Mini Theme 2145: The Weakest Link Game over

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"It just started"

6 pages is already 6 pages too much

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I'm really surprised TrueSoulEnergy hasn't been buried in votes yet every post he makes is not thrilling

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I townread TSE/BeeBoy/Dunn.

Pinkball tunnelling on Sircakez and Raya is interesting?
Not a huge fan of the way Sircakez ended mechanical discussion.
My top townreads are the same as raya's, so either they're apparent or raya has a Town mindset. I'd assume apparent.

I really don't like this post for some reason haha

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I think what I don't like about that post couples into how I'm reading the thread right now, which is essentially I think ND's proposed townreads are all security positions. The people who are commonly townread are town. Job well done hats off to everyone

In terms of how I read those three I've already not really liked TSE (Explain others), Dunn null and Beeboy is like fine? Fine is a great way to describe him

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I don't like it either, but it's not enough.

I like Starbuck.

unwnd you better MVP this motherfucker 'cause I was hoping clidd would lead us.

When you say not enough do you mean from me or him?

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Instead of throwing Shade how about you actually provide something to go along with it.
I don’t like you thus far.

OMGUS

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What I don't understand TSE is that you were instantly resigned to me being scum over one sentence about you

I was at work today (I read your 6-long dialogue before I went to bed) and I came to the conclusion reading you tonally is going to be a crapshoot. Again, you sit here and tell me that what I did was anti-town then proceed to jump conclusions

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VOTE: Pink Ball

Let's just play as normal.

VOTE: Pink Ball

Why Pink Ball?

RVS

I'm really surprised TrueSoulEnergy hasn't been buried in votes yet every post he makes is not thrilling

Like, everyone had to clap to confirm their role, right?

Why are so many people acting like they have no clue what the

main mechanic

of the setup is?

Do you scumread it

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If unwnd isn’t scum then they shouldn’t just be

shading everyone

and actually start doing something productive/Point Post.

Lol please never let this guy live anymore than two phases

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The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

I don't think I'm following this line of thought. Bee and Dunn are obvious to keep I agree with. I agree that if scum can't pick their buddy a strong town is a good choice. What I'm not following is why that's a reason to not give Bee or Dunn the chain? Wouldn't it be better to do that and take away that easy option for scum?

I'm easily won over by no-nonsense posts ilke #175 from Albert B. Rampage but in terms of his direction I agree with SirCakez on Dunn that his behavior is mostly NAI

Another thought I had during work is the shade on midwaybear. This is going off the FoS list I've seen but ???? is what I come to when reading his posts. What about them is so concerning from the other lot who are essentially sitting on their hands? When it comes down to how I like to play games it's that I enjoy reading t`h

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God my cat submitted for me mid-thought

Anyways, I enjoy reading the room. I look at the game and think about the direction it's going in and who is exactly determining said direction. I find a dichotomy between town controlling the thread and scum controlling it is something that proves beneficial over time. You have games where enthusiastic scum may take a quick jump to gain influence and as I see it now I don't think that's happening. I again sit at beeboy being fine and he can continue to be fine until something changes. I mention this however because when there is a established presence then all scum really have to do is nod their head and make agreeable posts. This is where ND bothered me first and foremost. TSE largely remains weird, but I think if he's scum he's going to exaggerate more of his absurdity than less of it so it's not really a good look either way. I think Starbuck/Farside have similar posting traits but what comes out of them is vastly different. Farside seems more antagonistic/forth-right while Starbuck remains passive and slightly on the defensive.

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What I don't understand TSE is that you were instantly resigned to me being scum over one sentence about you

I was at work today (I read your 6-long dialogue before I went to bed) and I came to the conclusion reading you tonally is going to be a crapshoot. Again, you sit here and tell me that what I did was anti-town then proceed to jump conclusions

Never said you were scum, I said your post is more likely from scum over Town due to lack of explanation/Point Posts.
Why is it that reading me is a crapshot for you?
Jumping to conclusions is by no means Anti-Town.
It’s called “solving” “generating thoughts” “figuring shit out” etc.

Isn't anyone who posts in this thread trying to solve or generate thoughts or figure shit out

It's just a matter of determining who is pretending to do that as scum lol

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The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

I don't think I'm following this line of thought. Bee and Dunn are obvious to keep I agree with. I agree that if scum can't pick their buddy a strong town is a good choice. What I'm not following is why that's a reason to not give Bee or Dunn the chain? Wouldn't it be better to do that and take away that easy option for scum?

I'm easily won over by no-nonsense posts ilke #175 from Albert B. Rampage but in terms of his direction I agree with SirCakez on Dunn that his behavior is mostly NAI

Another thought I had during work is the shade on midwaybear. This is going off the FoS list I've seen but ???? is what I come to when reading his posts. What about them is so concerning from the other lot who are essentially sitting on their hands? When it comes down to how I like to play games it's that I enjoy reading t`h

*Cough*

Hypocrite

*Cough*
You want explanation on someone but don’t give any yourself for yours truly. (TSE)
I’ll say this though.
Midwaybear at least gave his explanation on why he believes me to be scummy, unlike you.
I also feel like you might be trying to attempt to pocket Midwaybear and get him to Town read you because for starters he isn’t a main Town read. He’s a middle man. So town reading Dunn and Bee is casual. Their strong it’s normal. Not exactly going to get you anywhere. Now you think hmm. They definitely aren’t going to be the last to choose on the chain.
So what do you do? Simple.
You pick someone in the middle area AKA Midwaybear and decide “Hey!” “If I can get them on my side they will pick me to stay around”
Typical scum play Tbh.

I think you're weird and talk too much, even if I'm repeating myself I lightly touched upon this in #254. I think you'll continue to act this way because it doesn't benefit you anymore to be comprehensible, this is just an angle you're going to take for the rest of the game. This is why I didn't like you and before I even got the chance to sit down you were ready to condemn me

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What I don't understand TSE is that you were instantly resigned to me being scum over one sentence about you

I was at work today (I read your 6-long dialogue before I went to bed) and I came to the conclusion reading you tonally is going to be a crapshoot. Again, you sit here and tell me that what I did was anti-town then proceed to jump conclusions

Never said you were scum, I said your post is more likely from scum over Town due to lack of explanation/Point Posts.
Why is it that reading me is a crapshot for you?
Jumping to conclusions is by no means Anti-Town.
It’s called “solving” “generating thoughts” “figuring shit out” etc.

Isn't anyone who posts in this thread trying to solve or generate thoughts or figure shit out

It's just a matter of determining who is

pretending

to do that as scum lol

“Pretending”
And what exactly do you consider that to look like compared to someone who isn’t “pretending”.

I'm not sure, I think the definition varies between each person. Me personally? Scum don't have the same liabilities as town. They don't have the pressure of being wrong, therefore the only thing they have to do is

A) Not get lynched
B) Get others lynched that aren't themselves
C) Bus or Co-opt with their partners to make convincing lynches that make false narratives

I don't think C) happens this early, I'm not even thinking about it. When it comes to A) and B) I like looking at individual personalities first and foremost and determining if it's..natural. I'm not fully confident myself on what natural means but early on I think just going with your gut is more beneficial than reading into what would be about ~250 posts of content because scum probably haven't tried to set up for anything by then. This is why I think it's important to call out behavior as you see it because scum are less prepared early on and get blindsided from time to time

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The reason I won’t choose you and Dunn is because you guys are both playing pretty strong and you are obvious Town targets to pick to keep.
Usually if scum can’t pick their buddy they would pick you or Dunn because your the “easy route”
And they get a higher chance for a mislynch.

I don't think I'm following this line of thought. Bee and Dunn are obvious to keep I agree with. I agree that if scum can't pick their buddy a strong town is a good choice. What I'm not following is why that's a reason to not give Bee or Dunn the chain? Wouldn't it be better to do that and take away that easy option for scum?

I'm easily won over by no-nonsense posts ilke #175 from Albert B. Rampage but in terms of his direction I agree with SirCakez on Dunn that his behavior is mostly NAI

Another thought I had during work is the shade on midwaybear. This is going off the FoS list I've seen but ???? is what I come to when reading his posts. What about them is so concerning from the other lot who are essentially sitting on their hands? When it comes down to how I like to play games it's that I enjoy reading t`h

*Cough*

Hypocrite

*Cough*
You want explanation on someone but don’t give any yourself for yours truly. (TSE)
I’ll say this though.
Midwaybear at least gave his explanation on why he believes me to be scummy, unlike you.
I also feel like you might be trying to attempt to pocket Midwaybear and get him to Town read you because for starters he isn’t a main Town read. He’s a middle man. So town reading Dunn and Bee is casual. Their strong it’s normal. Not exactly going to get you anywhere. Now you think hmm. They definitely aren’t going to be the last to choose on the chain.
So what do you do? Simple.
You pick someone in the middle area AKA Midwaybear and decide “Hey!” “If I can get them on my side they will pick me to stay around”
Typical scum play Tbh.

I think you're

weird and talk too much

, even if I'm repeating myself I lightly touched upon this in #254. I think you'll continue to act this way because it doesn't benefit you anymore to be comprehensible, this is just an angle you're going to take for the rest of the game. This is why I didn't like you and before I even got the chance to sit down you were ready to condemn me

Yes because talking too much is scum indicative.
You can’t discredit that, it’s fact. Playstyle is

NEVER

alignment indicative.
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I strongly disagree with you, but we'd just be going into semantics if I talked further on it. The point that should be made here is: what are you getting out of all this? Did you just come at me with some half-hearted read expecting me to buckle or something?

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I think you just convince yourself everything you say has to be true because you want others to consider you an authority over them

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So here you are tooting your own horn and telling me im wrong for thinking poorly of you

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Nice I made a spelling error.
It takes a real person to realize if a misguided Town is pushing you/you pushing them which makes you misguided Town.

What am i supposed to get out of this? Are you telling me i should think you're misguided town?

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Why is it every dissenting opinion towards you a form of shade instead of merely an observation? And why does me making that observation make me scum just because im supposed to think you're town?

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Ok have fun convincing others instead of yourself then TSE

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Why is that people just scumread or dislike someone for..disliking them

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If I town read someone I'm gonna town read them. It doesn't matter if it comes off as 'safe' or if that person doesn't think they should be town read.

I had some other points you perhaps glossed over actually

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You're spreading bad ideologies every time you take a moment to tell me how it is. These past pages have just been reoccurring. Like you're stuck on repeat. It's like you're trying to force content or don't give a shit. Nothing you're saying follows some kinda process that I can latch onto. It all reads like lunacy.

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When it comes to the chain I think there's benefit in giving to people you scumread, this may seems backwards but you're putting them in a position to commit to a read either way. If people are just throwing the chain around like hypothetical townblocks this can become an issue if the townblock is incorrect

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When it comes to the chain I think there's benefit in giving to people you scumread, this may seems backwards but you're putting them in a position to commit to a read either way. If people are just throwing the chain around like hypothetical townblocks this can become an issue if the townblock is incorrect

I mean I think you should just give it to a town read.
Don't you want your scum reads to have it towards the end when they have a smaller selection.

Spring hands it to lets say, Math.
Math hands it to me.
oh boi what a hard choice lmao.

And to create the world with smaller pools for the scum reads to pick from you have to pick your top town read anyway.

I just like the idea of accountability. I can't see town just synchronizing on who gets left out and it's gonna come down to the 2nd to the last person probably. That's where I think a strong townread matters IMO

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Having come off a stupid loss from another website I'm not really engaging my own behavior. I also came to the conclusion that most people are insecure or self-aware to the point that they will do things that signifies a change in behavior from previous established meta then oops they were town

Can you tell I'm still a little bitter

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The thing that makes this game especially annoying for me above all else is that without the ability to 'vote' you kinda have to filter things out more efficiently. Votes pretty much condense all your arguments. Sometimes you can even say way more just voting someone than anything. Right now you have players who I think would probably be voting each other (or something to close to it) and I'd be able to determine what it all means in the long run. In an instance where there were votes, I'm just going to go ahead and say that TSE/ND probably wouldn't be voting me. I'd also say that I think TSE/ND don't seem like partners despite both agreeing to dislike me. What's happening here is that one of them is town pursuing a bad thought and the other is scum using that leverage to seem more

legitimate

. In terms of who I give more benefit? I don't really know. TSE is so full of himself that it's bothering me. ND remains steadfast and just going through the motions. Gun to my head I'd give it to TSE.

I had some other things I wanted to hit while I'm here.

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I got a bit sidetracked when I was talking about my main point. The one being the lack of votes. I remember Starbuck saying something along the lines of 'ABR is so obvious scum' and I wonder if she'd make that opinion if ABR was able to vote. See, the biggest thing about ABR is that he clearly wants to play this game like normal. I've stated my opinion about this so I'll try not to be redundant. I wonder if the people who don't like ABR is his seeming unwillingness to play, but right now I just think ABR would rather play his way and well, he can't.

I glanced over Starbuck/Farside as well but it was only about a sentence. Starbuck's behavior remains pretty straightforward, it kinda shocked me to see her post a re-read like that. Maybe this boils down to playstlye, something Starbuck +1'd when TSE agreed you can't read someone on it. I can't read too hard into it because I sit here a little frustrated about votes again. I'd love to see how Starbuck would react to getting voted. Not just chided through a means of text. I don't mean to pair these two together but it just so happens you have this game working in groups, where people are obviously more involved with others. Which brings me to another thing.

We have clear players who aren't really involved in ways that are..argumentative? Is that the word I'm looking for. Just people who have been given more agency to do whatever they want. Such as Dunnstral/springlullaby/Pink Ball/Raya/SirCakez.

This is a list I want to eventually come back to and will become more important as time goes on.

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I word error'd. The line about 'TSE/ND probably wouldn't be voting me' was meant to say 'TSE/ND probably wouldn't be BOTH voting me'.

I feel like your answer about that post is easily explained if you read what I'm saying.

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Also I would've definitely voted you in that post while gasp shading ND

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We have clear players who aren't really involved in ways that are..argumentative? Is that the word I'm looking for. Just people who have been given more agency to do whatever they want. Such as Dunnstral/springlullaby/Pink Ball/Raya/SirCakez.

What are you expecting me to do here?

Nothing based on the games I've played with you

TSE, when I said gasp it's because I would've done what you deemed as scummy regardless

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@Unwd, please nominate a player you think is town, and a player who you think is scum.

ABR
beeboy
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ND

I didn't answer because my thought felt incomplete. This is the baseline of towniness and scumminess but the game probably remains stagnant until the chain is passed

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Thanks for letting me know, your opinion matters to me

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Jesus fucking christ shut up please

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@Mod please make him stop regardless of alignment. This is spamming. There has to be a rule about this.

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That list is fine. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the quiz is failed even if one person chooses to fail it right? It's just a voting situation where everyone has to agree?

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Nevermind I can read, don't answer

I do like the list in theory but I worry of a failing, unless that's the angle you're pursuing

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> Given the above, there is zero advantage in veto-ing the quiz team since:
a) scum automatically gain an advantage anyway

Where is this confirmed? I just looked at the OP and I didn't see anything that said scum gains advantage either way failing or succeeding. Why would any scum choose to fail a quiz then if they want to avoid looking suspicious? Of course the anonymous vote is in place so it's less tracked but if I'm scum the slight mechanical advantage is far less greater than people thinking I'm town for going along with their plans.

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> Given the above, there is zero advantage in veto-ing the quiz team since:
a) scum automatically gain an advantage anyway

Where is this confirmed? I just looked at the OP and I didn't see anything that said scum gains advantage either way failing or succeeding. Why would any scum choose to fail a quiz then if they want to avoid looking suspicious? Of course the anonymous vote is in place so it's less tracked but if I'm scum the slight mechanical advantage is far less greater than people thinking I'm town for going along with their plans.

You can confirm all the information via the mod. It is what I did.
So what if the quiz pass with scum passing it?

Well, If I'm reading into things right I think that the question answers itself. I was thinking about the utility of veto'ing and I'm assuming that if a quiz passes then the people who were involved with that quiz each gain a utility or something beneficial. However if there's a failing then nobody gains anything or maybe even has..consequence? I'll ask about it more. I just don't understand why I personally would ever fail a quiz, if anything if I were in a quiz I'd discuss who I think wants the quiz to go through and who doesn't. Your 5-man is pretty divisive which is why I like it.

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Well, If I'm reading into things right I think that the question answers itself. I was thinking about the utility of veto'ing and I'm assuming that if a quiz passes then the people who were involved with that quiz each gain a utility or something beneficial. However if there's a failing then nobody gains anything or maybe even has..consequence? I'll ask about it more. I just don't understand why I personally would ever fail a quiz, if anything if I were in a quiz I'd discuss who I think wants the quiz to go through and who doesn't. Your 5-man is pretty divisive which is why I like it.

There is no discussion to be had: town should always pass the quiz. Period. Please read my long post about it.

So if I'm in a quiz with someone I think is scum I should just bite the bullet and agree to pass the quiz.

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I'm waiting to see if people are making trouble for the quiz team.

I don't see anyone disagreeing given the trajectory of this game. I asked the mod a few questions myself and I can't say based on her response I agree on always passing the quiz

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I have no clue why you guys are townreading Raya btw lol

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Wow that really is a 10 hour video. I didn't listen to it all, maybe 5 minutes but seeing 10 hours pop up when I clicked on the link scared me a lot.
Who has that kind of time?

I'm waiting to see if people are making trouble for the quiz team.

I don't see anyone disagreeing given the trajectory of this game. I asked the mod a few questions myself and I can't say based on her response I agree on always passing the quiz

It's apparently context-specific, meaning the advantage or disadvantage given for the quiz will be explained to the participants.

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It's because Maria hates me and doesn't want to acknowledge my existence.

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Does the person who gets the chain become the next to nominate a 5-man if the first one is denied? Or is it if the first one is denied, then there's no quiz at all?

@ Mod

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I don't like this game becoming a systematic event even if that's what it is.

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ya that's better. I would prefer not using the quiz as a way to scumhunt, but as a way to get advantages.

No, I think using the quiz to scumhunt is fine. If not essential. Spring has the right idea in mind, but it's flawed it's in execution. Something that is completely untested. ABR is shouting it down in the most simple way possible given that he believes the quiz has scum on it. I don't understand what you're doing anymore. A cursory glance before I came in confused me but now it seems like you're entirely voiceless or seemingly oppressed by things you want to say. What's up?

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I don't like this game becoming a systematic event even if that's what it is.

wdym?

This game is less won on the merits of convincing others to lynch your scumread and more about asserting a position where you are never scumread or get voted out as the weakest link. The idea being made here (from what I see) is that townblocks should consist of a hypothetical townblock that will pass the quiz. ABR just outed that if the quiz is passed then they gain lynch immunity which is another angle to look at. I dislike townblocks uniformly, especially this early on. You start making townblocks by D3/D4 where there is clear information and flips.

What makes you go from right idea, to flawed in execution?

The (right idea) was a bit before I asked the mod something and she responded about it.

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So why the fuck should we approve a list of players we want to lynch?

So you have no other scum lead than starbuck?

Unwnd
Starbuck

My main scumreads right now.

Didn't you put me on a list to join a quiz

Is it bad to feel insulted? I think I've been pretty townie

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....
I feel like you are pocketing

Haha no that was definitely shade as TSE would say put against you

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Maybe I should be more forthright and that's the way to be townread

ABR's position/stubborness is townie
TSE is a fucking loon, he plays like this regardless of alignment. I can no longer read it.
NDMath continues to sit on his hands
midwaybear has been the crux of many arguments but still remains largely uninvolved or seemingly unable to speak his mind. I never townread him and I don't now, fuck you TSE for putting words in my mouth sincerely
Beeboy is still Fine
Starbuck remains assertively passive, in the sense she says things that seemingly hold a lot of weight but does nothing with it. I don't like it
Farside is like, almost reverse of it. I can't see her interacting with Starbuck the way she is right now as scum
Springlulluaby's intent reads fine, but with new information being presented constantly I change my position about it
Raya has done nothing to be townread, Sircakez as well
Dunn and Pink both make posts and then I don't think about them at all, one of them being Dunn where I think the game needs to go on longer before I commit and the other being I don't know Pink at all

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midway gets engaged once again and he closes the thread and leaves

meanwhile TSE spouts nonsense and makes the room believe I townread him

I luv it

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Wow sure seems TSE shut his fucking zipper once he realized he didn't actually know what I was thinking this whole time!

I'm gonna x out before I lose my temper further

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I think you all can't read me or choose not to

This is that one game where RC thought I was certifiably scum, everyone agreed because he posted a lot and then i flipped town

Project arch btw if you wanna read it

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Chainless -

Unwnd, TSE, beeboy, farside22, Starbuck, Raya, Sircakez, PBall

Has chain -

NDMath

Lol what did I come back to

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I really dislike the way we are using the chain right now, ND basically committed to the idea his sole defender is the right person to give the chain to

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Chain reasons

Spring - Pressured and succumbed to ABR because he's scum(?) then gave him the chain(?)
ABR - TYRANNY gives it to midway who if I'm going by count was one of the top(?) FoS'es early on
Midway - Gives Dunnstral the chain despite not being a pivotal member of anything going on at all
Dunnstal - Gives NDmath the chain despite not being a pivotal member of anythign going on at all

Deny Quiz

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despite not being a pivotal member of anything going on at all

This isn't good reasoning, by the way

Why do you side with a player who has essentially played a game of perpetual catch up while I dance for your amusement

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Midway when I came at you like..5 pages ago? I didn't say that just because I enjoyed hearing myself talk. Why did you ignore it?

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I think his content is safe, easy to make, and ultimately serves no purpose other than making an allotted checklist of what a townie would do

If you read that because you think that's honest then maybe you know more than me, but me personally I'm not persuaded about it given how I've talked about how I think this setup in itself benefits this

There's a reason you got the chain early dunn

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Whereas you, unwnd, keep taking pot shots at me for "not producing content" when I feel like I'm doing OK, then say you're used to me not producing content (ok??? I don't remember the game this was from, maybe this is true), and keep pointing that out even though you don't think its ai

Along with other weirdness in your iso, and general disagreement of reads that feels scum motivated. Not related to TSE - I've started skimming over that stuff

When did you get the opinion I was making potshots at you, I've sat here been mostly null and maybe a little annoyed about dunnisms in your style. I even said that I'm not ready to commit to a read on you until later on because that's the way you play?

Midway, I assume you don't want to read but I basically you seem very voiceless or even oppressed by others to share your opinion. You then say I was trying to pocket you over this?

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Felt like every other post that wasn't @ tse was including me in some list of people who aren't doing anything

We have clear players who aren't really involved in ways that are..argumentative? Is that the word I'm looking for. Just people who have been given more agency to do whatever they want. Such as Dunnstral/springlullaby/Pink Ball/Raya/SirCakez.

So you mean this one

And by every other post you mean one post

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You then say I was trying to pocket you over this?

I was talking about TSE not you because he kept on saying I was his locktown read

That's not really how I interpreted it given TSE instantly began webbing his thoughts about how what he was saying about me was true

Moreover, what does this all mean for you? And why do you still remain mostly cautious?

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OK so you've corrected me and it's been about 4 posts, but generally speaking I stand by that only one of them was important in how I feel about you

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Starbuck i just feel like you're covering all angles in ways it's hard to determine where your priorities lie

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Starbuck i just feel like you're covering all angles in ways it's hard to determine where your priorities lie

It's a catch up post. It just talks about things a player notes during the game as they catch up. Responding to one thing, reading onto other things. The constant was Abr as scum.
What angles do you see her covering?

Yes but what effectively do those catchups do? My bias may be in play but when I'm scum and I have nothing to talk about (see: hard to fake enthusiasm) I'll just cover myself by talking about multiple things even if they don't mean anything in the long run. It's just little things I notice. There's a cursory glance here and there from Starbuck but you're right the only thing certain about her posts is that she doesn't like ABR.

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i didn't really TR anyone else besides you, Cakez, and beeboy. Apparently we are saving Cakez(and beeboy now) to be on the end of the chain so I gave it to you. Pink Ball and ND are sorta swingy reads, but they are more townie than TSE, unwnd, farside, starbuck to me.
pedit: I'm gonna check that out

Did something ever come of this midway lol

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Did something ever come of this midway lol

not really lol
I guess it was interesting that TSE thought it was you pocketing me instead of him. I feel like scum are more self aware than that, but he does seem to be the player who would make a move like that.

Gun to your head who's scum? Me? Both of us?

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Doesn’t matter if Spring Is Town or Scum.
It’s the same result.
Why are you bringing that up?

Why doesn't it matter? If spring is scum, they'll fail the quiz and give scum a leg up. They could also pass as scum to gain trust and bus. I'm not sure how I feel on spring because there's been some questionable actions from their direction. I'm not ruling out that they could be overwhelmed from being chainleader, but it is curious by any means.

Starbuck i just feel like you're covering all angles in ways it's hard to determine where your priorities lie

That's kind of my goal when I catch up or I go back and do a re-read. I try to gleam what I may have missed the first time around. I feel much better after my re-read a few days ago and now with my catch up today. Do you need some examples of my past games where I had mega catch ups or anything? I think the majority are still in my Wiki if you need something to compare to.

Do we really want spring to be leader? But on the other hand, can't scum always just NK the nominated chain leader so technically spring could always be leader. That would sorta be broken because if spring was scum, she would be untouchable.

I feel like you didn't read the rules.

Starbuck i just feel like you're covering all angles in ways it's hard to determine where your priorities lie

It's a catch up post. It just talks about things a player notes during the game as they catch up. Responding to one thing, reading onto other things. The constant was Abr as scum.
What angles do you see her covering?

Yes but what effectively do those catchups do? My bias may be in play but when I'm scum and I have nothing to talk about (see: hard to fake enthusiasm) I'll just cover myself by talking about multiple things even if they don't mean anything in the long run. It's just little things I notice. There's a cursory glance here and there from Starbuck but you're right the only thing certain about her posts is that she doesn't like ABR.

My guess is you haven't read a word that I've written or seen that I have questions for multiple people in those posts. For all that I haven't liked about him, SirCakez actually found my questions for him and responded. I, even in years past, try to condense multi-page catch ups into one bigger post rather than spam everyone.

In all actuality, though, I usually feel a lot better of knowing the goings-on after a big catch up like I did today (which took me the better part of 2-2.5 hours mind you) than when I'm in the midst of a back and forth keyboard war.

I skim through it. I don't think I have the time to read every single detail therefore I'm saving myself trouble. Based on the person you seem to be you seem ready for any response. This gives me pause. I don't know much how...natural? Your catchups seem. Walls of text have to be parsed through. You agree with me stating that going back and forth in keyboard wars. It just seems however that a lot of your 'keyboard wars' are heavily reactionary. I won't sit here and lie to you that I fully get what you and farside were beefing about early. I do now however it happened and now it seems like that's all it was. It happened and now we're here.

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If I'm not addressing my concerns in a way that is understandable tell me.

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The cognitive dissonance at display here will become really sinister if it's not squashed sooner rather than later. I don't understand why I'm bottom two but if I get lynched, but the sudden compliance just reads like scum is not at all worried about this phase. I wouldn't be shocked if Me/Cakez are both town at this rate.

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Starbuck I read your post and all I have to say is you know yourself well and that I read our confrontation as honest. I'm not fully convinced about you but I do know this at least. However..

This game is filled with players who know themselves. Who have experience and have ways of leaning on that experience to get them through tough times. I say this for both town/scum. I've read a bit into the relationships at display here and it seems a lot of the dissent comes from people not acting in ways that they are comfortable with. All I know from what ABR is said that Spring is acting like scum for (reasons related to his experience with her). I've sat here and townread ABR for his convictions but I've also seen that people don't like ABR and think he's faking it. Spring alone seems to be attuned to something I wouldn't be aware as I've never played with him.

And this is just something I noticed. When I see myself and I see SirCakez at the bottom two I feel like either the players who are familiar with each other are squabbling and causing a ton of noise for scum to hide in or they're trying to gain an assertive position where all they have to do is oust those who aren't in their familiar circles.

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The cognitive dissonance at display here will become really sinister if it's not squashed sooner rather than later. I don't understand why I'm bottom two but if I get lynched, but the sudden compliance just reads like scum is not at all worried about this phase. I wouldn't be shocked if Me/Cakez are both town at this rate.

You maybe right.
Scum reads were you with tse. Once the chain started it was Sl, abr to mid to dunn nd to raya, me, sb.

What do you think about the chouces made by each.

I have been sitting here wondering why the chain suddenly started to move at a breakneck speed once ABR received it. I had a kneejerk reaction denying the quiz because it seemed like the reasons to passing the chain was instilled by this hurry up! mentality and nobody had to really justify their choices. I asked Dunn about it and while he did answer, it left me wanting more.

I was writing up a small paragraph about my feeling of each individual pass but ultimately I think the reason for the passes were already decided in a sense. Once ABR outed that the quiz people are lynch immune others just shrugged their shoulders and were throwing the chain from anyone not in the quiz. I think it will be very telling based on these quiz votes and also the outcome of the quiz in this regard. In fact I'd say that outcome is much more important than the way the chain has been tossed.

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Convincing myself my ABR read was likely shortsighted and that things seem to be 'according to plan' that it is uncanny

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Yeah im with Cakez on this one you guys fucked up lol

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deny it boys this is a bad team

DENY QUIZ TEAM

Because theres scum in there. Who's in favor of putting sircakez in charge of the chain tomorrow?

All I know from what ABR is said that Spring is acting like scum for (reasons related to his experience with her). I've sat here and townread ABR for his convictions but I've also seen that people don't like ABR and think he's faking it. Spring alone seems to be attuned to something I wouldn't be aware as I've never played with him.

Where did i say spring is acting like scum?

Prove this or you are 100% scum

Having read into your posts leading up to Spring calling you scum, you seemed very against the team and then defaulted to calling Spring dumb town after she called you scum. Forgive me mixing things up but it still seems like I'm not invited to your birthday party either way. I definitely don't get that notion however and I think you're gonna keep it to yourself because again--you have experience with her and I don't.

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It's okay you can apologize to me later I won't blame you for it Tony Stark

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Do you really think that in those posts I highlighted that it was wrong of me to think that you didn't like Spring? Granted I was being lazy but that's the only thing I'm guilty of

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ABR I am but a lowly peasant can you please bless me with your knowledge of why Spring was dumb town after you shot down her plans

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ABR I am but a lowly peasant can you please bless me with your knowledge of why Spring was dumb town after you shot down her plans

She is always power hungry and thinking shes the greatest thing since sliced bread as town, check her iso in XP mafia lol.

So when you disagreed with her plans and were ultimately negative (essentially driving the game where it is now), you didn't think twice about this? If you think I'm not reading then whatever but I did talk about it feels odd that the players with experience w/ each other are holding accountabilities the others can't see. Why can't Spring be power hungry as scum?

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Your confidence is what I townread you for but it requires huge leaps of logic that are based on believing everything you say

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Granted I was being lazy but that's the only thing I'm guilty of

He just admitted he wasnt reading and was lazy scum.

Spoiler:

When I'm town I bullshit half of my infodumps with unfilled logic just looking to see what sticks and the reactions based on them

Spoiler:

I'm also just fucking lazy, I'm not reading an entire game word by word because every finite detail tends to not matter once I get the bigger picture. Also I can definitely show you where I've been lazy as town but lord knows if you're scum you're just gonna use it as further ammunition

Make no mistake that I did read what you said, I just happened to not want to read it again

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I'm also just fucking lazy, I'm not reading an entire game word by word because every finite detail tends to not matter once I get the bigger picture. Also I can definitely show you where I've been lazy as town but lord knows if you're scum you're just gonna use it as further ammunition

Ive no problem about laziness or misreading or any of that.

Uh huh yes I see

What I caught was that you made up a lie,

Yes yes I lied go on

to cover for your laziness,

Which I admitted to..

and dressed it up like a great townie sounding post.

So you think I'm town?

Nobody could catch that except for me because everything gets buried.

Oh so I have to have suspension of disbelief because it's Albert B. Rampage and not MafiaPlayer8383 where one is can be wrong and the other can't be wrong (and if he is, then the person in question is scum)

Checkmate and gg scum.

Yes I understand now.

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That was surprisingly a bitch to format lol

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Imma claim when i get back home because some of you will eat crow

The steak of being scum read as PR continues!

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Imma claim when i get back home because some of you will eat crow

The steak of being scum read as PR continues!

might as well hard claim now

No because it influences the outcome of the quiz all im gonna say

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Hey TSE

U were wrong

Lick my cock and my balls, start with the shaft first

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The only thing i want to see from you is flexing your tongue muscles on my veiny town Pole

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I am a girl don't lynch me pwease :3

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Ok I claim one-shot wiretapper

Once per game i can choose a player before phase end, that players vote on the quiz will be proxy'd by my own instead

I don't receive what the person originally chose and the person affected will not be notified

Formatting on phone hard

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Then id be wasting my utility telling you wouldn't I?

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Third line sounds added from you to make it sound like a town role

Hmm or maybe it's balance? Complain after the game

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Balance from what

If i could see their original vote it'd effectively be a cop

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...I have trouble thinking how that is a town aligned role.
But then it's such a bad claim too.

Could you confirm whether you wiretap the fail/pass vote or the chainleader vote or both?

Its related to the quiz, did you not see me say that

I choose a person and can change their vote of pass/fail by proxy

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Then id be wasting my utility telling you wouldn't I?

Not if you could potential be lynched so you use it as your last resort.

Buddy there's 5 unchained people I'm just trying to do you a solid to make better choices

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Balance from what

If i could see their original vote it'd effectively be a cop

Scum would know that town is voting in favour.

Why do you think voting on a quiz is always a net positive for town?

The rewards for quizzes ard context specific. If a scum member is on a quiz that is passed he receives the benefits as well.

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Like i asked the mod about this, i even talked about it earlier

Jesus

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Ok pink ball feel free to dm the mod idk what to tell you!

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I asked her if the quiz team gets notified of the advantages and she said yes, meaning a scum member can benefit from a quiz result as long as they're on it

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I've done all i can

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This thread is full of noxious gas, with people getting high off their own fumes 24/7

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I think PBall is increasingly TMI. I think ABR could be bussing Starbuck. There are too many unknown variables that frustrate me and it's impossible to get really decipher them because the thread lacks discretion

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TSE is so frustrating but he's town

My NDMath read got completely ignored because apparently I don't talk loud enough. This is why I claimed because I figured actions could be louder than my words

To answer spring's question something like PBall/ABR/Starbuck/??? with ??? being one of midway/NDMath/Raya, and that variable becomes way more important if Starbuck is town

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Oh and the people trying to string it together that my role works in tangent with Beeboy are reaching

And yes I'm aware that is a defense being made for me but I don't think my role works as a direct beneficiary to Beeboy, especially if we're both town

Beeboy has essentially claimed miller, unrelated to my own claim

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Can I just say if I'm going on my own tangent, especially in a game like this

People throwing out reads as if they're matter-of-fact without any congruent argument attached to it is

tilting

. Were it all so easy to say someone is scum and then have no liability to your claim at all, especially when they flip town

I'm giving out freebies for the rest of you here

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Midway ffs I'm male

I just woke up from a nap

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Ngl im really confused by PBall right now, not by the read but almost the behavior whiplash

Oh and spring: What policy? Explain. I don't enjoy having people employ their ideals of what is/isn't policy based on join date meanwhile i have an account on here that dates back all the way to 2010. Not a lie either

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I don't think two roles exist in tandem to clear the other. Id rather be townread on my merit of being townie over a role i happened to get

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Wiho knows what will happen if i change your vote? Didn't you say you fail it regardless if you vote yes/no beeboy?

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Cause i legit don't think they interact the way you want them to, i feel I've been saying this whole game uh, referring back to myself? Something along the lines kf treating you like a claimed miller.

Listen I've got my own theories on what it all means do you wanna hear it

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Ok please let me get on my computer my phone posts are awful and i impulsively keep doing them

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Alright so

Beeboy I have a minor headache but I'll try to go over my own thought processes about the quiz and how my role works in relation to it.

Generally speaking, I don't think the quiz mechanic works where it is always beneficial for town to pass it. That just seems very backwards to me, especially because if town should never fail it, why are they given the option to do so? Think about it. If it's always town to vote pass there shouldn't be the option to vote fail in the first place. On the flipside, if scum only has to invade a quiz and vote fail, why would they ever pass it?

If I'm looking at it one way, a scum may pass a vote just to give town a false sense of security. This doesn't seem entirely right however in my head, especially with my role existing. It has to be a give and take scenario. I talked about this but let me bold for anyone not listening:

The people in the quiz are notified of the benefits/disadvantages based on if the quiz passes or fails. This was confirmed with the mod.

I heard someone say we'd get the quiz results on how many people voted pass/fail? That's just inherently busted. Why would scum ever vote fail if town is given the option to PoE them immediately.

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Townies do not automatically pass the quiz.

4) Privately you must pm me if you pass or fail the quiz. If you don't do this the quiz will automatically fail.

You're just making my point stronger you know that right? Read what I'm arguing: Townies shouldn't be given the option to sabotage themselves.

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Yes it seems like someone can still abstain from their vote by negligence

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4) Privately you must pm me if you pass or fail the quiz. If you don't do this the quiz will automatically fail.

This is where I'm confused but now asking the mod a few things it seems that my role works where if a scum invades a quiz I can force them to vote yes

But part of my own seated paranoia tells me it's not that simple

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I think my role helps us? I think?

Double negative utilty would be really bad, and if my role functions to make Beeboy not-miller that's dumb as well

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4) Privately you must pm me if you pass or fail the quiz. If you don't do this the quiz will automatically fail.

This is where I'm confused but now asking the mod a few things it seems that my role works where if a scum invades a quiz I can force them to vote yes

But part of my own seated paranoia tells me it's not that simple

See:

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4) Privately you must pm me if you pass or fail the quiz. If you don't do this the quiz will automatically fail.

This is where I'm confused but now asking the mod a few things it seems that my role works where if a scum invades a quiz I can force them to vote yes

But part of my own seated paranoia tells me it's not that simple

See:

I mean I do get this but the chances of being wrong and hitting town and making them vote no is quite high

I can only proxy people to vote yes/no, It's basically like an overwrite not a reverse uno card if that makes sense

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I think my role helps us? I think?

Double negative utilty would be really bad, and if my role functions to make Beeboy not-miller that's dumb as well

i literally checked with the mod.

Which part? I thought you said something like me proxy'ing you would do nothing cause even if you vote yes it still registers as no

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I'm still hesitant on PB and I think we're in lose/lose scenario. My claim was influenced on a bout of frustration but I kinda wish I coulda kept it to myself longer

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OK I'm taking that as death

Don't let ABR win this game, fuck TSE, midway probably the most scum based on this EoD and then I still stand by either Starbuck being bussed by ABR or just town, the third is more elusive

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Wait am I being trolled

No I want my death to be righteous wtf

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I didn't use my ability last night, but I do have other things I want to touch up on

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The biggest thing I like do is go a bit into wagonmics, especially after a mislynch

Proposed Team(5)-

Springlullaby

,

farside

,

Starbuck

,

Raya36

,

Dunnstral

Here's our team

springlullaby(12)-

springlullaby

>Albert B. Rampage>midwaybear>

Dunnstral

>NDmath>

farside22

>

Starbuck

>

Raya36

>beeboy>TrueSoulEnergy>Pink Ball>unwnd

Here's our chain

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Right now there's a discrepancy with the chain formation and the team as well. You have Farside>Starbuck>Raya all passing the chain in succession of one another. Unless the quiz team was just terribly misguided, I'm just going to say it's unlikely that those 3 comprise of a team, rather one of them. I think that is still however possible that more than one scum could be on a team however, but I don't know if that's necessarily true of the team last night.

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So for example, if Mary became the chain leader after a vote on night 4 she would be bullet proof night 4 and day 5. Not Day 5 and night 5.

So if you guys gave me the chain night 1 I'd be bulletproof that night

Lmao they really tried to shoot me

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OK I'm running on the logic the team officially doesnt fucking know what they're doing

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they didnt try to shoot you, you scumbag.

Lucky for you I honestly think you're competent enough to not try and shoot me, so hate me all you want but I'm binning my thoughts on you

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If one of the quiz members wants to talk further about their decisions and possible reasoning for this outcome now is the time

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I'm happy to get the chain but I would really like the rationale divulged given we're sitting on a failure

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ABR you can't sit here and say that part of what happened last phase was a bit of your fault? The moment we started haphazardly throwing the chain around is the moment me and cakez both got down to the bottom two. I'm not gonna chainsit but I need a few things before I pass it.

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Things I'm wondering

1) Now that spring is no longer chainleader what did she gain out of her authoritarian rule last game and why did she come to the conclusions she did?
2) actually that's about it, besides a few other things

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Because if I wasted it then I'd never get to use it again

Luckily, you should be grateful I did given the fact I've been given some pretty new cool info, and how my role will get stronger as time goes on if I'm reading things correctly

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Can you not kill my thunder

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I appreciate the concern but as someone apart of the fail quiz you should start telling me who you think is the most likely.

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Anyways I'm feeling spicy

The answer is 4

There are 4 people who participate the quiz this time. I assume this number goes down as less people are alive or the more chainleaders occur. What this means is that my role gets better over time and as the game goes on I can deadlock a positive outcome. This however makes Beeboy's negative utility worse the more the game lingers on however.

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Dunn did you hammer me as chainleader before pass/fail? How did the vote exactly work in relation to pass/fail of the quiz? Because ABR does make a point that if scum was on the quiz they'd be shooting themselves in the foot for no reason

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Did that close the PT?

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DO NOT DARE PUT YOURSELF IN THE QUIZ TEAM UNWND

Do you think I'm that egotistical, I'm just hoping eventually you'll realize I'm town lol

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The fact that we somehow OK'd a chainleader also being on the quiz was already nasty precedent and it should never happen again

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DO NOT DARE PUT YOURSELF IN THE QUIZ TEAM UNWND

Do you think I'm that egotistical, I'm just hoping eventually you'll realize I'm town lol

So you can switch a fail to a pass or if they vote pass it stays a pass?

I genuinely didn't think of this strategy but I still remain a humble and gentle man

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DO NOT DARE PUT YOURSELF IN THE QUIZ TEAM UNWND

Do you think I'm that egotistical, I'm just hoping eventually you'll realize I'm town lol

So you can switch a fail to a pass or if they vote pass it stays a pass?

I genuinely didn't think of this strategy but I still remain a humble and gentle man

Explain your ability again.

Before the phase ends I choose a player, that player's vote will be proxy'd by my own for Pass/Fail

Read what I was talking about in #1538, beeboy should as well

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Before the phase ends I choose a player, that player's vote will be proxy'd by my own for Pass/Fail

Read what I was talking about in #1538, beeboy should as well

thats ridiculous to not have used it yesterday YOU SHOULD HAVE USED IT

If I put on someone who was already passing it'd just register as a pass, so if I misplayed the utility would be lost

I don't claim to be a god at this game, I was not confident in myself to make the right choice

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Anyone who suggests to be put on the team is not getting on the team for tonight

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When it comes to the how/what of last night I just like assuming nothing because talking about it further usually gives scum info either way. If they know what happened-- then they're just going to act on that impulse. If they don't know what happened? They're going to look into what people are saying and their reaction to it. A lack of a kill for scum doesn't make sense to me frankly, given the BP mechanic.

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The way I see town using the quiz is basically a risk-reward system. I think it is a tool that gives us information at the cost of being wrong about an initial read. I did not like the way Spring went about the other day because her position was entirely systematic. I may be just a different player but I think discourse should be natural and people will eventually talk about the things that are important to them. The people they trust and don't trust. I haven't read back yet but I still want spring to tell me what came of her chainleader rule and how it's affecting her reads. In terms of other players, I am in no way letting midway on the team, and would like to see him later down the chain if not lynched today

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Right now my read on the quizzies looks something like this

Farside
Dunn
Springlulluaby
Starbuck
Raya

I like dunn's initiative right now and I was already tilting my head at Raya, infact I recall asking why people townread her and getting zero feedback. This is old gripes but whatever

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Another thing that I've been thinking about is the idea that two scum can be on the quiz. Does anyone think this occurred? There isn't a way to check how many fails were submitted but I'm not ruling out the possibility entirely.

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what about the chain can I ask for that?

Yeah but are you gonna speedchain it? You're the easy chainpick for sure. What do you think about the way the chain was passed earlier? Farside I see your point about Me+Beeboy and forcing a pass from beeboy and have thought about doing this

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That would make no sense given that a least one chain leader is BP during that night/day. I wouldn't be surprised if the mod created a day vig or will be having a day vig ability as a prize at some point.

Hmm, what? These two sentences aren't contradictory.

The BP serves as protection against potential maf kill.

The prerequisite conditions are :
- previous chain-leader is not scum
- the quiz team is selected correctly
- the quiz team decides correctly

A potential vig is, as far as I can tell, obtained via quiz.

The prerequisite conditions are :
- the selecting chain-leader is not scum
- the quiz team is selected correctly
- no tempering of the quiz via pr

What you are suggesting, if I understand correctly, is that NK/DK from mafia would be counterbalanced by vig.
BUT the conditions to obtain a vig are too hard to correctly accomplish against pre-existing NK/DK, so it does not balance out.

But if you consider that NK/DK are both obtained via the same mechanism for scum, or town, then it balances out perfectly.

Unwnd should definitely be on the quiz team, I don't see how that is debatable.
-If town this is good.
-If scum he'll be able to put a buddy on anyway.
And considering the chainleader was selected to lead town not be tested.


My biggest scumread is Albert. I don't see town asking for an entirely new group since then it'll just fail to a different scum. And overall his attitude about the game doesn't come off as natural.
Of the people on the quiz I scumread starbuck, but that read isn't really compatible with the Albert one.

I never got the chance to prod you at all yesterday and I don't know how you play. Your passiveness bothered me initially and I see that you basically have a contained playstyle. Humor and go through the motions of your read on me as you were quick to decide that I was scum and now you've reluctantly backed up.

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My ABR thought is confusing, his tone is pure to me and I love his energy but then he fucks off and makes posts like #1633 that make me doubt myself as I find scum have a tendency to bitch about things like setup/whatever to fill in the holes between not needing to put in more delicate effort. That isn't the only post, it's just odd behaviors that makes me feel like ABR isn't thinking about the outcomes of what he's doing, just saying it.

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I'll be back with thoughts. Just a bit busy tonight and was at work earlier. Filler post.

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I've read into some of the things being said and I agree with the initiative of them but am feeling a bit selfish. First and foremost, I think the beeboy+me combo quiz is fine, but another thing I saw talked about was rerunning the same team? I think this is something that should be considered farther down the line instead of now. For example, if Starbuck+Raya+Farside happen to all be alive I would be interested in seeing that team going again. I'm not sure when the numbers thin out for quizzes but it is inevitable.

It's not that I'm against listening to people's suggestions or that I'll be doing my own thing, it's just that I might be exercising a bit more caution then I need to. Where I am right now is that I want fresh faces, and I may do something in the next post that may shock some people.

An open question: If spring is scum do you think she tries to sneak a scum member in unnoticed? I've touched on this topic but I'm not getting many hits. Probably twice now?

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VOTE: Quiz Team Of: unwnd, TrueSoulEnergy, NDMath, Pink Ball

My reasoning is as follows: In conjunction with the plan that was described earlier, I want to use this quiz as a process of elimination. NDMath is a player who I've remained unsure of. TrueSoulEnergy has been jumping up and downa bout NDMath being basically confirmed town. That relationship to me is interesting in light of NDMath perpetually ignoring this. I want to see how they would act in an environment (or potentially) that they have to work together. I also wonder if locking NDMath into a room will get him to open up a bit more. I also think that this team is controversial. Good. If scum is just following town's directions all they have to do is nod their head and agree. I don't agree with The Plan because yesterday we followed a plan and it fell flat on our faces. I hope this plan frustrates or excites you, because I will be looking into each individual reaction.

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Now that I've proposed a team, I want everyone to tell me who I should proxy my vote on tonight.

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VOTE: Quiz Team Of: unwnd, TrueSoulEnergy, NDMath, Pink Ball

My reasoning is as follows: In conjunction with the plan that was described earlier, I want to use this quiz as a process of elimination. NDMath is a player who I've remained unsure of. TrueSoulEnergy has been jumping up and downa bout NDMath being basically confirmed town. That relationship to me is interesting in light of NDMath perpetually ignoring this. I want to see how they would act in an environment (or potentially) that they have to work together. I also wonder if locking NDMath into a room will get him to open up a bit more. I also think that this team is controversial. Good. If scum is just following town's directions all they have to do is nod their head and agree. I don't agree with The Plan because yesterday we followed a plan and it fell flat on our faces. I hope this plan frustrates or excites you, because I will be looking into each individual reaction.

Why did you not put beeboy in there?

Because beeboy is right that it doesn't matter if he's there or not. I think proxy'ing him would be a waste because I can pretty much proxy anyone I want to. I understand increasing our odds but for me we have numbers to still play with therefore I want to take risks.

[unwnd]

VOTE: Quiz Team Of: unwnd, TrueSoulEnergy, NDMath, Pink Ball

My reasoning is as follows: In conjunction with the plan that was described earlier, I want to use this quiz as a process of elimination. NDMath is a player who I've remained unsure of. TrueSoulEnergy has been jumping up and downa bout NDMath being basically confirmed town. That relationship to me is interesting in light of NDMath perpetually ignoring this. I want to see how they would act in an environment (or potentially) that they have to work together. I also wonder if locking NDMath into a room will get him to open up a bit more. I also think that this team is controversial. Good. If scum is just following town's directions all they have to do is nod their head and agree. I don't agree with The Plan because yesterday we followed a plan and it fell flat on our faces. I hope this plan frustrates or excites you, because I will be looking into each individual reaction.

The only one I'm not happy with is NDMath but I can get behind trying to get him to speak more with this method.
Explain how this team will help with PoE

I think that trying to stack the deck in our favor right now is the wrong choice. We have plenty of mislynches and plenty of chains to get through. From what I understand, TSE/ND are both talked about players but always seem to be missing the brunt of discussion. I also want to see each retrospective reaction to being a team with one another.

[unwnd]

Deny

booo run back the quiz / keep some old members.
NDmath is asking for a failed attempt.

I don't like him either, but I want to figure out if it's because I'm right or if he's just weird.

[unwnd]

I'm not sure when the numbers thin out for quizzes but it is inevitable.

unwnd what did you mean by this?

I'm pretty sure the number for amount of people on the quiz goes down as the game goes on.

[unwnd]

The night isn't long. What if NDMath fails to even PM the mod

Spoiler:

I want to proxy him

[unwnd]

So I just asked the mod something and I think this is important to state

Being on the quiz does

NOT

make you immune to being lynched by chain.

[unwnd]

So I just asked the mod something and I think this is important to state

Being on the quiz does

NOT

make you immune to being lynched by chain.

You're asking the wrong questions.
Being lynched by not being on the quiz still fails the quiz.

So you're still giving NDMath lynch immunity if we play smart.

Yeah she just gave that to me. My brain was working(?) and I was wondering if I could game the system a bit I guess.

[unwnd]

he Chainleader will also nominate a group of players to go on a quiz. Players can vote to approve or deny this pairing. If the group is denied the chain leader must make a new team.

This team can always be denied by the way, and I can always fall back on me+beeboy. It's not just trying to get the others to interact with each other, it's also the room's response to the quiz, along with the people selected.

[unwnd]

I know I said I wasn't going to chainsit but I want to see more responses to the quiz before I pass the chain. The problem we made last time is that we passed the chain before the quiz was finalized, and then somehow people were compliant and said 'oh we can't lynch them'.

Things will be different.

[unwnd]

@unwnd bring us chain movement!!!

I was waiting to see if the quiz was going to pass or fail.

[unwnd]

Approve quiz team

If you disagree then vote now instead of later. Once the vote has gone through either way I willl pass the chain.

[unwnd]

yeah, let's decide the team after handing the chain. The current team doesn't really seem appealing, and unwnd's reasoning for it is iffy.

Deny team

Why? We can't lynch the 4 people who are in the quiz. I again am repeating myself but I don't want to see a repeat of yesterday, where the people passed the chain in lieu of these people being on the quiz.

[unwnd]

Wait I'm thinking backwards.

Honestly, the first pass doesn't really matter in hindsight. That makes it more boring for me.

Pass chain to: beeboy

I'm a little tired from working on something today but I am paying attention to responses to the quiz so far. I have another open question to people: Do you think that scum are more likely to approve of quizzes they are proposed on? Is there any tell for the people who have denied the quiz so far?

[unwnd]

If the result is WIFOM then to what end do the quiz people nominated matter?

[unwnd]

Doing a big stupid write up that nobody will read when i get home.

[unwnd]

I didn't get to my writeup yet (I was tired from work) but

>farside22>Starbuck>Raya36>

Raya36>farside22>Starbuck

This is just uncanny.

[unwnd]

OK. It's time to consolidate my thoughts. The quiz being denied is not shocking to me. I am somewhat glad it did not go through because I mostly put in players I (mostly) distrust. Why do that you may ask? Because for one I have the ability to be wrong. NDMath didn't seem too shocked by any going on. He pretty much has no pulse. Pink Ball also seems very resigned to the thread right now, then you have TSE who is tooting his own horn at all times. If you had to give a name to our quiz team you could probably give it like The Outcasts. Players outside the realm of influence. Maybe smell a bit weird. Maybe have some apathy about them. Something kinda twitch or defining characteristic that makes them not normal. Midwaybear is especially prone to this, getting a good amount of grief from most of the people here. I think fundamentally his actions are scummy and regardless of this I would still like to see him in the bottom two. I recall trying to understand his position but I think it has become a feigned ignorance instead of a characteristic if that makes sense.

Approve(4)- TrueSoulEnergy, Raya36, Titus, unwnd

Decline(5)- beeboy, farside22, midwaybear, Starbuck, Dunn

Not voting:(4)- Dunnstral Pink Ball, NDmath, , springlullaby

Right now I see the game at an impasse. What's strange to me being in a position where I sorta don't have to worry about dying (this phase) is that there is clear collaboration from certain players. You can see it in chain order from D1 and D2. That being Raya, Starbuck, and Farside. Do I think this comprises of the full team? Not really. I think that the answer is probably a bit more complicated. What gives me pause is the fact I clearly remember those two bickering on D1 and I don't really know if it was fully resolved? Then you have Raya who mostly is compliant. The result of the wagon is more interesting than the way it formed. From what I saw most people did not trust TSE and NDMath. Fine. Reasonable. When it comes to TSE I am resigned to the fact I would be fine with him being lynched but I don't think it's the right call. NDMath feels like he goes either way, but I'd feel pretty frustrated if he was town. When it comes to Farside I've had a vague townread on her and then with Starbuck despite the transgrsesions she's had with TSE I believe that they play a bit similarly. Unwavering and unwilling to change. It's sort of hard to read which is why I think the definitive answer will come with time. I had a thought that ABR was bussing Starbuck but now I don't particularily feel that way anymore. Titus isn't really acting in a way that seems like a co-opted plan, especially not to starbuck. The aggression from ABR has been replaced with more of a laid-back approach which I think reveals itself more as time goes on.

I'm just going to put this here and say that I'd like to give titus a chance. I had a conflicting read on ABR that went from 'townie by convinction' to 'possibly faking it cause his direction was nonsensical and didn't seem to follow any pattern.' Titus seems more grounded so I think I'd like a chance to read it. In terms of everyone else? They sit in this ambiguous gray area which probably contains one scum but I don't see them being pushed right now.

[unwnd]

It just occurred to me I completely forgot about springlullaby. I don't really like her and I think that she's run out of things to say. The times she's come in it's with a TI-80 calculator to talk about deductions or spreadsheets or something. I am honestly fucking terrible at reading these type of players but I digress

[unwnd]

here's my tldr,

Me
Beeboy
Farside
TSE
--
Dunn
PBall
Titus
NDmath
Springlullaby
--
Raya
Starbuck
midway


I have too much ambiguous gray and the bottom 3 are not what I consider the team. I think that I'm probably wrong about one of my townreads and then a lot of those grays really need to be sorted out sooner rather than later.

[unwnd]

In terms of the next quiz, I'll think it over. I am open to suggestions on the next one.

[unwnd]

I fail to understand what you're doing but you're at least more active than NDmath, what are your thoughts right now?

[unwnd]

Or just say nothing that's cool too

[unwnd]

I actually understand your disposition midway. I also just think it is a convenient one to make.

[unwnd]

Do you think that the hivemind is simply misguided then? I don't remember you caring much about NDMath was doing until it became a point of people not really liking him and being one of on the chopping block. This isn't meant to point your own argument back at you, but my problem with you right now is that are simply commenting on events instead of being involved with them. NDMath coming in to show his face and do the same thing he's done is not really you taking a proactive stance on quelling your concerns with him, rather you are making posts without specifically a reason to make them.

[unwnd]

Do you think that the hivemind is simply misguided then? I don't remember you caring much about NDMath was doing until it became a point of people not really liking him and being one of on the chopping block. This isn't meant to point your own argument back at you, but my problem with you right now is that are simply commenting on events instead of being involved with them.

Yes, it is definitely misguided. Quiz team had scum yesterday for sure, and the reason nobody died was either because of some unknown PR or scum gambitting. You just let the townread people from Day 1 coast without doing anything much D2. Yes, I didn't really care about ND, but I am actually getting concerned that the consensus seems to be that he is town/null.
As for your last sentence, how am I not involved? I don't get that.

I just feel like I'm not getting a definitive answer from you. It's fine to not be confident, but it seems like you're keeping reads up to revision whenever it suits the best possible outcome. A lot of I don't knows and I'm not sure yet suddenly your brain starts to figure things out the moment a bit of ire comes your way. Even now you say scum team had scum for sure yet the thought is unfinished. You're not involved because it's really not that hard to just, comment on things. It's an open thread, a lot of people can do the work for you. It's not necessarily scum indicative to take a backseat but I don't feel like you're really processing anything. It just sort of happens. Then you respond when you need to. If you're outside of the social circle then I'd assume you are against them in some sort of way, yet you seem so willing to let them be wrong? Does it not bother you if you disagree with the direction of the thread?

[unwnd]

I just feel like I'm not getting a definitive answer from you. It's fine to not be confident, but it seems like you're keeping reads up to revision whenever it suits the best possible outcome. A lot of I don't knows and I'm not sure yet suddenly your brain starts to figure things out the moment a bit of ire comes your way. Even now you say scum team had scum for sure yet the thought is unfinished. You're not involved because it's really not that hard to just, comment on things. It's an open thread, a lot of people can do the work for you. It's not necessarily scum indicative to take a backseat but I don't feel like you're really processing anything. It just sort of happens. Then you respond when you need to. If you're outside of the social circle then I'd assume you are against them in some sort of way, yet you seem so willing to let them be wrong? Does it not bother you if you disagree with the direction of the thread?

What is the question you want answered?
Maybe I haven't really been being proactive. That's a fair point, but I do think I also try to move discussion to new areas(like attacking ND and giving my TRs). Also, you know it's harder to contribute when everybody is against you right(at least for me)?
How do I seem willing to let the group think continue?? have you been reading my posts? smh

I literally went to ISO you not even 15 minutes ago. My point I was making is that your response to suddenly care about ND when the pressure is on is contrived. I also find it strange how you're just sorta agreeing you're being scummy BUT it doesn't matter cause you happen to be town.

[unwnd]

Raya is someone who I've struggled to pin down since the moment I replaced in. I think her posts are a bit more refined than your own but come from the same place. Only Raya seems smart enough to give the illusion of being helpful. She's seemed to cling onto Starbuck/Farside especially. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if it's just a situation where two scum are engaging one townie in the same way. I also wouldn't be shocked if it's just one but that's my paranoia speaking about two of them.

[unwnd]

tbh Dunns reasoning to pass the chain to NDMath gives me severe w/w pings. He never mentioned concerns about NDMath before, and then he just passed the chain out of the blue due to fear of "lurker lynch"
mmm
pedit: Titus, you probably are. It's just that I don't really like how ABR was playing. You've been meh ig(but you didn't reread).

Yes his reasoning is not sensible but I dug what he was doing earlier (and then he proceeded to just go do his own thing). This game has too many people all seemingly doing their own thing and then a vocal majority figuring things out inbetween their ramblings. It's hard to read.

[unwnd]

This game has too many people all seemingly doing their own thing and then a vocal majority figuring things out inbetween their ramblings. It's hard to read.

let's make a townblock or something

OK do you not realize the ""townblock"" has already been set in stone and before I nominated Me, NDMath, Pink Ball and TSE they were basically going to run the same quiz team? lol

[unwnd]

This is why I have a problem with things right now. If the scum just comprises of people who are simply struggling to keep up with town then It'd feel like a hollow victory. It all seems too easy.

[unwnd]

I think she was being sarcastic, which begs the question what her problem with my post was

[unwnd]

I think she was being sarcastic, which begs the question what her problem with my post was

I wasn't being sarcastic. Raya/Farside/Starbuck reads like an all town block scum are desperate to shade.

That is honestly a very disappointing take from your end, I just don't think why you think this situation is normal in light of us just coming back from a failed quiz. Like, maybe you missed hte memo? There is one scum between Raya/Farside/Starbuck/Spring/Dunn who were all on the quiz. I've read into Beeboy's theory about scum being able to fuck with results but that goes against my own role and I think it'd be boring setup design to have a pure counter to each role present.

[unwnd]

Also why would you approve of the quiz if you think it had scum on it? This is news to me.

[unwnd]

Also why would you approve of the quiz if you think it had scum on it? This is news to me.

are you talking to me? I fell victim to the group think Day 1.

Well, no

But if you want it to apply to you as well then ????

[unwnd]

There is one scum between Raya/Farside/Starbuck/Spring/Dunn who were all on the quiz

You just speculated that two scum could be in R/F/Starbuck. Now, you seem certain there's only one.

There's nothing preventing scum from being in Spring/Dunn.

Oh I absolutely agree though? I'm coming off this a bit taken aback by what you've said cause maybe you mistranslated it.

[unwnd]

Beeboy, you suggested something that caught my attention a bit earlier. Something about running back a team? And that you wanted to deny the quiz because of it?

[unwnd]

unwnd (5)- unwnd >beeboy>Raya36>farside22>Starbuck

Chainless:(7)- Titus, Dunnstral Pink Ball, , NDmath, TrueSoulEnergy, midwaybear,

OK. SO now that the quiz has been denied we can have three options.

1) A quiz team of 4 from the chainless
2) A quiz team of 2 who are chained, and 2 who are not.
3) Run back 2 of the same people from the last quiz, along with 2 new ones.

Me personally, I don't want to run back the same people if that's not evident. This makes Dunn and Spring not eligible for the first option. For option 1, I assume most people would agree with Me, Beeboy, xx, xx. For the second option, those eligible would be Pink Ball, TrueSoulEnergy, midwaybear and Titus. The problem with the second option is that two of those players were already denied, so I doubt that anyone would agree to option number 2. Option 3 is feasible, but I will only agree to the terms based on consensus.

[unwnd]

I just realized 2 and 3 sort of intertwine, given that 2 of the chained were on the last quiz and 2 of them were not. The only people who aren't chained right now are Dunn/Spring (from last quiz).

Would still like thoughts.

[unwnd]

The problem with running me+beeboy is that I cannot guarantee the other two people will simply pass, and then beeboy is never allowed to be on the quiz again. Beeboy is a slot scum

wants

to keep around. This is my problem just going with me+Beeboy because then you have a giant hole and scum has more room to sneak in when it's going to count more. This is the time to be risky and be willing to make a mistake.

[unwnd]

Would you be willing to be on a team with spring and yourself? Would you ever deny a quiz if you felt like someone on the team was scum, or would you take that chance and see if your read was wrong?

[unwnd]

See that's where I see the power in the quiz personally? Especially now. But people don't see it that way. They want me to pick townie players. OK. Who? I want to go into that ambiguous gray I was talking about because then it can be less gray based on results.

[unwnd]

See that's where I see the power in the quiz personally? Especially now. But people don't see it that way. They want me to pick townie players. OK. Who? I want to go into that ambiguous gray I was talking about because then it can be less gray based on results.

This game has no consensus town reads so this just doesn't work.

It's almost like we agree and spring saying to just pick townie players is bad.

[unwnd]

I just realized 2 and 3 sort of intertwine, given that 2 of the chained were on the last quiz and 2 of them were not. The only people who aren't chained right now are Dunn/Spring (from last quiz).

Would still like thoughts.

To summarize (I can find any relevant long posts)

*long post on how easy it is to turn 1 successful group to a game with only successes by picking the same people over and over*
*long post on how a 1 shot tamper makes that fair for scum, 2 tampers is too strong*
*long post on how you being shot despite being BP could imply the above was used*

By using the same people we know scum can''t have 2 tampers so 2 fails = scum in the group.
Or scum is forced to hit pass for us and we win the power role, either outcome is $$$$$

I'm stupid and spell a quiz team out for me with this in mind. I don't really want Dunn or Spring, I think I would like to see them down the chain more.

[unwnd]

I fail to understand what you're doing but you're at least more active than NDmath, what are your thoughts right now?

Or just say nothing that's cool too

Hi. I'd like to hear what you think about the next quiz group, I think we should sort that out asap.

I think there's scum in Raya/Starbuck, leaning Raya. I think Spring is town. I'm not sure on Midway, not really scumreading him. Titus looks like Scum.

When I asked Pink Ball if he was approving or denying the quiz he gave me a nonanswer which is kind of sus, though the post was fine

You think spring is town? Why? Why did you deny the quiz in the first place?

[unwnd]

I just realized 2 and 3 sort of intertwine, given that 2 of the chained were on the last quiz and 2 of them were not. The only people who aren't chained right now are Dunn/Spring (from last quiz).

Would still like thoughts.

To summarize (I can find any relevant long posts)

*long post on how easy it is to turn 1 successful group to a game with only successes by picking the same people over and over*
*long post on how a 1 shot tamper makes that fair for scum, 2 tampers is too strong*
*long post on how you being shot despite being BP could imply the above was used*

By using the same people we know scum can''t have 2 tampers so 2 fails = scum in the group.
Or scum is forced to hit pass for us and we win the power role, either outcome is $$$$$

I'm stupid and spell a quiz team out for me with this in mind. I don't really want Dunn or Spring, I think I would like to see them down the chain more.

Unwnd, Farside, Starbuck, Raya.
Assuming your town and we ignore Dunn and Spring this is the only group that fits my strat within your requirements.

It's sort of running back the old quiz team but whatever I'm game.

Propose quiz team of: Unwnd, Farside, Starbuck, Raya

[unwnd]

Approve quiz team

Let's see this go through. Another deny is proscum IMO.