Open 781: JK9++ Game Over!

[Blake Belladonna]

Hello everybody.

VOTE: PenguinPower

[Blake Belladonna]

Btw none of the past six pages have anything strongly alignment worthy. Take that as you will.

I have this same impression. I've gotten some pings so far, but in context of what I would expect from each player on an individual level regarding the potential accuracy of such pings, they amount to very little.

This looks like a game where lurking might end up being the best strategy for me, so don't expect me to come out swinging for at least the beginning of the game.

[Blake Belladonna]

Btw none of the past six pages have anything strongly alignment worthy. Take that as you will.

I have this same impression. I've gotten some pings so far, but in context of what I would expect from each player on an individual level regarding the potential accuracy of such pings, they amount to very little.

This looks like a game where lurking might end up being the best strategy for me, so don't expect me to come out swinging for at least the beginning of the game.

Im killing u tonight first.

Okay.

[Blake Belladonna]

I'm not convinced.

[Blake Belladonna]

Interesting take. What do you make of the repeated stance that he won’t engage until he’s scumread?

He does this pretty consistently in the majority of his games. I've seen him do it within the past couple of months.

[Blake Belladonna]

That's a very interesting take in response to somebody who's arguing down a scumread.

[Blake Belladonna]

I have not done my due diligence regarding this game yet, but as of now I have gotten primarily town pings from Bingle.

This is a low confidence read as of now.

[Blake Belladonna]

lol ok blake

I apologize for not being engaged into the game. I promise I will make it up to you by locktowning you.

[Blake Belladonna]

Firebringer is town.

[Blake Belladonna]

I've read all of this games posts actually. Although I do wish this was my casual game at this point, I've made a commitment.
pedit: Why's that?

My intuition is telling me that this is not how Firebringer approaches this game as mafia.

This is a low confidence read.

[Blake Belladonna]

I've read all of this games posts actually. Although I do wish this was my casual game at this point, I've made a commitment.
pedit: Why's that?

My intuition is telling me that this is not how Firebringer approaches this game as mafia.

This is a low confidence read.

How do you expect scum Fire to approach this playerlist?

The way he fluff posts across alignments is distinct enough that I think I would pick up on it if it's his scum fluffposting. I'd have to more thoroughly analyze it to be certain, but the way it appears right now leans town to me currently.

[Blake Belladonna]

@blake I’m happy for you to sit back if it helps you to get a better grasp on the game but I’d like you have offered hard takes on as many slots as possible when we’re halfway - 70% of the way to deadline

Would that work for you?

This is fair.

[Blake Belladonna]

Honestly, though.

I am starting to get the impression that my usual day one methods may not work this game. Don't get too hyped up.

[Blake Belladonna]

Interesting.

Nothing I've done up to this point is alignment indicative.

[Blake Belladonna]

Skitter30, how well do you believe you can read Gobbledygook?

[Blake Belladonna]

Thank you.

[Blake Belladonna]

Dw Mena if it makes you feel better there's about a list of 5 players that scare me/know how to read me. Just do your best and don't have your 'want me to be town' blind ya. As for Blake, I think I can read her if she plays the game more actively but I haven't played with half hearted Blake before so its hard.

This entrance is somewhat similar to my play in the first half of TM2020's large. The only significant difference is that I'm not trying to force anything.

I'm also having real life problems currently, so I'm not looking to hyperengage right now. I'm still following along, roughly.

[Blake Belladonna]

If you need anything specific from me, give me post numbers.

[Blake Belladonna]

@blake is there anyone in the PL you’re historically good at reading well?

I don't believe I've read Datisi incorrectly yet, but I'd need another scumgame with him to be certain it's not a fluke.

Otherwise, Firebringer is somebody I can usually read intuitively. Everybody else I think would depend on the game.

I'm not entirely sure why Bingle thinks I have a good read rate of him., usually he's the one scum I don't catch. I think he more believes this because I think my town playstyle counters his scum playstyle.

[Blake Belladonna]

I don't believe I've read Datisi incorrectly yet, but I'd need another scumgame with him to be certain it's not a fluke.

another?

I was in Grey Flag or whichever one it is some time back.

[Blake Belladonna]

guys i'm not vibing this wagon and i don't get it

Same.

[Blake Belladonna]

I don't like either side of this skitter30 vs Something_Smart exchange.

[Blake Belladonna]

I never said I didn't like the wagon. I said I don't understand it.

There's a big difference.

[Blake Belladonna]

Honestly, though.

I am starting to get the impression that my usual day one methods may not work this game. Don't get too hyped up.

What are your usual Day 1 methods?

1. Determine early townreads intuitively within the first several pages.
2. Determine what scum are likely to be doing assuming those slots are town. Get more townreads.
3. Determine which slot makes the most sense as scum from my read on the game.
4. Flip that slot.
5. Revise assumptions.
6. Repeat 3-5

[Blake Belladonna]

Dw Mena if it makes you feel better there's about a list of 5 players that scare me/know how to read me. Just do your best and don't have your 'want me to be town' blind ya. As for Blake, I think I can read her if she plays the game more actively but I haven't played with half hearted Blake before so its hard.

This entrance is somewhat similar to my play in the first half of TM2020's large. The only significant difference is that I'm not trying to force anything.

I'm also having real life problems currently, so I'm not looking to hyperengage right now. I'm still following along, roughly.

I did not like this preemptive self-meta from you, Blake. Why did you feel compelled to bring this up in response to MariaR's post?

I have the feeling that if I don't stop the momentum on that thought immediately, it will result in paranoia scumreads in later days.

[Blake Belladonna]

VOTE: Skitter30

[Blake Belladonna]

Blake I'm finally getting Skitter to make some solid stances just wait a moment.

UNVOTE: Skitter30

Okay.

[Blake Belladonna]

VOTE: Skitter30

I will engage into this more later. I'm currently handling other things.

[Blake Belladonna]

I do strongly believe that Skitter30 and Something_Smart has scum within them.

[Blake Belladonna]

what does this even mean? aren't you townreading gobbles?

It means exactly what it says. I don't really care that gobble's wagon reached L-2 quickly, but I do care that a bunch of people immediately stepped in to defend him. I wasn't suggesting that any particular conclusion should be drawn from it.

I'm townleaning him.

ok, why do you think it's noteworthy that multiple people jumped in to defend him?

ok, why do you think it's noteworthy that multiple people jumped in to defend him?

Because that rarely happens?

ok and the conclusion is ...

like why are you pointing it out if you think he's town anyways? isn't it a good thing that people are defendign him?

This take is a very bizarre one. The fact that this is still the crux of the engagement with Something_Smart is even more bizarre.

This entire engagement from the beginning is unnatural, and this specific point is where I believe it stems from.

As an aside, I don't think Something_Smart's point is bad or incongruent, and I would only call it as such if he specifically pointed it out as alignment indicative in some way. He did not. Because he appears to be approaching this in the way that I would suspect town Something_Smart in this position would, I believe he is the town in this exchange.

Regardless, this engagement makes no sense if both sides are scum, and I strongly doubt this engagement happens the way it does if both are town. And in this particular case, it makes a lot more sense if Skitter30 is the scum within this dichotomy.

[Blake Belladonna]

Menalque is town.
MariaR is town.
Firebringer is town.
Bingle is town.

Something_Smart and Datisi are the slots that I need more time on to be certain I lose all interest in lynching them today.

[Blake Belladonna]

I strongly doubt this engagement happens the way it does if both are town.

What makes you say this?

The beginning of it was unnatural from both sides.

[Blake Belladonna]

The beginning of it was unnatural from both sides.

So you would be scumreading us both but you don't think we make sense as partners?

No.

All it means is that I don't believe that the engagement would happen if you both were town. The engagement extending like this for so long is what makes me think you both are not scumpartners.

[Blake Belladonna]

Interesting.

[Blake Belladonna]

99% of my thoughts are gut feelings, my dear.

[Blake Belladonna]

Fifteen pages.

[Blake Belladonna]

Also.

[Blake Belladonna]

Page top.

[Blake Belladonna]

UNVOTE: skitter30
VOTE: lilith2013

[Blake Belladonna]

Because I know I will be asked, I am voting for lilith2013 because I do not have a townread on her.

[Blake Belladonna]

I'm rapidly running out of slots I am willing to lynch on day one.

[Blake Belladonna]

What were the wagon compositions?

[Blake Belladonna]

They're virtually the same wagon. Shotgun analysis says that there's scum among those who were on both wagons, but I don't have a good enough grasp of the game yet to be sure of it.

[Blake Belladonna]

blake what changed on me ?

Nothing.

I don't believe this dichotomy needs to be resolved right now, especially when I have another lead that I'd like to pursue currently.

[Blake Belladonna]

lol okay, gtfo out of here with your trash votes

blake, how do you have a “current lead” on me you’d like to pursue if your reason for voting me is that i’m not in your townpile, and not anything that i’ve actually done

gobbles, are you literally just joining any wagon that crops up so you don’t die today?

mena, why are you voting me?

The fact that you're not in my townpile is why I think you're scum.

I have the impression that I should have a townread on you by now. I do not.

[Blake Belladonna]

lol okay, gtfo out of here with your trash votes

blake, how do you have a “current lead” on me you’d like to pursue if your reason for voting me is that i’m not in your townpile, and not anything that i’ve actually done

gobbles, are you literally just joining any wagon that crops up so you don’t die today?

mena, why are you voting me?

The fact that you're not in my townpile is why I think you're scum.

I have the impression that I should have a townread on you by now. I do not.

okay but the words “lead that you’re currently pursuing” imply that you have some specific reason to be voting and pushing me..... and btw, where’s the push?

I never said I was pushing you.

[Blake Belladonna]

then why say you’re pursuing a lead?

Because it pushes the game in a direction that is more likely to provide me with readable reactions.

[Blake Belladonna]

Fair. All of my scum prospects are weak reads though. I'm pretty sure I'm mostly right on townreads, but the people who could be scum are all frustratingly nullish.

Maybe I'm just not going to get a read I'm sure enough about to lynch over gobbles.

I do want to hear from Blake about the state of the game and Chemslot about pretty much anything though.

Hello.

[Blake Belladonna]

It's really interesting how people are starting to claim that their reads are solidifying, yet the votes are still this spread out.

Gobbledygook looks like a copout lynch that scum are abusing. Who has been advocating for him to be the day one lynch?

[Blake Belladonna]

Voting for Gobbledygook does not equate to advocating for it.

[Blake Belladonna]

hey that's what i said !

datisi, jingle, and mena a bit come to mind

oh mariar too

Interesting.

Scum are most likely to be in the rest of the votes, especially ones that suddenly appeared after the SK reveal. Bonus points if they have a very low content to noise ratio.

[Blake Belladonna]

Scum are most likely to be in the rest of the votes, especially ones that suddenly appeared after the SK reveal.

Gobbles was L-1 before the SK reveal.

There were unvotes after, but I don't think anyone jumped on.

I'd have to double check to determine who is in the gobbles must die vs gobbles must vig camps.

hey that's what i said !

datisi, jingle, and mena a bit come to mind

oh mariar too

Interesting.

Scum are most likely to be in the rest of the votes, especially ones that suddenly appeared after the SK reveal. Bonus points if they have a very low content to noise ratio.

there isn't really anybody who fits taht description i think? nobody joined the wagon except for fire and he didn't know gobble claimed sk
i think taht there's at least one scum in that least of names

That's where I would look first.

Who in general has a very low content to noise ratio? Scum drowning out the game in nonsense would help explain why people are seemingly coming to conclusions regarding their reads, yet there is low cohesion.

[Blake Belladonna]

Has there been much said about Pink Ball?

His name stands out among those that I'd expect to have more of a presence based around how he's speaking in this game, but I can't actually remember any major events that I can recall actually involving him.

[Blake Belladonna]

I think I might be getting thrown off by the extended Skitter30 vs Something_Smart engagement and the discussion around the SK claim.

[Blake Belladonna]

I'll have to rethink.

There's still a dissonance to the game that I don't think would naturally exist if the scumteam were all among the lower influence players. I don't have enough information to determine where exactly the dissonance is coming from at the current moment.

[Blake Belladonna]

The wagons have been mostly static for quite a few pages now.

That is definitely unnatural.

[Blake Belladonna]

The wagons have been mostly static for quite a few pages now.

That is definitely unnatural.

Yeah a bunch of people were like:
Yeah we should just lynch gobbles and then the game froze

How long ago was this, roughly?

[Blake Belladonna]

How likely is it because of Menalque's absence?

[Blake Belladonna]

I suppose I'm more asking how much influence Menalque has on the game.

[Blake Belladonna]

So your answer is yes, then.

[Blake Belladonna]

I suppose I'm more asking how much influence Menalque has on the game.

I suppose I'm more asking how much influence Menalque has on the game.

Menalque was not really scumhunting after the SK claim, but he did pick it up a little and started pushing Lilith

So your answer is yes, then.

[Blake Belladonna]

Okay. I think I have some grasp of the game now.

Menalque is town.
Bingle is town.
Firebringer is town.

Datisi is likely town.
Chemist1422 is likely town. I suspect he'd have more presence or at least feel more pressure in some way if he was scum. For reference, I recently co-modded a game he was scum in.

I want to say Skitter30 is town, but I don't feel comfortable locking this in yet.
MariaR is a townlean, but this read is fragile.

Something_Smart is a wildcard.

PenguinPower is a slot I am not entirely sure on. My intuition says the way he's approaching the game is scum-motivated based on my view of the game, but it's hard to tell with him.

Pink Ball is likely scum.
Lilith2013 is scum.

Gobbledygook is a claim SK.

[Blake Belladonna]

My vote on Lilith2013 is now a legitimate scumread.

Now that I strongly suspect the current gamestate is a red herring, I think it's much more likely that the more fluffy content posters throughout the earlier stages in the game are the scum slots. Lilith in particular has a lot of fluffy questions early on in the game that aren't meant to achieve anything, and I haven't seen much evidence to show that she's making a serious attempt to solve the game like surface appearances would otherwise show.

There's also the fact that her vote hasn't changed since page 5.

[Blake Belladonna]

I should be more active from this point onwards since now I can actually use my desktop again.

[Blake Belladonna]

I mean I wouldn’t kill you or Bingle. But I don’t even know how to evaluate a potentiality like the latter half of your definition implies, so my answer is maybe?

tbf i was mostly thinking of blake here

The funny thing is, I already have if you know what you're looking for.

[Blake Belladonna]

Have I missed my chance to talk with the lovely Blake

Hello.

I was asleep at this time.

[Blake Belladonna]

@blake would you vote turkey?

@blake, could you give explanations for the 4 reads you have earlier?

The first one is still relevant now I think, but the second is the one I’m more interested in

Currently, I believe gobbledygook is town.

I was on a different wavelength between the initial reads I gave and the more recent one, namely I was getting reads based on eyeballing the thread and getting a rough sense of how people were approaching it, while I specifically looked for certain traits that I believe come from scum in the second one. If there are specific trajectories or updated reads that you find interesting, that would be a much better question at this stage in the game.

[Blake Belladonna]

Also @blake what caused your María read to drop in strength?

This is mostly explained in the above. My read on MariaR was not strong in the first place, and I've learned in the somewhat recent past that she does both put an unnatural focus on my slot as town and mafia, at least some of the time, and that I'm not the strongest at identifying her motivations for it.

I think I'm much more likely to correctly resolve her alignment later on in the game, so I'm not entirely willing to give any strong read of her either way until I have a good reason to believe as such.

[Blake Belladonna]

Did you get to a point previously where you felt more confident in reading me in general, because I remember in our first ever game together you said that my play is something you tend to get false positive results for scumhunting on so I’m curious what made you confident in me being town from early on and then sustained that

I don't remember exactly what I saw initially, but as of now, after playing with you in the neighborhood setup where you were scum, I believe I have enough to have some ability to intuit your approach to the game. I think you're one of those players that if you do end up pocketing me early into the game, my methods of checking my own work will eventually reveal it to me.

[Blake Belladonna]

Firebringer is town.

can you please elaborate on this?

I think that the way he transitioned out of the early game is town indicative.

Namely, his fluffy content overall went towards being less invasive without any proactive factors.

[Blake Belladonna]

I don’t think that’s toxic I think that’s potentially just frustration. Fuck, I think that might mean I TR gobbles too lmao. The inevitable struggle of lynching him to make sure I don’t have egg on my face in endgame or sticking on it and lynching elsewhere. Blake, what’s your read on S_S? Is there a world where that’s SvS with skitter to you?

My read on him has not changed since my latest reads list. Maybe a bit lower.

[Blake Belladonna]

I think Blake could be scum for the record but I think she’s done enough that I don’t wanna lynch her today and I think she’s probably being forced to bus if she is scum?

If I die and Blake survives after catching a couple of scum I don’t think she should be cleared, ftr. I’m not saying it makes her scum either but just that I think she’d bus if needed and that it shouldn’t be clearing. Same thing for skitt if chem!slot does flip scum

Interesting.

[Blake Belladonna]

With the way Blake is playing if she's scum there's no way she makes end game. Pink ball? Don't know.

I'm curious what you believe this means for the game.

[Blake Belladonna]

I mean I already had Chem in my poe list and now since A50 has joined it really is helping turn that poe into a scumread.

To answer previous questions: Blake has promised some kind of content the next day or at least getting into the game. I don't think anyone has any real reason to say 'no' to lynching Blake besides the fact you may have stronger scumreads. So at one point she's gonna need to deliver on some reads, if they're wrong well... you know where that leads.

PB depends on Mena/Gobble.

It appears that the last couple of days haven't happened.

[Blake Belladonna]

I'm fine with Something_Smart being lynched.

[Blake Belladonna]

In fact, here's a request from

EVERYBODY

: Could you please out your read on me.my slot before I start giving reads?

P.S. I am not even guaranteed to give a full readlist on D1. I think it best if I kept the details for myself and only outed what I think is beneficial to town at this point. Like, if I say I SR S_S it's a good thing for town because if he is Scum he gets checked and caught and if he is town scum are less likely to kill him on N1. I don't think S_S could be lynched on D1 as either alignment, so this one works fine and I have no problem stating it out loud now. Also, if I'm the Tracker that's certainly not where I will track, and if I'm the JK I am unlikely to block him (and that's how WIFOM works, because now S_S doesn't know whether to do the kill if he is scum or not, because he knows better than to believe anything I say)

Also outing my strongest TRs is bad in case I am a Doctor, so... no full readlist from me on D1.

I think you're out of your scumrange by now.

[Blake Belladonna]

Okay. I think I have some grasp of the game now.

Menalque is town.
Bingle is town.
Firebringer is town.

Datisi is likely town.
Chemist1422 is likely town. I suspect he'd have more presence or at least feel more pressure in some way if he was scum. For reference, I recently co-modded a game he was scum in.

I want to say Skitter30 is town, but I don't feel comfortable locking this in yet.
MariaR is a townlean, but this read is fragile.

Something_Smart is a wildcard.

PenguinPower is a slot I am not entirely sure on. My intuition says the way he's approaching the game is scum-motivated based on my view of the game, but it's hard to tell with him.

Pink Ball is likely scum.
Lilith2013 is scum.

Gobbledygook is

a claim SK.

likely town.

I think the odds that I'm more correct than not with these is better than random chance.

I will still be looking to refine this over future days.

[Blake Belladonna]

@dats I don’t think Blake has inherently done anything that would make her town, but during my general D1 reconsidering of the game she was one of the people who floated back into my mind as “plausibly scum”. However, if she /is/ scum then I think it’s hard for her to claim high levels of confidence and to then pursue mislynches, hence, I think she’s quite likely forced to bus today if she is scum for the cred needed to try and endgame.

Which is a view supported by her being hard town on me and bingle, (I think also now on A50) and likely town on you and Maria (who I think are town that I could be wrong on it my other scumreads are wrong but who I’m not convinced make scum with Blake, although I suppose I should double check that because writing it down makes me realise I don’t have strong reasons to think that besides instincts).

I'd like more detail on where this view came from. Confidence is mostly based on engagement rather than alignment.

[Blake Belladonna]

Specifically, while I'm commonly more confident on scumreads as town, it still only appears when I'm very engaged most of the time.

Confident townreads are not alignment indicative for me.

[Blake Belladonna]

I don't think like that on day 1s as scum.

[Blake Belladonna]

Hello.

[Blake Belladonna]

Hello.

Hi

Hello.

[Blake Belladonna]

Hello.

Hi

Hello.

Hi

How you feeling about datisi and mariaR?

Datisi is still town.
MariaR is somebody I don't like to have particularly strong reads on day one.

[Blake Belladonna]

blake are you purposefully changing your avatars?

No.

I have specific 'subpersonalities' for each of my Blake avatars, and I'm finding that I feel disquieted posting under any of the other ones I've attempted to use.

The way I attempt to express my thoughts do change based on the avatar I'm using.

[Blake Belladonna]

What about lilith and SS? Do you think this is possible theatre or not?

And if it’s not do you still prefer lilith?

I do still prefer Lilith.

I have not seen anything that indicates to me that Lilith is town as of this point, still. I'd have to think more about Something_Smart, because I would not normally expect the appeal to emotion that he used earlier. My gut reaction is to townread it, but that falls into a known bias of mine and so I'm very wary to follow through with that.

[Blake Belladonna]

My primary fear regarding Something_Smart is that he is the type of player where if you don't go on the initiative towards sorting him while there's room to do so, he has a tendency to fall to the wayside and not be sorted again. This is what I find threatening about his scumgame, but it's also awkward in the sense that he's also not the easiest player to read early on in the game either.

If there was a way to force the game to predicate itself on his alignment being inherently high value to know, this would be solved, but I'm uncertain of how to achieve this at the moment.

[Blake Belladonna]

My primary fear regarding Something_Smart is that he is the type of player where if you don't go on the initiative towards sorting him while there's room to do so, he has a tendency to fall to the wayside and not be sorted again. This is what I find threatening about his scumgame, but it's also awkward in the sense that he's also not the easiest player to read early on in the game either.

If there was a way to force the game to predicate itself on his alignment being inherently high value to know, this would be solved, but I'm uncertain of how to achieve this at the moment.

[Blake Belladonna]

Thanks, Menalque.

[Blake Belladonna]

How come you didn’t TR lilith’s AtE then? She did a big load of AtE when I was pushing her as my top scumread which actually did make me think she wasn’t scum after all, although I’m also fucking awful at reading lilith based on reading through her games since she got back onto site and really don’t trust my read on her

Because I'm more partial to the way Something_Smart appealed. Pushing back and saying that there isn't a case does nothing for me. Making points about why something they're doing doesn't make sense if they have a red PM is much more convincing to me since that's a common way that I handle wagons on myself. I have a tendency to trust points like that even though it's not inherently the case, which is why I'm not entirely taking that in stride.

[Blake Belladonna]

I'd have to think more about Something_Smart, because I would not normally expect the appeal to emotion that he used earlier.

To be clear, I wasn't trying to appeal to anything. I was just expressing my frustration, but you are right that I don't express emotion like that frequently.

Correct.

I was looking to indicate what I was referring to without having to link it, but it was not precise, no.

[Blake Belladonna]

Sidebar: did you make the avatars yourself, Blake?

I do not draw.

I do resize all my avatars and have done some minor edits to some of them. For example, this one did not have a transparent background when I found it.

[Blake Belladonna]

@Blake: My point about Maria staying silent about me announcing I'm targeting her is the strongest point in my view. If I were to say I am targeting Blake tonight, how would you react? Would you say something like "That's fine by me" or "I would rather you didn't announce that in case there's a BD"? Or would you just ignore it and not comment about it? Assuming you're Town in that case, I mean.

I don't know how exactly I would react on my main account since it would vastly depend on my mood, but Blake would very likely ignore this as either alignment.

Maria didn't even try to engage me -as of yet- and didn't actually engage anyone in any AI manner so far. If she was a PT (thus trying to avoid being a loud voice on D1) she knows well that Scum will most likely target her with something or another tonight for that. Like, if I was Scum and Maria wasn't on my team and I saw her doing practically nothing I would most certainly kill or RB her just to be safe. If there's no JOAT in play killing her N1 seems like the only option though.

Maria's no noob as either alignment and she knows exactly what she's doing and what the consequences are. She also knows it's hard to get her lynched without a hard guilty on her.

Keep in mind that this playerlist is pretty stacked. I would be shocked if MariaR was killed for being MariaR in a game with you, me, skitter30, and Bingle all in the game, all of whom I have seen (or in my case, experienced,) being very high priority nightkills depending on the game. MariaR is also one of those players that will inevitably gain traction as a scumread at some point in the game due to her relatively difficulty to read and skill at playing scum, so I don't expect she is a high priority kill for most scumteams in this playerlist unless there's other important reasons to do so or there are no better kills.

The second point is regarding her vote on gobble without saying a thing about S_S (the counterwagon) at all. ISO her. She says she wants gobble or skitter and no mention of S_S (neither positive or negative) at all. That's probably her keeping her options wide open in the future to go back and push S_S (if he is Town) or even bus him (if he is Scum and she needs the towncred to get to endgame).

I mean, I could vote S_S to L-1 and force a claim out of him now if that's what people want me to do, but if S_S is town I think it's best to keep his role for himself.

I'm curious why this is specific to MariaR? I did something similar in that other than me saying that one of him and Skitter30 are scum earlier in the game, I've done little to directly sort him or really anything regarding him for most of the game.

[Blake Belladonna]

you, me, skitter30, and Bingle all in the game, all of whom I have seen (or in my case, experienced,) being very high priority nightkills depending on the game

Oof, that moment when you don’t get lumped in the high priority night kill group

Note my wording.

I specifically only posted people I have had experience playing with for quite a while now, so I've had ample opportunity to note this for those specific players.

[Blake Belladonna]

How confident do you feel about lilith being scum, Blake?

Also, I think the avi you linked is maybe my favourite of them

I'm more confident on her than anybody else currently.

[Blake Belladonna]

*waits for Blake to get to the last post in that series

Of you scumreading me?

That isn't really news.

[Blake Belladonna]

*waits for Blake to get to the last post in that series

Of you scumreading me?

That isn't really news.

Is it not? I feel like me thinking that you’re actually quite likely to be scum is news vs just me not thinking you’ve done anything particularly town indicative

Don’t you want to know why?

I'm not really worried about it, no.

[Blake Belladonna]

*waits for Blake to get to the last post in that series

Of you scumreading me?

That isn't really news.

Is it not? I feel like me thinking that you’re actually quite likely to be scum is news vs just me not thinking you’ve done anything particularly town indicative

Don’t you want to know why?

I'm not really worried about it, no.

Err

Why?

Because I don't get the impression that you're going to deathtunnel over it, and I also believe you're aware that lynching me on day one is not a good idea regardless of my alignment.

There's really no utility in attempting to dissuade you from scumreading me at this time and so I don't feel very compelled to take those steps.

[Blake Belladonna]

*waits for Blake to get to the last post in that series

Of you scumreading me?

That isn't really news.

Is it not? I feel like me thinking that you’re actually quite likely to be scum is news vs just me not thinking you’ve done anything particularly town indicative

Don’t you want to know why?

I'm not really worried about it, no.

Err

Why?

Because I don't get the impression that you're going to deathtunnel over it, and I also believe you're aware that lynching me on day one is not a good idea regardless of my alignment.

There's really no utility in attempting to dissuade you from scumreading me at this time and so I don't feel very compelled to take those steps.

Annoyingly accurate in terms of what I’m not going to do even if not necessarily insightful into what I’m reading as scummy in your play. Although I’ll acknowledge that you didn’t try on the latter point.

My concern is that I feel like you’re managing the game to an outsize extent and that very much fits with what I remember of you saying about how you play as scum from... I wanna say post-apocalypse upick? Idk. But yeah I kinda have an unpleasant feeling that all of (turkey, lilith, S_S) may be town and we’re being setup to be in too awful a position to change up by the time we realise that. But equally yes, lynching you on D1 is very stupid and so I’m kinda conflicted here. I don’t really feel strongly enough about it to want to actually push you especially as I’d then feel doubly stupid if we lost despite following your D1 reads.

There's little I'd be able to do to dissuade you of this regardless. There's no surefire way to show this as true or false without more long term trajectories.

[Blake Belladonna]

How can there be a slip that there's only two scum in an open game where there's a guaranteed three scum?

[Blake Belladonna]

No wait, I misread the setup. Ignore 2270.

[Blake Belladonna]

UNVOTE: lilith2013
VOTE: PenguinPower

[Blake Belladonna]

UNVOTE: lilith2013
VOTE: PenguinPower

Interesting

What did you think of Maria and pure boi hard defending his reaction to my scumread as townie in the much earlier game?

Talking of, what did you think of that?

Also talking of, I thought you were just a minute ago saying that lili was still your top scumread, what changed?

I have no opinion on that, because I don't even remember it happening in the first place.

I think PenguinPower is a better lynch now.

[Blake Belladonna]

I think PenguinPower is a better lynch now.

I feel you’re ignoring the implied <why> here

I realized that PenguinPower isn't town.

[Blake Belladonna]

I'd like to point out that PenguinPower has dropped off the face of the planet after that quoted set of posts.

Quite interesting, isn't it.

[Blake Belladonna]

i feel like penguin's reaction to mena scumreading him was townie, no?

i'd switch back to maria and i am taking a step back from my ss read to reassess a bit

I don't think it's outside of his scumrange to fake.

[Blake Belladonna]

I just read through that exchange again and I'm not seeing what exactly about that response to Menalque's case is so town when you contrast it with the rest of his play.

[Blake Belladonna]

although now that i think about it, i really have no idea what he's thinking about this game
i'm actually not even sure who he's voting

This is precisely why I am scumreading him.

[Blake Belladonna]

Did he have an entrance into the game that he unceremoniously fizzled out of?

[Blake Belladonna]

Who are the potential scum masterminds?

[Blake Belladonna]

I would not need help finding nightkills as scum.

[Blake Belladonna]

I misread, sorry.

I haven't slept well in several days now.

[Blake Belladonna]

Hello.

---

Spoiler: Mod VC

lilith2013 [4]:

Menalque [2433], Datisi [2465], Almost50 [2467], PenguinPower [2470]

-- [L-2]

Something_Smart [2]:

skitter30 [2389], Firebringer [2424]

Not Voting [5]:

Bingle, MariaR, Something_Smart, lilith2013, Blake Belladonna

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to hammer.

[Blake Belladonna]

In your memory does skitt normally play for wifom?

I'm curious why you asked this at this specific point.

[Blake Belladonna]

?
Are you saying those are people he suspected?
You think that scum!me lolkills pb out of everyone on n1 because he was suspecting me at some point in the day but had backed off and wasnt even pushing me by the end?
Because if so you have a very offbase understanding of how i'd make nks as scum

Pedit i would not have killed pb as scum last night

I agree with this.

I strongly doubt that Skitter30 would kill Pink Ball as scum on night one.

[Blake Belladonna]

That's not how scum!me would have approached the nk last night. High-key threats cirst, and that logic would have been more appropriate like n3 or n4 or so.

Yes but highkey threats are exactly the people who you’d be competing with later in the WIFOM olympics of “why is X still alive?”

This doesn't work in this specific instance.

First, this logic also works in reverse and think of what it actually means. If all of Bingle, Almost50, and myself are town and she is scum, then look at what exactly happens if she doesn't start culling our numbers. I specifically hunt for stuff like this very commonly in my games, and if I get the impression that a high-key player is scum, then Skitter30 is going to end up at the top of the list pretty quickly considering I already have pretty strong reasons to believe Bingle and Almost50 are town, to use this specific example I'm providing. Almost50 has to be treated in a specific way to continue to not pressure and look to lynch her, and Bingle, depending on what the setup actually is, can completely bypass this and just set town up to win via mechanics.

You're thinking of this in a very broad sense and not truly seeing that if she does go this route, it would ultimately be a suicidal one. I don't think Skitter30 can afford to make these sort of plays in a game like this, not when there is this big of a chance that it goes wrong for... ultimately a harder game.

[Blake Belladonna]

^started typing that before you posted

I think there’s probably a scum in (bingle, skitt, Blake, PP)

Unless I was protected from a nightkill or I'm scum with him, the odds of him being scum is very very low.

Even with the general suspicion towards my slot, I doubt he lets me live past night one.

[Blake Belladonna]

I think there’s probably a scum in (bingle, skitt, Blake, PP)

how did bingle end up here?

Also the same exact logic that I applied to why skitt might kill pb applies to Blake or bingle (somewhat less for bingle because I think pb was less suspicious of him) but that idea of preserving other players who would be expected to eat a NK in order to create cover for you being scum fits with them (or me from an outside pov) too

It doesn't.

I am more likely to use scumreads as scum rather than nightkill them away. Both of my Blake Belladonna scumgames prove this.

[Blake Belladonna]

^started typing that before you posted

I think there’s probably a scum in (bingle, skitt, Blake, PP)

Unless I was protected from a nightkill or I'm scum with him, the odds of him being scum is very very low.

Even with the general suspicion towards my slot, I doubt he lets me live past night one.

who's the "he" here?

Bingle, sorry.

[Blake Belladonna]

What lilith thing? The 2 vote wagon that was just Blake + Mena?

Strong push on her strongest scum read that led her to vote me right before eod.

First, I had no reason to believe day would end at the time it did. Using the timing of day ending as a reason to scumread me is inherently fallacious.
Second, the lilith2013 wagon went nowhere. Of course I'm going to be looking for new angles to push, because I was townreading gobbledygook.

[Blake Belladonna]

Who do you want to lynch today Blake?

Menalque is town
Skitter30 is town.
Almost50 is town.
Datisi is town.

Bingle is town barring the possibility that I was protected or the scum making the kill was jailed.

PenguinPower is slightly town. I don't think this push on me is very likely to exist if he is scum, but I also don't have a very good baseline to work with on him so I'm still not entirely sure on it.

MariaR is null.
Firebringer is null.
Something_Smart is null.

lilith2013 is scum.

[Blake Belladonna]

I see her point in that if I were scum I’d still probably kill her first

I never said this.

That statement was specifically regarding Bingle. I don't necessarily believe this is the case of anybody else in this playerlist.

[Blake Belladonna]

i would like to demote blake from 'maybe town' to 'idk' tho

Is this because my reads are now virtually the same as yours?

[Blake Belladonna]

yeah as i thought about it i went from 'oh wow my reads are nearly teh same as blake that's encouraging!' to 'oh no she's townreading me now and i feel like she'd be paranoid of me and now all her reads are the same as mine maybe she's trying to pocket me ???'

I don't think you claim vigilante as anything other than a vigilante.

---

Spoiler: Mod VC

lilith2013 [3]:

Menalque [2433], Almost50 [2467], PenguinPower [2470]

Something_Smart [2]:

skitter30 [2389], Firebringer [2424]

Not Voting [6]:

Bingle, MariaR, Something_Smart, lilith2013, Blake Belladonna, Datisi [2585]

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to hammer.

[Blake Belladonna]

@blake you think every scum got onto the gobbles wagon yesterday?

I think it's not impossible. I would expect the Gobbledygook wagon to be scum rich. I was actually a bit surprised that my opinion that he was very likely town for his claims was an unpopular one to that extent.

[Blake Belladonna]

yeah i don't think so either but i'm not sure that town!you fully believes that

Well.

Obviously that's not the entire reason. I think your overall play has shown town over the second half of day one and especially today.

This trajectory has happened before.

[Blake Belladonna]

I doubt that a Serial Killer Skitter30 kills Pink Ball. If a Serial Killer Skitter30 did not kill Pink ball, I strongly doubt she claims the kill.

[Blake Belladonna]

i know, sorry :/
i'm not sure it's rational but i don't feel super solid putting you in my townbin rn

It's okay.

[Blake Belladonna]

blake can you remind me why you think bingle is probably town?

Because I'm still alive.

[Blake Belladonna]

It has nothing to do with the game specifically. He has gone on record multiple times in the past that he is more afraid of me than any other player on the site.

[Blake Belladonna]

Skitter30, you are a Serial Killer.

[Blake Belladonna]

I find it highly amusing how many players are expressing that I'm either a scumread or a PoE read, and yet nobody has tried to wagon me yet.

[Blake Belladonna]

I find it highly amusing how many players are expressing that I'm either a scumread or a PoE read, and yet nobody has tried to wagon me yet.

What's amusing about that? It's not like people can only have one scumread.

Because by now, at least half of the playerlist, if not close to everybody has done so up to this point.

[Blake Belladonna]

Something_Smart is null.

blake why is ss null?
what happened to {me/ss not being svt}?

That's a somewhat outdated sentiment.

I have a better understanding of where the game stands right now than I did when I made that statement, so it's not very high on my priorities to resolve. It also doesn't hold a very strong bearing on my understanding of the game, so it would do relatively little for me to resolve immediately regardless.

[Blake Belladonna]

VOTE: Lilith2013

L-2

[Blake Belladonna]

I'm seeing nothing that I care to respond to over the last few pages.

[Blake Belladonna]

Hello.

[Blake Belladonna]

Blake how much would you say your playstyle on Blake has changed over the last year?

Very much so.

[Blake Belladonna]

It depends. I can see a huge discrepancy between my town games and scum games on this account that I don't believe I can reasonably fix, and theoretically anybody could find that if they looked, but in reality I don't think it's something that will become especially known.

Otherwise, in a vacuum, I believe it would be harder to read Blake now than before.

[Blake Belladonna]

Also, do you approach games from fundamentally the same mindset across your accounts and apply the same methods and just deliver the results differently, or do you actually go about getting your reads differently on different accounts?

My playstyle depends enough on how people interact with me and how I impact the game that it, by definition, gives me different approaches across each account.

[Blake Belladonna]

I don't understand what you mean by that question.

[Blake Belladonna]

I don't understand what you mean by that question.

Would the approach of “simplifying” and avoiding ego be something you try to do on all of your accounts?

I play up confidence on this account, but otherwise yes.

[Blake Belladonna]

Wow. The tension got deleted really quickly.

[Blake Belladonna]

Whatever.

VOTE: Firebringer

[Blake Belladonna]

No one is on my wavelength with maybe besides blake and i think she is kind of floating like me and maybe it makes me a hypocrite but i think that means she is scum.

I just finished with a huge heat wave in my area, and I have no good way to handle that currently.

It completely killed all my momentum in this game.

[Blake Belladonna]

Whatever.

VOTE: Firebringer

What changed?

Nothing. I'm more annoyed at the gamestate than anything else.

[Blake Belladonna]

No. It's a real vote.

[Blake Belladonna]

Feel free to believe what you like. It makes no difference to me.

[Blake Belladonna]

No. It's a real vote.

[Blake Belladonna]

VOTE: Bingle

[Blake Belladonna]

Still similar, but there have been changes.

[Blake Belladonna]

can you summarize the changes?

Bingle is down compared to before, mostly. Firebringer may be slightly up,

[Blake Belladonna]

I don't have a particularly strong read on Something_Smart, no.

[Blake Belladonna]

I've seen Something_Smart have strong scumgames in the past, and the exact wording and topics of discussion in the quoted posts don't give me much confidence that they can't be faked at all.

That's the type of content that I put out when I'm scum in order to look like I have more to say than I actually do.

[Blake Belladonna]

I think this game only looks complicated because people are thinking it would be.

[Blake Belladonna]

It should be pretty obvious that all of Menalque, Skitter30, and Almost50 are town. I'm not as certain on Datisi because it's the type of meta read that I suspect easily works when he is town, but might not necessarily still be the case when he is scum. However, I think his content overall has been fine and I'm not seeing much of a reason to give in to that paranoia without other reasons to suspect him.

I mentioned before that PenguinPower's push on me makes more sense from a town perspective than a scum perspective. This is still the case mainly because I don't suspect he is the type of player that would show teeth like that as scum and have ultimately nothing come of it.

The most obvious town after this would normally be Bingle, but I'm actually a lot less certain about his alignment mainly because of something specific he mentioned a bit earlier. I will dig out quotes sometime later to be sure that I'm remembering correctly.

The rest are all slots I simply am fine just running through. I don't expect there are scum outside this list, and this town is strong enough that I strongly suspect that even if there is, the scumteam would have to do some impressive gymnastics to prevent them from being found out as scum get flipped.

I still think Lilith2013 is the slot that is the most likely to flip scum of the remainder, to be clear.

[Blake Belladonna]

It means I think I can recognize you when you're town pretty easily still (refer to the recent hydra game), but I'm less certain I'll properly scumread you when you're scum.

[Blake Belladonna]

VOTE: Lilith2013

[Blake Belladonna]

MariaR, what are your current thoughts on me?

[Blake Belladonna]

Okay, I'll rephrase then.

What have your thoughts on me been throughout the game?

[Blake Belladonna]

This most recent wave of posting doesn't match any prior knowledge I have of MariaR's scum game, and it does match prior knowledge I have of MariaR's towngame.

I think this is indicative.

[Blake Belladonna]

I'm specifically referring back to Titus vs Alisae, TM2020 Large, and Starry Night primarily.

[Blake Belladonna]

Your personality still does shine through in that game.

[Blake Belladonna]

can u clarify what u mean instead of giving me games. I don't think i played in any of those? (wasn't i in starry night)

The only one you weren't in was Titus V Alisae.

[Blake Belladonna]

I believe I can intuit MariaR's general thought processes as town and scum currently if she is town this game.

[Blake Belladonna]

Enjoy your edit mark.

[Blake Belladonna]

With this much foreplay, it would be very disappointing if I don't get wagoned tomorrow.

[Blake Belladonna]

The most obvious town after this would normally be Bingle, but I'm actually a lot less certain about his alignment mainly because of something specific he mentioned a bit earlier.

I will dig out quotes sometime later to be sure that I'm remembering correctly.

if you haven't done the bolded yet, can you do so ?

biiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnggggggggglllllllllleeeeeee should i be voting you rn? i was kinda hoping for some kind of reaction .

ok can you then review why scum!bingle kills you first here?

She's wrong, btw.

I would probably kill her exactly second for this reason. I'm strong enough as as scum to survive Blake for a couple days, and I'd bet on her knowing I fear her to pocket her.

I can explain why scum me wouldn't kill PB, even if that's a pretty irrelevant point.

I probably would have taken out PP as a tough mislynch (if I liked where my partners were, game state wise) or Mena as a way to shake things up and take control of the thread (if I thought my partners were in danger).

To be clear, I think Blake's assumption is a reasonable one for her to make

and she is correct in that she is the scariest town player to scum Bingle. I just like to play WIFOM games with my scumkills.

Like, for example, Blake's logic about me not killing her is flawed,

but it's flawed logic that townBlake would absolutely follow.

I can understand that she does townread me, but I don't think the townread is something that necessarily would net results.

I don't think I'm a traditionally readable player, in that when I actually become obvtown it's usually based on an outcome of what I've been pushing or not pushing. You can absolutely trust me to be town at the point where I make it impossible for scum me to win the game.

This makes me view the way he has been treating me this game in a different light. This also contrasts from how he has 'defended' me in the past in his town games.

It's something that makes me wonder if he is attempting to play around me this game, which would absolutely make sense with the idea that he wouldn't kill me right away in the case that he's scum.

[Blake Belladonna]

for like half of D1 and most of D2. she feels very passive (both re: her scumread on me and in general), which feels pretty similar to a game that i spectated where she was scum (jigsaw), like kind of an avoidance of direct interactions with players, if that makes sense.

This makes no sense. I was directly looking to interact with people for a lot of that game.

[Blake Belladonna]

And this doesn't happen in my town games?

[Blake Belladonna]

Then how does this indicate that I'm scum in this game?

[Blake Belladonna]

The rest of your case ultimately boils down to I haven't been explaining my thoughts.

[Blake Belladonna]

i think i have more of an issue on how you approach things? like if you’re scumreading me the most, it doesn’t make a lot of sense for you to not be trying to get me lynched? and again, after SS’s wagon disintegrated if you’re still scumreading me (which i think you are), why wouldn’t you try to direct the wagon back to me if you still scumread me the most?

If I had to sum up my thoughts as of right now, I don't believe I am significantly wrong in my reads, still.

Ank why I feel like you're pretending to have reads rather than actually having reads?

I was feeling fuzzy warm feelings about your posting in Yshlota but since you switched to Blake I only feel like you're putting an agenda in the table. Why did you switch from yshlota?

Last time we talked you I remember you saying about liking being support, this is one of the reasons I disliked you since you switched accounts, you had this careless/natural vibe about the game which I feel like it's very characteristic of when you're thinking about things, but after Blake you're only trying to push the game in a certain direction which feels agenda-y to me.

This is how Blake plays as either alignment.

[Blake Belladonna]

is your sole reason for scumreading me still that my posts are fluffy?

No.

I'm scumreading you because the way your posts are fluffy do not indicate a town mindset.

[Blake Belladonna]

pedit: @skitter what makes you say that?

she cares a lot more about appearances as scum, and to like appear invested and townie
whereas if town she doesn't care as much

i'm like 95% certain i've discussed this phenomenon with her too

You have.

It was in the apocalyptic upick dead thread, if I remember correctly.

[Blake Belladonna]

is your sole reason for scumreading me still that my posts are fluffy?

No.

I'm scumreading you because the way your posts are fluffy do not indicate a town mindset.

can you explain what that means?

It means your posting looks engaged and like you're hunting on the surface, but what you're actually saying and asking doesn't further the game in a lot of cases.

I did not feel like your AtE was especially town-indicative either.

[Blake Belladonna]

was in the apocalyptic upick dead thread,

Fear me.

[Blake Belladonna]

I agree with MariaR in that if we were both scum, the game would not look anything like this. I'm more competent at parrying scumreads than I am being given credit for, considering that was one of the biggest points of my strategy in both of my completed Blake scumgames.

And if you consider that I very much need a reason to have to be able to endgame solo in this game, and considering that there are players here that both have a tendency to become paranoid of me and/or have directly caught me as scum for not dying in the past, as well as the idea that I can get townread much more easily as scum, suddenly my gameplay makes very little sense.

It was even MariaR herself that said I wasn't playing to endgame as scum.

[Blake Belladonna]

Thank you.

[Blake Belladonna]

I found a link to this while looking through lilith's ISO to find examples of what I mean. The games are transparently different. Her questioning throughout the game that she linked is far superior to the questioning she has done this game, and it's pretty clear in comparison that she's attempting to solve the game.

Her play this game relative to that one is far more lukewarm and just overly fluffy for content that appears like it should be advancing the game forward.

[Blake Belladonna]

Just as an example:

Spoiler:

Blake Belladonna

What is this for

Penguin is definitely a player in this game.

What does this mean? Are you scumreading him?

i was just scum with her and her entrance feels different than that game
(yes, i'm aware it's one post, but that's why i wrote 'maybe' and i figure sharing these pings at least generates discussion)

what feels different about it?

can we get more votes on penguin please

Looks like datisi is beetlejuicing so i might actually agree with maybescum!datisi

FB is neither serious nor town, PP. Keep up.

Oh? why are you scumreading fb?

This is lilith2013's first catch up set of posts. Note that they are very disjointed from each other and there's no questions here that come from an inner thought process.

A lot of her following posts throughout the next several dozen pages are more commentary on the game and answering questions that are mostly just there. Her catch ups are disjointed and don't go anywhere. Later in the game, she mostly focuses on the pressure placed onto her and does little outside solving, which I would have expected more of considering how much information gathering she made the attempt to do early on in the game.

Her entire mindset doesn't make sense and is not genuine.

[Blake Belladonna]

I think this game is pretty simple at this point, honestly.

I strongly doubt I will ever budge on Almost50 being town.
Menalque is playing outside of his scumrange, if I had to guess.
skitter30 is town via claim.
Datisi is somebody I suspect is just town, but I'd like to reassess this later on to make sure it still makes sense since I suspect he won't be a high priority kill target for a while yet.

I'm warming up to PenguinPower just being town.
I'm warming up to MariaR just being town.
I'm warming up to Something_Smart being more likely town than not.

Firebringer and Bingle can go either way, but I would initially suspect these slots as being the highest likelihood scum slots

[Blake Belladonna]

Interesting place for the rules to be placed.

[Blake Belladonna]

UNVOTE: lilith2013
VOTE: Firebringer

[Blake Belladonna]

Let skitter30 vig her.

[Blake Belladonna]

I'm not interested in being vengekilled just for suspecting her.

[Blake Belladonna]

blake you still think lilith is scum?

Yes.

I do not want to be vengekilled if I am wrong.

[Blake Belladonna]

Wonderful.

[Blake Belladonna]

Thank you for forcing my hand.

I am also a power role. This is why I do not want to be vengekilled.

[Blake Belladonna]

I have to assume that I am dead if lilith2013 is lynched, and that is looking almost certain by this point.

[Blake Belladonna]

I still don't think MariaR is scum.

[Blake Belladonna]

This most recent wave of posting doesn't match any prior knowledge I have of MariaR's scum game, and it does match prior knowledge I have of MariaR's towngame.

I think this is indicative.

I believe I can intuit MariaR's general thought processes as town and scum currently if she is town this game.

[Blake Belladonna]

Interesting.

[Blake Belladonna]

VOTE: Bingle

[Blake Belladonna]

It's entirely possible that the scumteam suspect that I was the one who blocked their kill on night one, so they roleblocked me instead night two.

[Blake Belladonna]

It's entirely possible that the scumteam suspect that I was the one who blocked their kill on night one, so they roleblocked me instead night two.

Say no more. We do NOT want the remaining Scum to be able to figure what you are/aren't. Please go silent on this.

I am speculating on a potential thought process of the scumteam. This doesn't indicate anything about my power role.

[Blake Belladonna]

I think that the final remaining scum is within Bingle and Something_Smart in almost all scenarios.

[Blake Belladonna]

BB makes the most sense as scum, I think

What?

[Blake Belladonna]

V/LA until further notice. The next heat wave is here and it doesn't look like it's going away anytime soon.

[Blake Belladonna]

Oh, one of my coworkers also got fired today, so unless something changes, I'm working >60 hours this week.

If I basically stop playing, this is why.

[Blake Belladonna]

V/LA until further notice. The next heat wave is here and it doesn't look like it's going away anytime soon.

Does this mean you're wearing less clothes? Asking for a friend.

What.