Mini Normal 2146: Cute Pets Game Over, Town wins

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Heya. I'll catch up on this throughout the day when I'm not wrangling a toddler.

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It's apparently not painfully obvious. I'm not a vig.

Why would you do this? What reaction tells did you get from your stunt?

This was my exact thought when I saw 38.

Isn't the N1 vig claim a meme claim? It doesn't really look serious to me tbh

VOTE: vote: Gypyx
Angling for claimed PR lynch.

CoolDog, could you explain how Gypx was angling to lynch a claimed PR here?

What the fuck has changed in the four years since I last played because lol this is not the first page and a half I expected.

What did you expect?

i dont think i'll be RVSing today. maybe tomorrow

Flippy! Fantastic entrance as always.

VOTE: Gypyx

Why this vote?

Weird set of things to care about responding to at this point. It feels like gobble wanted to look like he was doing

something

but didn't have what he felt was the proper material.

are y'all just the scum team.? ..you can tell me if you are

Blehhhh

Also not a fan of CooLDog attempting to frame Gryp. I want to hear a proper answer to #47 too.

This feels towny. I can't quite phrase why, but it feels like a genuine probe - I buy that this is a town thought process.

I'm agreeing with almost everything CooLDoG says.
On Page 4 gobble and notscience have a back and forth for a while, and I don't get much of anything from it, and that annoys me considering they're providing most of the content up to this point. Notscience's points all feel really... distant? Like gobble earlier, he feels really interested in showing content but is grasping at straws a bit.
Hiraki's NS vote syncs up with what I'd have done at that point.

Ok so my thoughts are that I would expect town who believes the claim to go, ok cool good to know. It's bit wifom-y so imma leave it to later or just err on the side of randomness.

Scum however I would expect to look at it as part of the puzzle to solve. As if it is true it can mess with their play / be used as a tool to hide behind. Especially since that was immediately where CD's thoughts went. I think if you think, how can scum use this it would generally be a pretty strong indicator that you are scum.

I expected people to at least attempt to read between the lines but whatever I can spell everything out.

I however on the opposite side don't like this weird as chainsaw shit going on with gobbles either, so there's that too.

I don't agree with this, but I can easily see it coming from town.

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kid screaming this is as far as I got, bbl.
I'd appreciate if no one hammered before I'm caught up

[Klick]

I'll have a bit of time for this in a couple of hours.

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should be back tomorrow or the day after. I can't play this game on the phone. It blows too hard

I play Mafia like 99% on my phone. I feel like I play a lot better on my phone than on my laptop.

I'm up to like Page 10 in my notes. I'm getting rather invested - this game was a lot more full of decent content early on than my past few games. I'll try to go faster

[Klick]

Spoiler: thoughts up to page 12

I've been working on this for like 6 hours on and off while looking after a screaming child lol. Eating dinner now, gonna post what I have and come back to it after.

I think PranaDevil reminds me of how Bellaphant plays. I wonder if it's just an English thing.

I kinda like these posts from Agar here, even if the reasoning is quite weak, it looks like he's geniuenly beliving in what he's saying

and here, i'm kind of suspicious of the fact that gooble kind of sets himself up to be able to lurk later on, or at least not produce meaningful content

Gonna look into whatever completed games Gypyx has at some point, but these feel like standard newbtown observations. I vibe with the first one - that's the sort of stuff I tend to look for when finding townreada early on.

I'm not saying both of you are scum, but I feel like your early posting fits the bill of circling the most intense focus while still appearing to take part in it.
So far it's just a hunch, but I think Espeonage isn't far off from that same spot.

Today in 'doing what I'm accusing others of doing'...

Also- in your experience with hoopla how did the buddying start? Because I saw her reach out to me and was immediately suspicious for much of what I said in thread- it’s weird for someone to reach out to me like that when it’s my preferred play style. But her answer of similar styles being easy to read made a lot of sense as well as- if hoopla is scum- why worry about buddying me? Surely it sounds like more of you have more experience with her, it’d be much more beneficial to her to work on one of you than cater her play to me (if she would even know how to do it bc we haven’t played in forever)

I really didn't think Hoopla's interest in working with you early was that suspicious. I find it much more odd that you're being so weird about it, almost like Hoopla has you in an uncomfortable spot.

Seems like a hell of a way to prod-dodge the entire game and write it off as "I said I was doing this at the start of the game".

Do you think that what I have contributed so far is prod dodge worthy?

and here, i'm kind of suspicious of the fact that gooble kind of sets himself up to be able to lurk later on, or at least not produce meaningful content

Same question to you. Do you think my contributions so far are lurking contributions?

Yes.
To gobble's credit, I've played with him twice and he was scum both times, and I don't remember him being quite like this.

[quote="In post 149, I like gyphx's posts as of late. Clearly trying to scum hunt.[/quote]
CooLDoG again in the same place as me.

^what are your scum reads?

Espe and Gobble. Slight discomfort with Hoops?

This took a weird amount of time to respond to.

also question, are mafia traitors common in mini normals?

are y'all just the scum team.? ..you can tell me if you are

well then, this post looks really weird to me, might be another one of Flippy's joke posts, but it really stands out in his ISO

Lol. Yeah Gypyx is just town. I don't think there's much explanation for this other than him genuinely going through flippy's ISO and having this as a theory.

Hoopla, do you still townread notscience? He's pinging me as being overexplainey and kinda apologetic in tone. He's also mentioned your reason for townreading him is NAI.

My predecessor was smart

also question, are mafia traitors common in mini normals?

Mind sharing WHY you'd consider this a valid question?

A simple solution suggests that you KNOW there is a Traitor, and this was a signal.
Why else would one ever come to think of this?

It seemed like a sensible conclusion for Gypyx to come to to me.
This is a weird one though. If you're town, you'd have to be incapable of putting yourself in a newbie mindset. There's also little motivation for a scum member to signal

to

a Traitor. Unless you're trying to suggest Gypyx himself is a Traitor?

He already answered that question umbreonage and I’m in the same train of thought as you. I either thought signaling team or looking for one.

Mmmmmm. notscience coming in with the save.

Traitor discussion out of nowhere is a biiiig red flag. Without trying to delve too far into theorycrafting optimal traitor play, there is no town reason to bring this up in an accusation, but there’s plenty of reason to do so if you’re a traitor or if you know one is out there.

Town motivation = you think you're onto something.
Traitor motivation = you're letting your team know you're the Traitor.
Scumteam motivation = ???

Hoopla and gobble go on to have the correct opinion on the matter

I find PranaDevil's 214 hilarious. Not a huge fan of the lack of any real conclusion from most of what he says there, but he at least takes a stance on CooLDoG and I could see him just taking his time digesting the rest of what's happened into something that looks like reads. I'm looking for PD to have more solid opinions on the gamestate by the end of this catchup, and if not I'll be cross.

one thing i noticed in my rereads was this comment from prana:

Seems like a hell of a way to prod-dodge the entire game and write it off as "I said I was doing this at the start of the game".

UNVOTE:
VOTE: gobbledygook

i don't like this vote. one, because the turkey was contributing in his own way, consistently and eagerly. and two, this was only prana's third vote of the game. seems strange to be leery of someone

potentially

committing a lurking tell, even though he hadn't yet -- while he had only produced three posts himself.

This is the first thing Hoopla's posted that I'm not really getting. There's a pretty clear distinction from PD's perspective between gobble constructing a way to potentially contribute little all game and PD not having posted much yet.

A lot of AGar's analysis seems based on what would be objectively sensible town play, instead of what individual town would be likely to do (see: his scumread on Gypyx based on traitor speculation being something town wouldn't do). In my experience, this is a rather safe way for scum to contribute without stepping too much out of line. But it could also be a personality thing. Just makes it hard to get anywhere with an AGar read or sync up with any of his posts.

town blocs are still stupid and the only person you should trust is yourself

This is a bad opinion

Leaning town on Hoopla for her explanation of Gypyx-town in 229 matching my thoughts rather well.

AGar's 230 says a lot of words to say that Gypyx is a new-ish player who brought up the concept of a Traitor. There's a lot of presumptive reasoning in it in a way that I see from scum a lot more than town.
I'm not seeing town vibes from it at all, which makes me very confused by notscience insisting it's super town right after.

So many of notscience's reads are suuuuper flip-floppy. There's room for most of them to change on a dime. Just look at this post:

Agar town for the similarities in train of thought like I’ve mentioned before

Hoopla still leads town but that weird post hiraki mentioned still irks me a bit

I liked Renaissance’s entrance into the game but still want those reads explained

I’m tempted to townread hiraki but can’t really place what it is that makes me think that way?

I liked my interactions with una so far so leantown there

I still want an explanation from Espeonage about the damn night prep because he’s been ignoring that question multiple times which is sketchy as shit

LicketyQuickety is still in this game and I don’t think he’s even posted

Turkey I’ve resolved to give him a few more days and see what he does with the space he asked for earlier

I want to iso warmcat because I frankly struggle to remember what he’s done

I didn’t feel either way re prana

Nippy flips I don’t think has done anything either but I’m pretty sure someone said that’s par for the course for him

Gyp I still don’t have good feelings about the traitor thing for the reasons in my iso

The only read here that I feel couldn't change on a whim is AGar-town.

I just don’t get how a newbie pulls traitor spec out of their ass like that tbh

Exactly.
My questions might seem like a silly repeat on the surface level, but there was more to it than that.
The real questions is still "WHY".
I get it, their answer was sufficient enough for why they became suspicious and all, but WHY did they just drop that questions in the thread as it was?

At this point this feels like a rabbit trail that's easy to pursue in place of real scumhunting.

Ok, question, I see that no one has actually made any coments on the content of my read, apart from Flippy saying "yo that would be a sick traitor strat" so could anyone think about the read on it's own?

He wants people to engage in scumhunting with him and is annoyed that they aren't. This is town.
(Fwiw Gypyx: I don't think your flippy-Traitor theory holds much weight. It's certainly

possible

, but I have no problems with the statement coming from town!flippy either. If it's true, it requires a lot of assumptions and is worth thinking about much later instead of right now.)

It means you missed half the thread where CooLDoG got so hung up on the N1 Vig meme claim that he was pushing for it to be lynched day 2... I advise reading it.

The fact in later posts you've been town reading CooLDoG despite him literally trying to set up a day 2 lynch already is suspicious to me.

There are so many more things you could have opinions on at this point, and yet you're still hung up on this to the detriment of having other opinions.

You weren't in my scum list friendo

Currently I have cooldog and notsci as potential scum for going in to night prep immediately.

Yeah... this isn't a good look at all.

I'll happily shift to an Espeonage wagon, though I'm still super suspicious of CooLDoG for the earlier stuff so my vote stays there for the time being. Both are good wagons.

Alright, there's another opinion, but this seems to be the only context for it. There's no real evidence that PD scumreads Espe outside of this. It's either scum or rather lazy play.

Ok, so now that Lickety is posting these are my thoughts.

PranaDevil is town
Gypyx is town
Hiraki is town
CoolDog is town
Hoopla is town

Espeonage is scum
Agar is scum
Notscience is scum

CoolDog read is conditioned on something I don’t want t reveal right now.

Renaissance town too. I forgot

This is decently close to where I I am at this point in time. I'm not really seeing PD-town or Hiraki-town yet and I have a mild townread on Espe, but everything else adds up.

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I'll be summarising at the end when I've read the whole thread
What NS said irt my current unfinished thoughts though

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Middle of your work day is a valid excuse! Based on the surrounding posts I assumed you were just... around, and therefore the pause looked odd.

I'm up to page 21, I'll be finished in the next hour or two.

[Klick]

No, voting Hoopla is not allowed

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Spoiler: Catch-up - the rest

Espe is Scum based on a tell where they are recreating a systematic way to play as Scum. I'd dig for the game, but I don't feel like it right now... It was a LONG time ago.

This right after voting for Gypyx doesn't sit well with me.

everyone calling renaissance town might be the clear defining moment that these "town blocs" are absolute garbage - pass on whatever SR i have on hoopla -

renaissance is town?!?

the dude has been going along with the crowd with one-liners all game. how can you say that is definitively town??

Curious. I fail to see the town motivation in being ardently anti-townbloc - it doesn't accomplish anything to take apart townreads. I can see several angles where it's useful for scum to discredit it though.

Your vote is simply to "move to greener pastures" with absolutely no reason what so ever. It's like you vote, the wagon doesn't pick up, time to try and lead another wagon leveraging your town cred, let other people come up with reasons and then post facto agree with them and not offer your own explanation because you are "town hunting" this game. Reads as not want to commit to scum reads and pick easy popular town reads. My vote will stay here for a while....

Nahhh. Hoopla's town bloc was herself/renaissance/notscience/gobbles/Gypyx. You call that a list of 'popular' townreads? You're also picking at her lack of vote reasoning without engaging at all with the reasons she gives for these 'easy' townreads. I agreed pretty strongly with her line of thought on Gypyx in particular.

CooLDoG's 324 is a whole bunch of words to say 'I'm annoyed at everyone, but specifically Hoopla because I don't like her playstyle.'
And throughout the next two pages he goes on to post a lot of nonsense this contrasts a lot with his earlier play.

[~words about traitors~]

I can't recall what Una thinks about anything that isn't the Traitor Problem.

I agree with a lot of Hoopla's theory talk in 389 - not really relevant in a reads sense, but I do think towns should stop waiting until right before deadline before they're prepared to bring someone to claim.

Why does CooLDoG start making consistently terrible posts? He was doing so well earlier I'm trying to figure out what this means irt his alignment. I guess looking objectively at what he's doing, he goes full-on against Hoopla and proposes myself and Espe as her partners. It's a pretty awful scum list, and I think pushing for Hoopla specifically out of those three has some scum motivation if Hoopla is town (as Hoopla is a rather strong player from what I remember). The town motivation is a lot more... petty, and involves taking a lot of what he's saying at face value. I can see both. It's one of those things where I think I'd scumread CooLDoG more if he were a better town player than I think he is, which is annoying.

Emperor flippynips' check-in on Page 18 is decidedly uninspiring.

Plus I am not great early game. Never have been. I do better after a re-read and a lynch of two, where I can do some analysis. If you expect me to be coming out of the gates day one as some amazing super posting person.... you'll be disappointed.

Oh fucking hell, you are just Bellaphant. She's said this verbatim to me before.
This post though continues the trend of PranaDevil having some really surface-level reasons for scumreading people while spending a wall retelling the game in narrative fashion. 'flippyNips posted a bunch of small inconsequential posts in a row' isn't inspiring. I've played a couple of games with flippyNips and this is entirely to be expected from them.

That reads to me like a scum reaction. Una, you aren’t doing anything to get the person you’re voting lynched. Most of your posts are talking about Gypyx. Ergo talking a lot but not doing anything with your vote

Really good post. Sums up my thoughts on Una's slot as a whole well.

flippyNips looks bad on Page 19. He posted more substance almost as a direct response to getting heat for not doing good enough earlier. Every single post here seems to have

some

content, in total contrast with last page. Their vote-unvote of Gypyx in 456 and 458 feels like fake reconsideration.

well i don't really care for any of espeonage's post but nothing shouts scum in his iso to me, why are people sring him?

This is awfully noncommittal.

His night prep comment re me never happened and when questioned he first stalled answering then said he just roped me in there which shows he doesn’t care to divine my alignment which typically means he knows it

This is awfully convoluted.

So you're saying your strongest, most confident scumread is on me, but you decided to vote for 4 other players.

Scumfuck is a scumfuck is confirmed.

There's not a clear connection here between 'confusing behavior' and 'scum'. Dissonance isn't a scumtell.

Renaissance, Hoopla, CoolDog, Hiraki - what do you think of the fact that Una did:
...nothing to get notscience killed
...not vote anyone else on his shortlist after unvoting notscience

This is rather bad, I agree turkey.

Not really, no. I find it anti-town, for sure. But IME, lots of people are bad town players. So votes sit and rot because people don't wanna effort. Dominant personalities usually come in and direct shit and that's how things get done. Unless shit changed since I last played, I'm kinda just still hanging on to that notion.

See but this doesn't really add up with your perception of gobble being scum for what you see as bad play.

OMG! Me tooo! i look scummy af when im town. and touching on the people not going after their prefered lynch. i have no clue who i want to die, im trying to get townies first then i'll figure out who i want to kill.

i originally voted hoop for omgus lulz, but left it there cos it felt right & no one else has really given me bad vibes

Bad contrast between scumreading Hoopla and basically having the same game plan as her.

As for why I think they are s/s, partly my feeling that both are scum (let's be honest, this early in the game, there's less to go on regarding s/s interactions), but I do feel like Hoopla mentioned the lynching of the lurker slots, and then "pushed" Flippy who subsequently "fixes" their post counts, by spreading one post so thin that it became practically an entire page by itself...

This is better. It's also one of the things I observed irt flippyNips.

[Prana's] 10 posts have more content in them than the totality of Flippy's, which is why he's probably higher in my lynch list than you, and one of the reasons why i am promoting espeonage's wagon now.

I'm not actually sure this is a thing. Prana has posted a lot of

words

, but they've been largely descriptive - content is another story.

Hoopla is fun. I'm now wondering if Hoopla was one of the members of the Correspondence modding hydra that was around a year or so ago.

So preflip associations and scumreading others for actions you take yourself?

Interesting that you call gobble out for this, but not AGar.

that's right i did ask una why he's sring NS. i feel like im getting called out left & right for only memeing but i've asked plenty of questions that are just getting pushed aside as of rn by una since you've responded gobble

I guess I've missed that question then?
Sorry about that.

My initial scumread on notscience came about from their earliest interactions with/around Hoopla.
Hoopla was awkwardly(?) trying to build the first bridge, and I think notscience reacted in a suspicious manner.
My take on it was something a scum would likely do - not jumping at the thought and immediately hopping onboard the townbin, but trying to come across suspecting and hard to get.
Somehow I got the read that a scummie had to fake suspicions and paranoia towards Hoopla, because in reality they KNOW their alignment.

That feeling has somewhat passed, especially since I feel like there are better lynchoptions in the same "towngroup" from Hoopla now.
But whenever I reread those first interactions, I have a feeling notscience was putting on an act.

This is rather good, and still the biggest thing pinging me about notscience.
I don't really understand how/why Una has notscience as less scummy than the others in Hoopla's townbloc, though. Particularly my own slot.

Una's 519 goes back to giving me bad vibes. Una's scumreads line up

exactly

with Hoopla's townbloc, with everyone else going 'just below the null line' at worst. That's not natural town thought. He also has much more concrete reasons for suspecting all of notscience/Gypyx/gobble, but votes renaissance for elusive reasons.
I'm getting the vibe that if Una is scum, at least one of his partners is actually in Hoopla's townbloc. His vote has danced around enough in that group that there's something whack going on there.

Okay flip me then, ggs to scum

Plus scum doesn’t usually bounce around voting people or do stuff like that. They pick someone and hunker down for the most part. Doing what I did draws unwanted attention

This is scum.

VOTE: espe

Considering the mod posted that Espe was getting replaced very shortly before this vote, I find it odd. It's also a poor transition from voting gobble on the same page. Gobble didn't towntell particularly hard between the two votes, indicating the vote was weak in the first place. Notscience is blatantly coasting and it doesn't feel town-motivated.

VOTE: battle mage

pre-emptive OMGUS eh? I might hold fire on the rest of my read through until we can all agree I'm not being lynched today. Let's go team!

no, I just thought you were double backing on your vig claim from espe, meaning actually coming back and claiming it legitimately. THen i realized it makes sense to wait for d2 if that were the case.

I think I actually buy this, and it's a thought that comes from town.

Hoopla's Una vote is good. In general, I like what Hoopla is doing whenever she's doing it. She has flat-out claimed that she'd be going for optimal plays as town or scum, but I feel like the fact that we're seeing similar optimal plays to each other is a good sign.

The narrative surrounding Gypyx and the Traitor spec picks back up around Page 25. Gypyx feels like lynchbait supreme. Everyone wants to shoot token suspicion at Gypyx for it, but only Battle Mage is prepared to put his money where his mouth is this early. For how weak notscience's scumreads seem, I'd think he would push on Gypyx harder instead of keeping shade there while throwing his vote around without weight.

I have always been taught to respect my elders, but an early join date in itself clearly brings no wisdom.
Hoopla voting me based on intuition at this point is silly, and mind you - my take on his "towngroup" so far has been that Hoopla is just misguided town, and the scumsters are the ones enjoying the free buffet.

So you've reasserted this a few times now. Why do you believe it? Hoopla herself has said she plays very similarly to this as either alignment. Yet you've fairly consistently held her as 'misguided town'. Why do you townread Hoopla?
Actually looking back now, you don't list your read on Hoopla at all in 519...

Yeah... motivation right now isn't high.

I'm still happy with Flippy, Hoopla or the Turkey at this stage.

Welcome to our replacements too.

Sigh.

literally nothing happened in the last 5 pages

This is literally false. You wanna play a bit?

AGar feels the need to point this out, but not PranaDevil expressing the same sentiment.
(further down the page he does in fact push PD to join the gobble wagon.)

You're scum... but also some good points about needing to make some game forwarding votes.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: gobbledygook

Time for a roast dinner.

I can kinda see this from Prana!town's perspective. The gobble wagon is the sensible conclusion, as PD already suspects him and Hoopla is townreading him.

I think your fos is a good way to take a safe stance without using your vote

Relatable

See ya nerds. This is probably a town loss with how bad the town is

I’m not claiming.

Please don't do this.


I'm running out of steam, and skimming the last few pages they don't tell me all that much that doesn't fit into what I've already established in the rest of my read-through.

[Klick]

Yes.
To gobble's credit, I've played with him twice and he was scum both times, and I don't remember him being quite like this.

how would you describe his behaviour as scum in those two games?

In the first one he pretty explicitly played to not be listened to. He came in and posted a lot of activity stat-based thoughts that looked like content, but tbqh it seemed crazy to me. I passed it off as VI-town who was annoyed they weren't being taken seriously. He let town eat themselves alive while posting the token thought.
The other game was a bit of an odd one setup-wise, so in hindsight it probably doesn't mean much.

The main difference I see is that here it's a lot more question-based without a show of producing content. I don't get the sense that turkey cares whether I think he's doing something useful.

Klick are you townreading me yet

No

[Klick]

To summarize my thoughts on each player:

Gypyx: My top townread. Lynchbait supreme. The traitor stuff is legit, and he's trying to scumhunt and getting frustrated that it's not working.
CooLDoG: Probably town. I buy that he believes what he believes at key moments. Questionable at times in quick succession, but I suspect that's just CooLDoG.
gobbledygook: He feels town to me. Occasionally I sync up with where he's at pretty well. He doesn't feel like scum!gobble. Turkey is also prime lynchbait.
Hoopla: Doing good things for this game. Shouldn't be lynched today and is >rand town.
Battle Mage: Espe was towny. I reeeally liked 99. Battle Mage himself is... fine? Looking forward to developing this more.

PranaDevil: I'm not getting enough content, and what's there is surface-level. If I can catch you online at the same time as me sometime soon, I'd love to chat about the game.
AGar: Like a more aggressive, active, detailed version of Prana. Your stances feel safe even though they're stated strongly. I want to find you suspicious but I suspect a lot of what I'm seeing is personality.
bob3141: who???

Hiraki: Meh. Getting mostly nothings from him. I find myself opposed to his stances and not really understanding where he's coming from. I'm hoping to see this change soon. I'd be fine with getting some pressure here.
UnaBombaH: Feels fake. His read on Gypyx felt safe. His read on my slot felt odd in comparison to the other slots he had more solid reason to suspect. Could easily be scum.
notscience: I haven't seen a single reason to townread you, and I feel like I should have. You've been remarkably noncommittal while technically being a presence in the game. I'd lynch here happily.
Emperor flippyNips: Why isn't this dead yet? He started posting content specifically in response to being called out for not posting content. Political reads, really poor defense, all around just scum.

VOTE: Emperor flippyNips

Going to sleep for now, talk to you all tomorrow.

[Klick]

I'm drunk and today has been awful and I'm really not in the mood for this. Gonna think about this more tomorrow. Soz.
Heres the first bit of a post I wrote much earlier today:

UNVOTE:

The role is probably real, and it's worth getting the night action out of him tonight.

Hiraki: Meh. Getting mostly nothings from him. I find myself opposed to his stances and not really understanding where he's coming from. I'm hoping to see this change soon. I'd be fine with getting some pressure here.

hey, what wagon are you on? who is currently in the front there?

I actually had no idea you were voting flippyNips because the last thing you said about his content was in your second post. You've talked plenty about your other two scumreads, but voted flippyNips without a single word about it.

Curious. I fail to see the town motivation in being ardently anti-townbloc - it doesn't accomplish anything to take apart townreads. I can see several angles where it's useful for scum to discredit it though.

You fail to see the town motivation in having an opinion? Can understand why it might be a bit touchy talking about your predecessor!

It's a scummy opinion. You don't accomplish anything as town by being against it. Like, yay, Hoopla's town reads should be null reads and they shouldn't be cooperating...? Now what?

[Klick]

VOTE: UnaBombaH

[Klick]

Battle Mage: Espe was towny. I reeeally liked 99. Battle Mage himself is... fine? Looking forward to developing this more.

????????????????????????? this is upper echelon so a town read??????????

also why is that everyone who is "lynchbait" is at the top of your list? scum =/= lynchbait?

I'm at least leaning town on Espeslot and wouldn't want to lynch there today, yeah. 99 was that good. Admittedly I don't have much else to base that read on. But it's better than everyone below.

Gypyx and gobble aren't town because they're lynchbait, though admittedly I imagine there's some correlation between being VI-like and being read as obvtown. Besides, I have 5 townreads and the ones that I listed as 'lynchbait' are numbers 1 and 3. I've admitted that numbers 4 and 5 aren't that strong.

Also, to quote your signature phrase: why does this matter???

The traitor stuff is legit, and he's trying to scumhunt and getting frustrated that it's not working.

disregarding the first part, why can't scum also be frustrated with "scumhunting" that isn't working? because he's new?

This is based in the fact that scum have to fake scumhunting, while town are legitimately trying to solve the game. Scum have no reason to get frustrated that they're getting ignored - getting ignored is generally good for scum. They don't need to be listened to, they just need to not be lynched. And if they're frustrated that they aren't being listened to, they're probably more frustrated with their scum play than their town play, and thus the game thread isn't their go-to place to vent that frustration.

Town are trying to find scum and hear from other town. If they're getting ignored, they're not accomplishing their goal. That's frustrating.

[Klick]

I'm writing a response to you right now

[Klick]

One trend from Cooldog’s gameplay I’ve noticed thus far (149) is it seems very integral on optimal townplay- which is both good and bad. On the one hand it makes his life (if scum) harder, but it allows pretty easy reads to hide behind too.

I feel like CooLDoG is on another planet when it comes to his view of optimal town play. I do feel like his perception of the game is complex enough that it's probably not fake though. His Hoopla read is easy, but some of his peripheral comments have felt genuine (see 602 and my thoughts on it earlier).

I feel like I have the same 'optimal play' criticism of AGar though. And reading further into your read-through you seem to feel the same way. Except I don't see the same depth of play from AGar that I do from CooLDoG.

I don't really understand your Hiraki townread beyond 'I agree with what he's saying a lot'. You mention 411, but I don't think I agree that that couldn't come from scum. It was approached from a removed perspective similarly to how Hoopla presented it, almost academically, and feels a bit like busy work to me. From someone who has continually said 'why does this matter?' I question why he felt the need to go in-depth at that particular moment. The motives of the post itself were to question why my slot was read as town, which for obvious reasons doesn't inspire me with confidence.

I'd be fine-ish with a Prana wagon starting up. I have problems with the amount of words he's produced versus the actual content he's provided. I do feel like this slot could sort itself given time though, and he's BoP'd himself into giving us more in later days. Bellaphant (my IRL fiancee) plays almost identically to this, so that could be making me give him the benefit of the doubt. But I think there are better options for a lynch today.

I don't agree with your Una townread. Equally, I don't see that much to respond to? This read doesn't feel concrete. I think it's possible that you're seeing 'quirky' and reading 'genuine' into it. It's worth noting that a lot of what you wind up townreading Una for is his interaction with gobble (and I thought I had a point in pointing this out, but I can no longer remember why... Oh well, I'll leave it and maybe you'll get something from it?)

It seems like those are our main points of contention? Neither of us seems to feel super strongly about Battle Mage, though we lean different ways.

[Klick]

Oh, I think it's worth mentioning that in 797, Una feels the need to make a big deal out of gobble's fit in 705 on principle... yet earlier, when flippyNips threw a similar fit in 527, he didn't bother to respond (and he was around very shortly afterwards).

[Klick]

If it wasn't for the detriment of the current wagons, I'd be happy enough to move my vote back to the renaissance-slot.
I still think Gobbledy flips red though, so once we are done with that flip, we can continue on to klick.

The one who called them a revolving door, and obv.town or whatever, has also earned some scummy-points.
Can't check it out now, but I believe that might be a teammate giving their support to a slot that just doesn't like playing scum.

'a slot that just doesn't like playing scum'? How does that work?

I can't recall what Una thinks about anything that isn't the Traitor Problem.

Then you haven't tried. I said plenty.

Then show me the receipts. Before 372, what significant opinions did you give on anyone that wasn't Gypyx?

Una's 519 goes back to giving me bad vibes. Una's scumreads line up exactly with Hoopla's townbloc, with everyone else going 'just below the null line' at worst. That's not natural town thought. He also has much more concrete reasons for suspecting all of notscience/Gypyx/gobble, but votes renaissance for elusive reasons.

Klick assumes my lynchpool is Hooplas townblock BECAUSE they are in there.
I thought I said it from the start, but I think Hoopla is town, and the group just happens to include most all of the slots I found to be suspicious at the time.
Hence - I wanted wagons in that group and wasn't going to be too picky about who.
Mainly to get some reactions - mostly because I felt like we'd be more likely to get an actual red flip.
At the time, gobbledy/renaissance/gypyx were the ones who felt reasonable, but I didn't want Gypyx wagoned because I knew the discussion would devolve back into Traitor-talk etc.
And I felt like renaissance had just recently made the worst posts out of the two remaining.

And you don't find it odd that your scumreads/lynch options correlate

exactly

with the townreads of someone you think is town?

You continually frame your desired lynch options as someone 'within Hoopla's townbloc'. You don't claim those scumreads independently; your view of the game seems to be dependent on Hoopla's.

I think Hoopla is town, and you're leeching off of her view of the game to pretend to have your own reads.

I'm getting the vibe that if Una is scum, at least one of his partners is actually in Hoopla's townbloc.

His vote has danced around enough in that group

that there's something whack going on there.

Like said, that group is poorly formed, and just happens to include most all of my scumreads.
I bolded this part from your quote because it made me chuckle.
I had literally voted in a RvS-manner with a completely random vote for funsies, before making my first serious vote on notscience.
After that wagon didn't feel like it could be the one for today, AND I had stirred the discussion around Gypyx, I felt like Gobbledy and Renaissance were the two slots worthy of my vote.
Chose renaissance -> they replaced out.
So I move my vote to Gobbledy with the hopes that we might actually get a lynch going.

So in fact three votes, and one of the switches was "forced" by a replacement.
Talk about a misrep with that quote.

To be clear, my current running theory is that you and notscience are scum together.

Remind me why you unvoted notscience?

So you've reasserted this a few times now. Why do you believe it? Hoopla herself has said she plays very similarly to this as either alignment. Yet you've fairly consistently held her as 'misguided town'. Why do you townread Hoopla?
Actually looking back now,

you don't list your read on Hoopla at all in 519

...

I believe their posting has been genuine.
I believe scum!Hoopla, while able and willing to keep their allies close, wouldn't outright declare a townblock in a game where it has been specifically outed that they like to play with a close-knit group as scum.
I think their reads have some level of truth to them, even if the final assessment of alignment is wrong.
And again bolded the part with a clear mistake.
Hoopla isn't separately mentioned, but they are included just as much as everyone else in that townblock.
They included themselves in that list, and therefore they included themselves in my lynchpool for D1.

So you think she's town, but you're fine with her being in the lynchpool. Your Hoopla read feels very milquetoast, like you could change your mind on what she would do at any time because she's a 'good scum player'.


I'm satisfied with this lynch.

[Klick]

@Klick

re, 855 - the argument on Gobble isn't isolated on Gobble's play. It's the fact that Gobble has accused other players of doing exactly what he's doing and called them scum for it. His scumhunting is contrived, or contradictory towards his own motives. He has tried to paint other players as scum with weak reasoning that could be turned back on him, it's pretty clear that he has no intent on moving the town forward in a positive manner (his latest V/LA notwithstanding). There's no actual *substance* to his scumhunting. It's surface level at best, and when pressed, he relies on weak platitudes like "When you don't advance a town win-con, that means you're scummy to me." It makes it difficult to attack his reads because he defaults to things like "Well I don't scumhunt like other people" and by keeping a very wide berth for what he defines as "scummy play," trying to excuse himself for flimsy reasoning and poor logic to push forward. The contradictory nature of his posting is what shows me contrived motive the most - leaning on someone for doing exactly what I'm doing is a pretty impressive way to open yourself up to counterwagonning and really doesn't sell things in a way that other town would want to join your wagons, if you wanted them to actually bite on.

I don't see a lot in this that I disagree with as statements. I just... don't really get 'this is scum' out of it?

Is gobble being hypocritical? Yeah. Is he giving surface-level content and not helping a ton? Sure. Would I expect this behavior to be much different depending on what color PM gobble got at the start of the game? Not really.

The main reason I think gobble is town is because he's had some pretty valid insight, in particular into Una. Hilariously, in contrast to what gobble has said about how he'd play, he has shown more genuine-looking scumhunting than most of the other players FMPOV.

[Klick]

It's worth noting that a lot of what you wind up townreading Una for is his interaction with gobble (and I thought I had a point in pointing this out, but I can no longer remember why... Oh well, I'll leave it and maybe you'll get something from it?)

The main reason I think gobble is town is because he's had some pretty valid insight, in particular into Una.

Actually, I don't hate the concept of an Una/gobble scumteam. Una has a lot more scum equity on his own than gobble does though.

[Klick]

I actually had no idea you were voting flippyNips because the last thing you said about his content was in your second post. You've talked plenty about your other two scumreads, but voted flippyNips without a single word about it.

He started posting content specifically in response to being called out for not posting content.

yeah beats me

My words, not yours. Doesn't seem like you cared all that much about anyone joining you in voting flippyNips, considering you just parked your vote there without a word.

It's a scummy opinion. You don't accomplish anything as town by being against it. Like, yay, Hoopla's town reads should be null reads and they shouldn't be cooperating...? Now what?

I don't get why everything has to be alignment based but the fact that you're pushing it as a scummy opinion rather than what it actually is - just an opinion - is not good

That's just my opinion man, not sure why you don't like it

[Klick]

It's a scummy opinion. You don't accomplish anything as town by being against it. Like, yay, Hoopla's town reads should be null reads and they shouldn't be cooperating...? Now what?

i'd actually like to hone into why this is a terrible statement overall - a little theory based but it's what i am thinking

for an opinion to be scummy, there has to be

scum

intent. this is something easy to say but hard to "prove". something to note is that the reverse is also true with having a town opinion. with this in mind, i'd like to re-examine what klick is saying here

what on

earth

would put my alignment toward scum for saying that i disagree with hoopla's ways of playing the game? town blocs are absolutely not essential nor are they always trusted, especially by people who are in and not in them (which is how they survive) - so how does the fact that I am saying that the "leader" of a town bloc, who I also think will flip scum, should not be trusted????????????????????????? this is what i meant above by scummy for an opinion, not an alignment based opinion

Remind me why you think Hoopla will flip scum?

I think you're using the anti-townbloc opinion to disrupt the town accomplishing things and push an agenda that is... not townreading people. Instead of putting effort towards something like getting people to vote with you on flippyNips, you're devoting a lot of energy into essentially nullifying the work of others. Again, what does this accomplish?

[Klick]

Una : weird wagon considering the peoples on it, and the fact that it's kinda stalling : scum / lynchbait for later?

The wagon was gobble/Hoopla/myself. You scumread gobble, but townread Hoopla. Am I to take that to mean you are uneasy about my slot?
What do you think of my recent points on Una-scum/gobble-town?

[Klick]

One trend from Cooldog’s gameplay I’ve noticed thus far (149) is it seems very integral on optimal townplay- which is both good and bad. On the one hand it makes his life (if scum) harder, but it allows pretty easy reads to hide behind too.

I feel like CooLDoG is on another planet when it comes to his view of optimal town play. I do feel like his perception of the game is complex enough that it's probably not fake though. His Hoopla read is easy, but some of his peripheral comments have felt genuine (see 602 and my thoughts on it earlier).

I feel like I have the same 'optimal play' criticism of AGar though. And reading further into your read-through you seem to feel the same way. Except I don't see the same depth of play from AGar that I do from CooLDoG.

I don't really understand your Hiraki townread beyond 'I agree with what he's saying a lot'. You mention 411, but I don't think I agree that that couldn't come from scum. It was approached from a removed perspective similarly to how Hoopla presented it, almost academically, and feels a bit like busy work to me. From someone who has continually said 'why does this matter?' I question why he felt the need to go in-depth at that particular moment. The motives of the post itself were to question why my slot was read as town, which for obvious reasons doesn't inspire me with confidence.

I'd be fine-ish with a Prana wagon starting up. I have problems with the amount of words he's produced versus the actual content he's provided. I do feel like this slot could sort itself given time though, and he's BoP'd himself into giving us more in later days. Bellaphant (my IRL fiancee) plays almost identically to this, so that could be making me give him the benefit of the doubt. But I think there are better options for a lynch today.

I don't agree with your Una townread. Equally, I don't see that much to respond to? This read doesn't feel concrete. I think it's possible that you're seeing 'quirky' and reading 'genuine' into it. It's worth noting that a lot of what you wind up townreading Una for is his interaction with gobble (and I thought I had a point in pointing this out, but I can no longer remember why... Oh well, I'll leave it and maybe you'll get something from it?)

It seems like those are our main points of contention? Neither of us seems to feel super strongly about Battle Mage, though we lean different ways.

So you wanted this response before doing stuff notscience, but instead of engaging with it you're just going to push a different lynch through and leave your Una townread super vague?

Una/notscience/Hiraki is my best guess at the moment.

[Klick]

I have you as leantown currenrly even though i didn't like renaissance's playstyle, what bugged me about the wagon is that it was sort of "there" for a long time, no one seemed to be against it but yet it never took off until now, i'm reading this as una being town

What about that implies town to you?
I have the opposite read. I think the Una wagon isn't picking up because scum aren't putting their influence behind that wagon.

I have to admit you got some very valid points on Una, i'm waiting to see una's reaction to your vote though

And why does your wagon analysis take precedence over what you see as valid points against Una?
Now that Una has posted more, what do you think?
Do you see this Prana wagon as town-motivated or scum-motivated?

[Klick]

My top guesses for scum would have to be amongst gobbledygook, Klick, CoolDog ON the wagon (1-2 there), and Prana off the wagon with that latest post.
These are my top4 scumreads, and while I'm not saying there's literally the full team in there, I wouldn't be surprised to find 2.

What happened to the townbloc being your scumpool/where you wanted to lynch today?

[Klick]

Only scum would miss brunch.
VOTE: notscience

[Klick]

Hard claim: Brunch Daycop.

Notscience did, in fact, have brunch.
Lynch All Liars.

[Klick]

Can we maybe not lolvote at this point in D1? Like, fuck. Having a hard enough time as it is keeping shit straight, lolvotes with 3ish days to deadline are a fucking waste of a post.

I don't know about you, but part of the reason I play this is, in fact, to have fun.

VOTE: Una

[Klick]

Tell me why I should care about voting for Prana when an Una lynch is right there.

[Klick]

If it's how he plays as town, then what is it that makes him scum?

I think this slot is an easy solve later.

[Klick]

Except it's not, is it?

I have a large amount of respect for sensible self-meta as a strategy (primarily for finding town) - this isn't particularly convincing to me.

PEdit: He's BoP'd himself into providing content later. He'll deliver, or he'll get lynched before LyLo.
Regardless, we get more interactions out of/with him if we leave him, town or scum. There are more developed slots that are more worth a D1 lynch.

[Klick]

You're basically scumreading him for his play looking a lot like your play before you did your catch-up, except he hasn't immediately fixed his play upon getting called out.

[Klick]

Your early game was still really weird and that hasn't just gone away. I like the general tone of your recent content and the fact that you're engaged now, but like you said we seem to be at odds when it comes to our conclusions and I'd like to resolve that if you're town.

[Klick]

Are you saying you wouldn't have put in the effort as scum, then?
I think you're right that you were probably fine at least for today if you'd continued to lie low, even though I came in rather hot against you.

[Klick]

It does seem like the last time you were scum and not in a hydra was five years ago, yes I know my perspective on both town and scum play has changed since my long hiatus a while ago.
Its something to think about, though. I also don't think you're a sensible D1 lynch, but more in a Hoopla way where you're someone who will continue to be easy to provide value throughout the game even if you're scum.

[Klick]

Loool. That explains it. You're all good notsci

[Klick]

Except it's not, is it?

I have a large amount of respect for sensible self-meta as a strategy (primarily for finding town) - this isn't particularly convincing to me.

if there is a vig, please kill this with fucking fire, or preferably a shot gun loaded with slugs.

It's simple. If I tell you how I tend to play, then I'm either town telling the truth or scum lying/misleading. It's fairly easy to tell when someone is genuinely bringing up something they do/don't do as a certain alignment, versus when they're spouting BS.

[Klick]

Lynching Prana today would be a terrible play and I shouldn't have to explain why. Everyone get on either Una or gobble while we still have time.

[Klick]

Yeet

I shouldn't have to backup Prana here but it sounds like a scary amount of people are actually considering just... lynching him anyway

[Klick]

I don't have time right now for a big writeup. But there isn't much lost by leaving him alive for now if he's scum, whereas if he's town lynching him would obviously be bad because we'd be losing a strong PR.

Bob is very invested in looking for any possible wagon that isn't Una/gobble.

[Klick]

people should be judging prana based on how likely a mod is it to give a player a watcher in today's climate vs. how often scum like prana would fakeclaim watcher

I literally had a Town Watcher in my Mafia game a month or two ago

[Klick]

I really don't care; from a game theory perspective, you don't lynch the strong PR D1 because there's little to gain if they're scum, but there's plenty to lose if they're town.

We lynch someone that looks scummy, and even if Prana is scum and fakes a guilty like under Hoopla's theory, we basically are choosing who looks scummier between Prana and his guilty.

[Klick]

Klick games over

What the fuck you literally just saw a watcher claim derail a game why are you so fast to believe this

So we're pretending that situation is at all similar to this one? That was D3 from a slot with zero pressure whatsoever

[Klick]

@Gypyx: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=82679

[Klick]

VOTE: gobble

Sorry. Deadline. Best wagon is on you and we need to consolidate.

Oh come on, you don't even have gobble as a scumread. Your Una townread has zero substance but you refuse to either commit to reasons for dancing around him or let me push through a rather confident scumread on the slot.

My vote isn't moving. It's Una/notscience/???.

[Klick]

Hoopla, I've always considered Watcher a rather strong role, but I can sort of see the idea behind it not being a slam dunk winner role. I consider it far more useful than a Doc for example - I think it has the same functionality, except instead of blocking a kill it trades 1-for-1 with scum.

If true its likely to be a significant portion of our available night power.

[Klick]

I think a Watcher is far more like a Doctor than it is like, say, a Tracker or a Cop.
But this isn't a particularly important conversation to have right now

[Klick]

Notty please don't send me to LyLo with Una expecting me to change my mind on him in the 11th hour

PEdit: Hoopla that's a rather large gap of assumptions; 'if he's scum or the scum have a work-around role' are two things that I think you're considering to be more probable than they actually are. It's not a given that scum have a blocking role or equivalent, and Prana is more likely to be town than scum.

[Klick]

the una wagon

Who is making it trash? CooLDoG? I don't remember your read there but you townread everyone else on it.

[Klick]

This game makes me sad

[Klick]

By my count gobble's at L-1.

This really doesn't feel like it y'all. Last chance to flip it around to Una. No one has any reason to townread him, and I tend to be right when I feel this confident about scum early on.

[Klick]

Soooo you're just not reading the game then, I take it?

??????????

[Klick]

Soooo you're just not reading the game then, I take it?

??????????

Since you're around and we have time, mind explaining this?

[Klick]

By my count gobble's at L-1.

This really doesn't feel like it y'all. Last chance to flip it around to Una. No one has any reason to townread him, and I tend to be right when I feel this confident about scum early on.

Well, what might make you feel even more sad, is that you might not only be wrong about me, but also about gobble.

I still think gobble and prana both make a lot of sense as scum, and NOT taking any preflip-assumptions into consideration.

Also dislike your not so subtle way to tell a narrative here -

"no one has any reason to townread him"

.
Does that mean you are devaluing everyones tone- / context-reads on me, or are you literally saying there shouldn't objectively be a reason for anyone to townread me?

The tone townreads that have been expressed on you are nonsense.

[Klick]

You’re a towel

no u

[Klick]

Completely off-topic and I can't remember if I said this last game notty, but I remembered a little while ago that you played a Survivor game once years ago and we were best friends in it

[Klick]

Klick I’m going to say something that’s going to make you want to Lynch me more but I just had a shower thought and I don’t think my condition for townreading una is valid anymore and I feel really dumb and ofc this is going to be scumread bc lol flip flopping in lylo but I have been drastically overthinking him I think

aaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Klick]

Is this my punishment for not trusting myself and murdering votato the first chance I got

[Klick]

VOTE: PranaDevil

[Klick]

Yeah 'I saw someone try to kill flippy' is code for 'anyone who might have targeted flippy should out now'.

PEdit: what term, fishing? It's basically trying to bait PRs to out themselves.

[Klick]

Before anyone goes "What did Prana do?"

I watched Flippy in case his claim was true, and somebody tried to off him, nobody

else

visited him last night.

[Klick]

So we're ignoring the bit where he explicitly claimed that 'somebody tried to off him'?

Somebody explain this interpretation to me reeeeally slowly because I'm not seeing it at all

[Klick]

So we're ignoring the bit where he explicitly claimed that 'somebody tried to off him'?

Somebody explain this interpretation to me reeeeally slowly because I'm not seeing it at all

PLEASE, read before posting.

Before anyone goes "What did Prana do?"

I watched Flippy in case his claim was true, and somebody tried to off him

, nobody else visited him last night.

That one comma probably threw everyone off, because it did me too when I read it quickly..

That first bolded part is meant to be one thought. The combination of that comma+"and" alters the meaning.
Maybe it's easier for me to see since english isn't my native language at all, but that's the way I saw it after blinking twice.
I initially read it the same as you.

UNVOTE:
This makes sense.

Equally, I'm not the only person who couldn't see it until this explanation. No need to be a jerk about it.

[Klick]

Yeah okay that makes a lot more sense than him being all like 'I got a mysterious result' and then... not giving it.

[Klick]

Klick is it the right play for possible bps or role blockers to claim here or no

BPs should probably not claim? I personally would basically never claim BP or Commuter if I was one on principle, unless it was necessary. For RBs it would be situational based on if they feel like they caused the no-kill.

[Klick]

How's that work?

[Klick]

How's that work?

I don’t really remember what actually ccs it but it’s more protective, right? I saw no kill and I’m wondering if we have a doc or something but I vaguely remember having that combo together in a game is super op

Watcher + Doc is super OP because they can just target each other and force a 1-for-1.

Im a bit put off from caring about this atm when I try to read the game and interpret things to the best ofy ability and get condescending bullshit from Una+Prana in response

[Klick]

That would be a party
Can we invite Hoopla

[Klick]

I'm getting there. You're not a priority lynch atm anyway. Una!town makes you significantly more likely to be town.

I'll reread... Tonight or tomorrow, and see if anything sticks out with new info

[Klick]

Who are you counting as the third, Hoopla or Prana? I'm assuming Hoops?

Either scum was absolutely loving yesterday or one of Prana/Hoopla is scum. Either way, I think we have a sensible way forward.

[Klick]

VOTE: Klick

[Klick]

Turns out scum isn't as fun as it was years ago

[Klick]

But at least there's shitting up the thread when you've been lynched?

[Klick]

How are you Hoopla? I hope you survive when I'm gone. You and I have got a game to win.

Sorry we couldn't be town together this time Hoopla. I look forward to playing a game where we're the same alignment.

Good luck Hoopla. I've always wanted to be in a game with an SK win.

[Klick]

You've got this Hiraki. Thanks for putting me to L-1.

[Klick]

You should be fine. He got lucky with the block, but you're going to come out of this looking good, especially with my nonsense posting earlier.

[Klick]

Oh no, don't read that!

[Klick]

What a silly mistake. RIP

[Klick]

Really sorry man. It looks enough like shit posting that I doubt they'll get much out of it. Still, I should have been more careful.

[Klick]

D'oh!

[Klick]

Have any of you played Celeste? I picked it up about a month ago and I'm totally enthralled. It's entirely my kind of game: very hard platformer, yet welcoming and friendly.

[Klick]

I finished Farewell a couple of days ago. My next task is 3A's Golden Strawberry. It's such an endurance task, I keep struggling on the second subsection.

[Klick]

I've also been playing lots of TFT. The mid-set expansion is excellent. I'm having a load of fun spamming the newest legit meta comp, Malphite Sorcerers. Just bulk up Malphite with a couple of Warmogs, make 3* Ahri an ADC with Guinsoo's and an AD item, and grab Janna in the late-game.

[Klick]

If you're bored during lockdown and Mafia isn't quenching your thirst for social interaction, you should try a Large Social Game! If you've ever watched the TV show Survivor, it's that, but online. I found them on here in 2013 and found them more fun than Mafia for several years.

You can sign up for the next game here, for another 4 days and change. The theme is very questionable given current events, but the game should be a lot of fun. I'd join if I could, but I'll happily spectate any of you if you choose to sign up!

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[Klick]

We got absolutely destroyed. Wish I could have been town with notscience and Hoopla this game.

I have no reactions for the scum PT

[Klick]

I was convinced notscience was like a Jailkeeper or something when I saw this post:

Klick is it the right play for possible bps or role blockers to claim here or no

[Klick]

I feel like myself and especially Gypyx were set up pretty well to endgame if Night play hadn't gone horribly?

PEdit: not sure what Gypyx did N2 but AGar totally did block you and kill himself.

[Klick]

I was doing a fair amount of work trying to make myself look like a plausible partner to a large number of people and an unlikely partner to Gypyx.
I agree, though, that we had a tough road ahead regardless.