Open 781: JK9++ Game Over!

skitter30 · Post Post #10 (isolation #0) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:19 am

hi hi hi
i'm super excited for this pl !!!!!

@ofrhz vla on fridays and saturdays, etc

VOTE: mena

skitter30 · Post Post #15 (isolation #1) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:21 am

YOU CAUGHT ME
I SHALL CHARM YOU INTO ANOTHER GLORIOUS SCUMWIN !!!

skitter30 · Post Post #23 (isolation #2) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:24 am

indeed

skitter30 · Post Post #34 (isolation #3) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:26 am

i'll be back later, i gotta pretend to do my job now

skitter30 · Post Post #92 (isolation #4) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:22 am

tbf that is kinda his standard approach to reading me (i.e. he's done this in at least 3 other games i can think of off the top of my head)

skitter30 · Post Post #94 (isolation #5) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:23 am

although actually reading it i'm not sure how serious it is because blake's one post was a 'hi' post and i think nai so

skitter30 · Post Post #96 (isolation #6) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:26 am

yeah i actually read it and i think it's a meme

skitter30 · Post Post #111 (isolation #7) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:29 am

ooh maybe town!lilith

skitter30 · Post Post #112 (isolation #8) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:29 am

ooh maybe town!lilith

skitter30 · Post Post #117 (isolation #9) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:38 am

i was just scum with her and her entrance feels different than that game
(yes, i'm aware it's one post, but that's why i wrote 'maybe' and i figure sharing these pings at least generates discussion)

skitter30 · Post Post #126 (isolation #10) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:45 am

In post 122, Menalque wrote:I think the turkey might be scum, datisi might be scum, Lilith might be scum, and bingle might be scum

Choose in those 4 names

i don't have reads on like anybody yet lol where are you getting these things from?

skitter30 · Post Post #131 (isolation #11) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:03 pm

In post 127, Bingle wrote:Exactly one of the potential three commuters should claim and then never mention what night they’re commuting.

why this?

skitter30 · Post Post #137 (isolation #12) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:10 pm

i have literally no read on him, why do you think he's scummy?

skitter30 · Post Post #145 (isolation #13) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:17 pm

In post 140, Menalque wrote:I need to check something but I’m not sure town!bingle enters with a joke but then immediately diverted into mech talk

Just doesn’t seem to jam for me:

Either (1) we have chill bingle who wants to hang out and shitpost and joke or

(2) we have serious bingle who wants to mechtalk and optimise for a win

I do wanna check something though

i don't think that the two things are incompatible?
i think that town!bingle would be sure to share the mech-talk cuz he'd think it's important, and that scum!bingle would do the same because town!bingle would

i don't view the joke as being relevant to this or anything

skitter30 · Post Post #146 (isolation #14) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:18 pm

In post 141, Bingle wrote:Oh, and also I am explicitly claiming not to be a commuter.

is this something that you think that everyone ought to claim?

skitter30 · Post Post #152 (isolation #15) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:20 pm

In post 148, Bingle wrote:I'm kinda hard townreading datisi now and I'm not sure how I feel about it.

i thought his reaction to mena's lock scumread of him was lowkey townie

skitter30 · Post Post #156 (isolation #16) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:23 pm

i wasn't sure if the {i'm claiming not be commuter} followed from {if there's a commuter at least one ought to claim}
i.e. wasn't sure if you were trying to get everyone to claim {not commuter} to check if there was a commuter by default

idk if i manged to communicate what i was trying to say but i don't know if that actually matters
anyways gonna bounce for the weekend, so see y'all later

skitter30 · Post Post #461 (isolation #17) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:58 pm

hey catching up now, i'll be on for a bit

skitter30 · Post Post #462 (isolation #18) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:09 pm

i have gut townpings on penguin i think

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In post 174, Menalque wrote:Have a good weekend skitt

@bingle if datisi is ever liable to be a cheeky scumfuck it’s probably this game

She’s also conspicuously absent rn

tyty
i think dats is (very) lowkey townie, or at least, what he's posted is nai at worst

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In post 183, Bingle wrote:VOTE: Mena

Townreads on gobble, datisi, Maria.

Penguin is definitely a player in this game.

oh? why on gobble and maria ?

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In post 211, Bingle wrote:This game feels weirdly similar to https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=81049 in a lot of ways.

i was feeling this too !

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In post 220, lilith2013 wrote:what feels different about it?

you feel more relaxed

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i actually have gut townpings on many people
like: penguin, fire, dats, lilith, maaaaaybe bingle
but don't really scumread anybody yet

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In post 245, Menalque wrote:skitter when you get back from the weekend can you say if you agree here or not

yeah i vibe with that
you don't think this game feels similar?

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In post 249, Datisi wrote:i have 0-2 games played with everyone here

what about me ????

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ok new post

skitter30 · Post Post #463 (isolation #19) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:17 pm

In post 251, Menalque wrote:Whereas one of my concerns is that you /not/ being obvtowny or hyperposty is that you know I can read that well (I don’t think you’d disagree with that?) and so you not doing that is weird to me because why wouldn’t you make it obvious you’re town when you can do so? Whereas I basically can’t make people think I’m obvtown anymore and I miss that

remember that newbie we played a few months back?
wherein you were a mason and we both thought dats was scum for playing like this and i mislynched him and he turned out to be town?

yeah that's why i'm not scumreading him for how he's playing rn

and i'm lowkey confused why you think this behavior is scum-indicative for him

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maybe town!gobble too?

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In post 322, Menalque wrote:I rly wish skitt and S_S were around

i'm around now!

skitter30 · Post Post #464 (isolation #20) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:17 pm

In post 323, Pink Ball wrote:Firepup I'm not in the mood of being scumread could you not do it please?

this is a weird post

skitter30 · Post Post #465 (isolation #21) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:20 pm

In post 340, Menalque wrote:I mean I highly doubt skitter would be scumreading me now (although now I’ve said that she might have The Paranoia kicking in)

i'm actually not, nor am i feeling super paranoid

skitter30 · Post Post #467 (isolation #22) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:21 pm

In post 342, Bingle wrote:I don't mean that the play of individuals seems the same but rather that the progression D1 has taken feels a lot like that game. I think it's likely that scum is in the more active side of the playerlist and tacitly supporting one another.

In this case, if my theory is right, you'd be the skitter of that game and gobbles would be the you of that game.

i'm kinda confused
what agenda do you think scum!gobbles is pushing?

skitter30 · Post Post #470 (isolation #23) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:24 pm

In post 347, Bingle wrote:Post 87 was very political, not in the order of people addressed but in what you said about them. Particularly Skitts/Dats/Turkey feels like there's an agenda to what was said.

98 continues said agenda on skitts.

tbf i think that mena would have taken this exact tack toward me as either alignment so i think it's nai
i've seen him do it as town multiple times so i don't read it as scum trying to buddy me really

skitter30 · Post Post #471 (isolation #24) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:25 pm

In post 354, Bingle wrote:The skit interactions feel like buddying, and frankly your opinion on that means very little. I'm far more interested in skitt's take.

my take just above ^
does that impact how you read mena?

skitter30 · Post Post #472 (isolation #25) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:26 pm

In post 359, Bingle wrote:
In post 356, Menalque wrote:Anyone who knows skitt knows that hard townreading her for no good reason is not how you buddy her
But that's not what you're doing. You're saying you're going to ignore her alignment and treat her as town which will therefore let her do her thing.

We've already collectively addressed that the order of your readslist is meaningless.

quoting for later

skitter30 · Post Post #473 (isolation #26) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:30 pm

In post 407, Blake Belladonna wrote:Firebringer is town.

i agree actually !

skitter30 · Post Post #476 (isolation #27) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:32 pm

VOTE: mariar

yay i'm caught up, ama

skitter30 · Post Post #478 (isolation #28) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:35 pm

my day is going p good, how is yours?

i don't have super strong scumreads rn but her push on you felt kinda weird/off so i voted there
and she reminds me of a scumgame of hers that i've played with
and i don't like that she backed off her push of you
and i don't have anybody better to push

skitter30 · Post Post #481 (isolation #29) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:39 pm

it kinda read like a serious push to me ...

skitter30 · Post Post #484 (isolation #30) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:58 pm

i'm not sure i like either of those takes ...

skitter30 · Post Post #488 (isolation #31) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:19 pm

idk it does kinda feel similar to me

skitter30 · Post Post #492 (isolation #32) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:22 pm

i feel like i've seen dats post this way a few times as town so i think it's nai

wrt to the game:
- similar Awesomeness of pl's
- player overlap
- similar setiup

skitter30 · Post Post #494 (isolation #33) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:23 pm

In post 491, Menalque wrote:
In post 464, skitter30 wrote:
In post 323, Pink Ball wrote:Firepup I'm not in the mood of being scumread could you not do it please?
this is a weird post
I don’t really see this either, how is this weird?

it's a weird thing to say

skitter30 · Post Post #497 (isolation #34) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:24 pm

yeah i don't know what that part means
like it doesn't feel like ti's unfolding similarly but i have a sense of deja vu about it

skitter30 · Post Post #501 (isolation #35) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:26 pm

In post 478, skitter30 wrote:my day is going p good, how is yours?

i don't have super strong scumreads rn but her push on you felt kinda weird/off so i voted there
and she reminds me of a scumgame of hers that i've played with
and i don't like that she backed off her push of you
and i don't have anybody better to push

p much exactly this ^
what do you want me to elaborate on?

skitter30 · Post Post #502 (isolation #36) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:28 pm

also i'm not sure fire is calling her town?
he said he had a cop inno on her which i thought was a meme and not indicative of how he was reading her

also i'm not sure i like scumread mariar so much as i didn't particularly like her push on fire and i'm not scumreading anyone else so i decided to vote there

skitter30 · Post Post #504 (isolation #37) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:29 pm

reaction post to your meme readslist

skitter30 · Post Post #515 (isolation #38) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:40 pm

In post 507, Menalque wrote:Can I suggest reading bingle’s posting so far?

yeah i had good feels before i left for the weekend but reading the stuff he posted since i'm not as certain about, i need to talk to him i think

skitter30 · Post Post #518 (isolation #39) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:41 pm

In post 511, MariaR wrote:
In post 481, skitter30 wrote:it kinda read like a serious push to me ...
I was testing his reaction as I stated before. I got my answer and then unvoted because he went from null to townie. If I thought his reaction was scummy than I would've kept my vote. So I don't know if you can call that 'serious.' I felt like this was obvious and I can't tell if you unawareness is scummy or not
pedit: Scummy, would lynch atm.

i'm confused, you're desribing a serious post imo
why aren't you voting gobble then?

skitter30 · Post Post #519 (isolation #40) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:42 pm

*serious push

skitter30 · Post Post #545 (isolation #41) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:37 am

In post 541, Datisi wrote:also, do you have a read on mena yet and why is gobble maybe town?

No read on mena and i'm not sure that scum!gobble starts by picking a fight with jingle

skitter30 · Post Post #547 (isolation #42) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:50 am

Average. I have no reason to think i can or cant read him particularly well

skitter30 · Post Post #551 (isolation #43) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:39 am

What do u think he's doing then ?

skitter30 · Post Post #578 (isolation #44) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 5:46 am

In post 568, lilith2013 wrote:actually i’m not even sure why mena is defending himself re: buddying skitter because i assumed that post about skitter was also not real content due to it being based on the joke readslist in the first place

again it's an approach he's taken with me in multiple games so i assumed he was being serious about that bit in particular

skitter30 · Post Post #580 (isolation #45) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 5:47 am

In post 569, lilith2013 wrote:i still think penguin might be scum since he literally comes to this thread just to badmouth me but i know i’m gonna be an asshole if i post my response so i deleted my post.

i think he's meming and he feels more chillaxed / natural than i've seen him before as scum

skitter30 · Post Post #626 (isolation #46) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:04 am

In post 592, MariaR wrote:
In post 552, gobbledygook wrote:MariaR is scum for her page 21 shenanigans. She’s not acting as a proactive town. Everything on that page was reactive and not scumhunting imo

That said, I don’t want her to die day 1 as scum. I’m tired of that
Page 21 was me answering questions, what exactly was I supposed to be scumhunting/what would town Maria do in that case? Also lets ignore the fact I am a reactive player and you tell me why playing reactive is bad. I am literally starting to doubt my gobble scumread for the sole purpose his arguments have more holes than swiss cheese. Is he normally this obvious if he flips scum or?

VOTE: Skitter

Oh I'm scumreading the 2 people scumreading me, guess that's omgus on my part. Or at least, someone will say it is

oh i'd love to hear more about this

skitter30 · Post Post #627 (isolation #47) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:06 am

In post 609, Blake Belladonna wrote:I'm also having real life problems currently, so I'm not looking to hyperengage right now. I'm still following along, roughly.

i hope things become better for you soon!

i think ss might be scum but i'm holding off on commiting to that till he's back from vla and can engage properly

skitter30 · Post Post #631 (isolation #48) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:25 am

@ss so far your engagement feels like city but i acknowledge that might be a function of you being vla so i don't want to push super hard there yet, but if it doesn't improve post-vla (plus a reasonable amount of time to catch up) i'll probably be pushing you

skitter30 · Post Post #633 (isolation #49) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:28 am

it's kinda entirely how i utilize meta, whether or not people feel the same to games wherein i know their alignment

skitter30 · Post Post #639 (isolation #50) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:31 am

In post 635, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 633, skitter30 wrote:it's kinda entirely how i utilize meta, whether or not people feel the same to games wherein i know their alignment
You compare people to their scumgames without asking whether their towngames are also similar?

more like i compare them to all the games that i played with them, figure out which one is the best 'match' and see what their alignment was in that game

skitter30 · Post Post #642 (isolation #51) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:34 am

you being distant and commenting on superficial setup stuff instead of reads stuff
(again might be a function of being vla but if it keeps up it's scummy for you)

skitter30 · Post Post #645 (isolation #52) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:36 am

In post 643, Something_Smart wrote:I'm pretty sure the very first thing I did in PYP was get in an argument about whether a governor should claim.

yeah but you actually felt invested in that argument
here you're just passively making comments

skitter30 · Post Post #647 (isolation #53) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:38 am

ok
i could be wrong but this is what i view to be the difference between your town and scumgames

skitter30 · Post Post #650 (isolation #54) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:40 am

you weren't in city?
i would have called you out on it cept you were townread more than me and it would have made me look bad

skitter30 · Post Post #654 (isolation #55) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:44 am

ss did you get any reads but from the bits of the game you did read?

skitter30 · Post Post #657 (isolation #56) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:49 am

I know, sorry, that was meant to be shorthand for 'bits of the game that you remember reading'

Why townlean on gobble?

skitter30 · Post Post #685 (isolation #57) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:34 am

guys i'm not vibing this wagon and i don't get it

skitter30 · Post Post #695 (isolation #58) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:38 am

In post 660, Datisi wrote:skit do you think bingle was assessing me/mena interaction in good faith?

i don't really have an opinion, i could see it either way
that whole convo was just kinda meh to me tbh

skitter30 · Post Post #703 (isolation #59) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:40 am

can any of the like 5 people on that wagon explain why gobbles is scummy now?
i really don't get it

and VOTE: something_smart

skitter30 · Post Post #706 (isolation #60) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:41 am

In post 698, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 691, Bingle wrote:ngl, the speed is very unnerving.
Honestly, I think the number of people who immediately popped in to express their dislike for the wagon is much more notable.

what does this even mean? aren't you townreading gobbles?

skitter30 · Post Post #709 (isolation #61) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:42 am

In post 668, MariaR wrote:VOTE: Gobble

L-1

actually what is this
VOTE: maria

skitter30 · Post Post #714 (isolation #62) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:46 am

In post 707, Bingle wrote:Maria's case:

yeah that's why i voted mariar in the first place

gobble did you respond to jingle's case against you?

skitter30 · Post Post #715 (isolation #63) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:47 am

In post 712, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 706, skitter30 wrote:what does this even mean? aren't you townreading gobbles?
It means exactly what it says. I don't really care that gobble's wagon reached L-2 quickly, but I do care that a bunch of people immediately stepped in to defend him. I wasn't suggesting that any particular conclusion should be drawn from it.

I'm townleaning him.

ok, why do you think it's noteworthy that multiple people jumped in to defend him?

skitter30 · Post Post #720 (isolation #64) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:49 am

In post 717, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 715, skitter30 wrote:ok, why do you think it's noteworthy that multiple people jumped in to defend him?
Because that rarely happens?

ok and the conclusion is ...

like why are you pointing it out if you think he's town anyways? isn't it a good thing that people are defendign him?

skitter30 · Post Post #723 (isolation #65) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:50 am

ok, and why is something that you think is unlikely to come from town!jingle?

fire i'm townreading you and it's scaring me

skitter30 · Post Post #736 (isolation #66) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:57 am

VOTE: something_smart

i am content with either a mariar or ss vote rn
i don't like the gobble thing

skitter30 · Post Post #739 (isolation #67) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:00 am

ok, what am i clueless about

skitter30 · Post Post #747 (isolation #68) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:06 am

In post 743, MariaR wrote:
In post 739, skitter30 wrote:ok, what am i clueless about
I see a lot of questions like you're unaware of what the game state is or you're trying to develop reads but I don't see good or any follow up at times. I think you're just trying to stay busy on the sidelines. You don't get a wagon? Then explain your read on the slot and defend it. If you're really this clueless as you're portraying than I can help, but I don't think you are.

i think i'm p aware of the gamestate rn?
and i think i'm being proactive in developing reads and sharing them?
i don't know if i townread gobbles but the wagon came out of nowhere for dubious reasons imo and i'm suspicious of how it formed

i'm not really sure where you're getting this impression from

skitter30 · Post Post #748 (isolation #69) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:07 am

In post 745, MariaR wrote:You agree SS is scummy right? What's the bases of your SS scumread?

- feels more distant than i think town!him would be
- taking weird stances
- feeling like on the edge of the game

skitter30 · Post Post #757 (isolation #70) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:17 am

In post 749, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 748, skitter30 wrote:- feels more distant than i think town!him would be
Based on what?

pyp

skitter30 · Post Post #758 (isolation #71) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:17 am

In post 751, MariaR wrote:Weird because you don't understand the wagon or weird because it was scum driven in your eyes?

weird because i don't udnerstand the wagon so it makes me question if it's scum driven
but then ss started shading the people opposing the wagon which i thought was strange

skitter30 · Post Post #760 (isolation #72) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:18 am

In post 752, Blake Belladonna wrote:VOTE: Skitter30

yeah you're going to have to elaborate

skitter30 · Post Post #762 (isolation #73) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:19 am

In post 759, MariaR wrote:You saying you're aware of the gamestate is even more concerning than if you told me 'yeah I'm a bit confused right now.' Because you haven't explained why I'm scum. Well, you quoted a post and said 'that's why I'm voting her' but anyone can do that. You say you don't get the gobble wagon after responding to a quote where me and Bingle both cased him. So I know you didn't miss it. To me it feels like you're just making up being clueless to not get on the gobble wagon.

i'm pretty sure i said why i'm voting you - your initial gobble case / push was bad and looked fake

i can see the cases and still not get where the flashwagon came from

skitter30 · Post Post #765 (isolation #74) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:21 am

mariar what do you think my push on you is

skitter30 · Post Post #766 (isolation #75) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:22 am

In post 764, MariaR wrote:And why is it bad/fake? You need to use more words that aren't just buzz.

i don't know. it didn't feel like something you actually believed. i don't have more words to articulate it but i can read it again and try to see if i can

skitter30 · Post Post #769 (isolation #76) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:24 am

i know, i acknowledged that.
i'm not voting you for the distance-ness, because it could be explained by the vla

i voted you for shading the people who objected to the gobble wagon because i don't get how that makes sense from the perspective of someone townreading gobble

skitter30 · Post Post #772 (isolation #77) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:27 am

In post 401, MariaR wrote:I want gobble to explain like, anything. His reads feel entirely made up on the spot/meaning to take advantage of the game state. It's a light read that will probably change when he gives me the sit down, but until then I will call him scum. This game had a lot more filler than I was expecting, making it a bit harder to get into it.

it was still a relatively early point of the game and this feels like a baseless accusation ^

In post 428, MariaR wrote:Aka you're not gonna do it because they are made up. Got it~

like why do you think they're made up?

and then you shade gobble for a while without voting him

skitter30 · Post Post #774 (isolation #78) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:29 am

In post 770, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 769, skitter30 wrote:i voted you for shading the people who objected to the gobble wagon because i don't get how that makes sense from the perspective of someone townreading gobble
Why is that something I'm more likely to do as scum?

Do you think I'm in the habit of intentionally appearing superficially contradictory (and it's NOT contradictory, by the way!) as scum for shits and giggles?

i have no idea, but you can be scum and not playing perfectly and mess up

i don't know why town with those reads would say that, so it seems scummy to me. like it doesn't fit with the thought process you're purporting to have about the game, and that's a scum characteristic imo

skitter30 · Post Post #776 (isolation #79) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:29 am

blake i wanna hear more about why i'm scum

skitter30 · Post Post #804 (isolation #80) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:18 pm

In post 778, MariaR wrote:1) Gobble thought I was scum in a pervious game and went after me hard for it. Here he basically feels like a doormat. He's lacking any energy at all. It's not normal.
2) It's made up because the main reason he scumread me doesn't exist. He said I wasn't scumhunting on a page that was me answering questions.
3) Does the timing of my vote matter?

ok this makes a bit more sense
i'm not sure i agree but i get your pov now

i'm not sure if i'm voting you but UNVOTE:

skitter30 · Post Post #807 (isolation #81) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:20 pm

In post 781, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 774, skitter30 wrote:i don't know why town with those reads would say that, so it seems scummy to me. like it doesn't fit with the thought process you're purporting to have about the game, and that's a scum characteristic imo
Can you elaborate on what you think I said and why you think it doesn't make sense?

i think you said that you're townreading gobbles
and that it's strange that multiple people came into the thread to complain about the wagon against him
(and that's weirder than multiple people wagoning him)

but if you think he's town i'm not sure why it's strange that people don't like his wagon

skitter30 · Post Post #808 (isolation #82) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:21 pm

In post 805, Blake Belladonna wrote:VOTE: Skitter30

I will engage into this more later. I'm currently handling other things.

i do strongly want to hear more about this assessment when you have more time

skitter30 · Post Post #809 (isolation #83) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:22 pm

In post 790, Something_Smart wrote:And when I did helpfully tell her the thought process I was having, while explaining that I didn't have a conclusion yet, she seems to be treating it as though that was some ironclad claim I made.

it's not an ironclad claim but it's a thought process that doesn't make sense to me

skitter30 · Post Post #812 (isolation #84) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:30 pm

In post 810, Something_Smart wrote:It is very rarely the case that I see multiple people come in to see a wagon that has picked up rapidly and immediately speak out against it. A lot of the time, the only person doing this is me, and a lot of the time I am ignored. I don't DISAGREE with the people doing it. I just think it's objectively a rare occurrence and therefore worth noting.

i feel like this is something i say all the time, and that people say in my games a lot so i'm not even sure why it's strange enough that you feel the need to remark upon it

in the context of people saying that it's strange his wagon got run up so high so fast, you chiming in to say that you think it's strange that people are saying that makes it seem like you're shading the people protesting the speed of the wagon, which is the part that seems incongruent with townleaning gobble to me

skitter30 · Post Post #813 (isolation #85) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:31 pm

i don't know how to explain that better

skitter30 · Post Post #814 (isolation #86) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:34 pm

oh i unvoted ss
VOTE: something_smart

skitter30 · Post Post #816 (isolation #87) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:57 pm

In post 698, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 691, Bingle wrote:ngl, the speed is very unnerving.
Honestly, I think the number of people who immediately popped in to express their dislike for the wagon is much more notable.

i don't know how else to explain what i'm thinking
this post doesn't 'match' you saying you have a townlean on gobble

skitter30 · Post Post #819 (isolation #88) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:04 pm

i think that's an inaccurate assessment

skitter30 · Post Post #820 (isolation #89) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:04 pm

In post 817, Something_Smart wrote:It sounds like you're saying that my thoughts don't divide everyone neatly into a "town" or "scum" box, and that's bad.

also i'm not sure that this what i'm saying either

skitter30 · Post Post #822 (isolation #90) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:07 pm

ss what are you trying to do here?

skitter30 · Post Post #824 (isolation #91) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:11 pm

how are you reading me rn ?

skitter30 · Post Post #830 (isolation #92) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:21 pm

ss i'm very confused by this entire interaction

skitter30 · Post Post #834 (isolation #93) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:24 pm

are you trying to get me to change my mind on you?

skitter30 · Post Post #835 (isolation #94) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:25 pm

In post 826, Blake Belladonna wrote:Regardless, this engagement makes no sense if both sides are scum, and I strongly doubt this engagement happens the way it does if both are town. And in this particular case, it makes a lot more sense if Skitter30 is the scum within this dichotomy.

blake this doesn't feel like a natural interaction to me either

skitter30 · Post Post #837 (isolation #95) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:28 pm

that's why i kinda stopped and asked what he's trying to do because the fact that this convo is still happening is weird and i don't know what he's trying to convince me of

skitter30 · Post Post #839 (isolation #96) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:32 pm

In post 823, Something_Smart wrote:Understand your thought process so I can try to show you where I disagree.

like i kinda felt like he was pushing me but this isn't something you're trying to accomplish with a scumlean but he says he's townreading me so i'm not sure why that conversation just happened unless he's trying to get me to unvote him?

skitter30 · Post Post #844 (isolation #97) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:57 pm

In post 840, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 834, skitter30 wrote:are you trying to get me to change my mind on you?
Yes.

i think the part that was confusing me is that it didn't feel like you were townreading me that strongly so i'm not sure why you were putting in so much effort to get me to change my mind

skitter30 · Post Post #853 (isolation #98) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 5:08 pm

In post 848, Something_Smart wrote:I don't. That's why I wanted her to explain more because that's what she appeared to be doing.

it's not tho ...

mena do you think i'm super offbase with ss here ?

skitter30 · Post Post #857 (isolation #99) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:42 am

it didn't make sense to me and his followup on it felt very strange to me

skitter30 · Post Post #860 (isolation #100) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:55 am

well, more accurately, it felt like a strange reaction to have - you're townleaning someone, they're flashwagoned, and you don't commnent on the strangeness of the flashwagon, but you note that it's weird that people are defending someone you're townleaning
i would kinda expect town watching a townlean get flashwagoned to say that the wagon was weird (i.e. i'd expect him to be one of the people commenting that the flashwagon was strange). like there's some kind of disconnect there to think it's strange that people would comment on the flashwagon because that's what i'd expect town!him to be doing

i don't know if that explained what i was thinking better

and then the whole page-long convo about it was weird too

fire picked up on just the same thing at the same time as me - that's why i tentatively said i'm townreading him there

skitter30 · Post Post #865 (isolation #101) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:18 am

ok
UNVOTE:
i am willing to acknowledge that i may have misunderstood the connotations of what you said
i still think the whole follow-up convo you had with me last night was weird tho

skitter30 · Post Post #869 (isolation #102) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:22 am

VOTE: chemist

skitter30 · Post Post #871 (isolation #103) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:25 am

skitter30 · Post Post #873 (isolation #104) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:37 am

i don't like the other wagons and chemist hasn't done anything yet
it's a pressure vote more than anything else

skitter30 · Post Post #876 (isolation #105) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:41 am

ok, why

skitter30 · Post Post #878 (isolation #106) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:42 am

oh i didn't realize it went to the next page lol

skitter30 · Post Post #882 (isolation #107) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:45 am

In post 877, Menalque wrote:
In post 871, skitter30 wrote:y
seems weird that you're ducking out onto chem right after I asked him for reads

just like, kind of pre-emptive and given what I know of chemist if he's town then him feeling pressured on re-entry is going to make him feel less like playing and make him more Lynch baity

basically, I think chem could be scum here and that's why I wanted him to give some reads and to try to engage him. and I feel like you voting him right as I'm trying to get his engagement up is liable to make it harder for him if he's not scum to get into the game

i saw him post last night saying he would catch up, and then you asking him that reminded me that ... he didn't
i don't know his meta so i can unvote him if you strongly think that will make it easier for town!him to engage
i don't know where to vote rn tho

skitter30 · Post Post #885 (isolation #108) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:47 am

In post 0, ofrhz wrote:01. Menalque - i think i'm just not going to get paranoid today
02. gobbledygook - maybe town? wagon weird af tho
03. skitter30
04. Bingle
05. MariaR
06. Something_Smart - maybe scum?
07. lilith2013 - maybe town ?
08. Pink Ball
09. PenguinPower - maybe town?
10. Chemist1422
11. Firebringer - town
12. Blake Belladonna
13. Datisi

these are basically my reads whoooooo

skitter30 · Post Post #886 (isolation #109) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:47 am

UNVOTE:
if i'm unimpressed with how he catches up / reengages i'll vote again tho

skitter30 · Post Post #889 (isolation #110) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:53 am

actually i'm going to upgrade datisi to 'maybe town ?'

skitter30 · Post Post #921 (isolation #111) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:50 am

@mena so about chemist ...

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:20 am

More like i dont know where scum is so i can start sorting other people

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:21 am

In post 927, Pink Ball wrote:Let's DO IT

VOTE: skitter30

Hi

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:22 am

Tyty
Pink ball who's scum ?

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:26 am

In post 933, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 928, skitter30 wrote:More like i dont know where scum is so i can start sorting other people
Yeah but why start with chemist? He seems like the easiest vote to make because he is lurking and I feel like you don’t make easy votes as town

Cuz idk where scum is and i didnt want to not be voting so i voted him as a pressure vote

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:27 am

In post 935, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 932, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 926, gobbledygook wrote:I don’t like skitter randomly going after chemist. It reads to me like she’s trying to get away from the SS interaction she had by creating new talking points on an easy slot to go after
Is that a thing town wouldn't do? If she thinks she got tunneled or sidetracked then she'd want to try to branch out and talk about something else, no?
She doesn’t think she’s wrong about her scumread on you though

I decided to step backa bit and reasses because it is possible i just very much misunderstood him

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:28 am

In post 937, Menalque wrote:I am willing to bet actual, real life money that it's not (skitt, chem, bingleboi)

This isnt the exact scumteam or you're townreading all of these people?

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:29 am

In post 940, gobbledygook wrote:I know why you voted him, that’s another part of the problem. Publicly calling it a pressure vote defeats the point of it

... i was asked to explain
I didnt start by explaining

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:32 am

In post 944, Menalque wrote:How do you think scum would approach this game, skitter?

As in, lots of fairly/very strong players, a couple of people known for being a bit more chilled out and just fun to play with as opposed to highly game-solving motivated.

Worm into a townbloc
Try to have some say in how the mechanics are going to go down
Be one of the chill players

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:32 am

In post 947, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 943, skitter30 wrote:
In post 940, gobbledygook wrote:I know why you voted him, that’s another part of the problem. Publicly calling it a pressure vote defeats the point of it
... i was asked to explain
I didnt start by explaining
Ok, why not just call it a vote for lurking or no content?

I dont understand the question, sorry

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:33 am

In post 945, Menalque wrote:
In post 941, skitter30 wrote:
In post 937, Menalque wrote:I am willing to bet actual, real life money that it's not (skitt, chem, bingleboi)
This isnt the exact scumteam or you're townreading all of these people?
Deferring answering this to when I post my readslist

Fair enough, so long as the readslist is soonish

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:35 am

Be back in a bit, sorry, about yo be driving

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:52 am

In post 953, gobbledygook wrote:My question is why not say, when asked why you’re voting chemist, that you’re voting him for lurking or not having any content?

isn't that what a pressure vote is?
i'm not sure if i'm missing something but i'm still not srue what you're asking me

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:53 am

In post 954, Menalque wrote:Are these individual scum team goals? And why the last one?

more individual than team goals, yeah
i feel like there's some players who, if they can get away with not doing much by playing that way, would do just that

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:54 am

In post 963, gobbledygook wrote:I’m confused by your use of tunneled. You are using as skitter self realizes she is tunneling right? I did not read it that way at first

that's what my unvote post was, yeah

@mena also scum would try to pocket the strong town players if they can

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:58 am

because i was asked to explain it ...

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:00 pm

it's not like i waltzed in and was like
vote: chemist
this is a pressure vote !!!!

later somebody asked me to explain it and they said that town!chemist doesn't respond super well to pressure that way so i unvoted

i'm not sure what you're asking/expecting of me here

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:01 pm

i don't know yet
i don't have a good enough grasp on the gamestate yet

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:05 pm

gobble i unvoted just about the time i said it was a pressure vote
i didn't say it was a pressure vote when i voted

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:08 pm

yes, that's why it was a pressure vote

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:11 pm

because i didn't know where else to vote so i just voted there while i try to sort it out
i posted my reads at just about the same time and if you notice i said i didn't have scumreads really on anyone other than ss and i wanted to take a step back there

i feel like you're treating this as a permanent / intent-to-wagon vote when that's not what it was, and i feel like i've been clear as to just what kind of vote it was

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:15 pm

i don't know why i voted him, it felt like the right vote at the time
and yes if someone fails to live up to the pressure it becomes a real vote

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:17 pm

i don't know

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:19 pm

i mean i feel like it was fairly clear?
i voted him as a pressure vote cuz i feel like he's lurking and not providing content
mena says that town!him reacts poorly to that sort of pressure so i backed off, but said if he didn't step it up i'd vote him again

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:22 pm

In post 992, Menalque wrote:why do you think you're struggling to get a grasp on the gamestate, skitt?

i don't know
i feel oddly disengaged from it
like a lot of things feel fluffy and i haven't really felt like i found something to like ~latch~ on to
i'm working on it but i don't have super many super great reads and i'm aware of that
like i just feel like a lot of people have posted a lot of stuff but that a lot of it isn't ai

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:31 pm

yeah a newbie from like last september, i can pull it up in a bit

it's not that i can't find people who i think are doing those things so much as i think multiple people are doing those things but i'm not sure it makes them scum

i.e. those are the tihngs i think scum would be doing, but it's not exclusive to scum, and town can do those things too. there are people doing those things but i don't know which alignment it's coming from

like pb would fit the 'being chill' mode
jingle would fit the 'using mechancis to mess with things' mode

i'm not sure that doing those things inherently make them scum because i can also see those people doing things as town

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:31 pm

In post 1003, gobbledygook wrote:Ok... do you think Datisi is being passive right now

yeah and it's lowkey townie i think

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:33 pm

no those were just an example, i could fit like at least half the pl into some of those categories

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:34 pm

that's the point, he would as either alignment, which is why i'm not calling him scummy for it and why that question didn't progress anywhere

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:35 pm

In post 1010, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 1006, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1003, gobbledygook wrote:Ok... do you think Datisi is being passive right now
yeah and it's lowkey townie i think

Orly

Why is it townie to you?

because i've seen town!him play like this in two different recent games and i think scum!him tries to tryhard more

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:43 pm

In post 0, ofrhz wrote:01. Menalque - try to get into the townbloc and pocket people
02. gobbledygook
03. skitter30
04. Bingle - try to fuck with mechanics
05. MariaR
06. Something_Smart - try to fuck with mechanics and get into townbloc
07. lilith2013
08. Pink Ball - chill
09. PenguinPower - chill
10. Chemist1422
11. Firebringer - chill
12. Blake Belladonna - ultimately get into townbloc (i'm aware she isn't rn)
13. Datisi - if scum would be trying to get into townbloc i think and the fact that he isn't / not tryharding is lowkey townie

and most of these people are doing these things and i'd expect them to try to do them as either alignment so this isn't a useful way to view the gamestae for me rn

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:46 pm

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=80701
this one

^

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:46 pm

In post 1022, Menalque wrote:I'm nearly done, I promise, who do you think I'm trying to pocket is the only thing that occurs to me based on that?

sorry can you rephrase the question, i'm reading it and it doesn't make sense to me

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:49 pm

idk i felt the same way in that game as i do here (like oddly detached and having a hard time getting into it) and that's the first one that comes to mind

if you're scum you'd be trying to pocket me and possibly pb i think

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:53 pm

i'm going to go back here i think
VOTE: something smart
even with the tunneling / misunderstanding what he meant about the gobble wagon he feels like scum!him i think

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:56 pm

In post 1033, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1030, skitter30 wrote:even with the tunneling / misunderstanding what he meant about the gobble wagon he feels like scum!him i think
In what way?

the questions you're asking and the way you're approaching the game feels like how you were interacting in city

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:59 pm

In post 1039, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1036, skitter30 wrote:the questions you're asking and the way you're approaching the game feels like how you were interacting in city
Yeah. That's because that's how I interact as town...

i don't think so
i'm basically basing it off of pyp and city
and i was scum in both so that might be warping my perception
but you feel a lot more like city than pyp

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:02 pm

you feel more passive and like you're reacting to things rather than trying to set/determine the conversation yourself

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:06 pm

i dont' know if i'm explaining it right but in pyp you were very active, had opinions on most things, and you were persuasive, had firm opinions, and tried to to keep everyone on the right track, especially wrt mechanical things

in city you just kinda took the townread and ran and didn't try to like proactively do anything and you just went with the flow

it's like a big rock in middle of a river that determines the water flow (pyp)
vs a rock just floating down the river (city)

and you feel like the latter

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:11 pm

i'm not sure if it's too early
the way you're engaging with the thread just lacks the ~presence~ you had in pyp

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:37 pm

at least a year ago i would say
i kinda wnat to get back into wallposting

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:01 pm

one of the ones i kept referencing in the last pyp as me being scum in

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:03 pm

(i'm not sure i claim proficiency, i only have a sample size of 2)
but it makes me think he's scum nonetheless

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:54 pm

In post 1069, Menalque wrote:It also pings me mildly that she felt the need to make 858 as I think town that's busy typically just is busy and tends to drop content in when they can rather than excuse their not being able to do so. It's not lockscumable imo, but it is a tell that I've used and had used against me in the past and that in conjunction with the other stuff is enough for her to be in my solve.

the thing is that i think that scum!her just doesn't bother popping in, which is why i think it's low-key townie

i dont' agree with much of your readslist and that's a bit troubling

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:57 pm

it's actually also making me realize i do in fact have opinions on many people cuz you're opinions are feeling kinda wrong

pedit which game are y'all taking about
pedit oh that one
yeah that's one of the ones that i think he feels a bit different from

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:01 pm

i think she just didn't even bother reading like the latter half of the game of city
tbf that might be because she was in a hydra and had the liberty to do that cuz ss was posting for her, but it still feels sufficiently different to me

bingle, mariar, pb, lilith, pp, and maybe gobble all feel like they're in the wrong place

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:38 pm

In post 1120, gobbledygook wrote:I am PR though. I thought I’ve been pretty clear with my crumbs.

I saw it for the record
I'm not actually townreading him on play but i didnt want to push cuz of the crumb i saw, that's why i protested his wagon

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:41 pm

I dont think he's a vig and i should probably stop posting about this now

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:02 pm

Yeah i'm aware of that, but it was enough that i didnt want to push him day1
Like it gives him a day1 pass but that's it

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:36 pm

I wasnt scumreading you
I also wasnt townreading you

You were in my great big pile of null up until you interrogated me over my chemist vote, that was a weird convo

The thought did cross my mind earlier that you were trying to be lowkey to avoid getting nk'd

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:48 pm

VOTE: maria

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:14 pm

In post 1165, gobbledygook wrote:I actually do not have the energy to deal with this any further, but I do not want to replace out.

I am the serial killer. I am sorry if I offended mariar or anyone else. I will not be leashed, but I will only be shooting people I legitimately believe are scum.

Lmao ok

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:15 pm

In post 684, gobbledygook wrote:I am shocked they are not town reads!! Do you think we need to call their doctors?

@pb i thought he was softing doc, which is why i immediately protested the wagon like 3 posts later

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:17 pm

In post 1181, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 1180, lilith2013 wrote:
In post 1178, Pink Ball wrote:What do you think it means, lilith?
that you think it’s incongruous for skitter to have stayed off the wagon after seeing a crumb? which I’m not really getting?
gobble claimed he was crumbing his role, skitter said she stayed off wagon because of said wagon, and now gobble claimed he's the serial killer. So gobble lied. So skitter lied.

No, i didnt. I misinterpreted a post which is not at all the same thing

Gobble did you take bp or the ninja one?

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:20 pm

In post 1208, Pink Ball wrote:I'm saying skitter said she saw the crumbs because it was convenient for her to say that, 'cause it's something you can wash off easily too ("Oh I guess what I saw wasn't a crumb then")

Again i misinterpreted a post as a doc soft

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:22 pm

In post 1219, Bingle wrote:Nope, was misremembering. I thought she did basically the same thing in C9 but it turns out that not only was that actually 8 months ago (How does time even work?) but she did functionally the opposite with scumreading ducky despite crumbs.

Skits, could you point to what and why you thought were crumbs worth backing off from?

I actually did do the same thing there, wherein i (correctly) spotted an egix doc crumb, townread him for mysterious reasons over it, and lynched you cuz i thought you were trying to lynch the doc anyways

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:24 pm

In post 1221, Pink Ball wrote:1)skitter is town, saw the crumb and for some reason she felt the need of telling everyone she saw the crumb when the conversation had nothing to do with that 'cause she didn't even defend gobble when she said she saw the crumb

No, I immediately started complaining the wagon was bad, why dont you take another look at the posts i made just after the gobble post i quoted above

Why are you assuming i'm lying ...

It doesnt even make sense as a scum tactic unless you think i'm exactly scum with him

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:25 pm

In post 684, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 651, Datisi wrote:VOTE: gobble
Why?

In post 653, PenguinPower wrote:VOTE: gobble
Qu'est-ce que c'est!? Pourquoi?

In post 655, Firebringer wrote:people have a read on gobbles here. I am shocked.
I am shocked they are not town reads!! Do you think we need to call their doctors?

In post 666, Menalque wrote:
L-2
Monsieur.... oh mon dieu.

In post 685, skitter30 wrote:guys i'm not vibing this wagon and i don't get it

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:26 pm

Lilith is town

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:27 pm

VOTE: ss

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:30 pm

Lilith how are you reading ss?

skitter30 · Mon Jun 08, 2020 11:42 pm

I think that leashing killing roles is close to impossible the first night since there might be a bus driver

It might be better just to lynch him actually

skitter30 · Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:03 am

Also if ss were scum i'd expect multiple scum to be on the original gobble wagon

skitter30 · Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:07 am

In post 1253, skitter30 wrote:
In post 684, gobbledygook wrote:I am shocked they are not town reads!! Do you think we need to call their doctors?
@pb i thought he was softing doc, which is why i immediately protested the wagon like 3 posts later

skitter30 · Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:17 am

Probably doesnt come from scum!him

skitter30 · Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:42 am

In post 1271, Menalque wrote:Okay why, because pure boi and Maria said the same thing but I thought it was a really +scum reaction to have

I dont think he reacts to scumreads opinionatedly and aggressively like this

skitter30 · Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:43 am

skitter30 · Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:52 am

I misread implausible as plausible, sorry
I think it's unlikely the entire team is in that group.
If its a 2man scumteam maaaaaaaybe but if its a 3man i would be quite shocked

skitter30 · Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:41 am

In post 1286, Menalque wrote:I think it’s reasonable to dismiss the top outcome and the bottom as highly unlikely for now (can be reconsidered in the case of a large number of PR/VT flips later on) which gives us 2 setups, one with a two man scumteam, one with a threeman.

i'm not super comfortable removing those setups until/unless we have further information that shows why this would be highly unlikely
(and you saying this reminds me of nom's c++) ...

skitter30 · Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:42 am

In post 1288, Menalque wrote:
In post 1285, skitter30 wrote:I misread implausible as plausible, sorry
I think it's unlikely the entire team is in that group.
If its a 2man scumteam maaaaaaaybe but if its a 3man i would be quite shocked
Okay, then where am I going wrong?

What if I expand that to include S_S?

The whole scumteam in (PP, Lilith, chem, skitt, S_S)?

well lilith is one of my strongest townreads and i don't agree with scumreading pp so like ...
i don't feel like i can make a good determination rn

i would be shocked if all scum were in {pp, lilith, chem} if it's a 3man. if it's a 2man slightly more likely but i'm not super vibing it
i can see like 2 scum in {pp, lilith, chem, ss}, i guess

skitter30 · Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:43 am

In post 1290, Menalque wrote:
In post 1280, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1271, Menalque wrote:Okay why, because pure boi and Maria said the same thing but I thought it was a really +scum reaction to have
I dont think he reacts to scumreads opinionatedly and aggressively like this
Based on past experience or just how he is generally?

based on your normal that you're citing for scumreading him ...

skitter30 · Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:48 am

i'm saying that i'm wary listening to you handwaving away two of the setups out of consideration just yet

skitter30 · Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:58 am

In post 1302, Pink Ball wrote:@skitter I don't buy your explanation. Thinking that gobble is crumbing because he used the word doctor in a post is looking down on gobble as a player and I don't think you would do that. Also, I already explained why it would be convenient for you to say out loud that you saw the crumb

ok?
i mean that's what happened, and you can see quite clearly that it affected my immediate actions
it was a very odd use of the word doctor (like did you look at the context ...) so i thought he was softing

like do you think i'm lying about seeing it or ...

skitter30 · Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:59 am

In post 684, gobbledygook wrote:I am shocked they are not town reads!! Do you think we need to call their doctors?

like this looks like a natural usage of the word doctor to you?
it's really weird both in and out of context

skitter30 · Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:02 am

yeah i thought it was weird cuz it was a soft
(and i thought he was acting up being weird to avoid being an nk)

pedit .... did nobody else see that post

skitter30 · Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:06 am

also just pointing out that people don't inherently get townpoints for pushing the sk wagon since scum don't know gobble's scum either

pedit i'd want to give him like a 3 person pool he'd need to kill in

pedit if you won't be leashed we can just lynch you so like this is probably not the best position for you to be taking as an outed sk

skitter30 · Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:08 am

In post 1319, gobbledygook wrote:I think Bingle saw my other crumbs but still remained on my wagon after even quoting them so I’m suss of him.

what were the other crumbs

skitter30 · Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:17 am

i think i'm coming around to town!mena

skitter30 · Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:25 am

man i really think ss is scum here

skitter30 · Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:27 am

if he thinks you'll shoot town he gets another person closer to lylo without having to do anything

skitter30 · Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:31 am

this is gonna be a mess, i think

skitter30 · Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:38 am

In post 1341, gobbledygook wrote:This skitter reminds me of the skitter in Menalque’s favorite places and I think shes town

me too

skitter30 · Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:40 am

no that's a bad vote

skitter30 · Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:13 am

blake what changed on me ?

skitter30 · Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:00 am

i feel like if you claimed sk you might as well just claim everything

skitter30 · Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:32 am

In post 1376, lilith2013 wrote:
In post 1259, skitter30 wrote:Lilith is town
explain please?

In post 1261, skitter30 wrote:Lilith how are you reading ss?
I think he’s tentatively town. He’s done one of the things I use to townread him, but not the other yet. If he does the second thing then my read will be 99.5% confidence.

In post 1263, skitter30 wrote:Also if ss were scum i'd expect multiple scum to be on the original gobble wagon
Who do you think would be the scum on the wagon in that scenario?

first bit: you feel different from city
last bit: jingle, mariar and possibly mena, in roughly that order. if jingle is town datisi would be put in that group too. (i.e. i don't think taht jingle and datisi are scum together)

skitter30 · Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:33 am

In post 1381, lilith2013 wrote:
In post 1336, skitter30 wrote:man i really think ss is scum here
because of the mechanics talk or for some other reason?

he feels like how he interacted in city + i don't like his mechanics talk

skitter30 · Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:34 am

i think lilith being prickly about her activity is town indicative
mena when do we get to push chemist for not doing anything

skitter30 · Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:01 am

i would kinda be ok with that but i'm hesitant because there's the potential of a bus driver and i'm a little worried about things turning ugly

like i would be ok with: here's a lynch pool of 3 names and you must shoot one of them. that would drastically lower the possibility of things going awry via bus driver i think because scum wouldn't know who to bus drive