Mini Normal 2146: Cute Pets Game Over, Town wins

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Ehhhhh

What’s up doc?

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Hoopla did you used to be tails

Idk why I keep thinking of tails when I read your name

Also I don’t think I remember you being quite this over the top verbose

also curious about why claim n1 vig instead of crumb it

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If it is I’m dumb so forgive me

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a meme claim, you say?

i don't know how i feel about someone treating the early game with such disrespect.

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Nai because I’ve only played with them once if I’m remembering correctly and I don’t even remember the exact game let alone what hooplas alignment was

The style of posting is just something I think I would remember, you know? Like pirate mollie i automatically associate a certain text style with her and same for kkb, who both have weird posting styles

This is a really long winded way to say idk but I don’t think it has anything to do with alignment in this instance- maybe more excitement for this game?

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I think it was an open?

But again it’s been so long

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Does anyone with more experience know hooplas alignment preference?

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Because that would be the smart thing to do and I clearly don’t have my thinking cap on today.

Hoopla what’s your alignment pref

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Night prep?

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How was I preparing the next nights actions?

I’m pretty sure all I asked was why he claimed instead of crumbed bc I’m an idiot who thought he was legitimate

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I’ll join if you’ll answer this question

Have we played together more recently? Maybe on diff accounts? Acknowledging without an answer is okay as well

Idk it’s really weird being on the opposite side because literally how I love to play is what you just lined out and it’s so weird to actually have someone invite me to do that style hence my skepticism that out of the blue someone’s trying to link up and play exactly how I wanna play it so yeah!

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VOTE: emperor nippy flips

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Do you plan to follow up on your questions turkey?

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Then he’s asking questions and remaining in the peanut gallery as pointless busiwork.

Not really a new concept.

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No, but I tend to elaborate on what I’m thinking as to let others see my train of thought and weigh in on things they think are true/could use tweaking.

I’m seeing the questions from you but I’m not sure what you’re garnishing from them- and I only weighed in prior to your response because I was asked about it.

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Honestly, the question right prior to it.

I’d noticed you hadn’t really said anything else about the other questions but I was interested in the agar question because frankly, if I wasn’t sheeping hoopla I probably would have voted Espeonage too.

I’m curious what agar has to say but also curious for your take on the two of them. I see you don’t think it’s necessarily scummy but do yo I think it’s townie/nai? I get it’s still early and votes are weak but he’s already talking about night prep- which as far as I’m aware Just sounds like buzzwording and not something I’ve seen in the thread.

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Like I said in the post I had noticed you hadn’t commented further on previous questions and that was a question I wanted further questioning on.

And I actually took that post as half serious from him, not really trolling.

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I actually took Espeonages post half serious is what that meant.

I was just interested in heading off that pattern bc I’m trying to see more of the reason behind the questions. And then you said it’s not how you play so I’ve pretty much resigned to wait for your takes to come in after people start playing

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Lol

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I just don’t get where he got it from in the first place is all. You can read what I said up to that point- all I had said regarding it is I didn’t understand why he full claimed and not crumbed- bc I took it seriously because I wasn’t fully awake yet

It looked like a buzzworded contrived made up read (and yes I get how early it is and how we have nothing to go off of) that didn’t accurately reflect the game state and just seemed like someone making shit up to fake scumhubt.

And we talked after that and as I said I’m fine waiting for you to pick your moments thE trying to get transparency was my original intent with asking that question.

Pedit- works for me

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I remember people doing that before I left a few years ago lol

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Hoopla what do you think of agar?

Unbreonage what does your dance post mean in less confusing gibberish? Are you saying that group if 3 seems town and myself and especially are scum? If so, what makes you say both?

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Espeonage not especially

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So for my clarification- talking about espe but not voting him?

Also- in your experience with hoopla how did the buddying start? Because I saw her reach out to me and was immediately suspicious for much of what I said in thread- it’s weird for someone to reach out to me like that when it’s my preferred play style. But her answer of similar styles being easy to read made a lot of sense as well as- if hoopla is scum- why worry about buddying me? Surely it sounds like more of you have more experience with her, it’d be much more beneficial to her to work on one of you than cater her play to me (if she would even know how to do it bc we haven’t played in forever)

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I don’t really care that you think both could be scum I was just trying to understand your read on me lol

I like your reasoning and I like what you’re saying wrt hoopla tho

Hoopla what do you think of umbreonage?

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I thought my nickname was clever

Boo

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Hoopla what do you think of agar?

Unbreonage what does your dance post mean in less confusing gibberish? Are you saying that group if 3 seems town and myself and especially are scum? If so, what makes you say both?

Well, you've been asking a lot of questions, and your vote is based on sheeping, and going through your ISO, it mostly consisted of questions to other peoples

Are you scum reading me or answering for someone else when they already explained what the reasoning was?

If that is your reasoning- what questions have I asked that haven’t been followed uo on? Have I not given stances on things and said that I Intend to play the same play style hoopla laid out?

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For the most part? I try to put a lot of emphasis on being transparent. You’re welcome to check my game history for a meta read to piss off cooldog, but other than an ongoing I haven’t played recently.

I used to be really good at being transparent and as I’m back I’m trying to refocus on that. Basically used to just town it up, figure out who of the people I’m used to playing with a lot is town, and work with them to sort everything out. Since I’ve been back there hasn’t really been anyone I’m used to playing with so I lost that side of my play so I frankly could be overcompensating on the other side.

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also question, are mafia traitors common in mini normals?

What sparked this question

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It is. I can usually keep it up until like day 3, trying to mirror my town play but I usually just start lurking the longer the game goes and I’ve tried multiple times to change it but it’s just so hard lol. I’m waiting to get a chance at it again because I’d like to think I matured in my time away from the site and can overcome that now, but I haven’t had the chance to try it as I’m only playing one game at a time because I also work full time.

It does back me into corners when I draw like neighborizers because I’m basically forced into making a hood with the very people I’m most concerned about in the playlist.

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What about those 3 did you like?

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Skimming while I’m at work, most likely just glazed over it.

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also question, are mafia traitors common in mini normals?

What sparked this question

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Wait I found it I’m dumb ignore me

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I will say even worrying about a traitor is very weird and I kinda wanna go there

Hoopla what do you think of taking this wagon off the rails?

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He already answered that question umbreonage and I’m in the same train of thought as you. I either thought signaling team or looking for one.

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hoopla I wanna invite agar

And I kinda get too scummy to be scum but that’s such a weird role to suddenly mention out of the blue for a new person.

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mod I’m voting nippyflips not hoopla

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I think Gyp hints at the traitor not floppy? Unless I missed something

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I don’t really wanna wagon una barring the weird question that’s already been asked being repeated?

Although it was cryptic the stance wrt me kinda made sense

And like I kinda remembered you I kinda remembered Hiraki and literally he’s playing out exactly how I remembered and I’m pretty sure we were both town there too. By that I mean the kinda cocky tone, and our play styles clash and assuming my memory serves he did the same thing last time we played (ie went after me early d1)

Prana maybe? I don’t really understand Renaissance’s town read there but he has yet to articulate it so maybe he saw something I didn’t?

What about espe? I definitely am keeping an eye on gyp too for reasons already said but I’m cool leaving that wagon off the table for now.

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And before warmcat says anything it’s not a meta read it’s “he’s behaving how I expect so it’s not inherently scummy”

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I just don’t get how a newbie pulls traitor spec out of their ass like that tbh

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We meant different things hoopla- I’m saying I don’t get how he’d pull it out of his ass unless he knew it existed.

Your point about being obvious as the game progresses is valid though.

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The things agar is saying are mirroring a lot of the thoughts I’m having and typically when that happens it means they are coming from similar motivations, aka town.

Same with hoopla I really doubt he’s catering his play to me so that just further makes me think that- he was one of the first ones to view the traitor talk the same as well as espe’s early play, and he’s actually following up on his questions when they get ignored when it’s easy for scum to just keep up with the pace of the game- which imo shows he actually cares about the answers and divining something from them.

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And look at that beautiful post

How are people not considering him town?

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i Kinda agree with hiraki that it’s a weird post because it’s making assumptions about Renaissance’s play style which I don’t think are merited to try and discredit a read on him.

Like no doubt there are playstyle crashes in this game and multiple people with set in stone ways they want to play, and there will have to be some compromise (for lack of a better term) wrt play styles.

Like I agree with what she’s saying but not how she’s saying it.

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unvote

For now

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Agar town for the similarities in train of thought like I’ve mentioned before

Hoopla still leads town but that weird post hiraki mentioned still irks me a bit

I liked Renaissance’s entrance into the game but still want those reads explained

I’m tempted to townread hiraki but can’t really place what it is that makes me think that way?

I liked my interactions with una so far so leantown there

I still want an explanation from Espeonage about the damn night prep because he’s been ignoring that question multiple times which is sketchy as shit

LicketyQuickety is still in this game and I don’t think he’s even posted

Turkey I’ve resolved to give him a few more days and see what he does with the space he asked for earlier

I want to iso warmcat because I frankly struggle to remember what he’s done

I didn’t feel either way re prana

Nippy flips I don’t think has done anything either but I’m pretty sure someone said that’s par for the course for him

Gyp I still don’t have good feelings about the traitor thing for the reasons in my iso

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vote gyp

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Ok, question, I see that no one has actually made any coments on the content of my read, apart from Flippy saying "yo that would be a sick traitor strat" so could anyone think about the read on it's own?

Because traitor spec is a rabbit hole that doesn’t need to be delved into unless we have a flipped traitor. Otherwise it’s a distraction.

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notsci bc why not.

Because it’s literally not in the thread, and you’re making assumptions in someone’s alignment based off of that which both shows you weren’t reading it nor do you care to figure out my alignment- which typically means you already know it?

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Currently I have cooldog and notsci as potential scum for going in to night prep immediately.

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Seconding the wtf on that rvs vote

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Your post gave the impression it was

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Lickety is there any reason you’re being so condescending when literally all you’ve done is

Vote espe

Say it wasn’t rvs

Posit he hasn’t been town all game

Is there a point when you start playing or?

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I am tempted to move and make espe the leading wagon because Im not super stoked with either of the leading ones.

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Lol

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Nah I just think you’re funny

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How the duck does that make sense

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Your stance is that I, as scum, draw attention to my buddies unsubstantiated read on me and repeatedly jump back to it- as does my other buddy.

Okay.

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Your stance is that I, as scum, draw attention to my buddies unsubstantiated read on me and repeatedly jump back to it- as does my other buddy.

Okay.

y no vote tho?

Because I like where my vote is? And have been very insistent about why it’s super weird to randomly interject traitor spec on day one?

In pretty sure I’ve said I’ve been debating moving over there.

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Maybe I didn’t

Huh I thought I did

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I am tempted to move and make espe the leading wagon because Im not super stoked with either of the leading ones.

Wait here it is

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Turkey I would like some substantiation to your reads por favor

You can withhold the cooldog one obv

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There are more than two players in this game, you going to comment on any of them?

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I figure at this rate I only have to point that out another 8 times and I’ll finally get all your reads!

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My attitude is getting the best of me. I’ll be back tomorrow at some point.

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why are you voting for a wagon that is in part produced by people who have no reason for voting for them?

At this point the wagon was me and agar for similar reasons that are in the thread? Where did you think my vote was

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Warmcat what’s this in reference to?

why are you voting for a wagon that is in part produced by people who have no reason for voting for them?

At this point the wagon was me and agar for similar reasons that are in the thread? Where did you think my vote was

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Wait are you saying that it’s useless to vote gyp until we have a traitor flip?

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Cooldog I literally have no clue what you’re getting at

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Cooldog can you please explain like I’m five? I’m trying to understand what you’re saying.

Was your comment asking why I was on the gyp wagon?

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I’ll be back tomorrow I need the night off to recover

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I understand cooldog a question now

I see what you’re saying, but I wasn’t really a fan of the wagon on you or the wagon on hoopla.

I have a tinfoil theory in my head that this is the only way hoopla can keep herself interested as scum but I’m not sure how crazy it is. And I just don’t have the urge to lynch you. I didn’t really feel like you were town at that point like I kinda do now but I just got the heebie jeebies from that wagon

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And at least that way there was a leading wagon on someone I think should be dead

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who is adamantly against an espe lynch?

The other two members of his team?

I’m gonna be moving there after a check the vc

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His night prep comment re me never happened and when questioned he first stalled answering then said he just roped me in there which shows he doesn’t care to divine my alignment which typically means he knows it

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Hi farside!

At work will read tonight after work/family dinner

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I lied I read

Correct me if I’m wrong but is the main reason people are scumreading Renaissance pre flip associatives with hoopla?

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not you too

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VOTE: scumfuck mcturkey

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She’s fallen off a bit with her townread on Renaissance and I did actually say earlier I was skeptical of it but I just kinda went along with it because it was nice to be on the other side of it for once

Plus I admittedly was nervous bc I don’t really have the people I’m used to here that I link up with so I was like hey I can work with someone

But back to what I was saying Hiraki called out one of her reads a bit later and I agreed and was building on it some- she’s more a leantown than 100% conf hence why my vote isn’t mirroring her anymore

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If that post doesn’t make sense sorry I’m doing two things at once

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So if it’s not the defense of hoopla what is it?

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Sorry I sent my follow vote to agar in the mail and it got delayed with the rona

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Because I was rereading agars post where he asked me to vote you and liked his reasoning so then voted you?

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Plus my vote was on gyp which I don’t think is a viable wagon anymore and I wanna give farside some time to catchup

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That’s the only place that name for you has shown up which I guess on reflection isn’t as obvious

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Espe is now farside

I have repeatedly said I don’t like how he handled his read re me but I’m willing to give farside space to do things

Una I honestly thought was town from his first vote on me, but he’s frankly kinda forgettable. I need to iso him

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Idk if I said it in thread but that’s why I’ve been skeptical re your delayed reads because that means agar and I both are pushing the same stance on our buddy that I could have not brought up in the first place

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Oh reading is tech

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I just think it’d be the type of thing newvscum would do, frankly. Who viewed their teammates as inherently more scummy and thus are quick to scumread them.

And I’m saying that the only reason agar even saw it was I didn’t drop it- basically my point is that

A- fast bussing is typically new scum not people who know to adjust their reads accordingly
B- why would we push the same reasoning if we were both bussing

I mean I guess I can buy that’s your reasoning but if roles were reversed I wouldn’t agree

VOTE: espe

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Dominant personalities are bickering and the less dominant aren’t pushing stuff

It’s kinda disorganized tbh

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My own reads are very disorganized but I’m gonna sit down tonight and try to organize myself.

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Farside doesn’t care about ren cooldog farside is ren

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Oh that was the answer to me sorry

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Why do I know his name? Do you have a tell or something named after you?

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No one has claimed.

I’m voting you because espe expresses a read on me with reasoning that wasn’t true- my iso proved it. When questioned on it he avoided answering then just said he roped me in which shows he doesn’t care to discern my alignment which typically means he knew it

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And yes you

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Do enlighten me. Because it took way too long to get a damn answer

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For the most part? I try to put a lot of emphasis on being transparent. You’re welcome to check my game history for a meta read to piss off cooldog, but other than an ongoing I haven’t played recently.

I used to be really good at being transparent and as I’m back I’m trying to refocus on that. Basically used to just town it up, figure out who of the people I’m used to playing with a lot is town, and work with them to sort everything out. Since I’ve been back there hasn’t really been anyone I’m used to playing with so I lost that side of my play so I frankly could be overcompensating on the other side.

@farside

This feels relevant

@bm

I’m more annoyed with espe than trying to be shitty with you- but if you do know the deal with it please explain

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Basically I felt really weird and not sure how I wanted to play it coming in and just focused on brain spew and have since relaxed

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A few people (namely me and agar) think there is as no reason a new person brings it up out of the blue unless they are scum with a traitor or the traitor

But lynching someone bc they might be a traitor is kinda a witch hunt

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I’m pretty sure like five pages of the thread is arguing about it in retrospect

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Hi klick

VOTE: turkey

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mod you have two battlemage categories

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L-2

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Why aren’t we wagoning this one again?

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I think your fos is a good way to take a safe stance without using your vote

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I elaborate on it some later and settle down klick dw

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VOTE: gyp

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Well I think he’s town

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Want to cournerwagon Gypyx with me?

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Why don’t you go ahead and help get this wagon rolling nippyflips?

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I elaborate on it later- I was curious to be on the other side of it. And I was still reading hoopla and bumped her down somewhere around page 10ish

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She’s like a leantown.

I have a tinfoil theory this is how she keeps herself engaged as scum but that’s not really rational

It’s why I’m kinda doing my own thing now

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Want to cournerwagon Gypyx with me?

Voting scum now doesn't completely clean your slate with me. This is little more than a vanity wagon now unfortunately, and you waited until -1 to do it? It's a bit limp.

I’m pretty sure that’s a bad misinterpretation of how I approached it.

I brought the wagon to l-2, he did his shady fos thing. I called him out on it and then he brought it to l-1.

I voted him because

A)id already been suspecting him most of the day check my iso

B) that vote was sketchy as fuck, his entire last few pages was

C)klick asked for more time.

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I’ve liked both of klicks predecessors

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In my defense you did say you could explain why he did what he did

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Damn I’ve never had a rule made bc of me

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What did you think of gyps l-1 vote and the actions leading up to it

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Well it made me vote him.

I think he was playing it too safe, got called on it and Overcorrected himself.

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That’s a lotta questions and I’m about to drive home from work. Will answer them when I do- by third critical party you mean una correct?

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Agar- the way gypdanced around it gave me the heebie jeebies. Like regardless of the flip I could see soft bus or distancing from a mid Lynch.

T makes me more interested in flipping him than the turkey.

I never did get to iso una so let me do it. I still liked his early stuff

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That wagon is 1 vote from a player who got replaced twice and two votes are “eh I guess”

That doesn’t really inspire faith in the wagon

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Hoopla what made him go from “I sense people aren’t townreading him” to “he’s on a scum team with prana”

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And I did read una but I really don’t get the case on him? I feel like more people than him have been questioning townblocking this game so what makes him so special

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Klick lemme know when you finish your catchup and realize I’m town so we can chat about the game tia

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Nippyflips why aren’t you voting presently? Bob hasn’t caught up yet so his is understandable

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I’ve been playing on my phone since I’ve been back and I’m just annoyed at how hard it is to format posts.

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I don’t really think it’s a secret I can’t get a footing in this game

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Literally at the end she says she agrees with gobbles reads

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Also just saying it’s incredibly obvious the rotating door slot is town.

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Gyp- rennaklick22

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I’ll prob rejoin turkey once klicks done catching up agar.

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Klick are you townreading me yet

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Fine, I look forward to your vote d2.

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I’m not saying it to be petty I’m saying it out of anticipation

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Klick well talk about part of my thought process re that first quote on a later date- I promise

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Rereading and actually applying myself because Klick’s entirely right that im coasting and I need to not be.

Spoiler: The Reread

I still don’t like Espe’s 37 for the same thing as before- it didn’t happen and it’s strange to apply stuff not in the thread to someone as town- typically means you don’t care to divine their alignment. I digress.

Hoopla’s 64 isn’t as bad upon second read. I understand this is gonna be taken as backpedaling on what I said earlier but I can’t really help if I’m backpedaling on coasting reads and taking it seriously.

Espe’s 99 where he elaborates on what he expected from his reaction test is alright sans the part where he still hadn’t answered my question. Seems like alright scumhunting and upon reflection the Cooldog thing makes sense.

Cooldog’s 105 makes a fair amount of sense but it seems a bit overenthusiastic for how early the game is. But most of his “making sense” is just proper play spec.

Prana’s 112 reads very much like parroting. I don’t really think ive seen much in the way of original thought from him thus far. 136 is much of the same.

Gypyx’s 143 actually is pretty good. I like the stance re:gobbles. Its just kinda more in depth than my coasting opinion of gobble was.

Gobble’s 148 is a good response to the aforementioned stance. It seems pretty on par with how gobble said he was looking to play the game- by making certain things happen and gauging the reads off them. I don’t think its necessarily scummy to be on an early wagon to get things rolling- its remaining on it when its rolling while not scumreading them.

One trend from Cooldog’s gameplay I’ve noticed thus far (149) is it seems very integral on optimal townplay- which is both good and bad. On the one hand it makes his life (if scum) harder, but it allows pretty easy reads to hide behind too. I like the jump off gyp and onto hoopla- I didn’t at first but when I think about it- giving town as little info as possible is a base scum thing to do, yes. I don’t really think that was hoopla’s intent and it does seem a bit basic, but I think at its core hes pushing something he believes in.

I like renaissance’s replace in, still. I think its funny that everyone in that slot starts out on a scumread with me and ends in a townread but rereading I kinda get it.

I like Gobble’s 183. I didnt notice it before but its a fair point in my focus primarily on how hes playing even though hiraki was playing similar- I have this subconscious predisposition to how I expected Hiraki to play (condescending questions) and it fit pretty accurately. I don’t think I’ve played against scum-hiraki ever, and my knowledge of how he is comes from games 5+ years ago. I know I feel way different now than I did when I started, I suppose its fair to hold others to a similar standard. I think hes pointing out a lot of inconsistencies that I honestly didnt notice before. I am definitely starting to think he’s town.

I could maybe buy town-paranoia in Gyp’s 190. Like a tinfoil theory without declaring it a tinfoil theory, however it still does feel weird coming from a new person. I like him acknowledging it in 199, I feel like its typically harder for scum to feel comfortable admitting they are scumming.

I agree with the sentiment behind Agar’s 207. But I think him as well as Cooldog are very wrapped up in optimal play when honestly, town doesnt play optimally. Yeah it doesnt make sense they dont but human error is the big reason most games are as difficult as they are. I still get townvibes.

Hoopla’s 208 makes more sense to me upon reread and I find myself agreeing with it now. Like full on, more than my initial skepticism. I think the traitor thing is important to remember lategame but I think paranoid tinfoilly town makes more sense re:gyp. I do think Hoopla’s making a lot of points I agree with now that im knuckling down and I am thinking town.

Prana’s 214 is more of the same- its literally just paraphrasing the thread. And a vote on CD with no reasoning? He says CD is his biggest suspicion without any real oomph. That seems like a pattern thus far. Scum?

I agree with Hoopla’s 218 and 219. I think Prana flew under the radar a lot when im rereading and I’m not really sure how.

I agree with most of Hiraki’s stances on 227. I don’t really understand how he intends to play the game without trusting anyone else, but I digress.

Gobbles 228 is good-posting. I think I was so shocked at the claim I kinda tunneled on it before.

I can see Agar’s stances in 230 coming from town but I no longer agree with them.

Still like Hiraki’s 235 like I did before. I do think now I view Hoopla more as trying to bridge a gap than anything else. I am getting super huge “Get off my lawn” vibes from cooldog this game and I don’t have the experience to know if he does this as a particular alignment or not. 242 makes a fair amount of sense for hte vote as well.

Una is also flying under the radar but I dont think all the scum is playing that same way.

I like 249 from Gyp because he has no reason to keep referring to something everyone keeps bringing up but he is trying to work with people to figure out his read.

More surface level from Prana 251 but he is starting to take some stances now.

I wish Cooldog was doing more to get Hoopla lynched. He both seems so certain and committed in his posts but I feel like there should be more drive there.

Prana finally gives reasoning to vote CD in 286. Idk how I feel about him pretending it was super obvious that’s what CD was trying to do when he hasnt really mentioned it in pages- more of his recent stuff has been about Hoopla

Gobble’s reads in 294 kinda match with mine. I’m currently at- Gobbles, Hoopla, Gyp, Hiraki, ren town, agar leantown. Kinda curious on the CD condition but I know im waiting.
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319 from Una is exact opposite of how I feel- I fully agree with the townlist there.

325 I disagree with. I think Hoopla’s been pretty vocal when sharing her townread reasons. I am a townblocer like that too but I still try to look for scum, but so much of this back and forth has been cooldog not liking townhunting. I think if hoopla did a gradient scale for the rest of the players on preference there might not be a cd vote on her.

More una in the background..

Agreeing with CD’s 360.

I like Hiraki’s 411 because i dont really think scum has to try and understand how Hoopla is thinking to approach the game. I like it in the frame of all of his other posts even if I dont agree about the ren suspicion. Hoopla’s calling out of the Ren suspicion in 418 is good as well.

Flippy beetlejuice 421, more baseline lurking from una 434

437 from Prana- There seems to be a lot of people professing to be stronger later in the day. I like the flippy vote.

452 from nippy- How many god damn “not an early game players” do we have this game jesus christ.

I do notice a big uptic in Nippy’s posting when he has pressure on him vs when he doesn’t- but I also garner that isnt super alignment indicative (from what Hoopla’s been saying all game).

471 is Una scolding gobbles? I kinda like the flippant way he goes about it? I don’t see scum playing like this.

488 I only am comfortable with nippy out of this list.

Una’s bunch of posts starting at 515 all feel really good. I do see the points of him ignoring his vote and pushing me all day but hes kept a pretty constant trajectory and stances. I like his read on me in particular (just the way it was phrased felt townie)

Nippy’s string of posts from 527 all feel relatively town.

572 only took 3 days and being called out for coasting…

I like Agar’s points in 626. Still heavily leaning town on him. Gobble is falling down my list a bit.

646 from Prana… I really think he should be one of the leading wagons. Hes not really doing anything.

I agree with all of BM’s reads on 738. None of them are safe reads, and I agree with them, but why don’t I like this post? 749 is awful too- not for the rolefishing it feels like one of those people at fancy dinners who talk shit about everything and do that HOHOHO laugh and pretend like its just so droll.

I disagree with 766 but feel like it’s town thought process.

I really like 797 from Una. I dont see that kinda frustration post coming frm scum.

Spoiler: the reads

Klick- Town. Admittedly sorted before reread but I have townread everyone in that slot.

Hoopla- Town. Still not a huge fan of the ren post but I find myself agreeing with a lot of what shes saying and think scumreads on her feel more playstyle based.

Agar- Town. Liking the attention to detail and trying to corral the troops with the gobbles wagon. Even though I disagree wrt gobbles I think hes genuinely trying to rally apathetic town.

Gyp- Town. I see the newbtown upon reread. Easily.

Hiraki- Town. A lot of good points and I particularly like how he approached Hoopla.

Cooldog- Leantown. I’ve liked Cooldog’s posting as the game has gone on.

Una- Leantown. I just dont feel scum when Im reading his ISO but I feel like I should be? Like I dont think hes been like a paragon of towniness but tonally he just sounds town with the timing and inflection of some of his posts.

Gobbles- Leantown. I liked a lot of his early points but Agar has some decent stances wrt him that I can’t argue with thats bumping him down some.

Nippy- Null/leantown. Reminds me of like TIP.

Bob- ??? I didnt like LQ’s entry and he hasnt dont anything yet but i have a lot of townreads so his read looks worse comparatively.

BM- Leanscum- Tonally and I just think everyone else looks townier than him.

Prana- Scum. I get he doesnt want to play the spam game like everyone else I just feel like most of his stances are super safe and not groundbreaking and has managed to fly entirely under the radar for the whole day. Like good under the radar not being a lurker but making just enough content to not get called out for it and nothing too controversial to draw attention to yourself. I dont really think anyone has quantified a read on this slot all game.

I don't think its likely all the scum are in the lurkers. I could see Prana/BM/??? and maybe im wrong on gobbles or CD? But I feel much better about a lynch between them.

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Hiraki what do you think of prana? I saw you didnt like some of his early stuff but there isnt too much mention of him in your ISO.

pedit- I agree that town claims at stupid times super often

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Spoiler: Letter to Hoopla

Dearest Hoopla,
As the second longest member of the townbloc I do wish to inquire of your availability in a matter most important to me. I do believe you will find your intentions line up, and as such, hereby extend this invitation to you. We begin a wagon on sir Prana. Now, I know this is rather uncouth, given it is a vanity wagon this late in the day, however I do believe this will allow us to remove some of the ruffians that have invaded our fair city.

Please respond posthaste, I look forward to your response.

notsci

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Honestly my biggest issue with him is how he’s been under the radar all game. I think he’s sitting exactly where scum would hide best and that deserves scrutiny- I don’t really remember ANYONE having anything substantial to say about him- and he’s the only real player sans bob who’s just catching up as his lurking predecessor never said anything either. He’s not making waves and he’s in that bunch of people saying they’re late game players like that gets taken into account when deciding to Lynch d1?

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Looking at the recent vc I like who’s on the floppy wagon way more than the gobble wagon and that’s giving me the heebie jeebies- sans agar that wagon is leantowns at best.

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That was prior to my reread and adjusting everything but I will answer to the best oh my memory. I do mention him a fair amount In my reread spoiler to if you have the time to peruse it.

224 was when he was asking something that had already been answered and I had to call it out

I liked when we first chatted about his read on me and that’s honestly been one of my favorite parts of him this game is his read on me. It feels genuine.

I do think he’s fairly town upon reread tonally but I don’t think it all lines up perfectly to put him in my upper echelon reads- I do wish he’d been more proactive getting me lynched because I did feel as though his read was genuine.

His inflection at times just sounds town. It’s happened multiple times this game for him specifically, I can’t format on my phone but I can on the computer tomorrow if you want further elaboration, however I think most of it is touched on in my reread.

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I’m assuming you used control f because I had also been referring to him as umbreonage in my iso

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It’s not a meta read at all I have only played with hiraki agar (I think) you farside and klick from this game before and I’m not really metaing any of you sans base playstyle stuff. Will do, however.

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I for one would like to know those mistakes and you can hide them in a spoiler tag and I won’t tell anyone you were defending yourself tia

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@Una
I didn't notice gobble's stance changing much from that slot but I did notice my own- you neglected to mention both of Klick's predecessors moved from early scumreads to townreads on me (which follows most of the games reads so I don't necessarily think its as bad as you do). I do note some of your issues with her, I think maybe a touch of overexaggeration from Klick.

The way a townbloc works as a whole you kinda have to townread each other- its why I kept talking to her earlier about adding agar- you dont add people the group as a whole doesnt believe to be town. Have you not played with townbloccers before?

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Spoiler: Una Quotes

That reads to me like a scum reaction.

How on earth did you get a read like that?
I'm starting to think you are the type of player who decide outcomes and reads first, and then make everything new fit that decision.
There was absolutely nothing about my latest post that wasn't dedicated to

correcting

false statements about my own play so far.
If you find that scummy, slap a vote on me.
I can't do much to help you.

Most of your posts are talking about Gypyx. Ergo talking a lot but not doing anything with your vote

Ah, but then you took an opportune time to scold me.
I have already said my piece regarding Gypyx, and I thought I made it rather clear as well, hmm?

Moving on, as should you.

I don't think scum would be scolding like this. I kinda like the "case closed" attitutde because I just don't see scum having the chutzpah to do.

Well, wasting your votes and energy on me is still even less profitable for us than it was when voting for Espeonage.

Let me ask you this - do you believe Hoopla has managed to create an all-town group, with their masterful craft so far?

Frankly I don't view scum scoffing at the townbloc like this. I could see town, who has been scumreading most of the people in there doing so though.

My CoolDog read still has conditions on it, but he has done enough now that I can town read him independent of any conditions. Thank goodness. I did not want to reveal my conditions.

Also - THIS is antitown if anything.
I get constantly called out for my vague and "mysterious" reads, but it's almost always something related with PRs or silly meta-tells I do not feel like outing.
But instead of continuosly repeating them for funsies, I state them and move on.
Dwelling on them like this, only makes them stick out more for scum, and everyone who ever has trouble trusting you/CoolDog.

I think this is a game of annoying double standards and I feel the genuine annoyance in this

that's right i did ask una why he's sring NS. i feel like im getting called out left & right for only memeing but i've asked plenty of questions that are just getting pushed aside as of rn by una since you've responded gobble

I guess I've missed that question then?
Sorry about that.

My initial scumread on notscience came about from their earliest interactions with/around Hoopla.
Hoopla was awkwardly(?) trying to build the first bridge, and I think notscience reacted in a suspicious manner.
My take on it was something a scum would likely do - not jumping at the thought and immediately hopping onboard the townbin, but trying to come across suspecting and hard to get.
Somehow I got the read that a scummie had to fake suspicions and paranoia towards Hoopla, because in reality they KNOW their alignment.

That feeling has somewhat passed, especially since I feel like there are better lynchoptions in the same "towngroup" from Hoopla now.
But whenever I reread those first interactions, I have a feeling notscience was putting on an act.

This one isnt a tonal quote but this is one of the reads on me that I liked. This sounds really weird but I get the scumreads on me, especially after my reread. I did sound incredibly awkward and convoluted early game.

i do get behavioural reads on D1, but they are more intuitive and based on how players interact with/perceive me, since that is the only alignment i currently know.

This makes sense to me, and reflects very much how I used to play D1s and 2s.
The thing here, is that it's misguided as hell to assume "I am town, therefore everyone should always know I'm town, or they are scum".

AND I'M NOT SAYING YOU DO ( )

, but that is often the problem.
People tend to get caught in the emotional side when no one trusts them or understands them.
And we can rarely see the flaws in ourselves - something we do or say might seem scummy to someone else but the fault is always in them.
Like how Gobbledy already said.

See ya nerds. This is probably a town loss with how bad the town is

= Salty/arrogant/selfcentered or whatever. I hate that post, and I've seen it from many players on this site.
The rest of us are all bad, because "we can't see how clearly he is town and everyone he votes is scum" - or something to that extent.
How about sometimes, if the majority is against you, the flaw might be in..you?

And while this could be interpreted in many ways, it's always just AtE and venting.
He could be scum faking it, or trying to vent his frustration.
But it does NOTHING to help town.
It's a team game.
If you get wagoned and lynched D1, no matter your alignment, use all the ammo you have left in favor of your surviving teammates.
And thus, I'm not moving my vote from Gobbledy, and consider their reactions on being wagoned very scummy indeed.
Ugh.

I don't really see a lot of these bitching type posts from scum. Hiraki called it coaching but iirc coaching is a buzzword I used to use all the time that used to always come up fruitless.

I will say part of my stance re:him is I think prana is scum and I dont expect them to be occupying the exact same slot in the game.

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Klick talk to me bc we have polar opposite reads this game and i wanna figure out why

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I like most of your townreads but I dont think BM has been townier than most

I like what Hiraki has been saying. I feel like hes actually been trying to divine alignments.

I like unas tone as I said before.

Obv your read on me is wrong

And nippyflips I just get major Tippy vibes and its really weird he is your strongest scumread.

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Oh and @una I’m the one who said they’re town because I have townread every iteration of the slot

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this game is hard. there is no stand out scummy people. I might do a re-read through tomorrow at my normal reading pace to see if anything sticks out.

I might come away with different scum reads.

It helped me a lot.

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I will probably be here early in the morning but tomorrow’s the first full day of my restaurant being opened and I’m looking at a 13 hour day

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I hate all 3 wagons

VOTE: una

The people on this wagon fall more in line with my townreads than the other two

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Klick talk to me bc we have polar opposite reads this game and i wanna figure out why

I like most of your townreads but I dont think BM has been townier than most

I like what Hiraki has been saying. I feel like hes actually been trying to divine alignments.

I like unas tone as I said before.

Obv your read on me is wrong

And nippyflips I just get major Tippy vibes and its really weird he is your strongest scumread.

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Thanks

I’ll try to respond- today’s been slower bc it’s a silent open but I’m getting calm before the storm vibes. Latest I reply will be in the am

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I literally said I disagreed with these three wagons and only joined this because it has the towniest average imo

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Well lynch prana tomorrow bob we have deadlines to worry about

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And he used a self meta defense against me

Aren’t you contractually obligated to remind us meta is shit

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I’m not but I have wanted to be since my reread but deadlibe told me to compromise.

I think all the leading wagons are shit

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VOTE: prana

Choo choo

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I’m still around. I would like to iso una but I’m not gonna be around tomorrow. Currently I’m still not on board for a gobble or una kill, I liked my last interactions with NS I got decent vibes from him. Other than that I’m at a loss for who I want to vote. I like where I am now. I really have no clue who else could be scum

The wagon for prana is taking all applicants who think the other wagons are bad, we thank you for your consideration in these trying times and hope you decide to join our righteous wagon.

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Hoopla we would like to also extend the invitation to you. I know I no longer call townbloc shots however for the sake of town I mustn’t sit by.

Pedit

He’s the first to be actually voting prana lmao what do you think

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I think he’s only at 3

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You know if you’re town you could help us lunch that scum candidate

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I only didn’t try bc deadline but we already make it to four votes sooo

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Choo choo motherfuckers

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GODS

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What he said

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I haven’t had the chance to read in depth yet bc it’s hella walls

We’re out getting brunch I intended to read this morning but surprise last minute plans

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I guess I did say I’d do it by the morning so that’s fair

UNVOTE:

I appreciate the enthusiasm but we need a claim

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Yeah but I’m not chill with lolhammers

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We are ending up with lunch but it was supposed to be brunch but we were having transport issues so now it’s lunch

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Because No one called it lunch until you made the point it was lunch

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I wish

I’d be drunk now

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Disregarding the lolvotes what’s your opinion on prana

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I had a 32 oz mimosa and some Korean bbq tacos and I’m ready to lunch some scum

Prana or bust

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He spent the entire day playing under the radar and responded to being called out for it by saying “its how I play as town ask x”.

Nothing he’s said is risky at all- he’s the definition of safe and under the radar

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Literally until I pointed out no one had a fleshed out thought about him and Noones noticed

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Klick I can’t be scum this game it s how I play as town

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Why is it an easy solve later

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Except it's not, is it?

My early was weird hence I reset

You have been 100% right in your call outs and it’s why I reread and am actually applying myself (which you can call scum reacting to your pressure I’m aware) but I could have just kept promising sweet nothings but I actually decided to step it up and try to do shit

I don’t want my townplay to be called coasting and it kinda stung a bit even if it’s true so yeah

Pedit- I dare say I have been a pretty talked about person this game- it just settled down because I did.

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That’s what I wanna do when I get home!

You know it makes no sense for scum me to be reaching out and consistently engaging you over me when everyone else seems to be ignoring me lately, but makes tons of sense for town me who wants to work with you bc I’m more familiar with you than the rest of the player list

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That is what I’m saying

Scum me can’t renegage well iirc

I’m pretty sure the only game I could was the game I forgot I was scum

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Ofc self meta from years ago and if I was actually scum I have incentive to lie here but you know it makes no sense to continually bring the focus on me

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I’m way easier to identify in a hydra bc it’s usually “who is posting more: me or my partner”

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I’m still out and now I’m drinking a skylite booze slushy

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Honestly hoops the only one I’m not crazy about is bm

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Alternatively is there is a bus vote on it and prana is scum it’s likely late on the wagon.

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You’re welcome to try tomorrow buddy

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Where was this I must have missed it

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When he said it made no sense bc you lolvoted? Okay lol

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I will get back on it just was getting into lolhammer territory and making me antsy

VOTE: prana

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Hi bob, we understand your concern. However, hoopla has some valid points regarding it.

I do not understand your fakeclaiming point- however I raise you this

You were the first person to actively seek out to Lynch this scumfuck. He didn’t crumb in his very first post and I don’t particularly buy his whole I forgot malarkey.

I think he told me earlier someone played with him recently

whoever played with prana recently I have a question

How did he crumb if he was a pr/react to revealed crumbs?

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Hey last minute wagons are my forte turkey get in line

He’s probably the bus vote but still

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Klick I’m loading up my computer to respond to your big post I just got up and no hangover boys

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I feel like you should understand where I’m coming from at the very least

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Battlemage is the bus vote imo

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no bob gyps newbtown hes been doing stuff like that all game hes obsessed with game theory

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One trend from Cooldog’s gameplay I’ve noticed thus far (149) is it seems very integral on optimal townplay- which is both good and bad. On the one hand it makes his life (if scum) harder, but it allows pretty easy reads to hide behind too.

I feel like CooLDoG is on another planet when it comes to his view of optimal town play. I do feel like his perception of the game is complex enough that it's probably not fake though. His Hoopla read is easy, but some of his peripheral comments have felt genuine (see 602 and my thoughts on it earlier).

I feel like I have the same 'optimal play' criticism of AGar though. And reading further into your read-through you seem to feel the same way. Except I don't see the same depth of play from AGar that I do from CooLDoG.

I don't really understand your Hiraki townread beyond 'I agree with what he's saying a lot'. You mention 411, but I don't think I agree that that couldn't come from scum. It was approached from a removed perspective similarly to how Hoopla presented it, almost academically, and feels a bit like busy work to me. From someone who has continually said 'why does this matter?' I question why he felt the need to go in-depth at that particular moment. The motives of the post itself were to question why my slot was read as town, which for obvious reasons doesn't inspire me with confidence.

I'd be fine-ish with a Prana wagon starting up. I have problems with the amount of words he's produced versus the actual content he's provided. I do feel like this slot could sort itself given time though, and he's BoP'd himself into giving us more in later days. Bellaphant (my IRL fiancee) plays almost identically to this, so that could be making me give him the benefit of the doubt. But I think there are better options for a lynch today.

I don't agree with your Una townread. Equally, I don't see that much to respond to? This read doesn't feel concrete. I think it's possible that you're seeing 'quirky' and reading 'genuine' into it. It's worth noting that a lot of what you wind up townreading Una for is his interaction with gobble (and I thought I had a point in pointing this out, but I can no longer remember why... Oh well, I'll leave it and maybe you'll get something from it?)

It seems like those are our main points of contention? Neither of us seems to feel super strongly about Battle Mage, though we lean different ways.

I think the difference between cooldog and agar is agar is trying to drag his target to the noose- cooldog is doing it too it just feels like agar does it stronger? I kinda get the periphery comments thing re: CD

Hiraki's early started out how id expect it to if he were town (read: abrassive and ended with a vote on me) and I find myself agreeing a lot more with his thoughts as the game goes on, and the whole "similar thought processes=town"

I still think Una is town and its hard to create a tangible stance regarding it which is why im trying to articulate it different ways because its just one of those things that feels town to me. Not just feels like I really think this game makes a lot more sense to me if hes town. Not to be a turkey, but I do have a condition I will not be talking about that can change this.

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He’s the one who started the traitor drama earlier

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You know damn well hoopla's not wrong that invest is the BEST thing for scum to claim d1

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Note to self if I’m ever scum against cooldog claim pr day 1 and let him be my rabid attack dog

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Now now agar scum won’t claim watcher d1 he has to be town !!!

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Wow you’re such a pleasure to play with