persivul is the correct vote.

Why is a dude that's never posted ever the "correct vote"?

Because Firebringer says it must be so.

[NoPowerOverMe]

For clarity: How do you know Quick is a townplayer?

He seems engaged and trying to gamesolve.

And I just checked. He never even voted for Quick.

Quick could be scum...something’s making me hesitate though so it’s not strong

To me that's a scumread without saying it's a scumread.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I said nevermind.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I am strongly against the Firebringer wagon, for the record.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Anyone who hammers will be on the top of my scum list, especially assuming a town flip.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I townread FB because he's genuine and without a filter.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm scumreading the pig anyways.

VOTE: Porkens

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm glad we can add drew to the townblock now.

[NoPowerOverMe]

You have to press reply after the Q+.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Ugh my phone keeps on logging in as my old alt.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I also agree on shading without voting.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Who's screaming town?

[NoPowerOverMe]

I agree on Sakura, not on Mohab.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Sakura is a duh read though that any scum could have.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Becuase you're also assuming that I brought my meta to be townread, when my intention was to tell people that me not scumhunting is NAI for me.

Don't you think that town SHOULD scumhunt though? And if so why don't you want to help town? Is it lack of confidence?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Self meta'ing is somewhat scummy to me tbh.

[NoPowerOverMe]

In a 1v1 of pig v. drew, I would pick drew as town and pork as scum.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Alt again sorry

[NoPowerOverMe]

Because the porkins wagon at least has decent reasoning and the Drew wagon has none

[NoPowerOverMe]

I am against drew claiming.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Scum reading farkran

[NoPowerOverMe]

I like you too hug.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I...guess....so.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I feel like we've got a good townblock but the Drew wagon is scummy.

[NoPowerOverMe]

If I have time to analyze the scummy wagons(me and drew) I bet we can find scum.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Yes but we don't want to out our power roles

[NoPowerOverMe]

Fire want to switch to Norway?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Any thoughts on pork and Norway as scumbuddies?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Mohab post seems fake

[NoPowerOverMe]

Scum blowup at Mohab?

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm entertaining a Pork/Norway/Mohab scumteam right now.

[NoPowerOverMe]

UNVOTE:
Those emotions dont sound fake to me.

I think you're being naive.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I feel like we've got a good townblock but the Drew wagon is scummy.

Do you plan on Scum hunting at any point, or naw?

I have a good guess as to who the scum are.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm pretty certain than almost all of Sakura, FB, CoolDog and Drew are town. I think we should townblock.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm pretty certain than almost all of Sakura, FB, CoolDog and Drew are town. I think we should townblock.

Stop being useless, thanks.

Stop namecalling, thanks.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Eh, I don't agree but I'm fine with adding Nor for the time being.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Yeah, since Drew is town.

[NoPowerOverMe]

We could actually lynch scum.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Maybe if we sing karyoke Mohab will start playing like town.

It must have been hard there in my shadow,
to never have sunlight on your face.
You were content to let me shine, that's your way,
you always walked a step behind...

[NoPowerOverMe]

I would townread it if there was a reason for it.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Hey it's not my fault FB is obvtown.

[NoPowerOverMe]

stop scumreading townies.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Lynching town is ok as long as it moves the game?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Why the hurry?

[NoPowerOverMe]

That's not consistent with my role pm.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Cool mohab is scum then.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I call a Porkens/mohab scum team.

[NoPowerOverMe]

We can not go wrong with either lynch.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Yep, Porkens is also scummy. i don't think the Mohab wagon needs me. Also FB and I vote as a team.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Yep, Porkens is also scummy. i don't think the Mohab wagon needs me. Also FB and I vote as a team.

If I am vig, I am killing FB.

If I am doctor, I am protecting FB. So it would be pointless.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Can doctors protect themselves?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Bummer.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Anyways, personal thoughts are that NPOM is basically taking the lazy route. They have like, two people they strongly believe to be town and is following their every move for no particular or obvious reason. All their posts are short, one liner kind of stuff that doesn't really add much in the game in terms of solving, or at all. I've had a pretty hefty scumread on them for a while but I didn't really find any proper time to post my thoughts because I was focused on catching up with everyone else.

This is a flat out lie. I had a post a couple of pages ago where I had strong town reads of at least 5 people.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm pretty certain than almost all of Sakura, FB, CoolDog and Drew are town. I think we should townblock.

Here's the post, if anyone cares.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I am down to hammer if you are Fire.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm a poker player and I am kind of a you have to play the cards you're dealt with kind of guy. I'd rather lynch anti-town mohab than a less active player at this point. I think there's a strong chance of a scum flip based on their alignment with porkens.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I never said I was going to hammer, just that I am willing.

[NoPowerOverMe]

It's not contradictory. There's something to be said for waiting for a claim, like said above.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Scummier than who?

[NoPowerOverMe]

I wasn't being serious any more than you were being serious, and you know it.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Porkens going after drew is EXTREMELY self preserving.

[NoPowerOverMe]

What level is drew at?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Shouldn't we get a claim?

[NoPowerOverMe]

I will vote if you want but I think we should get a claim.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I think town is more powerful in numbers.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Too many chiefs, not enough indians is a thing, especially early in the game.

[NoPowerOverMe]

VOTE: Drew-Sta

[NoPowerOverMe]

VOTE: porkens

[NoPowerOverMe]

Apologies don't bring drew back.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Of course it doesn't surprise you

[NoPowerOverMe]

To take 6 to Lynch so shouldn't that be level four

[NoPowerOverMe]

So I take it you're days of agreeing with porkens are over.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I hope I get a little bit more equity today.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Cd is generally considered a strong player no?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Doesn't lynching the pig first and Mohab second tell us more about Mohab then lynching Mohab first tells us about porkens.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Mohab is the obv Lynch and probably what scum wants.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Keeping Mohab alive gives us more associatives.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Corkins Lodge isn't going to change his play at all. Will have is more likely to give opinions and wagon flip.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Porkens sorry voice posting.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Mohab not will.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Moab will give more opinions and wagon hop more. Porkens will do and say nothing.

[NoPowerOverMe]

We'll see.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Probably do the opposite but at least they tell us something

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm not saying we don't Lynch mohab d3

[NoPowerOverMe]

Wifom info is still info

[NoPowerOverMe]

1 he's scum 2 less likely to slip or tell than Mohab.

[NoPowerOverMe]

He's not going to give us anything.

[NoPowerOverMe]

A) he had the most to gain from the drew lynch B) He and Mohab have strong associatives d1, and have been suspiciously silent day 3) The mohab hammer was scummy.

[NoPowerOverMe]

That's convincing.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Because you avoided a lynch.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Vote Count 1.08

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to lynch.

Drew-Sta (4):

NorwegianboyEE, Farkran, popopopopopopo, Porkens,

Porkens (3):

Firebringer, NoPowerOverMe, Fredrick A Campbell,

NorwegianboyEE (2):

Drew-Sta, Mohab500,

Farkran (2):

Quick, Sakura Hana,

Quick (1):

CooLDoG.

Fredrick A Campbell (0):

CooLDoG (0):

Persivul (0):

Firebringer (0):

Sakura Hana (0):

NoPowerOverMe (0):

Mohab500 (0):

popopopopopopo (0):

Not Voting

(1): Persivul,

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Spoiler: Votes since last votecount not reflected above

Mohab500 (0):

CooLDoG.

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-06-01 21:30:00).

Mod notes:

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[NoPowerOverMe]

Your point? You still had a lot of suspicion yesterday and had the most to game from the drew lynch.

[NoPowerOverMe]

A) It was only day 1 and I didn't really have any evidence at that time. B) I didn't think a drew wagon could be stopped C) I didn't think mohab would hammer, at least not without a claim. D) I trusted firebringer at the time.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Both her and Porkens are scum anyways, keeping Mohab alive until d3 is the best strategic move.

[NoPowerOverMe]

It's not awful. What's the difference if both are scum?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Except that Mohab is more likely to slip/give info?

[NoPowerOverMe]

I never changed my read. Mohab was always scum. I was just advancing the game. And I did. Mohab's hammer confirmed her as scum.

[NoPowerOverMe]

ha.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Keep on twisting my words around. I never said Mohab is lynchbait, as in not scummy. I said scum want her to be lynched for some reason.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'll say it loud and clear. MOHAB...AND...PORKENS...ARE...BOTH...EQUALLY...VERY...SCUMMY.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I do not townread Mohab in any way.

[NoPowerOverMe]

That's because I'm not in favor of a quick lynch and I think Porkens is the better lynch.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm just wondering if the 3rd scum is on the Mohab wagon right now.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Scum want a quick lynch.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Yeah, you actually have to think about the game beyond the surface level.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Vote for your scum buddy Porkens.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Give us your thoughts on your wagon.

[NoPowerOverMe]

The third scum is gonna be the tough part.

[NoPowerOverMe]

See, it would have been so much better to lynch Porkens.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Okay, so game over?

[NoPowerOverMe]

@Mod can we have quick nights?

[NoPowerOverMe]

Rules: Claiming scum - by yourself is fine. Claiming scum with another player is against the rules.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Since Mohab never objected to scum!porkens and porkens never objected to scum!mohab I'd say it's pretty likely.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I still wish we didn't hammer mohab tho.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Fred could be fakeclaiming but that would be extremely unlikely, he would just be up next.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Townblocking is a pretty quick way to win a game imho.

[NoPowerOverMe]

As long as you can figure out who the fake townies are.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I mean games in general but this game ofc.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Not to spoil your party but you did leave the porkens wagon yesterday for drew. I only went with you for the sake of our alliance.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I don't disagree that the end result is what matters.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I think he was just being defensive.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Day 1 is prone to bad wagons and that one was obvious to me.

[NoPowerOverMe]

/vote quick night