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[Titus]

ABR, imo, is actually the type to sub out when not getting his way or losing. It's all about ego with him. That's why we don't play together anymore. I loved this list but refused to play with him.

Anyway, let's get started. Shall we?

[Titus]

ABR, imo, is actually the type to sub out when not getting his way or losing. It's all about ego with him. That's why we don't play together anymore. I loved this list but refused to play with him.

Anyway, let's get started. Shall we?

Are you going to do a read through or wing it?

Wing it. As always.

[Titus]

ABR, imo, is actually the type to sub out when not getting his way or losing. It's all about ego with him. That's why we don't play together anymore. I loved this list but refused to play with him.

Anyway, let's get started. Shall we?

Are you going to do a read through or wing it?

Wing it. As always.

*shrug*
Your funeral.

If I have a funeral, it's because I subbed into an anti-town slot and lack an obvtown gene.

[Titus]

What is your plan when I flip town?

To carry on playing and apologize for being wrong.

To say that I'm being in any way toxic is quite a stretch. I'm sorry that you don't like the way that your actions and how you are acting in-game is being described, but I'm not being toxic. If you don't like the perception that you're giving off, maybe you should think about how you are acting.

Lol, scum.

Nah, not based on that anyway.

[Titus]

What is your plan when I flip town?

To carry on playing and apologize for being wrong.

To say that I'm being in any way toxic is quite a stretch. I'm sorry that you don't like the way that your actions and how you are acting in-game is being described, but I'm not being toxic. If you don't like the perception that you're giving off, maybe you should think about how you are acting.

Lol, scum.

Nah, not based on that anyway.

Yes, based on that. It's elementary school level trashtalk, and she's been doing it for pages. She's not that petty.

Trash talk is NAI. Petty I'll give you.

[Titus]

Hey Spring, I asked for a read list from you a while back. Can I get one now?

Lean town.

[Titus]

ABR, imo, is actually the type to sub out when not getting his way or losing. It's all about ego with him. That's why we don't play together anymore. I loved this list but refused to play with him.

Anyway, let's get started. Shall we?

Are you going to do a read through or wing it?

Wing it. As always.

*shrug*
Your funeral.

If I have a funeral, it's because I subbed into an anti-town slot and lack an obvtown gene.

Pretty much.
Went from calling springs quiz list scummy and ranting. Giving mid a chain without a reason. Following reads from anyone and everyone without a reason.
Doesn't get pissy with mid for talking about giving the chain to one of his scum read. Conviently scum reads bottom 2 plays with no reasons.

Let me guess, mid was doing what he wanted. Springs list defended vocal people ABR wanted dead.

ABR is about what's easy, not what is right.

I have started my list backwards of his (assuming your list is accurate).

[Titus]

Who did mid chain?

[Titus]

Mid picked dunn i think. Mid was accused going with the concesses by picking sb, so he switched it to someone else.
Spring listed me, sb, spring, dunn and raya. Abr denied it saying he didn't want that list because if anyone was scum reading players on the list they should deny it. The biggest scum read he had on the list was Sb followed by unwnd.

I can get behind mid. I would also suspect sb or dunn as a partner.

ABR is wrong. Every quest should be approved until one fails. Then we either have scum or forgetfulness. Either we get info or quest bonuses.

[Titus]

If you want to win Town, lynch Starbuck
If your town Starbuck, scum will be spewed after your lynch.
If your scum then your buddies will be spewed.

The optimal play here is to lynch Starbuck and the game is won.

Please elaborate on both scenarios.

[Titus]

Ngl I don't really see the whole one of spring/starbuck has to be scum thing that's been going on.
Can't I just town read them both in peace?

Spring v Starbuck reads T v t

[Titus]

Pretend Farside doesn’t exist as a player in the game and is a revealed Mafia Slot after Starbuck’s Mafia Flip.

And if Starbuck is town?

[Titus]

I haven't been trash-talking, though. I've brought up legit reasons why spring's tunneling on insignificant details makes no sense and she defends herself saying that I'm using ad hom against her instead of having a conversation. Have I gotten catty, sure? But not at the level that she keeps screaming about toxicity.

Your setting up mislynches left and right.
First Cake.
Then ABR
Then Spring
Then maybe me?

Not much more left for scum to get a win eh?

I'm not setting up any mislynches. My squabble with SirCakez isn't what made him die. It takes a whole village to lynch somebody and not just me who like 1/2 the player list is seemingly reading as scum even before SirCakez died. So this is a big stretch dude.

If Starbuck is town and TSE scum, then Cake and Spring are probably town.

TSE, where is the wheel?

[Titus]

yeah, let's decide the team after handing the chain. The current team doesn't really seem appealing, and unwnd's reasoning for it is iffy.

Deny team

Hi. What do you think of me?

Approve team

[Titus]

If the result is WIFOM then to what end do the quiz people nominated matter?

Run it back with -1 Players


Fails again: We know it cant be tampered with twice therefore it has scum.
Succeeds: We get an advantage.

That's why I want to run it back when the next quiz team comes up.

I like this.

[Titus]

Ok do votes mean who we want to chain next or who we want left out? I am a bit confused.

[Titus]

Also, midway, I asked you before. What do you think of me? I am vain and want to know.

[Titus]

A vote is a literal act of passing the chain to keep someone once we get a vote count it'll be clear.

Unwnd -> Me -> Raya -> Farside -> Starbucks.

We all have the chain right now.

Thanks for clarifying.

[Titus]

I do have a TR on TSE but you're much higher on the list and I absolutely do not want Midway getting the chain and TSE is just going to immediately pass it to him.

Do you think he is trolling? I guess I'm confused why no one cares that he keeps pretending to vote midway if they think it's a reaction test. If they think it's real why he doesn't get pushed to explain his reason for his vote.
It's probably a waste waiting on NDMath. He literally has 14 post in this entire game.

VOTE: Starbuck

My issue with TSE is that he's not trolling enough. That's meta so it's weak as fuck though.

[Titus]

I do have a TR on TSE but you're much higher on the list and I absolutely do not want Midway getting the chain and TSE is just going to immediately pass it to him.

Do you think he is trolling? I guess I'm confused why no one cares that he keeps pretending to vote midway if they think it's a reaction test. If they think it's real why he doesn't get pushed to explain his reason for his vote.
It's probably a waste waiting on NDMath. He literally has 14 post in this entire game.

VOTE: Starbuck

My issue with TSE is that he's not trolling enough. That's meta so it's weak as fuck though.

Wait it goes downhill from outright pretending/actually not reading the game?

Yes. I asked TSE where the wheel was and got ignored. He joked his reads were decided by the wheel. He did get a bit tunnelly there to so the meta (if people use that) isn't rock solid. Yet he tunneled town, so I can be pretty confident in Farside and Starbuck being town.

I don't like TSE (where's the wheel) and Mid ignoring me (what's his read on me).

[Titus]

**Game reference Titus v Alisae

[Titus]

I do have a TR on TSE but you're much higher on the list and I absolutely do not want Midway getting the chain and TSE is just going to immediately pass it to him.

Do you think he is trolling? I guess I'm confused why no one cares that he keeps pretending to vote midway if they think it's a reaction test. If they think it's real why he doesn't get pushed to explain his reason for his vote.
It's probably a waste waiting on NDMath. He literally has 14 post in this entire game.

VOTE: Starbuck

My issue with TSE is that he's not trolling enough. That's meta so it's weak as fuck though.

Wait it goes downhill from outright pretending/actually not reading the game?

Yes. I asked TSE where the wheel was and got ignored. He joked his reads were decided by the wheel. He did get a bit tunnelly there to so the meta (if people use that) isn't rock solid. Yet he tunneled town, so I can be pretty confident in Farside and Starbuck being town.

I don't like TSE (where's the wheel) and Mid ignoring me (what's his read on me).

Sigh
That wheel thing was because I got Vengeful in that game.
Keep in mine your slot owner was scum reading Starbuck and I suggest you read his posts about Starbuck so you can get back on the right track.

ABR likely scumread Starbuck because she wouldn't comply with him. Referring to ABR's reads as good needs evidence beyond ABR because that makes me dislike the posting.

Midway, why haven't my posts made you reconsider? I am a completely different person than ABR. Why did it take three mentions to get you to say that?

[Titus]

A vote is a literal act of passing the chain to keep someone once we get a vote count it'll be clear.

Unwnd -> Me -> Raya -> Farside -> Starbucks.

We all have the chain right now.

That has 2 scum in it.
Farside and Starbuck.

I still think Starbuck is town, idk. Is you're reason an association with Farside or she independently scum to you?

TSE's theory requires all scum to rapidly pass to each other despite very little suspicion on each other.

[Titus]

Your town read on midway just doesnt feel genuine. You say he's locktown to you but your only reasoning is he has a good scum case on you when half the game thinks you're scum too and tone. And I completely disagree with tone anyway. His tone is not suggesting town to me.

We can rig the order where TSE and Midway are the bottom two. I volunteer to be third in that setup. I think TSE might be town just terribly wrong.

If TSE is correct, a midway flip let's the group as a whole reset.

[Titus]

I'm really torn on you TSE. I get the feeling that you're town with really bad reads but I can't possibly see how you read midway so strongly as town from a town perspective

Mindmeld. Raya goes to near locktown to me.

[Titus]

I was scum reading abr. There was some weird things he did as i said.

I have no doubt. Why don't you take a look at him again, supposing ABR subbed out because he didn't get what he wanted? His town and scumreads are based off manipulation.

He threatened me once when I was cleared by conftown because I suspected him. He picked a fight with obvtown because he could. His scumreads changed to who was most vulnerable and who stood up to him. I can get you the link if you'd like.

I'm very much a champion for the underdogs, so ABR and I buttheads so much and so hard we don't play together. He makes games toxic as his way of avoiding being lynched.

[Titus]

I was scum reading abr. There was some weird things he did as i said.

I have no doubt. Why don't you take a look at him again, supposing ABR subbed out because he didn't get what he wanted? His town and scumreads are based off manipulation.

He threatened me once when I was cleared by conftown because I suspected him. He picked a fight with obvtown because he could. His scumreads changed to who was most vulnerable and who stood up to him. I can get you the link if you'd like.

I'm very much a champion for the underdogs, so ABR and I buttheads so much and so hard we don't play together. He makes games toxic as his way of avoiding being lynched.

You mean he did all that as town? I think I've only played 1 game with him so I don't know his meta strongly

Yes. It's the game we just finished together.

He picked on one slot (I think it was named Raven) that was a counter to scum. Threatened to vig me with all his XP if we lynched him, but then claimed he would have shot Pink Ball but it was to keep me in check. He didn't like the the NK lynch because it would clear Raven.

[Titus]

Midway, why haven't my posts made you reconsider? I am a completely different person than ABR. Why did it take three mentions to get you to say that?

[Titus]

You say I have safe reads, but look at yours. The rest of your case is just tunneling and should be NAI. Like me changing my mind a lot is not scummy, and neither is me wanting to be put on the quiz team.

Why would you want to be on the quiz team as widely suspected town (which I doubt)? That sets you up to be fail bait. If there's a failure, town presupposes it's you.

Second, if there is a fail which isn't you, you would get to focus on a narrower pool of suspects which strongly should contain scum.

I see no benefit in fighting to be on a quiz team except for not being the lynch, which is inherently survivalistic and likely scummy.

[Titus]

Huh. Town want to survive too though.

Not at the expense of the town. Town don't deliberately play scummy to avoid an NK (usually). Town will die. That's a reality. Surviving solely to survive is anti-town as fuck.

[Titus]

I’m not trying to be anti town though. Raya’s case on me doesn’t really make sense, and I bet this is another case of group think where people just randomly sheep on other people without even knowing why.

Then rather than bitching and trying to seek power, tell us who is scum and why.

[Titus]

I mean to some degree I think we are going to gravitate towards the loudest bottom 2 of (TSE, You).

But I do prefer ABR/(Dunn,PB,Chess)

cause I feel like we are just letting people get away with coasting right now and I really hate it lol.

ABR is not in this game anymore.

[Titus]

unwnd, NDmath, Pink Ball, TrueSoulEnergy

Why not do a team full of people already chained? This way we can focus on the lynch rather than chain protections. I trust most everyone chained. Even if I didn't, I feel rejections are inherently proscum.

[Titus]

Lets just decide the team after we pass the chain. I’m not entirely comfortable with far side and raya.

Why wouldn't you want them to expose themselves as scum though?

[Titus]

Lets just decide the team after we pass the chain. I’m not entirely comfortable with far side and raya.

Why wouldn't you want them to expose themselves as scum though?

Only way we can expose scum is specifically by running back the old group.
Which I guess is farside and raya assuming unwnd and the 4th are town?

Then consider me down for a repeat of the first wagon.

[Titus]

Midway, you're self admitted survivalist and wish washy on reads. You say neither of those are enough to warrant a scumread on you. The question is, what would be a better standard? Who would then be scum? I don't see much solving but instead objecting to ours.

Also

*mutes TSE*

[Titus]

What happened to me being town Midway?

[Titus]

Raya is someone who I've struggled to pin down since the moment I replaced in. I think her posts are a bit more refined than your own but come from the same place. Only Raya seems smart enough to give the illusion of being helpful. She's seemed to cling onto Starbuck/Farside especially. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if it's just a situation where two scum are engaging one townie in the same way. I also wouldn't be shocked if it's just one but that's my paranoia speaking about two of them.

Yuck.

[Titus]

bruh she quoted unwnd
are you reading?

+1 and the yuck was at unwnd.

[Titus]

This game has too many people all seemingly doing their own thing and then a vocal majority figuring things out inbetween their ramblings. It's hard to read.

let's make a townblock or something

Great. If you want to do that, add onto Raya/Farside/Starbuck.

[Titus]

I think she was being sarcastic, which begs the question what her problem with my post was

I wasn't being sarcastic. Raya/Farside/Starbuck reads like an all town block scum are desperate to shade.

[Titus]

Unwnd in particular looks prime scum suspect to capitalize on wrong TSE's theories.

[Titus]

Unwnd in particular looks prime scum suspect to capitalize on wrong TSE's theories.

How many games have you played in where you scum sided as Town?

Bout the same as you. T v A called

[Titus]

@Titus
@unwnd

Look at what I posted about Farside.

Don’t you think that’s a scum slip?

No. I don't. I think you're making mountains out of molehills and unwnd just kissed your ass for doing scum's job for them.

[Titus]

what is scumsiding as town?
unwnd is town. You should reread EoD1 and look at unwnds reaction to almost dying.

Basically a town who has all their reads backwards. I call them a townbeard.

[Titus]

There is one scum between Raya/Farside/Starbuck/Spring/Dunn who were all on the quiz

You just speculated that two scum could be in R/F/Starbuck. Now, you seem certain there's only one.

There's nothing preventing scum from being in Spring/Dunn.

[Titus]

We need a quiz suggestion or a vote pass.

[Titus]

I feel pretty strongly that TSE is wrong town. His methods aren't working because the meta has shifted more towards team building, townblocking and compromise. I still tunnel from time to time, but my best games are where I am more hands off and building coalitions.

[Titus]

That being said, I am ok with a TSE lynch for the health of town. I just have no illusions as to what I was doing.

[Titus]

OK, stop. HAVE YOU READ THAT DENYING THE QUIZ TEAM IS AN AUTOMATIC ADVANTAGE FOR SCUM?

I dont give a single fuck about that! My scumhunting is so good i need a handicap!

Ok, you are scum.

we need to give the fucking team seats to the TOWNIEST players aka the least likely to be lynched. Whats so difficult to understand?

Yeah, ok, ABR needs to be lynched. He doesn't make that many mistakes as town.

1) I am not stalling the chain. I made clear I want the quiz team sorted first.
2) If my way is pro-town than you should approve of it.
3) It doesn't matter who goes on the quiz team as it serves as PoE. What isn't clear about that.

Abr, you are way less stereotypical as town.

Ok, that better be.

Vote ABR

This is 70 levels of wtf

[Titus]

My theory, shall it be accepted, is that spring is scum. ABR was loud, vocal, and wrong. Scum wanted him alive and had Spring do it because they feared that ABR would be left out due to toxicity, thus losing a townbeard.

Let's see who ABR suspected.

[Titus]

Dunnstral
Cakez
Pinkball
Raya
TSE

that was my team.
TSE is a stubborn guy but that doesn't change his role card.

This is a team I will approve.

I don't care if I have to deny 3 times, if you put forward a dealbreaker team then it's no deal and no quiz tonight.

There should be at least one scum in here, if my theory holds. My eyes jump to Dunn and SirCakez.

[Titus]

heres a good group:
Farside
Lully
Me
Cakez

Beeboy

NDMath 598

Boom.

Fos Lully and Cakez

So why the fuck should we approve a list of players we want to lynch?

So you have no other scum lead than starbuck?

Unwnd
Starbuck

My main scumreads right now.

Unwnd and Starbuck should be town.

[Titus]

Alright guys, I'm in charge of the chain now. Give me 24h to make my decision and I will pass it to the towniest players while spring lets beeboy pick a better quiz team.

This type of attitude is toxic as fuck. I can't see how Spring nominates someone in active rebellion against him as his first choice to save.

I know it's nontraditional VCA (and I had to get context) but I want Spring lynched.

[Titus]

spring thought ABR softed a PR for some reason
also, cakez flipped town.

Where did Spring indicate that?

My analysis was blind as to the flip. I think Lully and Dunn are both scum then. The last one will be harder to find but gtmh it's beeboy.

[Titus]

BEEBOY? Why?
also here

Just to be clear, I'm supposing that was a softclaim of somekind ABR.
No way out of it otherwise.

Going the opposite of ABR's reads. Beeboy could have just been hard townreading scum. His role effectively functions as a miller claim.

I'm going to ISO ABR to see if ABR did softclaim something.

[Titus]

1) I am not stalling the chain. I made clear I want the quiz team sorted first.
2) If my way is pro-town than you should approve of it.
3) It doesn't matter who goes on the quiz team as it serves as PoE. What isn't clear about that.

Abr, you are way less stereotypical as town.

Youre scum Starbuck
Youre getting lynched one way or another
If youre on the quiz team we gonna fail this fucking quiz and ill make sure of it because in return we will see your scum head roll

PASS THE CHAIN SPRING

Who is the tyrant now.

How do I put this...okay...

Starbuck is Marie Antoinette... you are like her servant that helps her put on those phat ass gowns with the feathers... and we, the people of France, are gonna divide her body in two at the neck.

We're gonna be a republic now. The era of the royalty is finished.

PASS THE CHAIN SPRING

Ok, that better be.

Vote ABR

Where the hell is a softclaim here?

[Titus]

I think it's pretty clear I revoke any hypothetical day cop on Starbuck. I also think interpreting ABR's confidence as a day cop is a stretch given ABR was that confident about everything.

[Titus]

Was there anything weird about the pass from midway to Dunn?

[Titus]

1) Albert B. Rampage
11) midwaybear
13) springlullaby

yoo I'm actually town read lets go

farside, unwnd, tse, starbuck all give me doubts. And then I can't give it to PB or Cakez who I think are town(mostly Cakez). NDMath has posted way too little, and not that much substance. I can see myself giving it to Dunn or beeboy then. I like Dunnstral's posts because he seems critical of things others were saying, and veered away from sheeping, so VOTE: Dunnstral

Here is the sole mention of Dunn by midway before passing Dunn the chain.

I think I feel comfortable postulating a Spring, midway, Dunn team.

[Titus]

hmph. I don't really townread him anymore though because he hasn't done much D2+EoD1
maybe you should read dunn's chain pass to NDMath. super weird

I'll look at that. Do you think Spring is scum? Do you understand if Dunn is scum, your pass looks really bad?
I love your personality but there's too many small things that make it impossible to TR you.

[Titus]

Alright, here's what I'm going to do:

VOTE: NDMath

Justification: My basis for this is that I want people to make a real choice for the lynch today (i.e. not the 'lurker' lynch)

and

I don't think his content is even bad, but I don't think anyone else will pass him the chain.

We can lynch in Unwnd/SirCakez today, preferably. I'll let other people read Pink Ball this game

I'm keeping in mind the quiz team needing to get the chain (i.e. Starbuck/farside won't be lynched)

My theory would suggest unwnd or SirCakez suspected Spring Dunn midway more than NDMath and/or NDMath was needed as a mislynch.

[Titus]

Maybe I should be more forthright and that's the way to be townread

ABR's position/stubborness is townie
TSE is a fucking loon, he plays like this regardless of alignment. I can no longer read it.
NDMath continues to sit on his hands
midwaybear has been the crux of many arguments but still remains largely uninvolved or seemingly unable to speak his mind. I never townread him and I don't now, fuck you TSE for putting words in my mouth sincerely
Beeboy is still Fine
Starbuck remains assertively passive, in the sense she says things that seemingly hold a lot of weight but does nothing with it. I don't like it
Farside is like, almost reverse of it. I can't see her interacting with Starbuck the way she is right now as scum
Springlulluaby's intent reads fine, but with new information being presented constantly I change my position about it
Raya has done nothing to be townread, Sircakez as well
Dunn and Pink both make posts and then I don't think about them at all, one of them being Dunn where I think the game needs to go on longer before I commit and the other being I don't know Pink at all

Unwind has all the theoretical as possible scum at the time of the Dunn --> ND pass

[Titus]

I'll look at that. Do you think Spring is scum? Do you understand if Dunn is scum, your pass looks really bad?
I love your personality but there's too many small things that make it impossible to TR you.

I agree that the Spring/ABR chain pass makes little sense, but I like her actions outside of it. Yes, I get that if Dunn is scum, it looks bad(and he probably is).

What specifically do you like from Spring?

[Titus]

I think I'm gonna stop reading TSE posts

I really dislike that quiz team, Starbuck, Raya and Dunn are not good choices. I want to reject it if a different one can be formed.

Ok to lynch: sircakez, unwnd, NDmath, midwaybear

This list even excluding me is not great

Dunnstral
Cakez
Pinkball
Raya
TSE

that was my team.
TSE is a stubborn guy but that doesn't change his role card.

why tse?

SirCakez doesn't like Dunn or Spring. No recent comment on Midway.

[Titus]

So what's the supposition here. That I passed the chain to ABR because he is my scumbuddy. And now Titus as my scumbuddy is bussing me?

No. My supposition is that you passed the chain because ABR was loud, toxic, and wrong. The softclaim nonsense was a cover.

I am going to check if all three of you rejected the quiz proposed.

What are your thoughts on midway and Dunn?

[Titus]

I happen to think you're scum with Dunn and midway. All three of you rejected the quiz because none of you were on it.

It's no surprise that you're in favor of lynching me.

You also didn't answer about your reads on Dunn and midway.

[Titus]

I happen to think you're scum with Dunn and midway. All three of you rejected the quiz because none of you were on it.

It's no surprise that you're in favor of lynching me.

You also didn't answer about your reads on Dunn and midway.

That is straight bullshit: I specifically said why I rejected the quiz team, and said that I'm ok with any team with beeboy and unwnd on it.
So you're saying that I'm lying about that as scum, when it's so easily falsifiable.

Lol.

And yes, my theory supports this is misleading. Beeboy claims that he must automatically fail. Putting him on a quiz means you don't have to insist on partners.

What are your Dunn and Midway reads?

[Titus]

Mod: Do all town, regardless of role, pass a quiz by PMing you?

[Titus]

Also why do her eyes 'jump to SirCakez'? Obviously she hasn't been reading the guys posts!

Where does this expectation I have read come from?

Farside, what do you think of my theory? My biggest concern about it is beeboy but I think it's pretty solid. Particularly with Dunn waking up from the dead after I proposed it.

[Titus]

@farside I think I have a scumtell on Titus that I have no time to check if it's statistically significant; that's why I'm not pushing her, would be rude without doing some ground work first.

Tbh, you should definitely do your research. I recommend using older scumgames as my emotional place is similar to there (if you think it's based on tone). I had a bunch of lurky scumgames due to IRL and my divorce.

I have nothing to hide. No one as come up with an alignment indicative way of reading me. If you can, more power to you. We need confirmed town in this game.

We get four, we win. That's why I think all the scum failed that last mission.

[Titus]

OK. SO now that the quiz has been denied we can have three options.

1) A quiz team of 4 from the chainless
2) A quiz team of 2 who are chained, and 2 who are not.
3) Run back 2 of the same people from the last quiz, along with 2 new ones.

Me personally, I don't want to run back the same people if that's not evident. This makes Dunn and Spring not eligible for the first option. For option 1, I assume most people would agree with Me, Beeboy, xx, xx. For the second option, those eligible would be Pink Ball, TrueSoulEnergy, midwaybear and Titus. The problem with the second option is that two of those players were already denied, so I doubt that anyone would agree to option number 2. Option 3 is feasible, but I will only agree to the terms based on consensus.

I'll make this simple. Any chain without Spring, Dunn, or midway is an approval from me. I want to test my theory. I would prefer not NDMath because of their lack of presence, but I would approve that anyway.

If you and Beeboy go, the you/beeboy interaction gets tested. So I'm ok with that. However, I would explicitly vote down any chain with beeboy and Spring, Dunn or midway. A failure there would create too much division and allow an easy mislynch on beeboy if town.

Any chain with just one without beeboy, I would wait and see. If it wouldn't be too damaging to the game, I would be inclined to reject it. There's no guarantee that the spring/dunn/midway would be lynched the next day.

[Titus]

^^^ The real GOAT strategy, endorsed by Me, Titus, Raya and Spring.
Look at all those not consensus town read players. :O

I am in agreement with this. My post is a roundabout way of getting us there, without including Spring Dunn or Midway. I feel their dissent on the last one is because of their scum PMs.

I also don't buy scum having a tamper or using it on a quiz that didn't have dissent.

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I just realized 2 and 3 sort of intertwine, given that 2 of the chained were on the last quiz and 2 of them were not. The only people who aren't chained right now are Dunn/Spring (from last quiz).

Would still like thoughts.

To summarize (I can find any relevant long posts)

*long post on how easy it is to turn 1 successful group to a game with only successes by picking the same people over and over*
*long post on how a 1 shot tamper makes that fair for scum, 2 tampers is too strong*
*long post on how you being shot despite being BP could imply the above was used*

By using the same people we know scum can''t have 2 tampers so 2 fails = scum in the group.
Or scum is forced to hit pass for us and we win the power role, either outcome is $$$$$

I'm stupid and spell a quiz team out for me with this in mind. I don't really want Dunn or Spring, I think I would like to see them down the chain more.

Unwnd, Farside, Starbuck, Raya.
Assuming your town and we ignore Dunn and Spring this is the only group that fits my strat within your requirements.

I love this quiz.

[Titus]

Approve Quiz Team

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Titus is your read on Dunn something circumstantial as in, you have games with him? I'm not very good at reading him but I do think he has a bit more sass as town

Circumstantial. I generally don't rely on meta unless it's a glaring personality tell. For instance, ABR's primary motivation is ego and winning. That has to fuel how he's read. Very few players have such quirks.

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OK. SO now that the quiz has been denied we can have three options.

1) A quiz team of 4 from the chainless
2) A quiz team of 2 who are chained, and 2 who are not.
3) Run back 2 of the same people from the last quiz, along with 2 new ones.

Me personally, I don't want to run back the same people if that's not evident. This makes Dunn and Spring not eligible for the first option. For option 1, I assume most people would agree with Me, Beeboy, xx, xx. For the second option, those eligible would be Pink Ball, TrueSoulEnergy, midwaybear and Titus. The problem with the second option is that two of those players were already denied, so I doubt that anyone would agree to option number 2. Option 3 is feasible, but I will only agree to the terms based on consensus.

I'll make this simple. Any chain without Spring, Dunn, or midway is an approval from me. I want to test my theory. I would prefer not NDMath because of their lack of presence, but I would approve that anyway.

If you and Beeboy go, the you/beeboy interaction gets tested. So I'm ok with that. However, I would explicitly vote down any chain with beeboy and Spring, Dunn or midway. A failure there would create too much division and allow an easy mislynch on beeboy if town.

Any chain with just one without beeboy, I would wait and see. If it wouldn't be too damaging to the game, I would be inclined to reject it. There's no guarantee that the spring/dunn/midway would be lynched the next day.

Titus, confirm right now that you will accept any quiz team

when

the 3rd iteration comes around.

If

a third team comes around, of course.

Why are you so confident the quiz will fail?

[Titus]

**quiz team

[Titus]

I think the people chainless right now is a bit telling of events in particular. Do people think there is more scum chained or less scum chained? Right now I'm sitting with the ideal that at least one scum is chained, which is why i agreed upon the quiz.

I think only town are chained.

[Titus]

Where did this concept of a tamper come from?

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Approve is at L minus 2 by the way. If we count on Starbuck, that's one more approval needed.

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Spring, do you approve of this team or not?

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^Read the thread.

I see you arguing for a beeboy team as optimal. I see you asking unwnd to bold his team, when he already did.

So please clarify your stance.

[Titus]

Why Starbuck in particular?

[Titus]

It's almost as if Spring and Dunn are scum.

[Titus]

I really want someone to link me Farside’s Town game in case they are just normally Anti-Town and I’m just looking at them wrong.

Do you remember how you felt about Chemist in T v A?

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I really want someone to link me Farside’s Town game in case they are just normally Anti-Town and I’m just looking at them wrong.

Do you remember how you felt about Chemist in T v A?

Since your sharing thing. Can you walk me through any reason to town read TSE. All i see is yelling, making false accusations and running a player into the ground with that player being scum regardless what they say.

He did the same thing to Chemist in T v A.

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I explicitly said if there was consensus on PoE, i'd approve of the team straight away.
BUT since there seems there isn't, I'm not getting framed for voting in scum.

You'd only be "framed" if the team would actually pass the quiz, which you seem to know they would.

You also stated when this quiz gets voted down.

The simplest explanation is that you're scrambling for a defense, preemptively.

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Starbuck, I hate to ask but with the scum, TSE and Pink Ball being the remaining people, can I have the chain?

[Titus]

Titus, why am I scum again?

Read the thread. I'm not going through this again. This goes for midway too. I laid out my theory in several posts, basically supposing ABR was captured by scum. The convenient change in position and survivalist posts are very scummy too.

[Titus]

I feel so frustrated at the amount of meta requests in this game when the game should be solved by strategic motivations.

Oh and approve the quiz 2020.

[Titus]

Make sure you bold that so the mod can see it, Titus.

I approved it ages ago. I was just campaigning. We need two more votes. Ideally fast because of the deadline.

Hopefully, we can count on Math. I still feel a little hurt you saved Math over me but at least that might help TSE stop his tunnel unless he tunnels you + NDMath.

[Titus]

Proposed quiz is me, farside, Unwnd, Starbuck under the plan to run it back again but with Unwnd who is almost for sure town.

I think it's Titus, Dunnstral, Pink Ball, TrueSoulEnergy, midwaybear who are chainless

Spring is chain less too.

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The chain less situation worries me because my three scum picks are not likely to save me, TSE will save midway if given the option, and pink ball. Pink Ball is 50/50 on killing me. So that leaves NDMath to vote to save me. I am not optimistic.

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hmph TSE isn't going to save me because he thinks me flipping town is going to make you all magically sheep him(IT'S NOT)

You flipping town would actually disprove my theory and have me reset. Sheep him no, but reset yes.

[Titus]

tbh, I'll give the chain to you over Dunnstral

Why?

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The chain less situation worries me because my three scum picks are not likely to save me, TSE will save midway if given the option, and pink ball. Pink Ball is 50/50 on killing me. So that leaves NDMath to vote to save me. I am not optimistic.

50/50? More like... Well yeah 50/50. You don't like the dynamic of fighting spring to death?

I lack an obvtown gene and meta is hooey. I have nothing to hide, so I'll assist and answer questions. I don't relish having to fight scum in a battle to the death here where I have to do the one thing I suck at. Particularly when meta is the deciding factor.

[Titus]

Approve quiz team

Thank you for this.

Approve is at L minus 1 by my count

[Titus]

Meta won't be the deciding factor, it will be the initial stance

That makes me feel quite a bit better. Not great but not holy shit it's a coin flip that I am powerless about.

[Titus]

Alright, so we have the quiz down. Now I guess we wait on NDMath.

[Titus]

Deny Team

I am 70% sure it is going to fail tonight without tampering.

The quiz is already locked in approval.

This makes me want to double down...my three scumreads all vote to deny the team.

TSE, even if you disagree with me on what alignment they are, do you think Spring, Dunn and midway share an alignment?

[Titus]

If you think all three scum would disapprove of a town team, then you must suppose that they don't have that power today.

Incorrect on two fronts. Scum may not have that power. It's an inference driven by the setup. It's just as easy to argue a tamper doesn't exist because it's the type of thing the moderator would inform us of. Second, scum might vote against it because they don't want to use a power if it is only one shot.

[Titus]

Excuse me while I pull my hair out. I'll be back this evening.

[Titus]

Drunk Titus says hi and boy is she pissed.

Spring you think we were engaging in ad hominem attacks. Sorry but we weren't. Calling you scum is not an attack against your integrity. I like you as a person and personally feel offended you think I sunk to that level. It's a dirty level to go game wise to win a game as scum, so stop it. None of us attacked you.

[Titus]

Oh Dunn passes to spring. They are open wolfing here.

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Oh Dunn, guess we really know who was scum on yesterday's quiz now.

Like no shit it's obvious. It's either you and Math or my solution. Pretty fucking obvious.

I just hope I am around tmo to drive this game to the ground in a victory for all time to remember.

I wish a proper lynch wagon was a thing. We'd so cream this but instead this pass mechanic gets scum here.

[Titus]

Can we leave midway for bottom 2?

I'd hope but that's not going to happen unless TSE left out too.

Like I said, I was fucked.

I am using this time as a gigantic last will.

[Titus]

Can we leave midway for bottom 2?

stop tunneling. I already responded to your argument about my "wishy washy" reads.
Titus, I would've passed the chain to you over Dunn, but then NDMath decided to openwolf. I'm still don't think Spring is scum.

Tell me who is the third if Math is scum? Not farside.

[Titus]

my poe is {math, dunn, farside, starbuck, you, raya}
ig there's a chance it's spring, but look in there.

Nah we aren't doing this random half the game shit. If you're town give a shot and try.

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TSE, I'm sorta fed up with you being so complacent

I’m fed up with people not actually accusing the actual scum but what are you gonna do.

This is not complacent.

Tse, suppose starbuck and nd but not farside. Who is the third?

[Titus]

So fypov we're fucked and town's getting lynched?

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The core issue with this entire situation is Spring is town.

Based on what? His AtE that's wrong and offensive AF.

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It's either you and Math or my solution.

Wait, what?

C'mon, why would you give the chain to a known lurker over obvtown who hard townreads you but is getting blazed by scum? That still hurts and makes me wonder if TSE is right.

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The core issue with this entire situation is Spring is town.

Based on what? His AtE that's wrong and offensive AF.

I mean my counter argument is you have the ABR slot.
They aren't playing to end game they are playing to be right which feels townie to me.

Playing to be right? Where? By hard defending each other and coasting? They only came to play after my FoS.

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I hard townread you but I am second guessing because drunk and offended. You townread me even though ABR was a human piece of shit. I can't redeem ABR. There's no redeeming his toxicity but you townread me and picked a lurker who passed to scum because of not paying attention. Who wouldn't be pissed? Especially when it means I likely die.

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VOTE: springlullaby

I expected this

So basically I am dead right?

[Titus]

I never said I haven't done it Spring, just not to you.

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@Farside, Pretty sure I'm dead here, barring a miracle. I'll trust you to carry on with my theory. If it fails, I trust you to at least look at ND/Starbuck.

Like I said, ABR was toxic and I lack an obvtown gene. Thanks for giving me a shot.

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Vote: midwaybear

This is scum

Obviously I want midway lynched

This is scum

You give me hope. Just pass that quiz.

[Titus]

So it's just TSE, PB, and Titus left

And I don't even want any of them lynched

+1 Starbucks passing to NDMath who then passed it to the scumteam really fucked us again

[Titus]

Even if I had passed to PB, other than him being in the bottom two, the same shenanigans would have been occurring. I think.

Not at all. But it's nice to see self reflection.

[Titus]

Titus, if you're town, I have the same PoE you got, so if I die, go for it. If you die and flip town, I'll go for it.

Thanks PB. I have faith in us then.

[Titus]

@TSE, I am not casing someone who I think is town. Objectively, it's better him than me but that's only because I am mod confirmed town to myself. If that gets me lynched, so be it.

[Titus]

Starbuck, it was my pleasure to play with you. I hope you stick around.

[Titus]

Starbuck, it was my pleasure to play with you. I hope you stick around.

Sorry that you replaced into such a scummy slot! Ugh, had you caught up a bit sooner, you would have had the chain from me. I'm sorry.

And same here!

It's ok. I know I lack an obvtown gene. ABR's slot wasn't scummy but anti-town. If he stayed, I would lynch him too. Since he subbed out for not getting his way, the toxic element, which was the reason to lynch him, had been removed.

[Titus]

Farside had no idea what was going on in this game whatsoever.

Farside knew Raya and Starbuck were town, which was better than you.

[Titus]

Fighting everyone is anti-town too lol

No it isn’t.
That’s standing your ground.

It's how someone fights, not them fighting at all.