Micro 944: A Normal Blitz III - Game Over

[Porkens]

I just got home from grocery shopping I’m not even going to fake an TVs vote right now brb

[Porkens]

I’m not even going to fake an TVs vote right now

what do you mean by 'fake an [rvs] vote'?

What do you mean what do I mean? I don’t feel like faking an TVs vote.

[Porkens]

Oh I’m going to role play too. I am Gerald of tibia, who is a contract for me?


A real TVs vote is when you pretend to randomly vote for someone to blend in with the herd.
A fake TVs vote is when you pretend to randomly vote for someone strategically to encourage future conditions.

Generally you care more about the second but pretend to care more about the first.

Huah?

[Porkens]

Ok someone explain what I’m missing I was not in 1 or 2

[Porkens]

Hey guy, I don’t understand the posts you asked about they are too narrative and role player and NAI imo but eh

[Porkens]

I have an issue with that guy dropping his paying style when pressed I’d vote that guy if I knew his name

[Porkens]

Who the guy who started posting in character but then dropped it and whined about being scumread for it? That’s scum

[Porkens]

I’m just glancing at posts but Holden talking about TVs this late is p scum

[Porkens]

TVs is the start of the game where you just randomly or pretend randomly vote [votr]holdengolden[/vote]

[Porkens]

VOTE: holdengolden

[Porkens]

What is pox6

[Porkens]

What is pos

[Porkens]

VOTE: Porkens

That’s fair

[Porkens]

Word

[Porkens]

VOTE: exemplar. Who’s scummy now haha

[Porkens]

I feel like Holden is scumanhis partners derailed his wagon but exemplar replacing out is hella scummy

[Porkens]

Feel not think
Counterwagon

[Porkens]

Only in a perfect world would a town not need to fake anything.

[Porkens]

I don't want Porkens to be lynched, but I appreciate the wagon.

Why don’t you want Porkens to be wagoned?

That’s not what they said

[Porkens]

I don't want Porkens to be lynched, but I appreciate the wagon.

Why don’t you want Porkens to be wagoned?

That’s not what they said

While technically correct, one leads to the other, so...

Only sometimes!

[Porkens]

VOTE: unvote

Imma actually read

[Porkens]

Ok I just sat in bed and read the whole game in detail, Q+ posts I wanted to respond to but apparently I don’t know how Q+ works and so none of that got saved sigh.

I’m going to go to a different device and go through again to put together a real post.

In the mean time ignore everything I did yesterday. I was tired and kinda drunk.

I have real thoughts...invomming

[Porkens]

OK had to install a new modem and router. Try number 3 coming up

[Porkens]

Nobody Hammer anybody until I can post this brain dump.

[Porkens]

INTRODUCTION

OK I haven’t done this kind of post in a long while. I’m doing it here because I think it’s the best way to help town win and I can totally understand why I’m lynchbait so far today and I want to at least make up for that.

First up, here is a fun (often useless but sometimes exactly right) FIRST-POST-SCUM-O-METER. These are based on my first instinct gut reaction to the entry of each player. Ame isn’t on this.

Spoiler:

Game Entrance Alignmentometer

TOWN
gobbledygook
popopopopopopo
inutile
HoldenGolden
Exemplar
bugspray
humaneatingmonkey
SCUM

PBPA

Next up, an annoyingly long post-by-post commentary. Some of it is just more gut reaction – not based on logic. Basically this is just what I think in my head after posts that stood out to me. Some of them are related to each other, while many are isolated. I’ll write up an analysis of the main points after this.

Spoiler:

I’m not even going to fake an TVs vote right now

what do you mean by 'fake an [rvs] vote'?

This feels town to me.

inutile is datisi probably?
im not surprised if some of the players here are actually mains of the alts that we played with.

HG, I'm town again. But you'll discover that soon enough.

also HG, how would you feel if I tell you not you're not a donkey — but a pony?

and pony rhymes with phony.

VOTE: HoldenGolden

No I am a mini-donkey. At least I self indenify as one.

Town again like the last three games we've played where you been scum?

must be another slip. you should scumread me.

This interaction screams hidden messages to me. Is this a traitor reaching out to the scumteam? Is that possible in a game this size/flavor? I have no idea, but that’s what this feels like. There is some real subtext here. /tinfoilhat

I’m not even going to fake an TVs vote right now

what do you mean by 'fake an [rvs] vote'?

What do you mean what do I mean? I don’t feel like faking an TVs vote.

Why would fake an TVs vote? Do you always fake an TVs vote?

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I think inutile is probably town.

The amount of paranoia flowing from inutile’s body makes the air thick. I don’t think HG was doing that unless you said you were doing that in the last game? I think that’s a really high level type of play to make as scum and most people wouldn’t think to do it unless it was revealed to them at some point in the past.

Did you talk about this type of tactic during the last game, inutile? Otherwise, I think you’re seeing shadows.

These feel town to me.

Oopies sorry I was eating inutile. Can you post again so my assoication-town-intor can keep running?

Jokes aside, I don't think your supposed scum motivation for me to do so makes much sense. You would have to imply that I went into this game and made a concious effort to pull that type of play off given how quickly supposed scum!me did it.

Also you are not Shiki. I doubt Shiki would refer to herself in third person at the very end of that post towards me if she would claim who she is.

PEDIT: Monkey don't buy the alt claim. Something is wrong I can feel it.

More of that collusion vibe here.

Why is everyone flooding the thread with posts? Scum trying to make it harder for me to catch up?

Oh I’m going to role play too. I am Gerald of tibia, who is a contract for me?


A real TVs vote is when you pretend to randomly vote for someone to blend in with the herd.
A fake TVs vote is when you pretend to randomly vote for someone strategically to encourage future conditions.

Generally you care more about the second but pretend to care more about the first.

Huah?

And instead of casting a TVs vote, you decided to talk about NAI theory. Safe play, scum.

This feels scummy to me. Post 59 especially feels like posturing and also overtly distancing the self from scum. The other two are kicking up dust, which is ironically NAI :p

i already miss hiraki, shiki, and madoka... whose playstyles i've been endeared to.

what do you make of the coincidence i pointed out with regards to holdengolden's posting pattern?

You're very interested in prodding people on a NAI issue. Filling the thread with distractions?

VOTE: po x7

VOTE: popo x3 +1

What I mean is why it would look like you were coordinating? Does scum ever coordinate posts like that? I don't think so.

Fishing for PRs now, are we, Holden?

fishing for PRs now, are we, Exemplar?

Crusaders cannot fish expect with holy metal hooks. I decree so

FOS: EXEMPLAR
Already voting: HEM

okay so are you 100% sure that I'm scum and there's no need to sort me otherwise? because you haven't been trying to sort me while indicating here that you've been seriously voting me all this time.

hahaha i think you rolled scum this time, HG

Jesus, can it be this simple? Holden/Monkey/Exemplar? This three-way interaction seems so unnatural to me. I may be paranoid from the earlier conspiracy theorizing but the three-way catch here is hard to get over. It also includes some distancing.

VOTE: holdengolden
idk man u seeem pretty weird this game
and i never said i know who inutile is

Completely separately from what I’m thinking of Holden above, THIS post feels scummy to me.

Your setup in the precious page is perfect if you're both scum. Spend a few pages bickering about it without incriminating each other and distance in the process.

Like I get thinking outloud, but now the point is covered in WIFOM.

why is it in your interest that an SvS read on you is WIFOM'd?

ALL ABOARD THE HOLDENGOLDEN WAGON, FOLKS.

Feels like more of the same. I’m worried my read here is just rampant conspiracy paranoia but the feeling is really there.

I'm a fan. Are you?

of course. there are those who are fans and those who are unfamiliar with her.

and then we know and are repelled at knowing that if the dead by any chance returned we should not know them, that the cherished few with whom god chose to part us miss us not, that it is better so, that it is all, perversely, for the best.

this is the closing lines of my favorite poem of hers.

This post feels out of place. I know these two had a moment earlier. Dunno. DUNNO. Could be nothing.

Porkens, put your vote where your pig mouth is.

inutile, put your vote where your impersonating mouth is.

I kiiinda like this, but only out of context. Based on the conspiracy theory above it’s more of the same.

exemplar is obv scum

trust me, im good at catching scum early. its my best quality as a mafia player

Why is everyone flooding the thread with posts? Scum trying to make it harder for me to catch up?

is this a joke? a very strange complaint to make this early in a blitz game. seems like busywork (something to post to look busy)

Oh I’m going to role play too. I am Gerald of tibia, who is a contract for me?


A real TVs vote is when you pretend to randomly vote for someone to blend in with the herd.
A fake TVs vote is when you pretend to randomly vote for someone strategically to encourage future conditions.

Generally you care more about the second but pretend to care more about the first.

Huah?

And instead of casting a TVs vote, you decided to talk about NAI theory. Safe play, scum.

i already miss hiraki, shiki, and madoka... whose playstyles i've been endeared to.

what do you make of the coincidence i pointed out with regards to holdengolden's posting pattern?

You're very interested in prodding people on a NAI issue. Filling the thread with distractions?

attacking people for pointing out behaviour that he deems to be NAI, there is no active scumhunting here, rather he is DISCOURAGING scumhunting from taking place

Are you trying to make us all uneasy, monkey? Setting a demoralising tone?

this is criticism for tone, he doesn't say its scummy, just that monkey is "demoralising". this is shade, and not from a town perspective

any scum caught yet

Yeah, you. Any last words?

this is an interesting interaction, what i think is that he trained on me as a possible easy mark, notice how he doesnt vote me until after monkey does in the next post

VOTE: po x7

VOTE: popo x3 +1

he was fishing and once monkey voted me he figured he could hop on to and try and push an easy mislynch, but im not that easy unfortunately

Fishing for PRs now, are we, Holden?

even bringing this up early on is scummy, and thats not what holden was doing

Why am I FoSed, HoldenGolden?

overly defensive here, another scum sign

exemplar is obv scum

trust me, im good at catching scum early. its my best quality as a mafia player

Yikes.

more defensiveness here, but this is more dismissive, designed to belittle me and prevent town members from taking me seriously. disingenuous reaction at best.

So po×6+1, should I assume your "best skill" at mafia is actually pretty bad, or that you're scum?

rounding it off with a joke/insult post, as if to say he doesn't sweat my accusations, when he clearly does.

yea im happy with my vote

I’m generally liking popopopopopopo as town so far, and this analysis of exemplar is pretty good. Not locktown, but turning bluish.

You're scumreading playstyle. Get your head out of your tunnel.

Again I feel this is a scummy response.

i am scumreading you based on the things you've posted, and I'm still finding the reasons why. meanwhile this wagon should get strated.

Holden, are you always this apologetic/understanding? You see no scum intention behind what monkey is doing here?

No I do. I also saw town intention as well.

My thought was this was an reaction test for both me and people like inutile who expressed I was scummy, which I could see town motivation for doing so. It would let him get a better read on me while also testing those scum leans into me. It bothered me how quickly it happened, but I could of bought it (since I know he is trying more reaction test in his playstyle).

The fact this seems based on "townies are always paranoid" and is an actual read is bullshit however.

Anyways this is what I wanted to spurt out incase of an lolhammer.

I have some smaller pings such as the popo minivs. examplar posts and porkins, but I need sleep first.

VOTE: Porkens

I thought his case was genuine enough, but if he's not seeing his fault and actually declaring me caught scum in page 8 after my response, he might just be scum.

oh then why vote Porkens and now build a wagon on popo?

VOTE: popo

Ugh. I'm back here after that post.

voting porkens and then immediately back to me, flailing already u hate to see it

This sequence looks very bad for Exemplar. Sheeping Holden then Monkey. popopopopopopo is spot on here.

This isn't natural. This is picking a target and then painting everything they do as scummy. That "case" is trash and if you continue to call it valid after I've told you half the stuff were jokes, or not addressing how asking someone why they scumread me is "over defensive", you're scum.

206 is fake. You guys buying this false bravado?

These look like desperate scum defenses.

he is at L-2. my vote would put him to L-1, at which point it would not be unreasonable for him to claim and it is also possible he would be lynched. i am 'soft' on my scumread to the extent that my putting additional pressure on him in the form of my vote seems more a net negative than a net positive at this point in the game. why is my vote necessary? what purpose does it serve for you?

okay. this makes sense. although claims only happen at intent to hammer, not at L-1 automatically. I've seen countless of L-1s where a claim wasn't necessary because it's understood that a hammer is bad for both town and scum. But whatever. i haven't been paying attention in the VCs. i want a wagon to form and your vote is necessary. it serves me the purpose of putting a fire in HG's ass and seeing who among those who scumread HG means it. your absent of voting when you should have been the first one to vote give me a story that you don't have real reads.

I dunno. I’ve lost sense of why HEM wants to put a fire under HG’s ass. This whole “I like the wagon but I don’t want to lynch” methodology is slippery to me. Might be my failing, dunno.

caught scum is big mad and getting personal

Nothing wrong with being a certain age. Didn't mean it in that way.

It really came across like you did mean it in a disparaging way, to me at least. Why bring it up at all if that wasn’t the intent? Why back off now?

off as in scum? commit to your reads.

off as in a bad angle. like it doesn't make sense to me and could come from scum but it doesn't necessarily make sense for scum to be pushing me to vote like this either.

if i unvote, and you vote HG, I will vote Exemplar, and HG will be in quasi-L-1 while putting pressure on Exemplar as well. This sounds like a good deal.

if i unvote, and you vote HG, I will vote Exemplar, and HG will be in quasi-L-1 while putting pressure on Exemplar as well. This sounds like a good deal.

i will agree to this. i assume town will be able to work out what happened here if you orchestrate a hammer while i sleep.

you've played with me before, do you think this is a likely scenario in scum!Monkey? Why is it more on me than on them, if they themselves put them at L-1?

the aggressively and openly pushing for you want would be well within likelihood from scum!monkey. why is it more on you than the other person who votes if you hammer someone that you agreed not to vote on without my okay or until after i have moved my vote? well because you made this agreement and they did not.

you seem to think HoldenGolden will flip town

why would i, as scum, quickhammer my supposed scum buddy, based on your reads? why is my scumminess lessened greatly if holdengolden flips town?

my reads are not foolproof. just because i think someone is the most likely to be mafia it doesn't make it so. i meant to say your scumminess would be lessened greatly if holdengolden flipped mafia. i am quite tired.

This interaction is exceeding good for monkey and the opposite for inutile. Flatly, this is the towniest that monkey has read to me all game. Objectively, though, the point he made could come from either scum or town. But damn it’s a good point.

First gut scum read goes to Porkens. Holden post 40 read as buddying.
Exeplar reads a little trying too hard.

What I mean is why it would look like you were coordinating? Does scum ever coordinate posts like that? I don't think so.

yes, yes they do.
popopop seems weird.
Feeling better about Holden, Exemplar still reads as scummy.
I don't get monkey's point about Holden.

I’m just glancing at posts but Holden talking about TVs this late is p scum

This is pretty weak.
Don't like exemplar's back and forth with popopo. Call's him tunnel, then when called out by monkey switches to scummy with this.

Exemplar, did your scumread of popo change?

I thought his case was genuine enough, but if he's not seeing his fault and actually declaring me caught scum in page 8 after my response, he might just be scum.

That is some serious back tracking there.

206 is fake. You guys buying this false bravado?

Someone is panicing on just one vote.

vote: Exemplar

scum reads thus far Exemplar and Porkens

I like this analysis, it looks to be coming from a scumhunting POV, the read on me is totally justified. The only problem is that scum Farside can fake all of this in her sleep.

what the fuck I keep looking away for a few minutes to like 5 more pages

That’s scummy. Bugspray is scummy. Let me check their iso…yeah really scummy.

Spoiler:

Town is always paranoid.

Wagon this phony.

this wagon is now a lynch [HEM, gobbledygook, Porkens, inutile, bugspray] based on intention to vote. if the people who were saying stuff about HG being possible scum aren't here and still in their RVS mode, scum is in this wagon.

i currently have a scumread on holdengolden. it is the strongest read i have so far. if that is what you are interpreting as intention to vote, then yes, i have 'intention to vote'. if you are saying that i should do so now and we should immediately lynch holdengolden otherwise i am mafia i have a hard time believing that is a town thought process.

who said i wanted to immediately lynch him? i said wagon.

no i simply want to wagon him. which your vote should be contributing in.

go vote HG.

so you want me to vote holdengolden to L-1 in order to simply say there was a wagon? but you don't want him to claim at that point?

Claims only happen when there's intent to hammer. I want a wagon to force spotlight on two candidates and watch how people interact with it.

WHY are you still not voting HG?

i am scumreading you based on the things you've posted, and I'm still finding the reasons why. meanwhile this wagon should get strated.

he is at L-2. my vote would put him to L-1, at which point it would not be unreasonable for him to claim and it is also possible he would be lynched. i am 'soft' on my scumread to the extent that my putting additional pressure on him in the form of my vote seems more a net negative than a net positive at this point in the game. why is my vote necessary? what purpose does it serve for you?

okay. this makes sense. although claims only happen at intent to hammer, not at L-1 automatically. I've seen countless of L-1s where a claim wasn't necessary because it's understood that a hammer is bad for both town and scum. But whatever. i haven't been paying attention in the VCs. i want a wagon to form and your vote is necessary. it serves me the purpose of putting a fire in HG's ass and seeing who among those who scumread HG means it. your absent of voting when you should have been the first one to vote give me a story that you don't have real reads.

So it's an actual read -> a read plus one your building -> lighting a fire under my ass/reaction test AFTER I bring it up as a possibility to why you are doing this? That's frabicated to hell.

Why do i need a fire under my ass 3 hours in when you started your Holden wagon?

Why arent you looking into those who hopped on the wagon as well if it's a reaction test? Nothing changed for your test when I asked if this was a legit read as inutile already refused to vote me. Bugs voted me for being "werid", and porkin had to be asked by you to actually follow through on his RVS thing. I get scum isn't committal, but why dont you think scum wouldnt jump also at your offering to wagon me in this context? If you are town, it's a perfect scapegoat situation for them.

Let me guess, you rolled scum and decided to do your usual death tunnel strategy on me.

Ehhhhhh my teeeeeth….ummm…in my conspiracy theory Holden doesn’t KNOW that monkey is on his team so the conflict can be real but it also could still be distancing. I wish I could flush that theory out of my mind I feel like I cant be objective really.

inutile is town.
monkey is scummy, interrogation feels a little forced.
popo is VI.
Holden is a who knows. Maybe town.
gobble is scummy if that's all they have to say after coming back to several 1v1s/arguments.
farside might be town. I can understand her takes.
Porkens is scummy. The vote and previous double explanation without going back and checking.
bugspray is null.

VOTE: Porkens L-2

Exemplar is definitely frustrated, but is this readslist coming from scum? The line “interrogation feels alittle forced” stands out to me as … well…forced. I guess OVERALL I get a townsense from this post.

VOTE: exemplar. Who’s scummy now haha

You still havent answered my question

On a scale to 1-10 how juicy would you say you are?

That totally depends on how you cook me.

what the fuck I keep looking away for a few minutes to like 5 more pages

VOTE: holdengolden
idk man u seeem pretty weird this game
and i never said i know who inutile is

I mean I already know who you are regardless based on the bugsprayyyy post so

wait do you know that i know?
VOTE: holdengolden for not telling me

No, I don't need to know your mind to understand the engima which is inutile.

Bugs are you scum with HEM this game? Honesty is the best policy.

Honesty is the best policy? Then tell me who inutile is.

I mean I already know who you are regardless based on the bugsprayyyy post so

wait do you know that i know?
VOTE: holdengolden for not telling me

I could perhaps understand it if all bugs has done since RvS was say the game is moving too fast if that's all they did, but they confirmed their vote on me was no longer RVS.

This is a strange defense of bugs. Bugs has literally done nothing all game and yet holden is giving props for “confirming that their vote was not RVS” but the stated reason is goofy bullshit so why this defense at all? But why would scum Holden defend bugspray? I don’t get it. It’s a terrible defense either way.

Porkens his content is not too good but the obliviousnes in parts strikes me as a little town. Idk, porkens is a cypher.

Daw, thanks, I liked that.

HG rolled scum this game guys. Trust me.

Do you scumread me, HG?

I don't really care whether you are very productive on your end. I don't think I'm going to be productive just picking what say apart. I'm probably gonna have a lot of false positives. Meanwhile, I like watching you interact with everything else. I don't want to take attention away from Exemplar and Porkens.

More of those hidden messages. “I know you are scum, do you hear me? Do you get that I’m saying I KNOW your scum? I don’t care if you are productive ON YOUR END. Don’t worry about my reads I have lots of false positives.” Am I going fucking crazy here? Beautiful Mind style?

Porkens his content is not too good but the obliviousnes in parts strikes me as a little town. Idk, porkens is a cypher.

Ive gone back and forth on my read of porkens. Didn't like the l-1 vote without reasons. Otoh he reads a bit goofy/trollish. He wasn't trollish in the game i modded with him but its hard to see why he's doing it.

HG rolled scum this game guys. Trust me.

Still not seeing it. I don't really see you figuring him out either.

Agreed. That bit about me seems genuine. Again, fake-able but it’s there.

Why are people voting Exemplar? I’m only on page 5. I’ll read later.

Why are people voting Exemplar? I’m only on page 5. I’ll read later.

Wait, why'd you vote porken then?

Thats a good question

This feels like town. I also feel like I’m handing out townreads like candy to these two so…paranoid!

Exemplar has requested replacement.

I feel like Holden is scumanhis partners derailed his wagon but exemplar replacing out is hella scummy

So you think intuite is my scum partner?

Derail as in stop it or derail as in pushing a counterwagon?

This post is INTERESTING for a couple reasons. I’m not sure how HG landed on intuite as who I was talking about. (in point of fact I didn’t know who I was talking about, though I want to reanalyze that – I want to say monkey put the breaks on?? *not sure about this*

VOTE: exemplar. Who’s scummy now haha

Farside and pox7, I voted Porkens for this post specifically. But I had been scumreading Porkens since he said he wasn’t going to fake an RVS vote which reads scummy to me since a townie shouldn’t need to fake anything.

Farside and pox7, what alignment do you think Porkens is?

———

I am reading now from page 5!

Fair, I’m ok with this.

if i tilt my head at just the right angle it kinda feels like monkey/holden are doing limit/skitter.

IT’S NOT JUST ME HALLELUJA

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=82824

VOTE: exemplar. Who’s scummy now haha

Farside and pox7, I voted Porkens for this post specifically. But I had been scumreading Porkens since he said he wasn’t going to fake an RVS vote which reads scummy to me since a townie shouldn’t need to fake anything.

Farside and pox7, what alignment do you think Porkens is?

———

I am reading now from page 5!

Answer in thread.

I feel like Holden is scumanhis partners derailed his wagon but exemplar replacing out is hella scummy

if i tilt my head at just the right angle it kinda feels like monkey/holden are doing limit/skitter.

Can you explain what you mean. Too lazy to read another game.

honestly the best possible play exemplar could make there as scum is to replace out. why dont we save the mod and his replacement a lot of trouble

Why are trying to entice me to vote when I already said I prefer to wait?

Pedit: which I'm fine with. But your painting the replacement situation as only scummy in 326.

what spurred you to give this read at that moment?

I was commenting on the other non HEM stuff in the pages I was alseep for

Curious. You votes examplar, was fine with him at l-1 ,but feel gun shy when he replaces out........why?

Same townread of this farside post. Same crippling paranoia that she’s scum playing well.

Like how can anyone read Porkens iso and think that he is scumhunting. It is truly baffling he isn’t six feet under already

Like how can anyone read Porkens iso and think that he is scumhunting. It is truly baffling he isn’t six feet under already

i think porkens is mislynch bait, this post solidifies my scumread of gobble

Like how can anyone read Porkens iso and think that he is scumhunting. It is truly baffling he isn’t six feet under already

i think porkens is mislynch bait, this post solidifies my scumread of gobble

Please don’t I’m a 1-shot hider. I’m fine claiming this because even if I get targeted for an rb they can’t stop me

This is a really overblown reaction IMO. One short little back and forth and your begging and claiming. Read on tho…

Like how can anyone read Porkens iso and think that he is scumhunting. It is truly baffling he isn’t six feet under already

So why the unvote? Are you scum reading anyone else?
Sorry I saw the unvote and I thought you voted examplar.

@GG: I voted pork when I saw the vote on examplar, but after examp made his comment it reinforced my scum read on him and thought about porkens in a different aspect. With the waiting to see what else he says.

Popo engage with me

helo

Since we are waiting on the replacement to fully catch up, do you have any other reads?

farside is town
holden town lean
gobble is kinda scummy

GG has been reading scummy in many a game with me. I found his vote on pork weird by I liked his follow up as to why he was scum reading pork.

I’m going to hide behind pork if we don’t lynch him. He’s probably scum so I’m probably dead. If not scum shoot him and take 2 town out but I forced them to kill mislynch bait

are you weak?

Yes. I die of I target scum

HIDER CLAIM

I'll leave my reaction out of the spoiler since it’s the priority right now:

WOW I was not expecting this turn in the game. Interesting and puzzling. I don’t understand how hider works exactly but I assume others in the thread do and will jump on any inaccuracies. So what gobbled is saying here is that he’s going to hide behind me and nothing can stop that. If he dies, that means he targeted scum. Right?
AND if he doesn’t die, that means I’m confirmed town BUT if I get nightkilled then we both die?
AND I assume that means he cant be nightkilled while hiding.
SO if all the above is right; we will both die tonight because otherwise im clear tomorrow.

I have further thoughts about this…but I haven’t checked the thread since I started this so I’ll treat it as a separate matter.

ANALYSIS

HoldenGolden and humaneatingmonkey have a weird connection. Looks like traitor/scum to me. Strong feeling that Exemplar is also part of this theoretical scum team. This could all be paranoia. Exemplar is the scummiest on an individual basis from that group. Bugspray is scummier than all of them but borders on lynchbait territory. popopopopopopo and inutile are middling, with popopopopopopo being slightly townier because inutile is somewhat choosey in his engagements. gobbledygook is strongly town, and so is farside22 but I could easily be completely wrong. I 100% believe gobbledygook's claim.

READSLSIT

OK finally here is a reads list. I kept the player list up on the side of my screen while reading and moved people up/down as I read. It’s not a perfect method and sometimes its hard to see where my comments and reads line up. If you ask me I will try to explain to the best of my ability.

Spoiler:

gobbledygook
farside22

popopopopopopo
inutile

HoldenGolden
humaneatingmonkey

Ame Exemplar

bugspray

[Porkens]

Have I said anything that you think supports a connection ?

[Porkens]

And u don’t 6hink Holden falls into that realm here?

[Porkens]

They had such a gooey dialogue and you are telling me monkey blows his partners cover, do those pieces fi6?

[Porkens]

Popopopopopopo hey sup. lynch bugs track ame?

[Porkens]

Not ame monkey

[Porkens]

Hide behind .... hmmmm. Holden? Or farside for the Hail Mary?

[Porkens]

Oh no hide behind intulie!

[Porkens]

I’m sorry, I’m having a hard time picking out “points” that I can really respond to. I’m not sure what you mean by non associativas. I’m assuming your tracker claim is true so I’m not really trying to sort you. Your predecessor was really, really scummy. But your claim will sort you eventually anyway. That’s probably not a terribly helpful answer but there you are.

[Porkens]

gook hiding under Ame would kill him if Ame is scum. but if gook is fakeclaiming and said he hid under Ame, a scum buddy, they control the lynch for one day and there's no way to disprove it otherwise.

See this implies you think GG is scum. Looking at your post you don't talk about a scum read on GG. This just reads as trying to create a false narrative.

farside, if I'm town, who is scum in my tail right now?

I would say the only other player I don't have a read on currently is inutile.

Someone help me out with this.

If gg is scum, and he claims his intent to hide behind a specific person, and that person is town, they should both die that night, right? Is that wrong for some reason?

[Porkens]

Why would Exemplar do that if he knew he was replacing out?

Well the replaced out looked scummy. He was under scrutiny during the time. It just hit me.
Id just look at ame with her defense of bug if he flips scum.

I would do this but I’m really hoping I just die on Porkens tonight.

You are still planning to do that? Even after I for real posted?

[Porkens]

that is wrong for some reason because if gg is scum, his claim isn't real.

Sorry I’m having trouble explaining my question.

just to help me understand, assume I’m town and gg is scum. What good does Gg get by declaring his intent to hide behind me?

[Porkens]

to pocket you for later, maybe? it confirms you town, because he's weak. you might like that. beside that, nothing really if you're town. GG's roleclaim can only be scum if the person he declares he's gonna hide behind is scum as well.

Sure I get that but if he were town and declares his intent to hide behind someone the scum knows is town, don’t they always kill shoot the target and kill both? For scum gg it just seems like self-defeating strategy.

[Porkens]

this post feels like a major outlier in your meta. could you link me to a similar post you've ever made? is there a reason you chose to present this information to us in this way?

Nah I’m not really in the mood to do that. But if you dig you’ll find plenty. “In this way” is vague, but I was trying to be clear and communicative and transparent with my thought process.

What do you mean “this looks just like my iso”? Are you suggesting that ame plagiarized your reads?

[Porkens]

Ugh ok your asking really nicely one min

[Porkens]

So is that scummy re: ame?


https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 2#p9505082

[Porkens]

is that

what is your current read of farside?

havent changed

[Porkens]

WOW I was not expecting this turn in the game. Interesting and puzzling. I don’t understand how hider works exactly but I assume others in the thread do and will jump on any inaccuracies. So what gobbled is saying here is that he’s going to hide behind me and nothing can stop that. If he dies, that means he targeted scum. Right?
AND if he doesn’t die, that means I’m confirmed town BUT if I get nightkilled then we both die?
AND I assume that means he cant be nightkilled while hiding.
SO if all the above is right; we will both die tonight because otherwise im clear tomorrow.

I have further thoughts about this…but I haven’t checked the thread since I started this so I’ll treat it as a separate matter.

Looking at this again, I agree with bugs that this

is

weird. It seems like an overreaction.

End of a long read/analysis and if I remember right it happened while I was working on my post. Came out of no where and surprised me.

[Porkens]

How it works what it implies how it fits with the end of today tonight and the next day. As you can see I’ve spent the last several of my posts talking about that. Hence: a puzzle

[Porkens]

Hmm, I would say that I was somewhat aware that there was a role called hider, but didn’t have a concrete understanding of how it worked or what it really did. I don’t remember ever having that role or playing in a game that had it but I may not have noticed/don’t recall.

THE big question for me was “would scum claim this role here?” And I think the answer is No.

[Porkens]

Yeah so I had a vague understanding 11 years ago and it hasn’t improved till now

[Porkens]

Do you concur that it’s a real claim from gg here?

[Porkens]

You are better at this than I am. Of course in my mind if any of that shit happened he’d be power lynched the next day but ahhh town seldom does what I want.

[Porkens]

VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

[Porkens]

His team is bussing him, so...

[Porkens]

Welcome SS! You lease feel free to self hammer as scum/traitor.

[Porkens]

“People” don’t

[Porkens]

Weird and bad nightkill.

VOTE: bugspray

[Porkens]

So can you clear someone?

[Porkens]

Explain

[Porkens]

ROFL

[Porkens]

ROFL

I misplayed is all I am going to say

So your answer would somehow help scum? I think it’s helpful for town to know, otherwise.

[Porkens]

This nightkill gives Porkens some scum!equity

I think bugspray scumclaimed with that hammer though.

How does this nightkill give me scum equity?

[Porkens]

You didn’t hide behind me.

[Porkens]

VOTE: unvote

[Porkens]

Which time?

[Porkens]

The replace out triggered me to vote him. It was time for a corpse anyway. However, I should have unvoted after SS didn’t self. Big sprays oopshammer is bullshit imo.

[Porkens]

hammering ame would have been an even scummier hammer than bugspray's.

assuming she flipped town, of course, which you and bugspray being partnered would imply, but worth saying anyway i guess.

Did you just catch your own slip?

[Porkens]

Did you just catch your own slip?

no but i noticed it could be read that way.

It could.

[Porkens]

So you want to kill a pr over someone who actually did something scummy

are you saying claiming a pr that's unlikely to be in the setup and then oopsing your night action to not be proven is not scummy?

Why is it unlikely to be in the setup? And how would you know this as a claimed vt?

Gobble I want you to explain last night

[Porkens]

Why didn’t you target me?

[Porkens]

This nightkill gives Porkens some scum!equity

I think bugspray scumclaimed with that hammer though.

Stop. You said the nightkill gave me scum equity because why wouldn’t scum target me (and therefor you). But you didn’t actually target me because you thought I was town. So you expected to me to be the nightkill and só didn’t hide behind me. Have I got all that right?

[Porkens]

Who is bugsprays partner gobs?

[Porkens]

Farside I’m kinda lost here.

[Porkens]

It’s not bugs + America.

@porkens could you unvote? We have 3 days, there’s no reason to rush the lynch.

Inutile what are your reads?

Ame asked me to unvote.



Farside, are you scum? Why are you voting bugs if you wanna lynch gg?

[Porkens]

Which way are you leaning ame?

[Porkens]

I want it on the record that while I believe she is town and will vote with her all the way to lylo, I’m telling her (and everyone) that there is a part of me that is convinced she is scum and screams at me every time I read her posts.

hi I’m that part. Farside isn’t doing anything outstanding with her posts. It’s not like she’s taking any risks. She’s just posting well and conveying her thoughts in a believable way. This says absolutely nothing about her alignment. The “but I’m not good at scum” is actually the scummiest thing she could have said there. It’s like the employee of the month who you know is stealing but have no evidence to prove it’s them. Scumread me for this if you want I literally do not give a fuck. But let it be known that this half of my brain scumreads the shirt out of farside. Technically though I’m not in this game so I don’t get a vote.

[Porkens]

Which way are you leaning ame?

I'm not sure yet. I'm still waiting for some questions to be answered.

So your fence sitting until someone tells you how to vote?

Oh god I’m sorry about this...

you are fucking scum ame. You replaced scum and you are scum. Your inumerável questions are bland, busywork inducing, unhelpful to the game nonsense and I’ll eat my hat if they lead to anything protown. You hide behind empty interrogation and dither.

[Porkens]

Yes.

Nah, lynchbait.

[Porkens]

It’s stress that does it to me but drugs help too.

US

Sorry, us.

[Porkens]

If this is town we annihilate ame tomorrow.

VOTE: bugspray

[Porkens]

Nope

[Porkens]

How am I not utilizing it?

[Porkens]

Do we? I think I’ve heard enough from you for the day. Hem also needed lynching.

[Porkens]

Oh you’ll be totally clear then.

[Porkens]

Hey I can’t give away all my secrets.

[Porkens]

Ooooo now this is exciting. State your case.

[Porkens]

Neither farside nor popopopopo nor myself are getting lynched today. Bugspray is the correct eat lynch with you right behind. Not sure what inutile is doing but he’s pinging me pretty hard.

[Porkens]

Eh I guess that’s fine actually re:inu but he could be defending bugs.

[Porkens]

She

[Porkens]

Oh fine I’m a parody cop. Bugspray and Ame are not the same alignment

[Porkens]

wait hold on. everyone unvote.

No I’m the third or don’t even try to fake

[Porkens]

Sorry I meant parroty cop.

[Porkens]

K one sec

[Porkens]

No I’m the third or don’t even try to fake

i'm not trying to claim i'm trying to think if there would be a tracker and a parity cop that targets two people in the same night in the same game.

That’s not what parroty or parody cops do though.

[Porkens]

I’m like meh on the doc claim. Help me check the setup math: hider/doc/tracker balances with Roleblocker + what?

[Porkens]

Game was stale and boring and hard to read.

[Porkens]

I’m just saying they aren’t the same alignment.

[Porkens]

I’m just saying they aren’t the same alignment.

yes so your role would have to target them to learn that, which is an unreasonably powerful version of the role.

No parody cops don’t target, neither do parroty cops

[Porkens]

Game was stale and boring and hard to read.

Why am I town if bugs is scum.

That’s just how I feel

[Porkens]

Yeah see you keep spelling it wrong tho, it’s p-a-r-o-d-y cop or p-a-r-r-o-t-y cop

[Porkens]

You said I would be clear. This is stronger than a feeling.

Nah just pushing your buttons

[Porkens]

I think that hider role is bullshit tho. VOTE: unvote

[Porkens]

Ame how can you not see bugs scum ;_;

There's no way scum!Gobbles makes this post in the middle of all that.

God, I got the exact opposite impresarion From that

[Porkens]

I think that hider role is bullshit tho.

what is your actual role?

Serial killer

[Porkens]

That was really fun btw Porkens :3

Shoulda kept it going maybe <3

[Porkens]

Ah true unless it’s me and gobbles.

[Porkens]

It was a parody

[Porkens]

normals have to follow normal guidelines
i've gotten two games through NRG and the only adjustments to setups i've ever had to make were for balance reasons
prok is reckless flaunty scum right now and should not be allowed to live
that claim? this bullshit? fuck!

Oh please you got to L-1 all by yourself and I probably just saved you from the lynch.

[Porkens]

Unless you keep up the fake rage that is...

[Porkens]

i targeted ame because when you're doctor and there's a credibly claimed investigation role you fucking target them

What made the claim credible by the way?

[Porkens]

Unless you keep up the fake rage that is...

im not gonna waste my sanity trying to talk to you rn bye bitches i'm gonna go marathon the rest of firefly

Oof prepare to be disappointed that show falls off a steep cliff.

VOTE: bugspray

I’m vanilla town

[Porkens]

Why do you keep saying jailkeeper when ....oh

[Porkens]

But that reaction tho

[Porkens]

Why claim doctor then? Why would scum target neither power role?

[Porkens]

VOTE: unvote is don’t know what to thonk

[Porkens]

Why would they claim doc if they were jailer?

[Porkens]

Why can’t they truthfully claim if they are town I don’t get it

[Porkens]

Why would they claim doc if they were jailer?

Because I was roleblocked. They can’t claim they roleblocked me so they are claiming they protected me.

I still don’t get it, am I dumb? I don’t see how fakeclaiming doc over jailkeeper is less suspicious. Maybe they are just a scum roleblocker

[Porkens]

Could jailkeeper protect hiders target?

[Porkens]

MY PRONOUNS ARE FUCKING THEY

What did you think of those last three eps?

[Porkens]

Yeah it’s a funny little show, sometimes I rewatch episodes and I rarely watch the last couple by just aren’t as fun I guess? Did you watch Serenity yet?

[Porkens]

So is there any kind of consensus on whether hider+tracker+doc is possible or is there one scum there?

[Porkens]

Bugs, what’s up with doc/jailer? Which are you and what do you think of ame’s posts regarding your claim?

[Porkens]

So would you say it makes more sense to lynch in or out of PRs today?

[Porkens]

Sorry just to clarify; are you saying that you don’t lynch a claimed PR without a Cc except when they are as scummy as Bugs?

[Porkens]

Sorry just to clarify; are you saying that you don’t lynch a claimed PR without a Cc except when they are as scummy as Bugs?

I have and I would. I'm waiting to see if bugs does anything to change my read while poking on pox7
Who has decided to be as invisible as bug is in this game.
Well there is another time I voted a PR claim that wasn't CC but something didn't add up with the claim or target.
Are you saying you don't lynch a claimed PR or never have?

No I have and would hammer a claimed PR in CCd if I thought or felt they were scum.

Follow up to Pork: Do you really see anything town about bug?

No; too scummy to be scum would be the only thing. I guess I have a sliiiight empathy for mishammering as town but I will hammer bug If they get in range.

I think I was confused by the bolder part of your post below:

So would you say it makes more sense to lynch in or out of PRs today?

If I were to pick one I would say Bug only because so far he hasn't done anything to change my impression of him.

Sense lynching a claimed pr????? The only time I think about doing that is with a CC, a game that is role madness or if something doesn't make sense.

Played a mini recently that had 2 miller claims and an IC. This was all on day 1. The CC I legit felt was town but the player that claimed read town to me so I looked elsewhere. Most disagreed and I could see too many would WIFOM the claim with the CC. So lynched the claimed miller even though I felt he was town.
I was right he was town and so was the CC. So nothing to me is ever really that simple.
Ultimately it's about does that player read as scummy.
With bug? Yes.
With Ame? No
With GG? I'm leaning on no.

[Porkens]

Sorry farside, I can’t parse that sentence that starts with Sense...???????. The only point of the conversation is for me to make sure I understand what you are saying, which I believe I do now? IE let’s lynch PR claims that aren’t town.

[Porkens]

Bugspray, popopopopopopo, gobbledygook

One scum in there at least, maybe both.

[Porkens]

Ah, they aren’t that back.

[Porkens]

If this is town we annihilate ame tomorrow.

VOTE: bugspray

[Porkens]

I tried to resist...

[Porkens]

No I said

tomorrow

[Porkens]

Crickets. Popopopopopopo why shouldn’t we lynch you?

[Porkens]

Seemed solvable. Farside is gg really fugirt vendor then?

Gobbles explain yourself role please I’m dumb

[Porkens]

Should say seems.

If you mean about bugspray it was because I love to hammer and he was at l-1 and boy was it satisfying

[Porkens]

And I had that repost of the earlier hammer attemp to use and couldn’t miss the change cause it would me me laugh

[Porkens]

Waiting is boring.

[Porkens]

Yeah I well you can criticize my play all you want I tried to hammer bugspray twice and I don’t regret it.

[Porkens]

did you get fruit?

[Porkens]

not doing it.

[Porkens]

come on man, I'm trying to lay off....

[Porkens]

I've got all the time in the world.

[Porkens]

Gobbledygook already lied once. No one has gotten any fruit - why not? Was he role blocked every night? did he not visit? if not why not? doesn't really add up
if they were going to role block him it would have been night 1, not night 2, right? did he declair a target even?
I don't understand the third

[Porkens]

unless they didn't block him and farside is lying

[Porkens]

but why lie in the first place?

[Porkens]

if gob is scum it makes no sense for him to fakeclaim because he just gets lynched tomorrow

unless they didn't block him and farside is lying

but why lie in the first place?

Im not lying. I don't see gg lying so an rb makes sense to me.
As i said a 1 for 1 makes no sense for scum to make at this point.

I didn’t want to be roleblocked so I claimed hider. I thought hider couldn’t be roleblocked (or tracked).
——-

At any rate, my play makes 0 sense for scum. This would mean I hardcore bussed my teammate after claiming a role I would have to fakeclaim and confirm someone town

[Porkens]

if gob is scum it makes no sense for him to fakeclaim because he just gets lynched tomorrow

unless they didn't block him and farside is lying

but why lie in the first place?

Im not lying. I don't see gg lying so an rb makes sense to me.
As i said a 1 for 1 makes no sense for scum to make at this point.

I didn’t want to be roleblocked so I claimed hider. I thought hider couldn’t be roleblocked (or tracked).
——-

At any rate, my play makes 0 sense for scum. This would mean I hardcore bussed my teammate after claiming a role I would have to fakeclaim and confirm someone town

ugh.

poppa: he already fake claimed once

farside: I was talking about gg's lie

gg: but you took no action n1 right?

[Porkens]

So its either we have a scum multitasking rb, or farside is scum. How common is multitasking as a scum pr modifier

I’m not following, why is this the dichotomy?

[Porkens]

Still why? Sorry I’m dumb today

[Porkens]

I see, that makes sense now thanks popopopopopopo

[Porkens]

Psh I’m clear

[Porkens]

If we lynch farside and she is town, dows that tell us anything about gg?

[Porkens]

Really? Huh.

[Porkens]

So lynching farside over gg does nothing to help us sort gg. Does lynching gg help is sort farside?

[Porkens]

Parody cop came to me as punch back against bugsprays doc claim

[Porkens]

Ok, yeah I agree gg is probably not lying about being pr.

Why would farside lie about not getting fruit?

[Porkens]

oh yeah you are totally right, sorry I misremembered. I made the fake claim because at the time I was still really paranoid about ame being scum, and they asked me why I made the statement that if bug spray flipped town then ame was scum. I had a solid scum read on bug spray but I was tinfoil hat on ame, so I decided to play a wildcard and see how things shook out. bug spray made a bad fakeclaim as a result while ame noticed that I was "parodying" and played along. That helped me sort them. I didn't really think it out at all, and it was spur of the moment. At the core, Ame called me out by asking for my justification, so instead of admitting that it was just gut I spun it into a fake claim for RXN LOL.

I'm trying to think what happens if we Lynch far side here and she is town vs lynching popopopopopopo and he flips town. I don't see why far side would lie about not getting fruit if she were scum. She is now saying "Lynch me today and popopopopopopo tomorrow" so she isn't trying to frame GG anyway.

[Porkens]

oh god is that what loyal means ok.

didn't GG claim first tho? wouldn't far side then lie and say she did receiving fruit?

[Porkens]

I think Farside scum targeted me to rb me and is miffed we are catching her for the wrong reason potentially?

Why did you think fs roleblocker you?

[Porkens]

u right
p-edit ok that's what I thought thx

[Porkens]

I just read farside a iso and I don’t think farside is scum. If so she really cut bugspray loose I think needlessly. she’s pushed her reads. Don’t think she is scum. VOTE: popopopopopopo

[Porkens]

Wait so who did gg target night 1?

[Porkens]

MVP to ame imo

[Porkens]

Ame and inu

[Porkens]

Sorry to monkey, thanks to the mod

[Porkens]

I loled at deadchat!

[Porkens]

told you so.