Micro 944: A Normal Blitz III - Game Over

[humaneatingmonkey]

inutile is datisi probably?
im not surprised if some of the players here are actually mains of the alts that we played with.

HG, I'm town again. But you'll discover that soon enough.

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also HG, how would you feel if I tell you not you're not a donkey — but a pony?

and pony rhymes with phony.

VOTE: HoldenGolden

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i already miss hiraki, shiki, and madoka... whose playstyles i've been endeared to.

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looks like nonsense to me, tbh

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are you madoka?

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why are you claiming? are you hectic?

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additionally it is relevant to what i am saying about holdengolden's posts.

how?

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Town again like the last three games we've played where you been scum?

must be another slip. you should scumread me.

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so you're endeared to bugspray, you analyze post-by-post, you claim earlier than you need to, and you see patterns out of thin air.

are you a hydra of datisi, madoka, hectic, and shiki?

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shiki

hi shiki i missed you! i'm glad you're playing with us.

if you saw this pattern, why out it now instead of later when you've established a stronger case outside of RVS? i think you ruined its capability to be a strong case.

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VOTE: po x7

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please no more of this. two is plenty. the crusade references are enough on their own.

I'm spreading Holocaust awareness.

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dont like his posts

why

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buddy me, please. i'm soft.

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fishing for PRs now, are we, Exemplar?

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inutile, if you're really shiki, say something nice to me that would make me swoon.

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inutile, was your VT claim in jest?

it doesn't work Exemplar, because I haven't been fishing for PRs like you do.

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so you scumread me, HG? commit to it.

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COMMIT TO YOUR SCUMREAD OF MEEEEE

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okay so are you 100% sure that I'm scum and there's no need to sort me otherwise? because you haven't been trying to sort me while indicating here that you've been seriously voting me all this time.

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hahaha i think you rolled scum this time, HG

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this is a funny anecdote to me now and i don't know how many people actually read the mafia pt, but at one point monkey said something along the lines of 'uh i was just looking at your games and i think you ask questions as town' and i was like, hm, this is true, i should probably ask some questions and then proceeded to do so. you carried me on the field and off.

you're not shiki.

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my disappointment is deep and immeasurable.

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So you don't scumread me?

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how do you read me, HG?

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i'm one of your biggest threats here if I'm scum. why are you not interested in grilling me?

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•If monkey and Holden are both scum, I expect them to dominate discussion for the next few pages.

we've already been dominating discussion in this game. what are you talking about, and why does it have to be the next few pages?

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Wouldn't that imply there is something you posted that warrants grilling you?

any post can be grilled if you're paranoid town.

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Like I get thinking outloud, but now the point is covered in WIFOM.

why is it in your interest that an SvS read on you is WIFOM'd?

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ALL ABOARD THE HOLDENGOLDEN WAGON, FOLKS.

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WAGON THIS P(H)ONY.

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@Exemplar put your vote where your mouth is. surely, if we're SvS, voting here is in your best interest!

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VOTE: HoldenGolden

sorry i haven't been paying attention

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Why do you think I am forced to just be paranoid towards you over your two victories as scum?

you're not paranoid town?

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what's TVs?

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Town is always paranoid.

Wagon this phony.

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Porkens, put your vote where your pig mouth is.

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inutile, put your vote where your impersonating mouth is.

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trust me, im good at catching scum early. its my best quality as a mafia player

proveeeet

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this wagon is now a lynch [HEM, gobbledygook, Porkens, inutile, bugspray] based on intention to vote. if the people who were saying stuff about HG being possible scum aren't here and still in their RVS mode, scum is in this wagon.

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oh wait wrong wagon count. it's just [HEM, Porkens, inutile, bugspray]. L-1.

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you've been alluding HG as scum and making a ruckus about it, and now you don't have the intention to vote?
scum is in this wagon if they don't vote because they've been blowing smokes with no intention to commit to their reads.

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i am scumreading you based on the things you've posted, and I'm still finding the reasons why. meanwhile this wagon should get strated.

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i currently have a scumread on holdengolden. it is the strongest read i have so far. if that is what you are interpreting as intention to vote, then yes, i have 'intention to vote'. if you are saying that i should do so now and we should immediately lynch holdengolden otherwise i am mafia i have a hard time believing that is a town thought process.

who said i wanted to immediately lynch him? i said wagon.

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Spoiler:

Why is everyone flooding the thread with posts? Scum trying to make it harder for me to catch up?

is this a joke? a very strange complaint to make this early in a blitz game. seems like busywork (something to post to look busy)

Oh I’m going to role play too. I am Gerald of tibia, who is a contract for me?


A real TVs vote is when you pretend to randomly vote for someone to blend in with the herd.
A fake TVs vote is when you pretend to randomly vote for someone strategically to encourage future conditions.

Generally you care more about the second but pretend to care more about the first.

Huah?

And instead of casting a TVs vote, you decided to talk about NAI theory. Safe play, scum.

i already miss hiraki, shiki, and madoka... whose playstyles i've been endeared to.

what do you make of the coincidence i pointed out with regards to holdengolden's posting pattern?

You're very interested in prodding people on a NAI issue. Filling the thread with distractions?

attacking people for pointing out behaviour that he deems to be NAI, there is no active scumhunting here, rather he is DISCOURAGING scumhunting from taking place

Are you trying to make us all uneasy, monkey? Setting a demoralising tone?

this is criticism for tone, he doesn't say its scummy, just that monkey is "demoralising". this is shade, and not from a town perspective

any scum caught yet

Yeah, you. Any last words?

this is an interesting interaction, what i think is that he trained on me as a possible easy mark, notice how he doesnt vote me until after monkey does in the next post

VOTE: po x7

VOTE: popo x3 +1

he was fishing and once monkey voted me he figured he could hop on to and try and push an easy mislynch, but im not that easy unfortunately

Fishing for PRs now, are we, Holden?

even bringing this up early on is scummy, and thats not what holden was doing

Why am I FoSed, HoldenGolden?

overly defensive here, another scum sign

exemplar is obv scum

trust me, im good at catching scum early. its my best quality as a mafia player

Yikes.

more defensiveness here, but this is more dismissive, designed to belittle me and prevent town members from taking me seriously. disingenuous reaction at best.

So po×6+1, should I assume your "best skill" at mafia is actually pretty bad, or that you're scum?

rounding it off with a joke/insult post, as if to say he doesn't sweat my accusations, when he clearly does.

yea im happy with my vote

i like this and this should be the second wagon next to HoldenGolden

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i assumed that you making this post and encouraging those not on the wagon to vote when the wagon is at L-2 was an attempt to get him lynched. it's actually pretty difficult for me to see it any other way.

okay then stop looking it that way and instead look at it as me saying i want to wagon him. why are you not voting him?

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Exemplar, did your scumread of popo change?

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yes and how he didn't see the scum motivation on it as OMGUS and instead dismisses it as a tunnel which implies town.

I can see HG + Exemplar and I'm down to lynch both today.

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I thought his case was genuine enough, but if he's not seeing his fault and actually declaring me caught scum in page 8 after my response, he might just be scum.

oh then why vote Porkens and now build a wagon on popo?

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*not

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i was trying to determine how reasonable my scumread due to past experience of both believing too strongly and not strongly enough in reads that felt very similar to me based on feedback and further interactions and now i see no need to put holdengolden at L-1 right now. do you simply want him to claim?

no i simply want to wagon him. which your vote should be contributing in.

go vote HG.

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no i simply want to wagon him. which your vote should be contributing in.

go vote HG.

so you want me to vote holdengolden to L-1 in order to simply say there was a wagon? but you don't want him to claim at that point?

Claims only happen when there's intent to hammer. I want a wagon to force spotlight on two candidates and watch how people interact with it.

WHY are you still not voting HG?

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because i don't want to put him to L-1 as i don't want him to claim right now and i also don't want him to be lynched right now, which i've already more or less spelled out.

is he at L-1? is there intent to hammer? are we in a gamestate where a lynch would realistically happen? why are you so soft on your scumread? are you really scumreading him?

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he is at L-2. my vote would put him to L-1, at which point it would not be unreasonable for him to claim and it is also possible he would be lynched. i am 'soft' on my scumread to the extent that my putting additional pressure on him in the form of my vote seems more a net negative than a net positive at this point in the game. why is my vote necessary? what purpose does it serve for you?

okay. this makes sense. although claims only happen at intent to hammer, not at L-1 automatically. I've seen countless of L-1s where a claim wasn't necessary because it's understood that a hammer is bad for both town and scum. But whatever. i haven't been paying attention in the VCs. i want a wagon to form and your vote is necessary. it serves me the purpose of putting a fire in HG's ass and seeing who among those who scumread HG means it. your absent of voting when you should have been the first one to vote give me a story that you don't have real reads.

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i have to do some domestic chores so why dont you Americans go to bed while i clean up the sink

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How are you reading popo right now?

I'm more excited in his wagon against you

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? there were two votes on holdengolden while i was actively interacting with him to further my read. your approach here still feels off to me.

off as in scum? commit to your reads.

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You think his case has merit?

i read it and i think it's a good start

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off as in a bad angle. like it doesn't make sense to me and could come from scum but it doesn't necessarily make sense for scum to be pushing me to vote like this either.

do you think HG is scum?

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so if you think HG is scum, and I'm 'off' why isn't it still in your best interest to lynch scum?

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if i unvote, and you vote HG, I will vote Exemplar, and HG will be in quasi-L-1 while putting pressure on Exemplar as well. This sounds like a good deal.

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UNVOTE:

you say i will orchestrate a hammer, but that involves someone else putting HG at L-1 and you think nothing of that person?

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why are your stances standing out to me as somewhat fake?

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VOTE: Exemplary

they would, most likely, be the person you orchestrated the hammer with. regardless, it is more on you than it is on them. your second strongest scumread, that you plan on pressuring, has expressed potential issues with his own vote. this leave him open to possibly moving here as well. anyway, there you go.

you've played with me before, do you think this is a likely scenario in scum!Monkey? Why is it more on me than on them, if they themselves put them at L-1?

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as in, why are they standing out to you as somewhat fake? what about them is giving you that impression?

feel.

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you seem to think HoldenGolden will flip town

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your assumption that i would automatically be scummy if i hammer HoldenGolden seems to imply HoldenGolden will flip town if I hammer.

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why would i, as scum, quickhammer my supposed scum buddy, based on your reads? why is my scumminess lessened greatly if holdengolden flips town?

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i think the obvious subtext in your line of though right now is you seem to think holdengolden flips town, when he's your strongest read.

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so you think HG and I are TvS or TvT only?

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HG rolled scum this game guys. Trust me.

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I can do both, HG. I'm scumreading you and you're reacting, aren't you?

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It's mostly intuition that I'm still trying to articulate.

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I'm not under pressure and I like Exemplary's wagon and we already have the Porkens counterwagon. So maybe later. Meanwhile, I have my eye on you because I don't think a 1-on-1 is productive right now.

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Do you scumread me, HG?

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Do you townread Exemplary and Porkens, HG?

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I don't really care whether you are very productive on your end. I don't think I'm going to be productive just picking what say apart. I'm probably gonna have a lot of false positives. Meanwhile, I like watching you interact with everything else. I don't want to take attention away from Exemplar and Porkens.

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I don't think I'm going to be productive just picking what say apart.

EBWOP what you say apart. I like to add that you've shown to be eloquent and your words are not how I'm gonna collect information about you.

I think I'm going to be a lot more productive leaning back and watching everything that happens.

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Part of the answer on why I have an intuition that you are scum this time is that you seem different, but not on a playstyle basis, but on a personality/mood basis. You seem to be grilling me now not because of your scumread on me, but because I'm scumreading you. This is not what I remember you do. I don't believe you really find me scummy, since now you want to let me go, and you have scumreads on both Exemplar and Porkens.

Maybe.

I'm really not sure what my intuition is of you, but this is what I can tell you now.

Porkens is making himself very hard to read and I appreciate the wagon on him.

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ISO Exemplar for me, HG.

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Maybe I'm wrong. If you're town, you won't trust my reads until you agree with them.

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EBWOP: you shouldn't

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death tunnel

do i really look like I'm deathtunneling right now?

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I'm voting Exemplar right now, ain't I? I agree with the Exemplar wagon and I want to see it happen. I don't want Porkens to be lynched, but I appreciate the wagon.

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Okay. Well that metaread is wrong because I'm town, and I've done this lots in the past. Check Winter Wonderland and Nightless Vanilla in my wiki. I deathtunneled Sephiroth, and almost everyone at Nightless Vanilla.

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Porkens is just very hard to read. Examp and HG is compatible. No other scumreads thus far. Townread on you, popo, and townlean on inutile.

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is traitor even normal

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i still want to lynch Exemplar/Ame regardless of the tracker claim, but it's a net negative. we potentially caught scum, which would produce either a fake guilty or a confirmed slot tomorrow. i wouldn't trust the guilty, but it's still good information for after he flips. if we lynch him tomorrow instead, it could be better.

gook is effectively an investigative if he's a weak hider, but him claiming now? idk. i would have claimed that earlier.

can someone explain to me why porkens is scummy?

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maybe gook should hide under Ame instead?

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gook hiding under Ame would kill him if Ame is scum. but if gook is fakeclaiming and said he hid under Ame, a scum buddy, they control the lynch for one day and there's no way to disprove it otherwise.

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Killing both PRs in the same night. hehe

i see

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i should probably go case HG now but I'm really too lazy to do that. imma get there soon.

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i thought hider means reverse bodyguard where the one who hid survives even if the other dies

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i literally have no read on Porkens, and Porkens hasn't made himself very readable. that's why a wagon is necessary so spotlights is under him.

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i'm not checking the VC and I'm still under the impression that he was the counterwagon. i just woke up.

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Because I found you and HG to be scum instead.
I also want gobbles to hit scum instead.
You are assigning a lot of motivation to my post that I did not say even though I've already said what I have to say about it, and mostly it's because you're scum.
Why would you think I'm content to make him unreadable if I supported him as a counterwagon?
Whatever.

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What gives you the impression people are voting him because they find him scummy?

Oh then why are they voting him and not bugspray and other players that are still unreadable? isn't it just because they found Porkens to be scummy?
shut your leading mouth

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more shading, i see

1.) “

I want to wagon him

, but don’t want to lynch him” - Not even what I said. I appreciate a wagon on him, and I can see why that's pro-town, but I don't scumread this slot so my vote belongs elsewhere.
2.) "Why do people find porkens scummy?" - attempt at analyzing the slot by reading interactions
3.) Against Gobbles targeting him - NOT against anything, just think we have better options
4.) Tried to prematurely end the day on a Holden or Ex lynch, no attempt to wagon or solve the “unreadable” slots. - NOT what happened.

If someone hammers you now you will flip scum.

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i'll die if i hit scum. people ought to know. people wont spend brainpower trying to figure me out. and we can see immediately how people react to it instead of an RVS.

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Piss off Ame. You're actually scum.

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it's not locktown and i have no opinion about it

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I said idk, right?

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It's too early for your bullshit Ame. Let me do some morning chores first.

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I just told you that the only issue I have with it is that I can't fully believe it yet.

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farside, if I'm town, who is scum in my tail right now?

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i'm thinking of scenarios

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Just pondering that.

i admit, I'm scumreading Ame, but your "pondering here" and your hesitation to explicitly say that this is scummy and leaving us to infer for ourselves that it's scummy makes me have an epiphany myself. Just pondering this.

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You would be wrong because I'm town. You are also town, I bet. How legendary are your reads?

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thanks man

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Vote Bugspray monkey

let me iso him real quick

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i have no idea how to read this slot. why is bugs scum?

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okay bugs doesn't care about this game. let me look at blitz 1 real quick

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i have no idea what bugs look like as town, but blitz 1 bugs make a significant attempt at looking like they're scumhunting even if they're posting nonsense. it's not a similar game. what does town bugs look like?

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yeah i dont know how to read this slot, and I'm not open to lynching it right now. why is bugs scum and not town?

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i can buy it

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not saying i agree (i haven't thought about it), but i can buy that it's legitimate POV. bugs in Blitz 1 never had a legitimate POV.

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not eager to call it town yet but he's not my top lynch today

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i'm going to trust your reads and inutile reads and piggyback off of them as needed. carry me this game. if i get lynched, it's your responsibility to find the scum in my wagon. you have no say in this. kthxbye.

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that is wrong for some reason because if gg is scum, his claim isn't real.

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to pocket you for later, maybe? it confirms you town, because he's weak. you might like that. beside that, nothing really if you're town. GG's roleclaim can only be scum if the person he declares he's gonna hide behind is scum as well.

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that said i just realized now that GG is probably town because there are more worlds that he's town than he's not.

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weak hider = investigative role that cannot fake a guilty, only confirms town — unless he says that there's a roleblocker?

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i generally think it's a wait-and-see slot

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i also realize that my townread of inutile is misguided. i got a townread from our one-on-one but i realized she withdrew her vote on HG for bogus reasons, and now she's trying to pin HG and I together.

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is my townread of farside misguided? let me iso her real quick.

I'm sorry for this rapid posting. it's in the dead of night of here.

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no i buy farside as town. i hope i'm right.

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let's look at HG again.

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I can't read this slot because I'm too biased that it's scum. I defer to farside for this one.

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My thoughts on Porkens is he's probably town for trying to solve why GG has expressed intent to target him, but at the same time it's scum because why is he trying to shake off GG's hide intent on him if it's only going to confirm him as town?

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that's enough mafia, good night.

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I have [HoldenGolden, farside22, inutile, GG, Ame] on my tail. If I have to guess who's scum, it's going to be HoldenGolden and inutile. Ame, depending on how day 2 pans out. I might be wrong on that. good thing this is farside's job.

I think Porkens if scum would have found a way to divert attention to me instead of focusing his posts on GG's intent to hide behind him.

If Porkens + gobbledygook and Ame can't be both alive tomorrow. So we either have a a.) dead tracker and confirmed TvT or SvS or b.) tracker with a real or fake guilty and confirmed scum. or c.) dead tracker and confirmed scum.

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you said something similar to me earlier. why is it scummy for us to not be 100% sure whether or not something is scummy? by extension, is popopopopopopo towny for the confidence with which he declared exemplar scum?

on farside — it either pings you or it doesn't. implying something is scummy is something i use as scum because i make people go to the conclusion themselves instead of feeding it. town doesn't have the motivation to do this.

po x7 is towny for the confidence, yes.

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Do you have more behind my scum read now, or is it still just instinct?

mostly instinct.

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i also think that you've been using my meta maliciously against me

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Mostly because you're saying how you paint a picture of scum-HEM based on past behavior whereas I'm town, and I've done some of the things you've said as town.

I told you to read Nightless and Winter Wonderland. Did you read them?

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okay fine maybe it's not you

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based on my read on you being mostly instinct but i really have nothing yet that points towards scum you.

[humaneatingmonkey]

Hello sorry for replacing out. It wasn't a ragequit or anything. I was overwhelmed with work and real-life events, and I needed to deprioritize mafia. I also wasn't in the mood to play, and it's not fair to people.

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I should really flip my scumreads and townreads lmao.