Open 781: JK9++ Game Over!

[Bingle]

That feel when you’re in a PL like this and you haven’t rolled scum for once

Infinite sadness?

[Bingle]

I didn't roll sk and now my entertainment value has gone down.
Also the setup page looked complicated can someone explain how it works thx

Exactly one of the potential three commuters should claim and then never mention what night they’re commuting. No one else should claim outside of L-1. There’s a very optimal order for fakeclaims, but doing so without knowing what exists is dangerous in the extreme for scum. There are several roles that imply or guarantee the existence of a different role which is potentially very useful in the endgame. Most of the roles are actually variant versions, so be careful to check that the role in question works the way you think it does.

Otherwise, it’s a badass player list and we’re going to mislynch PB at some point to guarantee the town win

[Bingle]

Did you really believe that was a response to Maria instead of an excuse to tell people the important knowledge to have about the setup?

[Bingle]

You get those anyway

VOTE: bingle

Oh snap. Scumgle is in this game.

VOTE: Scumgle

I think the turkey might be scum, datisi might be scum, Lilith might be scum, and bingle might be scum

Choose in those 4 names

This game is like gonna be repeat of Furret adventure day 1 (Rip MariaR)

VOTE: Bingle

[Bingle]

Exactly one of the potential three commuters should claim and then never mention what night they’re commuting.

why this?

They can't be killed reliably and if we have one it guarantees the presence of the hider which is the most powerful role we as a town can have without the hider having to do or say anything that may out themselves. Additionally, commuter is a very safe fakeclaim for scum in the late game if there IS a hider, and forcing them to commit to using/not using it early is potentially a massive boost to town for reasons I'm more interested in talking about should that actually matter.

Oh, and also I am explicitly claiming not to be a commuter.

[Bingle]

Oh, I forgot that I’m also townreading PB

I may be drinking a lil bit

Well, yeah. He has to be town in order for us to mislynch him. Duh.

[Bingle]

I'm kinda hard townreading datisi now and I'm not sure how I feel about it.

[Bingle]

Oh, and also I am explicitly claiming not to be a commuter.

is this something that you think that everyone ought to claim?

God no. There are multiple people in this game that having an extra shroud of WIFOM about whether they're actually a commuter would be super helpful for as town. I'm just not one of those people.

[Bingle]

pls elaborate

You're either a super cheeky scumfuck or town at the moment and I don't remember you being crazy cheeky.

[Bingle]

Also, if we get unanimous agreement could we theoretically maybe lower the deadline to 10 days?

Eh. I'm against it.

I don't think we should need 14 days, but I also prefer to lynch with more than 4 days left on the clock. If everyone else wanted a shorter deadline for some reason I wouldn't oppose it though.

[Bingle]

I understand what you're getting at, skitter, and it was a valid question. But no, there are definitely people in this list that I would prefer not be outed as commuter if there was another commuter to take that place.


And gobbles, I'm assuming you're referencing the idea that scum knowing whether hider/not hider is the case is useful for them in the case that we have a busdriver, but in actuality, a busdriver plays around all of the best town power roles the same way in this setup (Rolecop/GSmith/JK/Hider/Vig), so the additional scum knowledge of whether there is a hider or not is largely inconsequential in that case.

[Bingle]

I mean - if we all vote Scumgle then it won’t be 14 days.

Yeah it will. There's no Scumgle in this game, birdboy.

[Bingle]

Theoretically we should actually all crumb a person we are hiding behind at the end of the day to obscure any real hiders in plain sight.

High risk, low reward.

Scum immediately knows any player who 'hid behind scum' is not the hider and hider results aren't 100% with JK/busdriver in the potential mix. That also provides a pretty decent road map to choose optimal nightkills.

[Bingle]

I mean - if we all vote Scumgle then it won’t be 14 days.

Yeah it will. There's no Scumgle in this game, birdboy.

Lynch Almost50 and together we can rule Antarctica as Penguin and some kind of weird bear thingy.

[Bingle]

Theoretically we should actually all crumb a person we are hiding behind at the end of the day to obscure any real hiders in plain sight.

High risk, low reward.

Scum immediately knows any player who 'hid behind scum' is not the hider and hider results aren't 100% with JK/busdriver in the potential mix. That also provides a pretty decent road map to choose optimal nightkills.

Would the results be 100% anyway even without this strategy?
Hides behind non scum still obfuscate the real hider and I fail to see how confirming the existence of a hider is any better than this?

Pseudoclaiming hider narrows down the hider pool drastically, and lets scum shoot someone who is more likely to be hidden behind.

Outing that there is/is not a hider in play lets us have early access to setup knowledge and means the hider doesn't have to worry about being lynched if they're forced to claim early, nor can scum easily fakeclaim hider should they need to.

Hider is one of the safest fakeclaims in the setup, in that it has a built in reason for not dying and a massive benefit for town. Commuter, similarly, is a fairly safe claim.

My strategy doesn't make the hider results any more trustworthy, but it does help with the potential for scum to abuse the absence of a hider, which is fairly likely.

[Bingle]

For a thought experiment, let's look at a scenario:

All of the pseudoclaims fall into 6 people.

~3 of the pseudoclaims come from scum, meaning that scum has no added incentive to kill that person. 3 town players all say that they're going to hide behind Y, because Y is moderately townread but not outside of their scumrange entirely. 2 more town players say they're going to hide behind X because same reasons. Scum now has the ability to bus drive Y and scum, and kill X. If no hider flips, none of X and the 5 players can be the hider. That's 10 players who can't be the hider at day start of D2. During N2, killing the hider becomes trivial.

Further, the guilty/non guilty status of the person crumbed by the hider on D1 cannot be determined because of the busdriver, who is likely going to drive one of the scum with someone seen as obvtown in the hopes of redirecting a vig, turning a JK into a scum JK, netting a fake guilty/inno, etc.

[Bingle]

VOTE: Mena

Townreads on gobble, datisi, Maria.

Penguin is definitely a player in this game.

[Bingle]

Btw none of the past six pages have anything strongly alignment worthy. Take that as you will.

I have this same impression. I've gotten some pings so far, but in context of what I would expect from each player on an individual level regarding the potential accuracy of such pings, they amount to very little.

This looks like a game where lurking might end up being the best strategy for me, so don't expect me to come out swinging for at least the beginning of the game.

[Bingle]

ur reads are bad and u should feel bad.

[Bingle]

warmpuppy ignoring my witty responses because Blake won't flirt with him hurts my feelings.

[Bingle]

Pure boi are you really scumreading fb and if so why?

Are you not?

[Bingle]

This game feels weirdly similar to https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=81049 in a lot of ways.

[Bingle]

FB is neither serious nor town, PP. Keep up.

[Bingle]

Penguin is definitely a player in this game.

What does this mean? Are you scumreading him?

Nah.

Penguin is terrified of scum me as a meme, so the things he's been doing are all NAI. Worse, anything I do wrt that slot won't really change how he acts, so it's not even worth me trying to push him.

You're welcome to, though.

[Bingle]

FB is neither serious nor town, PP. Keep up.

Oh? why are you scumreading fb?

Cause this is exactly the type of posting that cheeky scumfuck fire does. Contrast to Dats where I don't think blatant self meta and wifom is a strat she'd default to as scum in 90% of situations (particularly if she's nervous about playing in a stacked lobby, which rings true to me), being blatantly useless IS something fire does as scum to blend in and get ignored.

[Bingle]

Cause this is exactly the type of posting that cheeky scumfuck fire does. Contrast to Dats where I don't think blatant self meta and wifom is a strat she'd default to as scum in 90% of situations (particularly if she's nervous about playing in a stacked lobby, which rings true to me), being blatantly useless IS something fire does as scum to blend in and get ignored.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Proof.

[Bingle]

Interesting take. What do you make of the repeated stance that he won’t engage until he’s scumread?

[Bingle]

I don’t like the idea of commuters claiming to confirm the hider exists.
I also think that Bingle scumreading FB but not voting FB is suss. Especially when he’s voting your lolwagon.

:eyebrow:

I'd expect you of all people to remember that I never argue theory I don't think is protown, regardless of my alignment. It's kind of my whole gimmick.

I also hard disagree with characterizing Mena's wagon as a lolwagon, and am in fact scumreading Mena. I assumed that was obvious when I voted him in a reads post.

[Bingle]

Okay everyone, here are my reads so far:

Locktown
Turkey — idk, I just think this is consistent with his standard level of effort at this point of the game and it’s a big meta towntell
skitter30 — town until proven otherwise is the standard approach, and it’s a good one

Prob town
Bingleboi — i think scum!bingle would be more excited and have already posted by now
MariaR — i always seem to townread Maria when she’s scum and scumread her when she’s town. This game I don’t have strong vibes from her yet, which is making me think she’s more likely town. Plus she has to eventually be town again in a game I’m in
Something_Smart — a tricksy one, kind of similar to Maria. Him being reasonable doesn’t indicate anything that strongly yet, but I’d say this okay is more in line with his town meta. Plus I doubt I catch scum him on D1, so he gets a pass

Null
lilith2013 — no experience with her, she stays here
Pure Boi — someone i always struggle to read because our never ending story tends to prevent me from ever thinking he’s scum. Trying to be objective about him this game because if I lockscum him from the start I’ll feel guilty and move him to town within 24 hrs even if he’s really scum
PP — king of GIFs and pagetops, but otherwise an unknown quantity. Nothing AI from him at this point

Scumlean
Chemist1422 — idk, I don’t think chem is tryharding yet and that’s a strong towntell for him. Should maybe be in null but I feel better about the other people there and he’s in the region
Firebringer — I think starting off scumreading him is the best approach. He has a towntell he hasn’t done yet

Scum
Blake Belladonna — playing it smart so far, doesn’t feel natural to me. She’s hard to catch but if I’m right she might be a good lynch today before she gets more dangerous later on
Datisi — lockscum, nothing in her posting says town!dats so far and I have 100% accurate history of reading her if we exempt the games where I was wrong

I don’t see any benefit to scumreading skitter before she gives you good reasons to think she’s scum

You’re just making her less effective as town and you’re not likely to catch her anyway if she is scum (on D1 at least)

I need to check something but I’m not sure town!bingle enters with a joke but then immediately diverted into mech talk

Just doesn’t seem to jam for me:

Either (1) we have chill bingle who wants to hang out and shitpost and joke or

(2) we have serious bingle who wants to mechtalk and optimise for a win

I do wanna check something though

Those three posts pinged, your fluff to content ratio seems abnormally high, and your 'attempt to read' datisi feels more like an attempt to justify a scumread than a legitimate attempt to read datisi. If, as you argue, you have a good history of accurately locktowning datisi when/if she starts engaging thoroughly with the thread I would expect town you to try to get datisi to engage over other players, not dismiss her and call her scum while she's posting in a manner that you have not argued you can read well.

[Bingle]

This game feels weirdly similar to https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=81049 in a lot of ways.

How? I don’t feel it but maybe that’s because I’m not scum this time

I don't mean that the play of individuals seems the same but rather that the progression D1 has taken feels a lot like that game. I think it's likely that scum is in the more active side of the playerlist and tacitly supporting one another.

In this case, if my theory is right, you'd be the skitter of that game and gobbles would be the you of that game.

It's pretty tinfoil-y, but that is my impression atm.



Also, I wanted to link the game to see who would actually take the time to look at it and what their responses would be.

[Bingle]

also unrelated to the above have you played with scum!bingle before?

I don't think so.

The only 4 scum games I can remember from recent history that weren't mod abandoned are

Detective Penguin & City of Fogport
Role Call I
Death Note
Masquerade Ball

In Detective Penguin I played a VERY strong scumgame.
In Role Call I replaced into an obvtown slot and managed to leverage that and the general obvtown-ness of my partners into a landslide victory because town gave us all of the best powers.
In Death Note I was yolodayvigged by the only person with any real suspicion of my slot on D1 as a semi-secret hydra.
In Masquerade Ball I replaced into a PoE scum slot late game with a stacked playerlist, realized Ank was my dance partner and promptly shut the fuck up before she could realize I was scum. We lost anyway.

I don't think Mena was in any of them, and iirc I haven't had a scum PM other than those since Mena joined the site. Well, I got a cult PM in EISAL2, but that was mod abandoned before I could post in the main thread, so I don't think it counts.

[Bingle]

Spoiler: Dismissive and not engage-y

I think the turkey might be scum, datisi might be scum, Lilith might be scum, and bingle might be scum

Choose in those 4 names

Have a good weekend skitt

@bingle if datisi is ever liable to be a cheeky scumfuck it’s probably this game

She’s also conspicuously absent rn

She’s also conspicuously absent rn

yes? and that tells you what?

Well you’re apparently not super hyped which is kinda what I’d expect given the PL, but also I know that being conspicuously ~*breezy*~ can be hard for you as scum and not posting means you don’t have to try to replicate that

Plus I didn’t say you were scum I said you could be scum, there’s an important difference. You’re kinda too early to call yet

Post 87 was very political, not in the order of people addressed but in what you said about them. Particularly Skitts/Dats/Turkey feels like there's an agenda to what was said.

98 continues said agenda on skitts.

140 feels like a completely made up reason to suspect me, and not one I'd expect to come from town you.

And voting the person I legitimately scumread over the person that could maybe be scum based on a tinfoil feeling about the similarity of this game and another, particularly when said scumread already has a wagon should be fairly self explanatory.

[Bingle]

If it helps, Dats, in this playerlist I think Maria, Gobbles and BB are the only people who I know have played with scum me and BB is the only person who I expect to have any real reads accuracy wrt my slot.

[Bingle]

isn't it a lolwagon though...? who else on mena is/was a non-rvs vote?

Are you saying Dats' vote on Mena is still RVS?
Skitts' probably is, tbf, but the presence or absence of one RVS vote does not a lolwagon make.

Compared to my wagon, where PP would be voting me if the mod had outed me as town in the OP and the rest of the players are at least partially voting me for the thing I am literally known for doing in all of my games regardless of alignment...

Yeah, the Mena wagon is in no way a lolwagon.

[Bingle]

What agenda are you talking about lmao, you mean the same approach I’ve taken with skitter in literally every game since our first!?

The skit interactions feel like buddying, and frankly your opinion on that means very little. I'm far more interested in skitt's take.

I find it interesting you're this concerned about my scumread on you, though. Is there a particular reason you seem so rattled by it?

[Bingle]

Anyone who knows skitt knows that hard townreading her for no good reason is not how you buddy her

But that's not what you're doing. You're saying you're going to ignore her alignment and treat her as town which will therefore let her do her thing.

We've already collectively addressed that the order of your readslist is meaningless.

[Bingle]

Re: 341 okay, what pinged about those 3 posts?

Where did I dismiss dats and call her scum, bingle? The closest thing I can think of was me saying that I didn’t want to fight and then her saying she also didn’t want to do that but other than that I can’t see how I was dismissing her. And she’s not in a clear read point for me atm, but I also didn’t call her scum beyond saying she was very mild scum much earlier

I take it 347 was responding to the first bit of this, but what about the second part re: datisi?

Those posts in the helpfully labeled spoiler are the ones that struck me as calling datisi scum and not trying to engage with her to determine her alignment followed by a walkback of the read when she pushed back.

Anyone who knows skitt knows that hard townreading her for no good reason is not how you buddy her

But that's not what you're doing. You're saying you're going to ignore her alignment and treat her as town which will therefore let her do her thing.

We've already collectively addressed that the order of your readslist is meaningless.

(2) I don’t... see how this is relevant to what I asked?

I said you sounded like you were buddying skitter, you said hard townreading skitter is not the way to buddy skitter. I pointed out that that is not what you're doing, because the only point where you 'hard townread' skitter is by putting her at the top of that list. I'm not sure where the confusion about why I would point that out comes from.

[Bingle]

i am like 99% sure ive played against scum u bingle even tho i can't remember a game.

I know you have, but I think it was years ago.

[Bingle]

If it helps, Dats, in this playerlist I think Maria, Gobbles and BB are the only people who I know have played with scum me and BB is the only person who I expect to have any real reads accuracy wrt my slot.

this is the first time ive think u do this "X is only person who i expect to have any accuracy reading my slot".

R u doing a MariaR or Blake impression now?

I don't, usually. I brought it up in TM, briefly, when I talked about RC/NSG scumreading me through Bmap, but I can't remember another recent occasion when I did so.

[Bingle]

(1) but like... that was all from before dats elaborated on her process for getting engaged?

Exactly my point. Correct me if I'm wrong, but your assertion is that when dats is engaged and active you can read her. My issue is that when she was not engaged, instead of attempting to get her engaged you defaulted to scumreading her. If I knew I could lategame read a player as long as they got engaged at some point, my first desire is to get them engaged and ask them about other players, not call them a weak scumread.

If, as you argue, you have a good history of accurately locktowning datisi when/if she starts engaging thoroughly with the thread I would expect town you to try to get datisi to engage over other players, not dismiss her and call her scum while she's posting in a manner that you have not argued you can read well.

I'm not sure why you think I should townread you for backing down when there's pushback either.

[Bingle]

We could kill MariaR. I’m pretty sure she’s scum

I'd hear it out. I didn't like the post where she calls me scum for mechposting while demonstrating knowledge that I'm a mechposty player. Particularly in light of the fact that I've made 1 noninstigated mechpost.

[Bingle]

bingle do u think mena backed down because he thought if he kept pushing it would look bad or u thinking he backed down because he couldn't find something to push or what exactly

I think he backed down because he thought that Dats was about to be townread. Whether that's because he as scum realized dats was townposting or because he as town realized dats was townposting is less clear, but I don't think he would have kept pushing there when Dats started looking stronger.

[Bingle]

datisi’s iso indicating he’s scumreading mena

Contextually I think the continued vote after their interactions implies a scumread, but Dats can clear that up when she gets back.

[Bingle]

There was an RVS wagon on mena which is mainly what i’m referring to, which consisted of gobbles, skitter, datisi, penguin, and mena. As far as i can tell none of those were serious votes at the time of the wagon - so this definitely was a lolwagon

All of mena/gobbles/PP had already voted me by the time I voted mena. The time when gobbles said the Mena wagon was a lolwagon was here: 216. At that point there was an absentee vote from V/LA skitter, a serious vote from me, and an ambiguous vote from Datisi. Hence, my objection to dismissing it as a lolwagon.

[Bingle]

FB, what do you make of gobbles/blake defending you when I pointed out the similarity of your posting between here and Saw?

[Bingle]

@Fire

Cause this is exactly the type of posting that cheeky scumfuck fire does. Contrast to Dats where I don't think blatant self meta and wifom is a strat she'd default to as scum in 90% of situations (particularly if she's nervous about playing in a stacked lobby, which rings true to me), being blatantly useless IS something fire does as scum to blend in and get ignored.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Proof.

That iso has a different tone than this game I think. Fire hasn’t fakeclaimed a scum role so he’s probably town

Interesting take. What do you make of the repeated stance that he won’t engage until he’s scumread?

He does this pretty consistently in the majority of his games. I've seen him do it within the past couple of months.

[Bingle]

I feel like I should mouth noises, but also it's 5:30 in the morning.

I'm going to bed.

[Bingle]

Pseudoclaiming hider narrows down the hider pool drastically, and lets scum shoot someone who is more likely to be hidden behind.

Which is good, because people aren't going to hide behind PR's or obvtown.

People aren’t going to hide behind outed prs. They are likely to hide behind pro town that could be deepwolfing (good players) who are also high priority nightkills.

Hider results aren’t trustworthy in this setup.

Leashing hider is a terrible option with this little information, especially given that this hider is the variant that can stop itself from dying.

[Bingle]

not dismiss her and call her scum

Did you think this was a fair/good faith portrayal of my interaction with datisi?

Were you trying to engage with datisi? If so, where?

[Bingle]

Lilith gets it. I don’t think town!Bingle scumreads Menalque for what Bingle is scumreading Menalque for right now.

@gobbles then what does this post mean?

I interpreted your post as scumreading Bingle for including Menalque’s Joke posts in a Real scum case against Menalque. I was agreeing with you by saying I don’t think town!Bingle makes a case like that.

Why would I not pressure someone who made a “joke” post that I thought had an agenda?

[Bingle]

My Bingle scumread is very real. I don’t remember him being this clued in on day 1 in a game in forever and I think that’s be ca use he feels the need to be clued in so that he can guide the game the way he wants.

Supporting evidence?

[Bingle]

Yeah, okay.

VOTE: Gobbles

[Bingle]

Recent Bingle games:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=82907

Gobbles alignment: Town

Bingles D1 reads: mastina scum, many townreads, very proactive, shot N1.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=82724

Gobbles alignment: Town

Bingles D1 reads: literal full reads list with several confident scumreads AND townreads within a couple of days.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Gobbles alignment: Town

Bingles D1 reads: I had a 5 person PoE pool within 24 hours of posting.

tl;dr:

Not only do I not believe that Gobbles thinks effort is scum indicative from me (I'm pretty sure he's been present for multiple walls about why it's not with exhaustive meta analysis) he has recently seen exclusively the he's scumreading me for as town. Not in one game. In EVERY game we've played together over the past few months. He routinely gives me shit for hard defending scum slots as town in the dead thread, something that most of this game can attest to first hand.

My reads accuracy is a crapshoot. My having reads and pushing them? Not so much. And I don't think gobbles genuinely believes that it is, because town him has never pushed this angle. He's pushed 'Bingles reads are crap so he must be scum', but never 'Bingle having hard reads is scummy' despite all of the games in which I had those hard reads early.

That's 3 of my last 6 completed games. The others: Jigsaw, where I replaced in and immediately had a bunch of hard reads. Fairly Special, where I replaced in and was nightkilled for tunneling scum

before I had caught up on the thread

, and Donnie Brasco where my entire play was catching onto a Maria/Ali interaction and then immediately shouting for everyone to shut up and lynch until we won to prevent Maria from being outed.

[Bingle]

SS u feel more distant to this game than usual.

I think that's probably because I'm more distant to this game than usual.

Okay well I wanted 3 people for u to pick for me to ISO. Then I wanted u to figure out which one i was lying about my opinion on.

Spoiler: He thinks I'm the second hottest player ITT.

[Bingle]

Spoiler:

She’s also conspicuously absent rn

yes? and that tells you what?

Well you’re apparently not super hyped which is kinda what I’d expect given the PL, but also I know that being conspicuously ~*breezy*~ can be hard for you as scum and not posting means you don’t have to try to replicate that

Plus I didn’t say you were scum I said you could be scum, there’s an important difference. You’re kinda too early to call yet

@dats I did but I wanna do more and let it settle

And idk if I totally believe that on this occasion because while the PL is stacked there’s also a bunch of people here who you know and who I’d expect you to be fine being shitposty with. Plus idk why town you would be worried when you know that I’d end up hard townreading you if you started posting a lot and then I’d be able to hard defend you as town

I thought you were also friendly with skitter/alyssa/turkey? But okay yeah point taken I don’t know how friendly you are with everyone else, but I guess I thought it was a fairly high level due to your site presence.

I don’t know what’s you’re saying about my read rate on you tbh, I think my readrate on your

when you obvtown

is very good. My only problems with reading you have been times when you haven’t done that. Would you say that you’ve been towny this game to a point where I should be reading you with confidence?

Yeah, fair point that it might have been a little rude, sorry. I didn’t mean it as a specific me-defending-you thing so much as that you wouldn’t need to worry so much about people misreading you because at least if you were being v towny there would be SOMEONE who was on your side.

Whereas one of my concerns is that you /not/ being obvtowny or hyperposty is that you know I can read that well (I don’t think you’d disagree with that?) and so you not doing that is weird to me because why wouldn’t you make it obvious you’re town when you can do so? Whereas I basically can’t make people think I’m obvtown anymore and I miss that

Yeah, I don’t think there’s any reason to townread me yet beyond pure mathematical chance. Although I’m not sure if scum!me would have bothered to give you an answer this thought out so *shrug*

Only I don’t think that’s totally true because I think we can all think back to games like autumnal where in lylo there was a fair amount of doubt on everyone while I was calling you town from the dead PT and saying that I was being modtrolled rather than accept scum!you. When you’re hyperposting I don’t think I’ve ever been wrong on you, but if I have then you can point me to the game because I might have forgotten. I think the problem is I have caught you as scum but I’ve also had false positives on catching you as scum (also yes obviously when I’m scum I act like I’m not sure you’re town or you’re not being townie even when you are) but I just want you to be obvtown (even if it’s just to me) so that I can not have to think about your slot more + not be paranoid about you

Okay but by your own admission you weren’t roosting in a towny way in 1992 so that’s not really a fair benchmark for comparison. I feel like your hyperposting is a mix honestly, I know a lot is interacting with stuff but some of it is also shitposting

Err probably because I sometimes ignore shit as scum to avoid having to make up bullshit answers. And here I’d probably just be avoiding stuff that was hard to do in favour of posting a lot and just having presence

@bingle I don’t remember if I’d made the final 2 posts by the time you called me dismissive of datisi but even with only the first two in this spoiler I’m struggling to see how you see this pretty straight up engagement with her as “dismissive”

That isn't the part where you were dismissive. I was saying you were dismissive in specifically the posts I called out as you being dismissive.

That is the part after

Datisi engaged you

. Literally the whole point of my scumread on you is that I expect town you with the opinions and beliefs you say you have to be the one to seek engagement with Datisi.

I don't particularly like those posts, but I already addressed why I don't think you switching tactics when Datisi started being more active is very town indicative.

[Bingle]

guys i'm not vibing this wagon and i don't get it

ngl, the speed is very unnerving. I'm not sure who would be scum hopping on though, and I definitely still want to hear gobbles talk about why me doing literally the only thing he's seen town me do consistently for months is somehow scum indicative.

[Bingle]

There's a difference between good case and 0 votes to L-1 in an hour.

With that said, none of the votes really strike me as opportunistic.

Maria's would be the worst, but she's been clearly telegraphing a gobbles scumread independently of my own since before mine existed.

[Bingle]

@skitter

my case:

Recent Bingle games:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=82907

Gobbles alignment: Town

Bingles D1 reads: mastina scum, many townreads, very proactive, shot N1.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=82724

Gobbles alignment: Town

Bingles D1 reads: literal full reads list with several confident scumreads AND townreads within a couple of days.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Gobbles alignment: Town

Bingles D1 reads: I had a 5 person PoE pool within 24 hours of posting.

tl;dr:

Not only do I not believe that Gobbles thinks effort is scum indicative from me (I'm pretty sure he's been present for multiple walls about why it's not with exhaustive meta analysis) he has recently seen exclusively the he's scumreading me for as town. Not in one game. In EVERY game we've played together over the past few months. He routinely gives me shit for hard defending scum slots as town in the dead thread, something that most of this game can attest to first hand.

My reads accuracy is a crapshoot. My having reads and pushing them? Not so much. And I don't think gobbles genuinely believes that it is, because town him has never pushed this angle. He's pushed 'Bingles reads are crap so he must be scum', but never 'Bingle having hard reads is scummy' despite all of the games in which I had those hard reads early.

That's 3 of my last 6 completed games. The others: Jigsaw, where I replaced in and immediately had a bunch of hard reads. Fairly Special, where I replaced in and was nightkilled for tunneling scum

before I had caught up on the thread

, and Donnie Brasco where my entire play was catching onto a Maria/Ali interaction and then immediately shouting for everyone to shut up and lynch until we won to prevent Maria from being outed.

Maria's case:

I want gobble to explain like, anything. His reads feel entirely made up on the spot/meaning to take advantage of the game state. It's a light read that will probably change when he gives me the sit down, but until then I will call him scum. This game had a lot more filler than I was expecting, making it a bit harder to get into it.

[Bingle]

warmpuppy has my posts hidden.

[Bingle]

I think Bingle is scumreading me because he has never seen scum!Turkey.

I feel like I've modded or backup modded scum you before, but I can't remember individual games. I also need to go back through and fact check whether you've seen me gun hard for someone early, although I think the answer is yes.

I feel like the last few pages should be extremely telling of something, but for the life of me I can't actually say what that evidence points to, so I'm gonna nope out of the thread for a while to try and figure that out.

Please don't lynch anyone in the next 48 hours.

[Bingle]

Pseudoclaiming hider narrows down the hider pool drastically, and lets scum shoot someone who is more likely to be hidden behind.

Which is good, because people aren't going to hide behind PR's or obvtown.

People aren’t going to hide behind outed prs. They are likely to hide behind pro town that could be deepwolfing (good players) who are also high priority nightkills.

Hider results aren’t trustworthy in this setup.

Leashing hider is a terrible option with this little information, especially given that this hider is the variant that can stop itself from dying.

Yup.

[Bingle]

@Mena monster post is preferable as it’s easier to find when I go back over the thread imo.

[Bingle]

I am the serial killer.

Oh, cool. I was about to say that dismissing my case on you as bullshit meta when my case on you was actually THAT you were using bullshit meta was pretty gross. I guess I don't have to go reread those games to decide if your argument that you didn't think town me would case Mena was a salient one now.

[Bingle]

What is the case on skitter?

I'm actually pretty disengaged since I realized I needed to do a bunch of reading to figure out if gobbles was making shit up regarding my Mena push.

[Bingle]

I am the serial killer.

Oh, cool. I was about to say that dismissing my case on you as bullshit meta when my case on you was actually THAT you were using bullshit meta was pretty gross. I guess I don't have to go reread those games to decide if your argument that you didn't think town me would case Mena was a salient one now.

Uhh
No you still have to do that. I could legitimately scumhunt and I legitimately was scumhunting you so please do go back and reread those games for the aforementioned reason

Why would I have to reread those games to attempt to read you? I know that you're antitown.

You're telling me to check my work when the back of the book says I was right, and I don't really care enough about whether I was right about you because I was right or because I jumped off a cliff and landed in a stack of hay.

[Bingle]

Gobbles being SK does go a long way towards explaining why his wagon felt so weird though.

[Bingle]

I'm not sure I agree, but that seems like a very town thought process.

BRB, I wanna check something.

[Bingle]

Nope, was misremembering. I thought she did basically the same thing in C9 but it turns out that not only was that actually 8 months ago (How does time even work?) but she did functionally the opposite with scumreading ducky despite crumbs.

Skits, could you point to what and why you thought were crumbs worth backing off from?

[Bingle]

I'm not sure I agree, but that seems like a very town thought process.

BRB, I wanna check something.

what post is this in response to?

PB's.

[Bingle]

guys i'm not vibing this wagon and i don't get it

ngl, the speed is very unnerving. I'm not sure who would be scum hopping on though, and I definitely still want to hear gobbles talk about why me doing literally the only thing he's seen town me do consistently for months is somehow scum indicative.

There's a difference between good case and 0 votes to L-1 in an hour.

With that said, none of the votes really strike me as opportunistic.

Maria's would be the worst, but she's been clearly telegraphing a gobbles scumread independently of my own since before mine existed.

[Bingle]

VOTE: Firebringer

[Bingle]

15 pagetops?

[Bingle]

I think Bingle saw my other crumbs but still remained on my wagon after even quoting them so I’m suss of him.

You were giving off mild commuter vibes, but I didn't look for any crumbs, no.

[Bingle]

I townsided in both MMII and Korina’s C9++ so I do not understand this post. If you mean in the literal sense, obviously. But I can tip the scales to the town, which is what I’ve always done as 3P.

Can confirm. 3p gobbles tried really hard to help town when his win became impossible in MM2. I'm not just saying this because I 3p side in every situation where it's a viable town strategy, but because gobbles is actually likely to try to help town here.

On a more important note, gobbles here is most threatened by scum. Town has the ability to lynch him, but there's nothing he can do about that. Scum has the ability to endgame him and shoot him. Assuming 3 scum, he needs to kill 2 of them to win. Assuming 2 scum, he needs to kill 1 of them to win. If he starts YOLOshooting people who are towny, he gets lynched immediately. That means he's a clear and present threat to scum. Therefore, scum is also likely to shoot at gobbles, because gobbles is a bigger threat to scum than most of the town (he's a half-a-vig, functionally). He takes a significant portion of their ability to control the game away from them.

There remains the possibility, however slight, that gobbles is groupscum yoloclaiming 3p in order to survive as a leashed SK (which would be tight as hell), but assuming that gobbles' scumread list is reasonable, gobbles remains cooperative, and we actually have a decent lead on hitting scum and aren't just throwing a dart at a board blindfolded I'm in favor of keeping the turkey in order to fatten him up a bit for the slaughter.

[Bingle]

I think Bingle saw my other crumbs but still remained on my wagon after even quoting them so I’m suss of him.

You were giving off mild commuter vibes, but I didn't look for any crumbs, no.

And he still pushed this.

So town. So town.

I mean... I really didn't until you made a case I saw as obviously fabricated, and then immediately decided I needed to reevaluate when A) the wagon shot up as fast as it did and B) you further explained your case as being specifically about the Mena case.

I'm not sure what the scum motivation behind pushing you while you were giving off commuter vibes as opposed to just letting you do your thing is supposed to be, so... :shrug:

[Bingle]

Problem is, as endgame approaches, the SK can become a pain in the ass. Can't remember the game of the game but it was a Krazy game where I was scum and Alch was the SK and we all practically knew that he was a SK but we (by we I mean the entire playerlist, scum and town) didn't deal with him until the last minute and it became a huge threat (for both parties). I mean for my team it wasn't that bad keeping him alive 'cause he kept shooting town, but at the end when my team already lost, town had to gambit to win the game against him.

Why not just, getting rid of that alternative?

The argument that actually holds weight? I'm willing to make the high risk high reward play that gobbles here performs similarly to tw in that game where tw shot the entire scumteam as SK.

The actual truth of the matter? I like 3p roles a lot and would prefer losing to one over losing to scum. I won't gamethrow, but I will take gambles to give them the edge if they can be justified in my mind.

You're not wrong that 3p can be messy late game. You're not wrong that the extra KPN could bite us hard if gobbles has shit reads. You're not even wrong that if gobbles decides he doesn't want to townside he's a bigger weight than benefit.

I'm just personally inclined to gamble the other way.

[Bingle]

Blake what do you think of the wagons that brought me to L-2 and L-1 respectively?

This is why I'm voting Fire, btw.

[Bingle]

Does anyone know if PB would be likely to fake a townslip as scum?

I think the answer is no, but I've spent the last like 4 games we play together mislynching him so I don't really trust myself on that judgment call.

[Bingle]

Actively don't want dead:
Bingle
Pink Ball
skitter30 Datisi
MariaR Penguin Power



Need to sort:

Blake Belladonna
lilith2013
Chemist1422
Something_Smart
Menalque
Firebringer

[Bingle]

Does anyone know if PB would be likely to fake a townslip as scum?

I think the answer is no, but I've spent the last like 4 games we play together mislynching him so I don't really trust myself on that judgment call.

I kinda think he would I just don’t know if he has. He’s done it twice which has given me some doubts

Is this English

Mena is pointing out that the townslip I'm talking about has been repeated.

It's not like it's not obvious or anything, but scum PB would know that scum can't actually determine if there's an SK but his post

@mena about the setup, we first flip gobble, then we discuss it. Scum has more info about the setup so they could know that SK is a safe claim. I mean no one's going to counter, but they could be caught in the future if the allegedly real SK flips

implies a lack of that knowledge. My gut response is that PB wouldn't do something like that, but it's actually crazy easy to fake and I wanted input from people who know him better.

[Bingle]

Now is that a town slip for Pb and not just a Pb thing?

+1. That's what I wanted people's opinions on.

If it's a PB thing and he's not likely to fake a townslip, it also means we can make a few assumptions about his potential scumpartners (that they're not the type to mastermind/talk mechanics in the scum PT.) I think that would slightly reduce the chance of PB scum with SS and Maria and more solidly reduce the chance of PB scum with Mena/skitter.

[Bingle]

MariaR said she doesn’t understand the setup though

My experience with MariaR is that she engages her scumteam in ways that they can abuse the setup when she's around (Role Call) but that it's not necessarily something she'd always do. Hence, slightly less likely. Both Mena and skitts are very likely to be actively speccing in the scum PT in my mind.

[Bingle]

VOTE: Firebringer

For the same reason I alluded to?

[Bingle]

No, but I’ll read your reasons.

He opposed your lynch the first time on the basis of it's speed and the lack of case (along with a presumed townread from the way he was treating you). The only real change is that he feels that you're absent at a point that you were actively defending yourself, he thinks you're a vig, and he still puts you at L-1. I don't see a progression, and he's suddenly fine with the wagon he didn't like a day ago.

Or, more to the point, FB is the intersection of soft defending against the first wagon on you and being on the second wagon on you.

Spoiler:

why

Because flash wagons happen a lot and flash defenses do not happen a lot.

but there was literally no case on gobbles scum? the flash wagon didn't have a case attached. It was like everyone just jumped on for 0 reason. Why wouldn't anyone call that out as weird or ask people to explain

warmpuppy has my posts hidden.

yeah. But i don't see ur case as the reason anyone jumped on. It was pretty random flash wagon. And I don't think ur points against gobbles are good either

[Bingle]

Skitter, what're your thoughts about FB softdefending gobbles and then turning around and voting him?

Also, note that he was defending gobbles after

Maria's case:

I want gobble to explain like, anything. His reads feel entirely made up on the spot/meaning to take advantage of the game state. It's a light read that will probably change when he gives me the sit down, but until then I will call him scum. This game had a lot more filler than I was expecting, making it a bit harder to get into it.

[Bingle]

@skitter: How do you feel about this sequence?

VOTE: Gobbles

u feel like u lack presence my bird dude.

i think gobbles is a vig.

[Bingle]

Fair. All of my scum prospects are weak reads though. I'm pretty sure I'm mostly right on townreads, but the people who could be scum are all frustratingly nullish.

Maybe I'm just not going to get a read I'm sure enough about to lynch over gobbles.

I do want to hear from Blake about the state of the game and Chemslot about pretty much anything though.

[Bingle]

Also if ss were scum i'd expect multiple scum to be on the original gobble wagon

Could you explain this?

I think I get where you're coming from, I just want to be sure.

[Bingle]

like they see their partners are doing x, so they throw shade on the people not doing x to validate what their partners are doing, if that makes sense

Yeah, that's kinda what I thought you were getting at.

Softdefending gobbles and simultaneously casting shade at the other people soft defending gobbles to hedge his bets against the wagon shifting to a scumbuddy. I think the inverse conclusion (SS is not scum with Skitter/FB/I think there was one more person doing that) is more reliable, though.

[Bingle]

Scum are most likely to be in the rest of the votes, especially ones that suddenly appeared after the SK reveal.

Gobbles was L-1 before the SK reveal.

There were unvotes after, but I don't think anyone jumped on.

I'd have to double check to determine who is in the gobbles must die vs gobbles must vig camps.

[Bingle]

gobble would you make a lolkill tonight?

How do you define a lolkill?

Killing Bingle.

[Bingle]

Gobbles wagon was originally lead by me/maria. I got cold feet but didn't unvote and Maria/Mena lead the push on the resurgence that took him to actual L-1 instead of fake L-1. PB and FB were on wagon 2, PP was on wagon 1, Mena, Maria, Dats and I were on both.

[Bingle]

Has there been much said about Pink Ball?

His name stands out among those that I'd expect to have more of a presence based around how he's speaking in this game, but I can't actually remember any major events that I can recall actually involving him.

Now is that a town slip for Pb and not just a Pb thing?

+1. That's what I wanted people's opinions on.

If it's a PB thing and he's not likely to fake a townslip, it also means we can make a few assumptions about his potential scumpartners (that they're not the type to mastermind/talk mechanics in the scum PT.) I think that would slightly reduce the chance of PB scum with SS and Maria and more solidly reduce the chance of PB scum with Mena/skitter.

PB is also firmly "We should lynch gobbles". Don't think he's done much else recently.

[Bingle]

I suppose I'm more asking how much influence Menalque has on the game.

He's probably the biggest individual shaker and/or mover.

I'm probably the biggest source of content in that the sum of content about and produced by me is the largest, although I think objectively I've probably not said as much as Mena.

Gobbles and skitts also notable mentions.

PB/Chem/FB/Dats/you/lilith/SS/Maria/PP are all various shades of low impact with spurts of big activity. Of those, Maria, Dats and SS probably had the biggest actual game impact. (Maria's gobbles push, SS defending gobbles, Dats fight with Mena).

[Bingle]

VC NOW!

[Bingle]

Bingle could literally have access to my account and then still be like “the turkey is scum”

Something something mutual scumreads something.

[Bingle]

I don't see how you got FIVE even if you thought BD resolved first. It's either or. BD resolves before Hider = those targeting X will actually hit Y and vise versa. If BD resolves after the the Hider hits the designated target of their choice. Unless you also assumed Y is SCUM (in addition to thinking BD resolved before Hiding), so you thought Y visitors would hit X (and if there's a Hider among them they will die, otherwise they're not the Hider) AND those who targeted C will hit Y (and if the Hider is among them will die because they hid behind Scum, otherwise they're not the Hider).

You misunderstand how NAR works, as always, old friend.

The Golden Rule applies first:

Apply actions which modify other actions before the actions they modify.

In this case, say that a Hider targets Maria and a busdriver targets Maria. The busdriver effects the hider, but the hider doesn't effect the busdriver. Therefore the busdriver applies first, meaning the hider will target someone who is not Maria.

To get a case with the ordered list mattering here, we'll say the hider is the case where it is fully untargetable, not just immune to NKs. The hider targets Maria and the Busdriver targets Maria and the hider. The hider and bus driver both attempt to effect each other (hider by making the busdriver fail, busdriver by making the hider change targets). The hider takes priority, the busdriver fails, and the hider is awkwardly crouched behind Maria all night while she showcases a complete lack of situational awareness as town or has a murderparty as scum.

Of course, that's not the version of the hider in this game. The version of the hider in this game is the version where only nightkills fail to target them, so the busdriver will always be able to effect the hider's target.



As far as narrowing down the hider faster than 4 per night, there will be overlap in the hider target claims. It doesn't make sense to target someone who is a universal townread or a claimed PR since they're probably going to die and you don't get much knowledge from targeting them. It doesn't make sense to target someone you're sure is scum because innocent results are better for a hider than guilties. As such, with 12 people going into night we can assume only 8-9 of them will be reasonable choices for a hider, meaning we can assume significant overlap in the hider crumbs.

[Bingle]

Hi a50 !!!!

A50 is town! That was easy!

Gobbles i hope you're ok/not suffering from covid

Yeah, probably.

[Bingle]

It appears that the last couple of days haven't happened.

Can confirm, they did not.

[Bingle]

ok so can we lynch ss now!

Keep your pants on, I need to actually get my feet under me. I've been drifting in a sea of low motivation, but I'm no longer dripping snot like a faucet and I should be able to actually make some sense of the game today.

[Bingle]

Ok, yeah, I have no problems with

VOTE: SS

[Bingle]

Ok, yeah, I have no problems with

VOTE: SS

Why?

I think the argument skitts has wrt your gobbles stance has merit and I don't think there's anything that stands out as town in your ISO.

@Maria, I assume gobbles will be lynched or vigged at some point and I don't think killing him gives as much info.

[Bingle]

I'm very ill with some sort of respiratory sickness (please dear god not covid) so I will not be here much over the next couple of days

Good luck, turkey friend.

[Bingle]

[Bingle]

@Bingle: What is the correct play here? Lynch gobble on D1 or let him live for a day or two?

It’s a Nash equilibrium. Theoretically, optimal play for town would be to lynch him, but the fact that that is the optimal play for town makes it so that sometimes it’s not the optimal play.

If you’re going pure mathematics we probably want to lynch gobbles here somewhere around 80% of the time.



That’s all pretty much useless right now though. I’d rather lynch one of the more contentious slots because I think it will give us a higher information D2. I would entertain lynching gobbles to not have a distraction like gobbles has been D2, but that presumes we’ll continue to have active town voices. At this point though, we really just need to pull a trigger and be done with it.

[Bingle]

I think we’re at two L-3 wagons. You’re in no need of rushing, I know that can be hell on the joints.

[Bingle]

but its usually not like a solid plan.

Firebringer, hammered by A50, day 4.

[Bingle]

Like 4 Ts or 3Ts are the most likely outcomes, yes? I’m pretty sure bingle/ddl ran the math on that in C9++

So if we’ve ruled out that we’re in 7 or 6 Ts and we know that 0 or 1 Ts are unlikely, it means that unless we’re in 2 or 5 there’s no bus driver

It is in fact a bell curve, yes.

[Bingle]

I strongly doubt that Skitter30 would kill Pink Ball as scum on night one.

I also would not kill punk bill as scum on night 1.

[Bingle]

You know me, so you'll probably understand I won't rule out 6T unless we do have a second PR flip/claim. Theoretically is could still be 6T with scum deciding to holster to see if there's another kill to decide if they are in 6T or 7T themselves, while giving town the false impression that there might be a Doctor or there is not a SK (Too convoluted? Yes. Unlikey? Yes. Possible? Definitely YES).

I mean, there’s also crosskill potential, theoretically.

I want to say mena jumping to NKA looks town for the inverse of skitts reasoning on Lilith though.

[Bingle]

ok can you then review why scum!bingle kills you first here?

She's wrong, btw.

I would probably kill her exactly second for this reason. I'm strong enough as as scum to survive Blake for a couple days, and I'd bet on her knowing I fear her to pocket her.

I can explain why scum me wouldn't kill PB, even if that's a pretty irrelevant point.

I probably would have taken out PP as a tough mislynch (if I liked where my partners were, game state wise) or Mena as a way to shake things up and take control of the thread (if I thought my partners were in danger).

[Bingle]

To be clear, I think Blake's assumption is a reasonable one for her to make and she is correct in that she is the scariest town player to scum Bingle. I just like to play WIFOM games with my scumkills.

[Bingle]

I think you’d only kill me if I were right tbh

God no. My nightkills are almost never about people being right.

If you're wrong and loud you can reevaluate. If you're dead, you can't oppose me pocketing the people I know I can pocket and take over.

If there ARE people who are right about my partners, I need to take over.

[Bingle]

I don’t think I’ve seen you ask people to vote with you that much? Like you’ve been saying why you wanna lynch S_S but you haven’t been (I don’t think) asking individual players or groups of players to vote with you that much and then following up with them if they’re hesitant to try to get them to vote there. I think you’re kinda doing it with me now, but I don’t think you’ve done that specifically that much and that’s what I mean by “wagon building”

She reached out pretty hard to me.

I'm actually jiving pretty hard with Mena's readslist a few pages ago.

[Bingle]

Datisi, skitter - town
Blake, bingle
A50 - townlean
S_S - null
Firebringer, mariaR, PP - nullscum
Lilith - scum

More confident on the townreads than the scumreads, but this gives me the warm fuzzies and I don't think it was sculpted with me in mind, so I don't think it's a pocket attempt.

[Bingle]

If skitter were trying harder to wagon build there would be more votes on SS

I disagree.

Skitt's was pushing against the power of LAL and SS added to the apathy of the town. She had an uphill battle from the get go. Assuming that a lack of results when rolling a boulder up a hill is a direct result of a lack of effort as opposed to a result of the difficulty of the task is flawed.

The argument for SS being scum is comparatively weak to some cases, but she most definitely HAS been pushing it.

[Bingle]

Bingle who do you wanna lynch today?

I lean SS atm, but that's mostly on the basis of trusting skitter and a weird feeling that SS was frustrated yesterday that what by all rights should have been a free mislynch was as hard as it was wrt Gobbles.

[Bingle]

bingle what do you think about blake's list?

It's pretty much what I'd expect from her, tbh.

[Bingle]

Who do you think is scum, SS?

[Bingle]

Okay, but who else?

If you're town as a consensus scumread, you have a unique position to try to figure out why town has a consensus that is flawed.

If town's consensus isn't flawed, we probably just win, so I'm a lot more interested in talking about what is the case if it is.

[Bingle]

You think SS is gonna flip scum even after the fact basically everyone was okay with his lynch? That just gives me pause.

This is less true of SS than of lilith.

Also, who do you suspect of the people suspecting SS?

[Bingle]

bingle, mariar, lilith can i interest any of you in voting ss?

VOTE: SS

I was hoping for interesting interactions to sway my opinion, but the game seems pretty stalled out right now.

[Bingle]

i am not townreading bingle, and i think he can be scum with or without ss being scum

Honestly I think it's kind of weird that so many people are. It's okay though, I won't hold it against you.

[Bingle]

does anybody want to talk with me about whether they think lilith/ss can be svs?

I think it's unlikely that they're both scum, but I'm not sure which one is more likely to be.

[Bingle]

surely if he sees me flip town that would make him reconsider SS?

Why?

[Bingle]

Would you agree that bingle tends not to lie about mechanics regardless of alignment and get a second opinion there?

I'm not sure what the question is, but skitts should play her role like a vig in a closed setup.

She should shoot in her nullscum pool, not telegraph the shot (by claiming it in advance), and we should assume that she as town will be more likely to hit scum than random lynching.

Talking about who she should specifically kill is antitown, but she should definitely kill. Holstering is bad.

As to whether there's more likely more town power or not (BD/JOAT cases), I'm getting the feeling of a small scumteam, but that's by no means actionable information.

[Bingle]

Ah, I see the suggestion.

A50, holstering from skitts just lets the scumteam know they can use the theoretical BD as a strongman.

Skitts should be shooting a scumread, but not necessarily her strongest scumread, and she absolutely should not be claiming the shot in advance.

[Bingle]

I mean...

If you're not vigging, scum can choose to BD you with random townie A who is incredibly unlikely to be docced/JK'd/what have you.

If they do so, they just kill random townie A and you die regardless of whatever protective presumably exists to keep you alive. They might even choose to do so if you telegraph your shot and it's targeting town.

If you ARE shooting, but they don't know who, they have to gamble on whether to use their power defensively or offensively (Or holster for a stronger use later). Scum having less perfect information when choosing how to use their powers is ideal.

The downside is that theoretically you could hit a TPR who would otherwise claim and be NK'd, but that's a low risk scenario.

[Bingle]

ONE kill

One kill, presumably on skitter. Who, in the case that we're low power with a BD, is a large portion of our power.

[Bingle]

No, not really.

I understand the reasons people have given for town reading me, but I would not townread me based on those reasons if that makes sense.

[Bingle]

Like, for example, Blake's logic about me not killing her is flawed, but it's flawed logic that townBlake would absolutely follow. I can understand that she does townread me, but I don't think the townread is something that necessarily would net results.

I don't think I'm a traditionally readable player, in that when I actually become obvtown it's usually based on an outcome of what I've been pushing or not pushing. You can absolutely trust me to be town at the point where I make it impossible for scum me to win the game.

[Bingle]

Yes. Because pocketing someone is NAI for me. It is helpful to both scumBingle and townBingle, therefore I don't try to hide that I'm doing it when I'm scum.

[Bingle]

Yeah, I'm not easy to townread.

It's kind of the core of PP's Bingle philosophy.

I'm crazy open as both alignments and act as transparently protown as possible. I thus am ALWAYS a good cop target.

The reason my scumgame doesn't suffer as a result is that despite that, I'm actually a useful player, especially in the late game, so killing me is usually low reward.

[Bingle]

My tinfoil theory, btw, is Maria/SS. I'm not sure about a 3rd even existing, but am specifically not townreading Warmpuppy/PP. I don't think Lilith/SS is likely to be S/S and I don't see an obvious partner for Lilith. As such, I prefer an SS lynch to a Lilith one.

[Bingle]

So am I and I'm not being wagoned.

You offer less info than SS.

Maria’s posts about them not interacting while she’s been largely completely absent and her soft defense of SS are pretty much the perfect example of why I think they have S/S equity.

[Bingle]

Bingle is a scumlean. I know it's stale, but it's the only scum lead I have and it's better than nothing. It feels like he's trying to control the gamestate while keeping his distance. He jumped on my wagon earlier citing skitter's dubious reasoning and wouldn't engage me on it; he's challenged my mechanics but doesn't seem interested in talking it out. In other words, he's distant, and doesn't really seem to be engaging.

Lynx?

[Bingle]

It doesn’t really resolve any of my gut issues with him. My issue with him pushing gobbles was never about the what but the how. S’why I want him to elaborate on his scumread on me. I want to try to figure out whether he’s scum or town from the elaboration.

[Bingle]

You’re just trying to get to the pagetop to redeem yourself, .peng

[Bingle]

What did you make of these contextually, SS? Also, where and what about did we have a mechanics conversation that you thought was underresolved?

Spoiler:

Actively don't want dead:
Bingle
Pink Ball
skitter30 Datisi
MariaR Penguin Power



Need to sort:

Blake Belladonna
lilith2013
Chemist1422
Something_Smart
Menalque
Firebringer

like they see their partners are doing x, so they throw shade on the people not doing x to validate what their partners are doing, if that makes sense

Yeah, that's kinda what I thought you were getting at.

Softdefending gobbles and simultaneously casting shade at the other people soft defending gobbles to hedge his bets against the wagon shifting to a scumbuddy. I think the inverse conclusion (SS is not scum with Skitter/FB/I think there was one more person doing that) is more reliable, though.

[Bingle]

Whatever.

VOTE: Firebringer

What changed?

[Bingle]

I thought we were talking off the assumption S_S/lillith was T/T

I'm still working on the assumption that SS/Lilith is S/T in some fashion and that SS's lynch gives me more information. I prefer a Maria lynch to a Lilith one. I think the gamestate stalling is adequately explained by a small scumteam as opposed to a lack of scum desire to shift anything.

I don't think that reads post is something outside of scum SS's capabilities. The lack of hard stances makes it unlikely to be damning if he flips scum and he wasn't really a defacto lynch when he made it. I also don't think that being disengaged from the game is a towntell here from SS. I think it's genuine, sure, but I don't see why scum him is any less likely to be disengaged than town him.

[Bingle]

Thread is dead.

VOTE: Maria

We need a flip. If that flip is me, so be it. I think any of Maria/SS/Lilith provides more concrete stances to analyse though.

[Bingle]

Bingle saying me and S_S look good as scum together while giving no context on how they think scum me would do such a thing or examples is really bad btw.
VOTE: Bingle

I assumed posting "Shitty defense of SS" was enough to reference the following, and no one seemed interested in SS. We need a flip.

Oh S_S is a ML btw.

You think SS is gonna flip scum even after the fact basically everyone was okay with his lynch? That just gives me pause.

(Btw All you have to do is take a look at how me and S_S interacted to see how we're never scum together.)

I prefer Lilith because I've at points townread S_S more than I have her

[Bingle]

At this point Blake, S_S, and (mostly) bingle are all vanities. If you’re on one you should pick a proper wagon or try to turn the person you’re on into a real wagon if you have a lot of conviction that they’re scum. S_S needs to make an actual vote

I

still

prefer the SS wagon, but it's clear that you and skitts aren't willing to lynch there.

Softdefending gobbles and simultaneously casting shade at the other people soft defending gobbles to hedge his bets against the wagon shifting to a scumbuddy. I think the inverse conclusion (SS is not scum with Skitter/FB/I think there was one more person doing that) is more reliable, though.

Town

skitter30
Almost50
Blake Belladonna
Datisi
Menalque

Null

Firebringer
Penguin Power

Null Scum

lilith2013
MariaR

Scummy

Something_Smart

Given my reads look a little something like this, I think it's perfectly reasonable that I'm voting Maria when my main scumread is not a viable lynch candidate and the other person I think is null scum is probably not scum with said lynch candidate.


I'm also interested in how I'm setting up lynch chains, because I'm pretty sure that's Maria just talking out of her ass.

[Bingle]

That's probably the worst way you

could

defend a scum buddy. The best case in that theory is that someone thinks the interactions are too bad for you to be scum with that person. But that should never be your goal in the first place. If you're gonna defend a buddy go all in or at least make it seem believable. Going for a 'shitty defense' as you call it is not the way.
pedit: I agree with this random voice in my head

I think you didn't give enough of a shit about the game to put in a lot of effort but still wanted to try to shift things away from your partner. It fits my gamestate read of small scumteam, low town power. It fits my townreads. It fits my impression of your recent scumgames, like that one where you got lynched D1. And let's be honest, I don't have the leverage or the wim to deal with a deepwolf in this game.

[Bingle]

This is just an assumption at the end of the day. It’s also one with no merit. If I was able to be caught or meta read off one or two scum games my win rate wouldn’t be as high as it is. Because I would lose more often than not. Clearly that isn’t the case. Yes I got lynched day 1 in a ‘recent’ game but that is the first time it’s ever happened. Your entire argument is just doesn’t work here.

Now you voting me because you don’t think SS is partners with Lilith would be fine if you made any type of progress. But I fail to see that.

Yes, my gamestate read is based on an assumption that I can read the gamestate. The rest of your argument ignores pretty much everything I've said. Do I have a strong reason to scumread you? No. Do I have any reason to town read you? No.

I also don't think I need to explain why I think SS/Lilith is less likely S/S, given that pretty much everyone in the thread has played at least one game of mafia.

[Bingle]

The most obvious town after this would normally be Bingle, but I'm actually a lot less certain about his alignment mainly because of something specific he mentioned a bit earlier.

I will dig out quotes sometime later to be sure that I'm remembering correctly.

if you haven't done the bolded yet, can you do so ?

biiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnggggggggglllllllllleeeeeee should i be voting you rn? i was kinda hoping for some kind of reaction .

I don't think you *should* but I don't have a particular issue if you do.

[Bingle]

i mean i guess if the person townreading me the most votes me i would ... maybe try to do something about it?

Why?

Generally when people vote me my response is one of two things: I derail my wagon or I use their vote to attempt to read them. I don't see the former as immensely valuable with my gamestate read and I don't need to do the latter. To me, your vote on me is a complete nonentity and engaging with it is a waste of the motivation I have to spend on this game.

[Bingle]

was in the apocalyptic upick dead thread,

Don’t touch your face, man.

[Bingle]

i kinda want to vote mariar tho
i'm feeling very indecisive today

Yes. You are. And I think it’s the worst thing for the gamestate.


Pick a couple of people whose flip you think will be informative and flip them.

[Bingle]

I think I’m not townreading A50 based on my own reads actually, but I am by the proxy of skitter and my own tendency to misread him as being scum

A50 is town because he keeps being wrong in ways that scum him would have caught and he's not particularly good at faking his logical failures.

For example, a 2 person scumteam actually knows a SK has a 67% chance of existing, a 3 person scumteam without a blocker has a 50% chance of SK, and a 3 person scumteam with a BD actually has a 33% chance to have an SK in the setup.

Town, OTOH, has an exactly 50% chance based on 0 PR claims existing.


As an aside, yes, Mena, the most likely individual situation based on math, what has happened and skitter's claim is actually 4T. Which is 2x Goon and a JOAT. The explanations for a single kill with a two person scumteam are, in decreasing order of likelihood {Skitter SK, Double kill on PB, Holstered Kill). Having looked at the setup, I don't think any of those are particularly likely, which does actually shake my scumread on Maria a bit.

UNVOTE:

I'll probably reevaluate tomorrow and throw a vote down.

[Bingle]

There are 3 scenarios in which we have 2 groupscum and 5 in which we don’t, including the two most likely scenarios by probability (again, I’m pretty sure this is what bingle or ddl calculated in C9++ and I think bingle has confirmed again this game that 3 or 4 Ts are the most likely)

For those who are incredible nerds, the seventh row of Pascal's triangle (the bottom row in the picture) represents our odds of numbers of T's perfectly. Each of those is the number of expected outcomes reduced, where the common denominator to transform it into percentages is 128.

Odds we have at least one vig is most easily calculated by going backwards. Find the odds there is no vig, and subtract that from one. It's roughly 17%.

This has been Bingle, weighing in on the least important discussion we've had so far in the thread.

[Bingle]

I'm going to skip all the math talk since it is A) 100% useless and B) Not helpful. We lynch the vengeful claim. There's no world where that is bad for us since Lilith is a strong scumread and you can take out someone in the 'poe' without the bus driver being a threat. Like me and Bingle

+1

I'll look at the math in a minute, but you never don't lynch a vengeful claim.

[Bingle]

okay i attempted this again - i think the probability of exactly 2K's is .1^2 * .9^5 * (the number of combinations of arrangements for 2 K's in a 7 letter setup which is 27 = 6 + 5 + 4 + 3 + 2 + 1), which is 12.4%

This is correct.

[Bingle]

lilith

Well, I mean...

VOTE: Lilith

[Bingle]

*Urge to unvote to torture Mena intensifies*

[Bingle]

Bingle make the case for why you shouldn’t be killed today

I mean... the case is that a scumpartner of mine would never make the objectively worst fake claim available given I coach the shit out of claims as scum. Also, I guess I can point out that I wanted to lynch FB until BB told me to drop it.

I'm not gonna cry too hard if I have to die for being in the PoE here though.

[Bingle]

I don't think SS/Lilith was S/S.

[Bingle]

It's entirely possible that the scumteam suspect that I was the one who blocked their kill on night one, so they roleblocked me instead night two.

If scum suspected a protective PR existed it's more likely that they would use the SMan instead of the roleblock.

[Bingle]

I would lynch pretty much anyone before SS here, I think.

SS/Lilith being S/S means that there was no significant push to any towny for a long time. SS would necessarily be the scum PR, who Firepup decided to bus from D1. When the Maria counterwagon popped up, it would have had to be entirely towndriven while there were competing wagons on scum, and scum never joined that wagon.

None of that adds up for me.

[Bingle]

Btw, if we do lynch the JOAT and the game isn't over then BINGLE is the SK. I know it's a very very unlikely scenario to begin with, but if it is the case then Bingle is the ONLY player in this player list who would adopt the holstering policy to hide his existence as SK.

I'd've shot Blake last night, tbh. She's a claimed PR and she has a history of not only catching me but getting me lynched.

[Bingle]

And why did lillith refuse to vote S_S when it was the only way to save herself?

Because then she couldn't make the "I'm not scum because I'm not voting my cw" argument and she could leave behind the obvious association you're following.

The narrative just falls apart if SS is actually scum though.

[Bingle]

I mean... SK me also had no reason to refute that. There was no potential gain in saying that, I just felt like saying it.

If I were the SK my best path to victory there is to shut up and shoot you tonight. (Also, it just now occurred to me that I actually would have shot Skitter, because she was a claimed vig who suspected me.)

[Bingle]

bingle, who do you do want to lynch?

I dunno.

I think all of SS/Maria/PP are town based on circumstances, and think Blake should recognize that.

A50 is just obvtown.

That leaves me with:

Menalque
Bingle
Blake Belladonna
Datisi

Of those? I'd probably prefer to lynch Mena first. BB makes the most sense as scum, I think, but she's claimed PR and we're nowhere near LYLO. I don't have the town equity to get any of those to lynch though, so I'm going to make my arguments and then presumably eat the lynch so I'm not a distraction.

[Bingle]

I mean... Ego wise I want to be right on Datisi and you on Day 1. That's it. There's no real deeper logic. I just get to feel better about my play D1 if you're the last scum.

[Bingle]

Maria isn't group scum because she was the alternative lynch to both lillith and S_S, and -similar to Bingle- I don't think lillith claims vengeful if Maria was on her team (not to mention Maria wanted lillith lynched and it didn't look like a bus to me)

Kinda this for Maria.

PP just repeatedly italicizing Lilith isn't a play for towncred, which makes it an unlikely bus. The push was too empty to be bussing.

[Bingle]

Hmm.

Hmmm.

[Bingle]

who's the only person on this playerlist that consistently calls me she?

Bingle?

I legitimately thought you used she until someone brought it up ITT.

[Bingle]

Mena, I just don't fucking know rn.

I need to actually sit down and look at the setup and the thread if I want to be useful and I'm just not capable of that tonight.

I think I'm comfortable saying it's guaranteed to be 3 PRs? Like... SK would be baffling. It might actually be worth it to massclaim, but I don't want to do that because I can't work through the implications of outing you/Blake roles, etc. We may well be in mech autowin, in which case it might actually be best to no lynch here? I dunno. Give me until tomorrow night and I'll actually put some real effort in.

[Bingle]

This is a hard puzzle for me to solve.

He's either crumbing a tracker or JK. If tracker, then MafJOAT me would have had to ninja kill the claimed PR with evidence of a protective, not rb'd a claimed PR with evidence of a protective, or holster and not Strongman with evidence of a protective and a claimed vig who scumread me. Datisi is less conclusive because ninja kill N1 makes perfect sense with no setup knowledge.

If JK, it's even less conclusive because ambiguity of roleblock/protect, but the JOAT is more likely to perform the kill than a goon which makes it slightly clearing.



Oh, also, I had a chance to think a bit more about mechanics. If anyone is a PR outside of Mena/Blake they should claim that they are a PR, since that's functionally a CC if there's no SK. I am not. I am also willing to gamble the game on there not being an SK at this point, especially when if there is an SK that should become apparent by tomorrow at the latest.

Mena/Blake should not claim their actual role, but should pseudoclaim targets for JK so that they don't have clears disappear. Blake should claim who she would have investigated each night if she was an inno/guilty style PR. They should 100% target for scum if they're a JK.

(i.e. if I'm a JK I will target Maria tonight) Obviously if one is a doc they will target the other.

We should not no lynch, as we're not unlikely to hit an extra mislynch as things stand.

It is not impossible we're in autowin, but not massclaiming shouldn't be able to take us out of it if we follow those prescribed guidelines.

[Bingle]

Oh, someone should ask if JK targetting the SMan making the kill would stop the kill. It *should* but I don't want to assume and be bitten.

[Bingle]

One more page to go, and it's come down to:

Spoiler:

Or

Spoiler:

I choose

Spoiler:

[Bingle]

If we assume FB makes the kill assuming skitter wouldn't be protected that doesn't explain why JOAT me doesn't roleblock skitts when I'm firmly in her PoE.

It's not a hard clear, but it is strong evidence that I'm town, which is exactly what Mena claimed it was.

The evidence on Dats is significantly weaker, also as Mena claimed.

[Bingle]

I have a post restriction where I have to say something ban able in each post and if I don’t I get forced to keep playing mafia.

[Bingle]

He's either crumbing a tracker or JK. If tracker, then MafJOAT me would have had to ninja kill the claimed PR with evidence of a protective, not rb'd a claimed PR with evidence of a protective, or holster and not Strongman with evidence of a protective and a claimed vig who scumread me. Datisi is less conclusive because

ninja kill N1 makes perfect sense with no setup knowledge.

@mena

I would. SS is right that you’re unlikely to be caught be a tracker N1 but you also actually want to get the utility out of the role and the odds that there’s a tracker and they’ll survive and the JoaT will survive are all pretty low tbh.

The takeaway, though, is that neither rb not sman get used N1 and the JOAT never makes a vanilla kill N1, so the track result is actually pretty useless.

[Bingle]

Oh, someone should ask if JK targetting the SMan making the kill would stop the kill. It *should* but I don't want to assume and be bitten.

No it shouldn't? Aren't strongman kills immune to being roleblocked?

Huh, apparently they are. That’s annoying. It is fairly likely that sman was used to kill skitts though, so that’s still somewhat helpful.

[Bingle]

Spoiler: @Blake, roughly 1/8th assed job of coloring VCs

VOTE COUNT 3.2

PenguinPower [2]:

[/color]

Menalque

[3748], Datisi [3943]

Bingle

[1]:

[/color]

Blake Belladonna

[3650]

Datisi [1]:

[/color] MariaR [3783]

Not Voting [4]:

[/color]

Bingle

, Something_Smart, Almost50, PenguinPower [3949]

With

8

alive, it takes

5

to hammer.
Day 3 ends in

(expired on 2020-07-08 16:00:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

Blake Belladonna

v/la

VOTE COUNT 3.1

Bingle

[1]:

[/color]

Blake Belladonna

[3650]

PenguinPower [1]:

[/color]

Menalque

[3748]

Menalque

[1]:

[/color] PenguinPower [3760]

Datisi [1]:

[/color] MariaR [3783]

Not Voting [4]:

[/color]

Bingle

, Something_Smart, Almost50, Datisi

With

8

alive, it takes

5

to hammer.
Day 3 ends in

(expired on 2020-07-08 16:00:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

Blake Belladonna

v/la

VOTE COUNT 3.0

Not Voting [8]:

[/color]

Menalque

,

Bingle

, MariaR, Something_Smart, PenguinPower, Almost50,

Blake Belladonna

, Datisi

With

8

alive, it takes

5

to hammer.
Day 3 ends in

(expired on 2020-07-08 16:00:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

n/a

VOTE COUNT 2.FINAL

lilith2013

[6]:

[/color] PenguinPower [2924], MariaR [3303], Almost50 [3445],

Bingle

[3584],

warmpuppy

[3620],

Menalque

[3621]

— HAMMER

[/color]

MariaR [1]:

[/color] Datisi [3113]

Blake Belladonna

[1]:

[/color]

lilith2013

[3184]

warmpuppy

[1]:

[/color]

Blake Belladonna

[3489]

Not Voting [2]:

[/color] Something_Smart,

skitter30

[3493]

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to hammer.
Day 2 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-30 01:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

v/la until she feels better + regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 2.11

lilith2013

[4]:

[/color] PenguinPower [2924], MariaR [3303], Almost50 [3445],

Menalque

[3490]

— [L-2]

[/color]

MariaR [1]:

[/color] Datisi [3113]

Something_Smart [1]:

[/color]

warmpuppy

[2424]

Blake Belladonna

[1]:

[/color]

lilith2013

[3184]

warmpuppy

[1]:

[/color]

Blake Belladonna

[3489]

Not Voting [3]:

[/color] Something_Smart,

Bingle

[3457],

skitter30

[3493]

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to hammer.
Day 2 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-30 01:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

v/la until she feels better + regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

@ofrhz, just to check, can a bus driver affect a vengeshot?

No

VOTE COUNT 2.10

lilith2013

[5]:

[/color] PenguinPower [2924],

Blake Belladonna

[3269], MariaR [3303], Almost50 [3445],

skitter30

[3465]

— [L-1]

[/color]

MariaR [2]:

[/color] Datisi [3113],

Menalque

[3187]

Something_Smart [1]:

[/color]

warmpuppy

[2424]

Blake Belladonna

[1]:

[/color]

lilith2013

[3184]

Not Voting [2]:

[/color] Something_Smart,

Bingle

[3457]

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to hammer.
Day 2 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-30 01:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

v/la until she feels better + regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 2.9

MariaR [4]:

[/color] Almost50 [3111], Datisi [3113],

Menalque

[3187],

Bingle

[3266]

-- [L-2]

[/color]

lilith2013

[3]:

[/color] PenguinPower [2924],

Blake Belladonna

[3269], MariaR [3303]

Bingle

[1]:

[/color]

skitter30

[3209]

Something_Smart [1]:

[/color]

warmpuppy

[2424]

Blake Belladonna

[1]:

[/color]

lilith2013

[3184]

Not Voting [1]:

[/color] Something_Smart

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to hammer.
Day 2 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-30 01:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

v/la until she feels better + regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
PenguinPower v/la through Sunday

warmpuppy

v/la through Sunday
Datisi v/la through Sunday

I was so close

VOTE COUNT 2.8

MariaR [4]:

[/color] Almost50 [3111], Datisi [3113],

Menalque

[3187],

Bingle

[3266]

-- [L-2]

[/color]

lilith2013

[2]:

[/color] PenguinPower [2924],

Blake Belladonna

[3269]

Bingle

[2]:

[/color]

skitter30

[3209], MariaR [3271]

Something_Smart [1]:

[/color]

warmpuppy

[2424]

Blake Belladonna

[1]:

[/color]

lilith2013

[3184]

Not Voting [1]:

[/color] Something_Smart

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to hammer.
Day 2 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-30 01:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
PenguinPower v/la through Sunday

warmpuppy

v/la through Sunday

.

VOTE COUNT 2.8

MariaR [4]:

[/color] Almost50 [3111], Datisi [3113],

Menalque

[3187],

Bingle

[3266]

-- [L-2]

[/color]

lilith2013

[2]:

[/color] MariaR [2893], PenguinPower [2924]

Bingle

[2]:

[/color]

skitter30

[3209],

Blake Belladonna

[3210]

Something_Smart [1]:

[/color]

warmpuppy

[2424]

Blake Belladonna

[1]:

[/color]

lilith2013

[3184]

Not Voting [1]:

[/color] Something_Smart

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to hammer.
Day 2 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-30 01:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
PenguinPower v/la through Sunday

warmpuppy

v/la through Sunday

VOTE COUNT 2.7

MariaR [4]:

[/color]

skitter30

[3099], Almost50 [3111], Datisi [3113],

Menalque

[3187]

-- [L-2]

[/color]

lilith2013

[2]:

[/color] MariaR [2893], PenguinPower [2924]

Something_Smart [2]:

[/color]

warmpuppy

[2424],

Bingle

[2740]

warmpuppy

[1]:

[/color]

Blake Belladonna

[3118]

Blake Belladonna

[1]:

[/color]

lilith2013

[3184]

Not Voting [1]:

[/color] Something_Smart

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to hammer.
Day 2 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-30 01:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

I’m proud of our mod.

:dab:

VOTE COUNT 2.6

MariaR [3]:

[/color]

skitter30

[3099], Almost50 [3111], Datisi [3113]

lilith2013

[2]:

[/color] MariaR [2893], PenguinPower [2924]

Something_Smart [2]:

[/color]

warmpuppy

[2424],

Bingle

[2740]

warmpuppy

[1]:

[/color]

Blake Belladonna

[3118]

Not Voting [3]:

[/color] Something_Smart,

lilith2013

,

Menalque

[3060]

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to hammer.
Day 2 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-30 01:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

.

VOTE COUNT 2.5

Something_Smart [4]:

[/color]

warmpuppy

[2424],

Bingle

[2740], Almost50 [2887], Datisi [2988]

-- [L-2]

[/color]

lilith2013

[3]:

[/color]

Blake Belladonna

[2720], MariaR [2893], PenguinPower [2924]

Not Voting [4]:

[/color] Something_Smart,

lilith2013

,

skitter30

[2990],

Menalque

[3060]

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to hammer.
Day 2 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-30 01:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 2.4

lilith2013

[4]:

[/color]

Menalque

[2433],

Blake Belladonna

[2720], MariaR [2893], PenguinPower [2924]

-- [L-2]

[/color]

Something_Smart [4]:

[/color]

warmpuppy

[2424],

Bingle

[2740], Almost50 [2887], Datisi [2988]

-- [L-2]

[/color]

Not Voting [3]:

[/color] Something_Smart,

lilith2013

,

skitter30

[2990]

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to hammer.
Day 2 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-30 01:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 2.4

lilith2013

[4]:

[/color]

Menalque

[2433],

Blake Belladonna

[2720], MariaR [2893], PenguinPower [2924]

-- [L-2]

[/color]

Something_Smart [4]:

[/color]

skitter30

[2389],

warmpuppy

[2424],

Bingle

[2740], Almost50 [2887]

-- [L-2]

[/color]

Not Voting [3]:

[/color] Something_Smart,

lilith2013

, Datisi [2806]

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to hammer.
Day 2 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-30 01:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 2.3

lilith2013

[4]:

[/color]

Menalque

[2433], Almost50 [2467], PenguinPower [2470],

Blake Belladonna

[2720]

-- [L-2]

[/color]

Something_Smart [3]:

[/color]

skitter30

[2389],

warmpuppy

[2424],

Bingle

[2740]

Not Voting [4]:

[/color] MariaR, Something_Smart,

lilith2013

, Datisi [2806]

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to hammer.
Day 2 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-30 01:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 2.2

lilith2013

[4]:

[/color]

Menalque

[2433], Almost50 [2467], PenguinPower [2470],

Blake Belladonna

[2720]

-- [L-2]

[/color]

Something_Smart [2]:

[/color]

skitter30

[2389],

warmpuppy

[2424]

Not Voting [5]:

[/color]

Bingle

, MariaR, Something_Smart,

lilith2013

, Datisi [2585]

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to hammer.
Day 2 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-30 01:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 2.1

lilith2013

[3]:

[/color]

Menalque

[2433], Almost50 [2467], PenguinPower [2470]

Something_Smart [2]:

[/color]

skitter30

[2389],

warmpuppy

[2424]

Not Voting [6]:

[/color]

Bingle

, MariaR, Something_Smart,

lilith2013

,

Blake Belladonna

, Datisi [2585]

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to hammer.
Day 2 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-30 01:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 2.0

Not Voting [11]:

[/color]

Menalque

,

skitter30

,

Bingle

, MariaR, Something_Smart,

lilith2013

, PenguinPower, Almost50,

warmpuppy

,

Blake Belladonna

, Datisi

With

11

alive, it takes

6

to hammer.
Day 2 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-30 01:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 1.FINAL

gobbledygook

[7]

[/color]: Datisi [651],

Pink Ball

[1115], Something_Smart [1676], MariaR [1855],

lilith2013

[2218],

warmpuppy

[2358], Almost50 [2367]

— HAMMER[/color]

Something_Smart [2][/color]

:

gobbledygook

[1704],

Bingle

[1927]

PenguinPower [2]:

[/color]

Blake Belladonna

[2280],

Menalque

[2300]

MariaR [1]:

[/color]

skitter30

[2314]

Not Voting [1]:

[/color] PenguinPower [1840]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 1.41

gobbledygook

[6]

[/color]: Datisi [651],

Pink Ball

[1115], Something_Smart [1676], MariaR [1855],

lilith2013

[2218],

warmpuppy

[2358]

— [L-1][/color]

Something_Smart [2][/color]

:

gobbledygook

[1704],

Bingle

[1927]

PenguinPower [2]:

[/color]

Blake Belladonna

[2280],

Menalque

[2300]

MariaR [2]:

[/color] Almost50 [2174],

skitter30

[2314]

Not Voting [1]:

[/color] PenguinPower [1840]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 1.40

gobbledygook

[5]

[/color]: Datisi [651],

Pink Ball

[1115], Something_Smart [1676], MariaR [1855],

lilith2013

[2218]

— [L-2][/color]

Something_Smart [3][/color]

:

warmpuppy

[1124],

gobbledygook

[1704],

Bingle

[1927]

PenguinPower [2]:

[/color]

Blake Belladonna

[2280],

Menalque

[2300]

MariaR [1]:

[/color] Almost50 [2174]

Pink Ball

[1]:

[/color]

skitter30

[2290]

Not Voting [1]:

[/color] PenguinPower [1840]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 1.39

Something_Smart [5][/color]

:

warmpuppy

[1124],

skitter30

[1664],

gobbledygook

[1704],

Bingle

[1927],

Menalque

[2000]

— [L-2][/color]

gobbledygook

[5]

[/color]: Datisi [651],

Pink Ball

[1115], Something_Smart [1676], MariaR [1855],

lilith2013

[2218]

— [L-2][/color]

lilith2013

[1]:

[/color]

Blake Belladonna

[1345]

MariaR [1]:

[/color] Almost50 [2174]

Not Voting [1]:

[/color] PenguinPower [1840]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 1.38

Something_Smart [5][/color]

:

warmpuppy

[1124],

skitter30

[1664],

gobbledygook

[1704],

Bingle

[1927],

Menalque

[2000]

— [L-2][/color]

gobbledygook

[4]

[/color]: Datisi [651],

Pink Ball

[1115], Something_Smart [1676], MariaR [1855]

lilith2013

[1]:

[/color]

Blake Belladonna

[1345]

warmpuppy

[1]:

[/color]

lilith2013

[2128]

Not Voting [2]:

[/color] Almost50, PenguinPower [1840]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 1.37

gobbledygook

[5]:

[/color] Datisi [651],

Pink Ball

[1115], Something_Smart [1676], MariaR [1855],

lilith2013

[2048]

— [L-2][/color]

Something_Smart [5][/color]

:

warmpuppy

[1124],

skitter30

[1664],

gobbledygook

[1704],

Bingle

[1927],

Menalque

[2000]

— [L-2][/color]

lilith2013

[1]:

[/color]

Blake Belladonna

[1345]

Not Voting [2]:

[/color] Almost50, PenguinPower [1840]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 1.36

gobbledygook

[4]:

[/color] Datisi [651],

Pink Ball

[1115], Something_Smart [1676], MariaR [1855]

Something_Smart [4][/color]

:

warmpuppy

[1124],

skitter30

[1664],

gobbledygook

[1704],

Bingle

[1927]

lilith2013

[1]:

[/color]

Blake Belladonna

[1345]

PenguinPower [1][/color]

:

lilith2013

[103]

Not Voting [3]:

[/color] Almost50,

Menalque

[1755], PenguinPower [1840]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Datisi v/la until Saturday
Almost50 replaces Chemist

VOTE COUNT 1.35

gobbledygook

[4]:

[/color] Datisi [651],

Pink Ball

[1115], Something_Smart [1676], MariaR [1855]

Something_Smart [3][/color]

:

warmpuppy

[1124],

skitter30

[1664],

gobbledygook

[1704]

lilith2013

[1]:

[/color]

Blake Belladonna

[1345]

warmpuppy

[1]:

[/color]

Bingle

[1247]

PenguinPower [1][/color]

:

lilith2013

[103]

Not Voting [3]:

[/color] Almost50,

Menalque

[1755], PenguinPower [1840]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Datisi v/la until Saturday
Almost50 replaces Chemist

Almost50 replaces Chemist1422[/color]

VOTE COUNT 1.34

gobbledygook

[3]:

[/color] Datisi [651],

Pink Ball

[1115], Something_Smart [1676]

Something_Smart [3][/color]

:

warmpuppy

[1124],

skitter30

[1664],

gobbledygook

[1704]

lilith2013

[1]:

[/color]

Blake Belladonna

[1345]

warmpuppy

[1]:

[/color]

Bingle

[1247]

skitter30

[1][/color]

: MariaR [1164]

PenguinPower [1][/color]

:

lilith2013

[103]

Menalque

[1]:

[/color] PenguinPower [1090]

Not Voting [2]:

[/color] Chemist1422,

Menalque

[1755]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Searching for a replacement for Chemist

VOTE COUNT 1.33

gobbledygook

[3]:

[/color] Datisi [651],

Pink Ball

[1115], Something_Smart [1676]

Something_Smart [3][/color]

:

warmpuppy

[1124],

skitter30

[1664],

gobbledygook

[1704]

lilith2013

[1]:

[/color]

Blake Belladonna

[1345]

warmpuppy

[1]:

[/color]

Bingle

[1247]

skitter30

[1][/color]

: MariaR [1164]

PenguinPower [1][/color]

:

lilith2013

[103]

Menalque

[1]:

[/color] PenguinPower [1090]

Not Voting [2]:

[/color] Chemist1422,

Menalque

[1755]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Searching for a replacement for Chemist

VOTE COUNT 1.32

gobbledygook

[3]:

[/color] Datisi [651],

Pink Ball

[1115],

skitter30

[1544]

lilith2013

[2]:

[/color]

Blake Belladonna

[1345],

Menalque

[1351]

warmpuppy

[2]:

[/color]

Bingle

[1247],

gobbledygook

[1574]

Something_Smart [1][/color]

:

warmpuppy

[1124]

skitter30

[1][/color]

: MariaR [1164]

PenguinPower [1][/color]

:

lilith2013

[103]

Menalque

[1]:

[/color] PenguinPower [1090]

Not Voting [2]:

[/color] Something_Smart, Chemist1422

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 1.31

gobbledygook

[3]:

[/color] Datisi [651],

Pink Ball

[1115],

skitter30

[1544]

lilith2013

[2]:

[/color]

Blake Belladonna

[1345],

Menalque

[1351]

warmpuppy

[2]:

[/color]

Bingle

[1247],

gobbledygook

[1574]

Something_Smart [1][/color]

:

warmpuppy

[1124]

skitter30

[1][/color]

: MariaR [1164]

PenguinPower [1][/color]

:

lilith2013

[103]

Menalque

[1]:

[/color] PenguinPower [1090]

Not Voting [2]:

[/color] Something_Smart, Chemist1422

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 1.30

gobbledygook

[3]:

[/color] Datisi [651],

Pink Ball

[1115],

skitter30

[1544]

lilith2013

[2]:

[/color]

Blake Belladonna

[1345],

Menalque

[1351]

Something_Smart [1][/color]

:

warmpuppy

[1124]

skitter30

[1][/color]

: MariaR [1164]

PenguinPower [1][/color]

:

lilith2013

[103]

Menalque

[1]:

[/color] PenguinPower [1090]

warmpuppy

[1]:

[/color]

Bingle

[1247]

Not Voting [3]:

[/color] Something_Smart, Chemist1422,

gobbledygook

[1399]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 1.29

gobbledygook

[2]:

[/color] Datisi [651],

Pink Ball

[1115]

Something_Smart [2][/color]

:

warmpuppy

[1124],

skitter30

[1260]

lilith2013

[2]:

[/color]

Blake Belladonna

[1345],

Menalque

[1351]

skitter30

[1][/color]

: MariaR [1164]

PenguinPower [1][/color]

:

lilith2013

[103]

Menalque

[1]:

[/color] PenguinPower [1090]

warmpuppy

[1]:

[/color]

Bingle

[1247]

Not Voting [3]:

[/color] Something_Smart, Chemist1422,

gobbledygook

[1399]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 1.28

gobbledygook

[2]:

[/color] Datisi [651],

Pink Ball

[1115]

Something_Smart [2][/color]

:

warmpuppy

[1124],

skitter30

[1260]

lilith2013

[2]:

[/color]

Blake Belladonna

[1345],

Menalque

[1351]

skitter30

[1][/color]

: MariaR [1164]

PenguinPower [1][/color]

:

lilith2013

[103]

Menalque

[1]:

[/color] PenguinPower [1090]

warmpuppy

[1]:

[/color]

Bingle

[1247]

Not Voting [3]:

[/color] Something_Smart, Chemist1422,

gobbledygook

[1399]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 1.27

gobbledygook

[3]:

[/color] Datisi [651],

Pink Ball

[1115],

Menalque

[1327]

Something_Smart [2][/color]

:

warmpuppy

[1124],

skitter30

[1260]

skitter30

[1][/color]

: MariaR [1164]

MariaR [1][/color]

:

gobbledygook

[1140]

PenguinPower [1][/color]

:

lilith2013

[103]

Menalque

[1]:

[/color] PenguinPower [1090]

warmpuppy

[1]:

[/color]

Bingle

[1247]

lilith2013

[1]:

[/color]

Blake Belladonna

[1345]

Not Voting [2]:

[/color] Something_Smart, Chemist1422

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 1.26

gobbledygook

[4]:

[/color]

Bingle

[622], Datisi [651],

Menalque

[665],

Pink Ball

[1115]

MariaR [2][/color]

:

gobbledygook

[1140],

skitter30

[1143]

skitter30

[2][/color]

:

Blake Belladonna

[805], MariaR [1164]

Something_Smart [1][/color]

:

warmpuppy

[1124]

PenguinPower [1][/color]

:

lilith2013

[103]

Menalque

[1]:

[/color] PenguinPower [1090]

Not Voting [2]:

[/color] Something_Smart, Chemist1422

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 1.25

gobbledygook

[5]:

[/color]

Bingle

[622], Datisi [651],

Menalque

[665], MariaR [668],

Pink Ball

[1115]

[L-2]

[/color]

MariaR [2][/color]

:

gobbledygook

[1140],

skitter30

[1143]

Something_Smart [1][/color]

:

warmpuppy

[1124]

skitter30

[1][/color]

:

Blake Belladonna

[805]

PenguinPower [1][/color]

:

lilith2013

[103]

Menalque

[1]:

[/color] PenguinPower [1090]

Not Voting [2]:

[/color] Something_Smart, Chemist1422

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 1.24

gobbledygook

[5]:

[/color]

Bingle

[622], Datisi [651],

Menalque

[665], MariaR [668],

Pink Ball

[1115]

[L-2]

[/color]

Something_Smart [3][/color]

:

skitter30

[1030],

gobbledygook

[1044],

warmpuppy

[1124]

skitter30

[1][/color]

:

Blake Belladonna

[805]

PenguinPower [1][/color]

:

lilith2013

[103]

Menalque

[1]:

[/color] PenguinPower [1090]

Not Voting [2]:

[/color] Something_Smart, Chemist1422

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 1.23

gobbledygook

[4]:

[/color]

Bingle

[622], Datisi [651],

Menalque

[665], MariaR [668]

Something_Smart [3][/color]

:

warmpuppy

[705],

skitter30

[1030],

gobbledygook

[1044]

skitter30

[1][/color]

:

Blake Belladonna

[805]

PenguinPower [1][/color]

:

lilith2013

[103]

MariaR [1]:

[/color] PenguinPower [694]

Not Voting [3]:

[/color] Something_Smart, Chemist1422,

Pink Ball

[930]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 1.22

gobbledygook

[4]:

[/color]

Bingle

[622], Datisi [651],

Menalque

[665], MariaR [668]

skitter30

[1][/color]

:

Blake Belladonna

[805]

Something_Smart [1][/color]

:

warmpuppy

[705]

PenguinPower [1][/color]

:

lilith2013

[103]

MariaR [1]:

[/color] PenguinPower [694]

Datisi [1]:

[/color]

gobbledygook

[1017]

Not Voting [4]:

[/color] Something_Smart, Chemist1422,

skitter30

[886],

Pink Ball

[930]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays

VOTE COUNT 1.21

gobbledygook

[4]:

[/color]

Bingle

[622], Datisi [651],

Menalque

[665], MariaR [668]

skitter30

[2][/color]

:

Blake Belladonna

[805],

gobbledygook

[874]

Something_Smart [1][/color]

:

warmpuppy

[705]

PenguinPower [1][/color]

:

lilith2013

[103]

MariaR [1]:

[/color] PenguinPower [694]

Not Voting [4]:

[/color] Something_Smart,

Pink Ball

, Chemist1422,

skitter30

[886]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

VOTE COUNT 1.20

gobbledygook

[4]:

[/color]

Bingle

[622], Datisi [651],

Menalque

[665], MariaR [668]

skitter30

[2][/color]

:

Blake Belladonna

[805],

gobbledygook

[874]

Something_Smart [1][/color]

:

warmpuppy

[705]

PenguinPower [1][/color]

:

lilith2013

[103]

MariaR [1]:

[/color] PenguinPower [694]

Not Voting [4]:

[/color] Something_Smart,

Pink Ball

, Chemist1422,

skitter30

[886]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

VOTE COUNT 1.19

gobbledygook

[4]:

[/color]

Bingle

[622], Datisi [651],

Menalque

[665], MariaR [668]

Something_Smart [2][/color]

:

warmpuppy

[705],

skitter30

[814]

PenguinPower [1][/color]

:

lilith2013

[103]

Bingle

[1][/color]

:

gobbledygook

[552]

MariaR [1]:

[/color] PenguinPower [694]

skitter30

[1][/color]

:

Blake Belladonna

[805]

Not Voting [3]:

[/color] Something_Smart,

Pink Ball

, Chemist1422

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

VOTE COUNT 1.18

gobbledygook

[4]:

[/color]

Bingle

[622], Datisi [651],

Menalque

[665], MariaR [668]

Something_Smart [2][/color]

:

warmpuppy

[705],

skitter30

[736]

PenguinPower [1][/color]

:

lilith2013

[103]

Bingle

[1][/color]

:

gobbledygook

[552]

MariaR [1]:

[/color] PenguinPower [694]

Not Voting [4]:

[/color] Something_Smart,

Pink Ball

, Chemist1422,

Blake Belladonna

[756]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

VOTE COUNT 1.17

gobbledygook

[4]:

[/color]

Bingle

[622], Datisi [651],

Menalque

[665], MariaR [668]

PenguinPower [2][/color]

:

Blake Belladonna

[69],

lilith2013

[103]

Something_Smart [2][/color]

:

warmpuppy

[705],

skitter30

[736]

Bingle

[1][/color]

:

gobbledygook

[552]

MariaR [1]:

[/color] PenguinPower [694]

Not Voting [3]:

[/color] Something_Smart,

Pink Ball

, Chemist1422

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

VOTE COUNT 1.16

gobbledygook

[4]:

[/color]

Bingle

[622], Datisi [651],

Menalque

[665], MariaR [668]

Bingle

[2][/color]

:

warmpuppy

[369],

gobbledygook

[552]

PenguinPower [2][/color]

:

Blake Belladonna

[69],

lilith2013

[103]

MariaR [2]:

[/color]

skitter30

[476], PenguinPower [694]

Not Voting [3]:

[/color] Something_Smart,

Pink Ball

, Chemist1422

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

VOTE COUNT 1.15

gobbledygook

[5]:

[/color]

Bingle

[622], Datisi [651], PenguinPower [653],

Menalque

[665], MariaR [668]

[L-2]

[/color]

Bingle

[2][/color]

:

warmpuppy

[369],

gobbledygook

[552]

PenguinPower [2][/color]

:

Blake Belladonna

[69],

lilith2013

[103]

MariaR [1]:

[/color]

skitter30

[476]

Not Voting [3]:

[/color] Something_Smart,

Pink Ball

, Chemist1422

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

VOTE COUNT 1.14

Bingle

[3][/color]

:

Menalque

[120],

warmpuppy

[369],

gobbledygook

[552]

PenguinPower [2][/color]

:

Blake Belladonna

[69],

lilith2013

[103]

Menalque

[1]:

[/color] Datisi [18]

MariaR [1]:

[/color]

skitter30

[476]

skitter30

[1]:

[/color] MariaR [592]

gobbledygook

[1]:

[/color]

Bingle

[622]

Not Voting [4]:

[/color] Something_Smart,

Pink Ball

, Chemist1422, PenguinPower [459]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

VOTE COUNT 1.13

Bingle

[3][/color]

:

Menalque

[120],

warmpuppy

[369],

gobbledygook

[552]

Menalque

[2]:

[/color] Datisi [18],

Bingle

[183]

PenguinPower [2][/color]

:

Blake Belladonna

[69],

lilith2013

[103]

MariaR [1]:

[/color]

skitter30

[476]

gobbledygook

[1]:

[/color] MariaR [521]

Not Voting [4]:

[/color] Something_Smart,

Pink Ball

, Chemist1422, PenguinPower [459]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

VOTE COUNT 1.12

Bingle

[3][/color]

:

Menalque

[120],

gobbledygook

[124],

warmpuppy

[369]

Menalque

[2]:

[/color] Datisi [18],

Bingle

[183]

PenguinPower [2][/color]

:

Blake Belladonna

[69],

lilith2013

[103]

MariaR [1]:

[/color]

skitter30

[476]

gobbledygook

[1]:

[/color] MariaR [521]

Not Voting [4]:

[/color] Something_Smart,

Pink Ball

, Chemist1422, PenguinPower [459]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

VOTE COUNT 1.11

Bingle

[4][/color]

:

Menalque

[120], PenguinPower [123],

gobbledygook

[124],

warmpuppy

[369]

Menalque

[3]:

[/color]

skitter30

[10], Datisi [18],

Bingle

[183]

PenguinPower [3][/color]

:

Blake Belladonna

[69],

lilith2013

[103], MariaR [423]

Not Voting [3]:

[/color] Something_Smart,

Pink Ball

, Chemist1422

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

VOTE COUNT 1.10

Bingle

[4][/color]

:

Menalque

[120], PenguinPower [123],

gobbledygook

[124],

warmpuppy

[369]

Menalque

[3]:

[/color]

skitter30

[10], Datisi [18],

Bingle

[183]

PenguinPower [2][/color]

:

Blake Belladonna

[69],

lilith2013

[103]

warmpuppy

[1][/color]

: MariaR [399]

Not Voting [3]:

[/color] Something_Smart,

Pink Ball

, Chemist1422

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

VOTE COUNT 1.9

Bingle

[5][/color]

:

Menalque

[120], PenguinPower [123],

gobbledygook

[124], MariaR [159],

warmpuppy

[369]

[L-2][/color]

Menalque

[3]:

[/color]

skitter30

[10], Datisi [18],

Bingle

[183]

PenguinPower [2][/color]

:

Blake Belladonna

[69],

lilith2013

[103]

Not Voting [3]:

[/color] Something_Smart,

Pink Ball

, Chemist1422

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

VOTE COUNT 1.8

Bingle

[4][/color]

:

Menalque

[120], PenguinPower [123],

gobbledygook

[124], MariaR [159]

Menalque

[3]:

[/color]

skitter30

[10], Datisi [18],

Bingle

[183]

PenguinPower [2][/color]

:

Blake Belladonna

[69],

lilith2013

[103]

Pink Ball

[1]:

[/color]

warmpuppy

[197]

Not Voting [3]:

[/color] Something_Smart,

Pink Ball

, Chemist1422

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

VOTE COUNT 1.7

Bingle

[4][/color]

:

Menalque

[120], PenguinPower [123],

gobbledygook

[124], MariaR [159]

Menalque

[3]:

[/color]

skitter30

[10], Datisi [18],

Bingle

[183]

PenguinPower [2][/color]

:

Blake Belladonna

[69],

lilith2013

[103]

Pink Ball

[1]:

[/color]

warmpuppy

[197]

Not Voting [3]:

[/color] Something_Smart,

Pink Ball

, Chemist1422

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

VOTE COUNT 1.6

Bingle

[4][/color]

:

Menalque

[120], PenguinPower [123],

gobbledygook

[124], MariaR [159]

Menalque

[3]:

[/color]

skitter30

[10], Datisi [18],

Bingle

[183]

PenguinPower [2][/color]

:

Blake Belladonna

[69],

lilith2013

[103]

Pink Ball

[1]:

[/color]

warmpuppy

[197]

Not Voting [3]:

[/color] Something_Smart,

Pink Ball

, Chemist1422

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

VOTE COUNT 1.5

Bingle

[4][/color]

:

Menalque

[120], PenguinPower [123],

gobbledygook

[124], MariaR [159]

Menalque

[3]:

[/color]

skitter30

[10], Datisi [18],

Bingle

[183]

PenguinPower [2][/color]

:

Blake Belladonna

[69],

lilith2013

[103]

Pink Ball

[1]:

[/color]

warmpuppy

[197]

Not Voting [3]:

[/color] Something_Smart,

Pink Ball

, Chemist1422

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

I say we give

Bingle

a few days of being alive despite his red role PM

Also,

if we get unanimous agreement could we theoretically maybe lower the deadline to 10 days?

Yes, if I receive a PM from everyone, then I will lower it to 10 days.

Please don’t feel obligated to use all 14 days however. [/color]

VOTE COUNT 1.4

Bingle

[3][/color]

:

Menalque

[120], PenguinPower [123],

gobbledygook

[124]

Menalque

[2]:

[/color]

skitter30

[10], Datisi [18]

PenguinPower [2][/color]

:

Blake Belladonna

[69],

lilith2013

[103]

Datisi [1]:

[/color]

warmpuppy

[8]

Not Voting [5]:

[/color]

Bingle

, MariaR, Something_Smart,

Pink Ball

, Chemist1422

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

VOTE COUNT 1.3

Menalque

[4]:

[/color]

gobbledygook

[7],

skitter30

[10], Datisi [18], PenguinPower [64]

Datisi [1]:

[/color]

warmpuppy

[8]

PenguinPower [1][/color]

:

Blake Belladonna

[69]

Not Voting [7]:

[/color]

Bingle

, MariaR, Something_Smart,

lilith2013

,

Pink Ball

, Chemist1422,

Menalque

[85]

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

VOTE COUNT 1.2

Menalque

[3]:

[/color]

gobbledygook

[7],

skitter30

[10], Datisi [18]

Datisi [2]:

[/color]

Menalque

[6],

warmpuppy

[8]

Not Voting [8]:

[/color]

Bingle

, MariaR, Something_Smart,

lilith2013

,

Pink Ball

, PenguinPower, Chemist1422,

Blake Belladonna

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

VOTE COUNT 1.1

Menalque

[3]:

[/color]

gobbledygook

[7],

skitter30

[10], Datisi [18]

Datisi [2]:

[/color]

Menalque

[6],

warmpuppy

[8]

Not Voting [8]:

[/color]

Bingle

, MariaR, Something_Smart,

lilith2013

,

Pink Ball

, PenguinPower, Chemist1422,

Blake Belladonna

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2020-06-19 09:30:00)

Game Notes:[/color]

skitter30

regular v/la Fridays and Saturdays
Something_Smart v/la until Monday

[Bingle]

Oh, no. That's the color for the second scumteam. I thought this was the werewolf PT.

[Bingle]

hopes f3 isn’t Bingle/A50/PP

It's okay, if that's the F3 I'll convince A50 to mislynch you this time so that everything is equal.

[Bingle]

It will be a travesty if skitt and I both finally rolled town and PRs and we didn’t end up getting horrendously paranoid of each other and we still don’t win

If this happens I reserve the right to blame skitter for shooting PB.

I've never lost a town game where I mislynched PB. He's my lucky charm.

[Bingle]

I don't see a world in which I ever vote SS or A50 this game.

I don't want to live in a world where I'm not scum and lynch PP, and unfortunately I don't live in a world where I am scum and get to lynch PP in 3p LYLO.

I think that means the correct play here is wait for any people who haven't claimed PR/notPR, lynch Dats -> Maria -> BirdmasterP reevaluating on additional PR information as necessary. Drawing it out past all of the PR claims does no one any favors.

[Bingle]

Blake if you happen to be a JK will you commit to being on Maria tonight?

[Bingle]

pedit: this was @blake but bingle's last post is making me question if there is a point to arguing

I don't think there is, tbh.

Like, you're not obvious scum but we're at that point in the game where you just being a possibility for scum is a strong enough reason to lynch you and you ARE a possibility for scum.

[Bingle]

I think Maria is the only one who hasn't confirmed not a PR.

[Bingle]

assuming i flip town, how likely do you think town still is to win?

Very.

We have 3 lynches left in the worst case scenario. If my reads on Monkey/SS are accurate, we're already pretty much autowin. One of Blake/Mena is likely to get a clear tonight. In order for this not to be a townwin, someone has to have played a phenomenal scumgame fmpov.

[Bingle]

I'm not voting til maria gets back though.

[Bingle]

Does that not seem odd to anyone else?

Yes.

But SS being wagoned concurrently with a partner and then not jumping onto the cw and A50 being scum just make much less sense.




Also, my contribution to this game is remembering to make sure MariaR was cleared, so she's now contractually obliged to carry me.

[Bingle]

I hope so?

I'm willing to listen to alternative arguments though.

[Bingle]

I think /think/ I’m okay with bingle winning if he didn’t use a role N2 and got fb to make the kill /just in case he was being tracked/

I would still like to attempt VCA with him though

There is no world in which JOAT me both didn't roleblock the claimed vig who suspected me AND didn't strongman the claimed vig when there was already a missed kill.

[Bingle]

Actually, that VCA kinda looks bad for monkeyman.

[Bingle]

If A50 scum:

Bingle

[4]:

Menalque

,

PenguinPower

,

gobbledygook

,

Firebringer

,

Menalque

[3]:

skitter30

,

Datisi

,

Bingle

,

PenguinPower

[3]:

Blake Belladonna

,

lilith2013

,

MariaR

,

Not Voting [3]:

Something_Smart

,

Pink Ball

,

Almost50

,
-------------------------------------

gobbledygook

[5]:

Bingle

,

Datisi

,

PenguinPower

,

Menalque

,

MariaR

, [L-2]

Bingle

[2]:

Firebringer

,

gobbledygook

,

PenguinPower

[2]:

Blake Belladonna

,

lilith2013

,

MariaR

[1]:

skitter30

,

Not Voting [3]:

Something_Smart

,

Pink Ball

,

Almost50

,
-------------------------------------

gobbledygook

[4]:

Bingle

,

Datisi

,

Menalque

,

Pink Ball

,

MariaR

[2]:

gobbledygook

,

skitter30

,

skitter30

[2]:

Blake Belladonna

,

MariaR

,

Something_Smart

[1]:

Firebringer

,

PenguinPower

[1]:

lilith2013

,

Menalque

[1]:

PenguinPower

,

Not Voting [2]:

Something_Smart

,

Almost50

,
-------------------------------------

gobbledygook

[7]:

Datisi

,

Pink Ball

,

Something_Smart

,

MariaR

,

lilith2013

,

Firebringer

,

Almost50

, — HAMMER

Something_Smart

[2]:

gobbledygook

,

Bingle

,

PenguinPower

[2]:

Blake Belladonna

,

Menalque

,

MariaR

[1]:

skitter30

,

Not Voting [1]:

PenguinPower

,
-------------------------------------

lilith2013

[4]:

Menalque

,

Almost50

,

PenguinPower

,

Blake Belladonna

, -- [L-2]

Something_Smart

[2]:

skitter30

,

Firebringer

,

Not Voting [5]:

Bingle

,

MariaR

,

Something_Smart

,

lilith2013

,

Datisi

,
-------------------------------------

lilith2013

[4]:

Menalque

,

Almost50

,

PenguinPower

,

Blake Belladonna

, -- [L-2]

Something_Smart

[3]:

skitter30

,

Firebringer

,

Bingle

,

Not Voting [4]:

MariaR

,

Something_Smart

,

lilith2013

,

Datisi

,
-------------------------------------

MariaR

[3]:

skitter30

,

Almost50

,

Datisi

,

lilith2013

[2]:

MariaR

,

PenguinPower

,

Something_Smart

[2]:

Firebringer

,

Bingle

,

Firebringer

[1]:

Blake Belladonna

,

Not Voting [3]:

Something_Smart

,

lilith2013

,

Menalque

,
-------------------------------------

MariaR

[4]:

skitter30

,

Almost50

,

Datisi

,

Menalque

, -- [L-2]

lilith2013

[2]:

MariaR

,

PenguinPower

,

Something_Smart

[2]:

Firebringer

,

Bingle

,

Firebringer

[1]:

Blake Belladonna

,

Blake Belladonna

[1]:

lilith2013

,

Not Voting [1]:

Something_Smart

,
-------------------------------------

lilith2013

[5]:

PenguinPower

,

Blake Belladonna

,

MariaR

,

Almost50

,

skitter30

, — [L-1]

MariaR

[2]:

Datisi

,

Menalque

,

Something_Smart

[1]:

Firebringer

,

Blake Belladonna

[1]:

lilith2013

,

Not Voting [2]:

Something_Smart

,

Bingle

,
-------------------------------------

lilith2013

[6]:

PenguinPower

,

MariaR

,

Almost50

,

Bingle

,

Firebringer

,

Menalque

, — HAMMER

MariaR

[1]:

Datisi

,

Blake Belladonna

[1]:

lilith2013

,

Firebringer

[1]:

Blake Belladonna

,

Not Voting [2]:

Something_Smart

,

skitter30

,
-------------------------------------

[Bingle]

If A50 scum:

Bingle

[4]:

Menalque

,

PenguinPower

,

gobbledygook

,

Firebringer

,

Menalque

[3]:

skitter30

,

Datisi

,

Bingle

,

PenguinPower

[3]:

Blake Belladonna

,

lilith2013

,

MariaR

,

Not Voting [3]:

Something_Smart

,

Pink Ball

,

Almost50

,
-------------------------------------

gobbledygook

[5]:

Bingle

,

Datisi

,

PenguinPower

,

Menalque

,

MariaR

, [L-2]

Bingle

[2]:

Firebringer

,

gobbledygook

,

PenguinPower

[2]:

Blake Belladonna

,

lilith2013

,

MariaR

[1]:

skitter30

,

Not Voting [3]:

Something_Smart

,

Pink Ball

,

Almost50

,
-------------------------------------

gobbledygook

[4]:

Bingle

,

Datisi

,

Menalque

,

Pink Ball

,

MariaR

[2]:

gobbledygook

,

skitter30

,

skitter30

[2]:

Blake Belladonna

,

MariaR

,

Something_Smart

[1]:

Firebringer

,

PenguinPower

[1]:

lilith2013

,

Menalque

[1]:

PenguinPower

,

Not Voting [2]:

Something_Smart

,

Almost50

,
-------------------------------------

gobbledygook

[7]:

Datisi

,

Pink Ball

,

Something_Smart

,

MariaR

,

lilith2013

,

Firebringer

,

Almost50

, — HAMMER

Something_Smart

[2]:

gobbledygook

,

Bingle

,

PenguinPower

[2]:

Blake Belladonna

,

Menalque

,

MariaR

[1]:

skitter30

,

Not Voting [1]:

PenguinPower

,
-------------------------------------

lilith2013

[4]:

Menalque

,

Almost50

,

PenguinPower

,

Blake Belladonna

, -- [L-2]

Something_Smart

[2]:

skitter30

,

Firebringer

,

Not Voting [5]:

Bingle

,

MariaR

,

Something_Smart

,

lilith2013

,

Datisi

,
-------------------------------------

lilith2013

[4]:

Menalque

,

Almost50

,

PenguinPower

,

Blake Belladonna

, -- [L-2]

Something_Smart

[3]:

skitter30

,

Firebringer

,

Bingle

,

Not Voting [4]:

MariaR

,

Something_Smart

,

lilith2013

,

Datisi

,
-------------------------------------

MariaR

[3]:

skitter30

,

Almost50

,

Datisi

,

lilith2013

[2]:

MariaR

,

PenguinPower

,

Something_Smart

[2]:

Firebringer

,

Bingle

,

Firebringer

[1]:

Blake Belladonna

,

Not Voting [3]:

Something_Smart

,

lilith2013

,

Menalque

,
-------------------------------------

MariaR

[4]:

skitter30

,

Almost50

,

Datisi

,

Menalque

, -- [L-2]

lilith2013

[2]:

MariaR

,

PenguinPower

,

Something_Smart

[2]:

Firebringer

,

Bingle

,

Firebringer

[1]:

Blake Belladonna

,

Blake Belladonna

[1]:

lilith2013

,

Not Voting [1]:

Something_Smart

,
-------------------------------------

lilith2013

[5]:

PenguinPower

,

Blake Belladonna

,

MariaR

,

Almost50

,

skitter30

, — [L-1]

MariaR

[2]:

Datisi

,

Menalque

,

Something_Smart

[1]:

Firebringer

,

Blake Belladonna

[1]:

lilith2013

,

Not Voting [2]:

Something_Smart

,

Bingle

,
-------------------------------------

lilith2013

[6]:

PenguinPower

,

MariaR

,

Almost50

,

Bingle

,

Firebringer

,

Menalque

, — HAMMER

MariaR

[1]:

Datisi

,

Blake Belladonna

[1]:

lilith2013

,

Firebringer

[1]:

Blake Belladonna

,

Not Voting [2]:

Something_Smart

,

skitter30

,
-------------------------------------

[Bingle]

Bingle, recap me again on why S_S can’t be scum

If SS is scum, he was run up simultaneously with one of his scumbuddies, was softbussed by the other scumbuddy as the sole scum PR, and none of the scumteam voted MariaR when she cropped up as the alternative to two scum lynches.

[Bingle]

Also there a thing a long time ago where SS seemed to be trying to derail the gobbles lynch onto Firebringer that I thought might make them not scum together.

[Bingle]

like they see their partners are doing x, so they throw shade on the people not doing x to validate what their partners are doing, if that makes sense

Yeah, that's kinda what I thought you were getting at.

Softdefending gobbles and simultaneously casting shade at the other people soft defending gobbles to hedge his bets against the wagon shifting to a scumbuddy. I think the inverse conclusion (SS is not scum with Skitter/FB/I think there was one more person doing that) is more reliable, though.

[Bingle]

@Menalque: JFTR, PP doesn't block you and shoot BB here, and especially not when you have announced being on him. Instead, PP would hust stay put and holster, thus implicating Maria. The RB on you was done precisely to prevent a hrd clear on PP when somebody does die.

This is objectively wrong, A50.

Holstering gets maria lynched, sure, but it also gives us an additional mislynch. And there's still a clear on whatever night Blake and Mena both act.

[Bingle]

There is no world where I would take your argument here seriously. You knew skitter wasn't going to shoot YOU. Even if you expected her to shoot FB he was a burden AND he was not afraid of hopping on your wagon at anytime, so you knew his vote (your own partner's vote) couldn't be relied on. You sent FB to shoot skitter as he was going to be your bus target next if he wasn't shot at that night anyway. You knew Menalque was Tracker and deliberately played obtuse assuming he might be JK, but that was ALSO a mistake, because you TMI'd (and I know nobody else would see it my way) in expressing knowledge we had a JK AND a TRACKER. How do you know we had a JK? THAT is wjere the N1 Scum N1 went. It was blocked. I don't even remember if BB crumbed her targets, so I may go reread her ISO, but you KNEW we had a JK in-play is my point.

:thorface:

The argument here is that on N2, I had a hard tracker read on Mena, had a soul read that a kill would go through on skitter despite a missing kill the night before, and knew skitter wouldn't vig me after:

{a50}
{mena}
{ss}
{dats, blake}
{pp}
{lilith} - idk/null
{mariar, fire, bingle}

i'd want someone in the last tier vigged, and there's absolutely scum in my townreads, i think

I'm good, monkey. I can't see the future.

[Bingle]

I’m genuinely so annoyed I had to be cleared this game. Although I’m not surprised just disappointed.

How do you think I feel?

[Bingle]

I promise to not lynch Bingle tomorrow.

Does anyone I stand a legitimate chance of convincing I'm not an omnipotent genius want me to bother defending myself here?

[Bingle]

Again, I would never risk both the vig who suspected me and my remaining partner and the protection netting town another lynch. I would always have used a role to be able to stop one of those, and I provably didn't use either.

A50 is doing spectacular mental gymnastics to make it seem like that's not the case, but all of that is based on me having information I couldn't have had. I can't believe that I'm legitimately being considered here.