Newbie 2010: Pride Month | Game Over

[Hectic]

Would you look at who it is. Do you always try and form big wagons early, Umlaut?

VOTE: Umlaut

[Hectic]

I'm disgusted by all this alt-speculation. No respect for people's privacy. But yes, I can confirm that I am in fact an alt of Looker.

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Hey, size matters. I like 'em big

How many scum do you feel are in the neighbourhood?

Is that you, Hoctac?

This was very presumptuous of you.

This is a wagon I can get behind. Now if only I could vote without bringing it to L-1. One of our two scums between Ghost and Umlaut will have to unvote so I can join the wagon

Thank you Elmo. Now I can be on scum's wagon.

VOTE: gibus

Jokes?

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• The lack of a warm welcome worries me.
  
• @Busi: Do not reveal.
  
• @Snowblaze:
  • What is your process for townreading people?
    
  • Is there anyone you feel town from thus far?
• This is not a case.
  

  {Talum | Grego | Amu | Melena | Busi | Aya | Swan | Norati}

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Don't be blind. Open your eyes and become enlightened.

[Hectic]

@Raya: Thank you for the warm welcome. What's the most efficient way to consume time?

@Umlaut: You're right, I was fakeclaiming... I'm actually delighted by all the alt-speculation. I've always wanted people to know I'm Looker.

26 was scummier than 27. One is a vote masked with a joke. The other admits the reason for its existence and has a game-related question included.

[Hectic]

Did you roll scum again, Snowblaze?

You think she might've?

{ Grego | Amu | Melena | Talum | Busi | Aya | Swan | Norati}

VOTE: Ghost Ganster

[Hectic]

I'm disgusted by all this alt-speculation. No respect for people's privacy. But yes, I can confirm that I am in fact an alt of Looker.

I didn't care who you were...But I'm also a person that's just existing.

Aww, thanks. That means a lot.

@Raya: Thank you for the warm welcome. What's the most efficient way to consume time?

In the context of mafia through making cases and wagons and pushing players to get a reaction out of them.

No, it's by eating a clock. Your answer is cool too though.

{ Grego | Amu | Melena | Talum | Busi | Aya | Swan | Norati}

What is this?

Just something that helps me orient myself.

[Hectic]

Thank you! How about I only promise to troll on even posts? Odd posts will be completely, utterly, deadly serious.

What site do you come from, and do you think anything alignment-indicative has happened so far?

[Hectic]

What did I say. I never joke ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You dropped your hat: _/¯\_

[Hectic]

I townread Snowblaze from meta. Her entrance aligns her towngame and isn't like her scumgames. She also fakes early reads as scum, sometimes confident ones even. Her not having any right now is town-indicative.

What pinged you about her just now, Elmo?

[Hectic]

I'll take that, roke.
_/¯\_
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

OI

Alright, fine. You can have your boot back if you return the hat:

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[Hectic]

Well, I'm gonna research my scum buddy now, aren't I?

[Hectic]

Sorry, was an even post. Just "interesting", not towny or scummy in any way?

Also, out of interest, what other site have you played on?

[Hectic]

Cool, that makes sense.

Never heard of Giant in the Playground before! I was more curious rather than looking for more meta, but sure, linking your last town and scum game from there wouldn't do any harm. I don't know what you mean by private networking allowed.

[Hectic]

Also, just a heads up for transparency: Umlaut and I have been playing mafia together for two decades now, I think we can read each other better than we can read our own handwriting at this point. So if you need a read on either of us, you know who to ask (the other person if that wasn't clear).

[Hectic]

Hi, I'll be able to catch up and tackle this tonight. My vote is wasted on Ghost Ganster though.

VOTE: Homura

What did you do wrong?

[Hectic]

Also, just a heads up for transparency: Umlaut and I have been playing mafia together for two decades now, I think we can read each other better than we can read our own handwriting at this point. So if you need a read on either of us, you know who to ask (the other person if that wasn't clear).

So are you town this game and not like Open 774?

Was this supposed to be directed at the girl who did nothing wrong?

turtle's 75: Scummy tone but the reasoning is fair.

81: I get what turtle is saying here. He's saying the wagon was made using reasons from RVS, rather than the wagon being made with reasons that came after RVS - which would normally have more substance and require more justification for a vote.

84: This doesn't feel like the Umlaut I know and love! You understand that scum are usually found more often on wagons, right?

Ghost's 85:
Sure, I can get behind Umlaut being towny for openly trying to form wagons, since scum!him should be somewhat aware that it might receive some negative attention early. Could you use post tags next time please? I agree with most of your thoughts here though. Elmo feels off to me with her hard stances as well.

[Hectic]

My eyes are drooping and I feel tired so I'm gonna come back to this tomorrow after a 8 hour power nap.

gibus is an absolute fiend for not only stealing my boot, but CLONING it and then wearing both. I'm lining him up ━╤デ╦︻

[Hectic]

VOTE: Snow

Feels like you are trying really hard right now

VOTE: Snow

Feels like you are trying really hard right now

...how does that make me scum? I’m just throwing out whatever thoughts I have at the moment.

Why are you getting defensive at a vote?

This interaction really rubs me the wrong way. Don't vibe with Elmo's initial accusation at all, and 94 feels like bad faith. Snowblaze inquired into the vote with a valid question, and Elmo accuses her of "getting defensive" instead of answering the question.

VOTE: Elmo

Oh, 97 as well actually. You'd call that flipping out? It also continues to ignore Snowblaze's initial question in 93.

[Hectic]

Can someone give me a pep talk before I catchup? To get me fired up ya know.

[Hectic]

@Hectic, you're the best! Please, use your superior intellect, and tell us who you'd be looking at if Elmo is lynched and flips scum! And could you also share your supernatural insights on the exchanges between Snowblaze and Homura?

Oo, this hit the spot. Catching up now.

[Hectic]

97: Oh, I realised I find something else that's scummy about this Elmo post. I don't like the way she acknowledges she's probably wrong and that Snowblaze is frustrated, yet is still pushing it. Flailing due to being instantly called out by Homura?

99: Hey, gibus. How'd you know Homura was applying a meta read on turtle in 91? Was it because of this post?

PT

Scum PT slip???

103: This is a good point from Raya. Having 10 things that look scum-indicative, and just a couple that look towny isn't natural. Is this normal for you, Ghost? I'll send the meta analysers on you if you lie to me.

121 feels odd. Maybe because the defence feels a little unnecessary/over justified.

I dislike the style of interrogation you took with this post, however. The rapid-fire questioning feels unsubtle.

Why is being unsubtle scummy?

84: This doesn't feel like the Umlaut I know and love! You understand that scum are usually found more often on wagons, right?

Maybe I don't understand this. More often than they aren't? More often than town are?

Everyone is found more often on wagons because wagons by definition include a large fraction of the players.

Scum are found more often on wagons. I guess you've never played with Bob before, because he'll drive that point home until you're mad. Obviously everyone is found more often on wagons, but scum are generally more wagon hoppy/opportunistic, since they're happier to wagon anyone that isn't them, while town may go vanity for others.

[Hectic]

That was an even post... what am I even doing.

[Hectic]

(In response to your next post, I am most definitely town or scum)

I'm glad you cleared that up for me

Not so fast. If I've learnt one thing about Umlaut over the years, it's that he's incredibly deceptive and will lie 90% of the time, as any alignment. Don't rule him out as a mere town or scum just yet.

[Hectic]

I like both Raya and Ghost tbh. I agree with Ghost's stance that Raya shouldn't be calling turtle town for 121, and I agree with Raya that Ghost seeing too many scum-indicative things, and only a couple of town-indicative things are a cause for concern. They're both valid reasons, but aren't especially condemning either. I like the rest of their posting.

At the top of page 8 now. nEaRlY tHeRe

[Hectic]

My eyes are drooping and I feel tired so I'm gonna come back to this tomorrow after a 8 hour power nap.

Did you oversleep?

It ended up being a 40 hour power nap. I hate when that happens.

[Hectic]

You have a point about null reads but I think that applies much later on the game rather than 6 pages in. A lot of null reads this early is normal. A lot of scumreads this early doesn't sit well with me.

To clarify: I'm scumreading you because of your SR, not because you have a lot of nullreads.

Explain? This doesn't make sense. Raya's explanation of why she finds Ghost scummy ("I honestly think Ghost's list of scumreads was setting up mislynches and if any gained traction he would push that one." and how she disagreed with Ghost's suggestion of a policy lynch) is perfectly valid and I don't see any scum motivation here for Raya to push Ghost.

Not a fan. It's another "defend someone and ask the accuser to elaborate" kind of post. They're not hard for scum to make, and I want to see more independent thoughts, turtle.

I'm not sold on Elmo being scum. She seems pretty aggressive with how she's voting people, but I don't think scum are usually this aggressive in their play. However, the only thing I can attribute to her continual movement of votes and reactions as town is as some form of reaction test (can't really explain much beyond this because this just feels like a possibility in this context). Reaction tests aren't useful though unless information is gained from them so I'd like Elmo to explain the motivation behind her movement of votes at some point.

Hmm, following the trend here. I don't get why you think town!Elmo can only be doing this as reaction tests. Why can't it just be playstyle? This is a perfect way for you to look like you're defending town but without an actual valid reason, since scum!you might expect town!Elmo to absolutely not be doing reaction testing, so you don't need to worry about actually derailing the wagon.

[Hectic]

PageEighteenth!

[Hectic]

I'd be interested to hear that town lean explained more actually.

Do you think scum would force a town read on me?

I feel like scum would be more likely to go after easy targets than someone seeming towny very early on. Not very strong, but at that stage it was better than nothing.

pedit: well, not my fault I happened to post at that time, is it?

I kinda agree with this, and was factoring it in for my read of Raya. Gives her slight town points for pushing Ghost who a lot players liked after the initial thoughts post.

gibus, what pinged you about that townlean on Raya in particular out of everything? Her paranoid posts that you linked didn't contain any paranoia about Raya.

[Hectic]

Grego
Aya
Swan
Busi
Talum
Amu
Norati
Melena

[Hectic]

@Hectic, you're the best! Please, use your superior intellect, and tell us who you'd be looking at if Elmo is lynched and flips scum! And could you also share your supernatural insights on the exchanges between Snowblaze and Homura?

No idea if Elmo is lynched and flips scum, and I don't think it's a valuable use of time to look into it. Preflip analysis is overrated.

Snowblaze comes out looking better from the interactions. Homura is an odd one. I got town pings early on but I dislike this:

For Snow, I feel like she's taking a more cheery, airy tone with her posts that I find a little off-putting. Don't know what to think about the implication that she took for granted I'm town. I have also consistently misread her in our games, so slight paranoia plays a role as well.

The difference is in contrast to all her previous games, not just scum games. I considered her tone off-putting in a vacuum. My post was not nebulous enough to misunderstand this.

Homura has only played with Snowblaze while Snowblaze was scum.

I can see why you'd scumread it in a vacuum if you found it off-putting, but you specified "she's taking a more" which means you're comparing it to her scum-games. That's what I find strange.

[Hectic]

However, the only thing I can attribute to her continual movement of votes and reactions as town is as some form of reaction test

This suggests the only way you could see town!Elmo is if she was doing what she was doing for reactions. You've said you don't think she's scum in the same post, but then given a weird condition she needs to fulfil for her to be town. If you're scum, you're essentially soft-defending the wagon without actually giving people reasons to hop off.

Regarding the first point, I'm not framing it as that, it's more the fact those type of posts are an easy way to look busy as scum.

I do appreciate the vote of confidence though <3

[Hectic]

Why does it look like that, Raya? I'm just voicing any suspicions I have. He's not my top scumread, and I actually like his recent responses to me, though it took me several tries to read and understand what he was saying.

Okay, Homura, I can see where you're coming from there. You mean that his rapid fire questioning is more designed to make you look bad than for him to actually gauge your alignment.

[Hectic]

I haven't checked the role table yet. Is jester on there? I'm getting jester vibes from someone but I don't want to say just in case they're one of those dayvig jester types.

[Hectic]

I get you, turtle. Have a good night and let's be friends [:

[Hectic]

Umlaut, why do I need to scumread and then backpedal on turtle as scum? They're not my top scumread and I wasn't pushing them. What's the point?

[Hectic]

Grego
Aya
Swan
Norati
Busi
Amu
Talum
Melena

[Hectic]

This game feels quiet for a large. There's 4 scum alive I guess so maybe they're all lurking?

[Hectic]

99: Hey, gibus. How'd you know Homura was applying a meta read on turtle in 91? Was it because of this post?

I didn't. Why?

You suggested it was a meta read in 99.

[Hectic]

I guess the way they word things does make them lynchbaity. I don't think that post you quoted was towny though. Scum can more likely to not take a stance and leave their options open. Why do you think scum!turtle has motive to scumread Ghost and agree with you, or scumread you and agree with Ghost, when they can just take a middle ground and argue with you against the logic without giving a read on either? It means they can be flexible later.

Doesn't make them scum, but I wouldn't say that's a towny response for the reasons you're giving. The logic they used in the post however was fine.

[Hectic]

I actually can't tell if you're joking this time even though it's even... there's no third party. I was just joking

Wait, really?? I've been playing around things like serial killers and cult leaders for as long as I can remember in newbie games. I thought anything considered normal could be in these games.

For the record, my cult leader read was Snowblaze, and my serial killer read was gibus. My jester read was Elmo.

Can I throw all those out then?

[Hectic]

Well, his responses are what changed my mind. Not Raya's disapproval.

[Hectic]

Well, his responses are what changed my mind. Not Raya's disapproval.

This makes sense, but I’m still confused about the part where you said that I was not even your top scumread, and yet you pushed me as scum the hardest in your catch up. Did you decide just based on my responses that I was no longer your top scumread? Who is your top scumread right now?

Elmo is still my top scumread. There was nothing from Elmo during my catchup so my read on her is unchanged, if not slightly worse I guess for the lack of activity.

[Hectic]

AaAAAaa, even post.

Forgive me, mod, players, and admins, but most of all, I must forgive myself.

[Hectic]

I forgive you Hectic

Thank you, Raya. Keep being merciful and let's be friends [:

[Hectic]

It’s M2H but close enough I guess

Welcome, M2H! Matwoey?

Thoughts on Raya, Hectic?

Second top town.

[Hectic]

Why are so many people lurking? For a 17 player game with 4 scum, this is basically dead.

[Hectic]

I don't get 289, gibus. Scumreading a top town attracts a lot of unwarranted attention. Where have you seen scum do this before as a strategy?

Elmo, isn't Red Panda an alt of yours?

[Hectic]

Why are so many people lurking? For a 17 player game with 4 scum, this is basically dead.

It’s not 17p... it’s 9p. 7t 2m. Derp clear denied.

7 traitors, 2 mafia? I'm not an expert in setup design but I don't think that sounds fair to town. I may be wrong though, because I'm no expert in setup design.

[Hectic]

Why this game specifically, gibus?

M2H, if you think I'm faking a slip, would that not make me scum?

[Hectic]

Welcome, Nauci! Your slot claimed tracker, can you confirm this?

[Hectic]

I'm reasonable sure Elmo was scum. Her alt is Red Panda, and she was relatively active on there while she completely lurked it out here after we started accusing her.

[Hectic]

Gibus, this isn't a particularly new or unconventional tell. It's the classic elitell. If a player is in multiple games and is active in all of them except for 1, that game is usually their scum game. It's surprisingly effective. I don't like how you're trying to frame that as a bad faith push.

You're saying she could just be unmotivated but that's the point of the tell, in general people like playing scum less and have less energy for it.

I want to vote in [gibus, Nauci].

[Hectic]

Why are so many people lurking? For a 17 player game with 4 scum, this is basically dead.

It’s not 17p... it’s 9p. 7t 2m. Derp clear denied.

7 traitors, 2 mafia? I'm not an expert in setup design but I don't think that sounds fair to town. I may be wrong though, because I'm no expert in setup design.

Luckily for you I'm an expert in setup design and this is actually extremely town sided

And how would that work, Raya?

Sounds to me like you're a traitor trying to make us not worry about you.

[Hectic]

However, I get the feeling Nauci going for gibus over me is town-indicative. Turtle and gibus are voting me, and Umlait and Raya have recently expressed some paranoia over me, so I could be a viable lynch. But instead of going for me who has Nauci as my top scumread - a high priority to remove from the game for scum!her - she goes for gibus instead.

VOTE: gibus

I'll be taking my hat and boots back.

[Hectic]

Hn
Aya
Swan
Icuna
Norati
Amu
Talum
Busi

Is it really this again, Busi? Would you try to lynch me day 1 after last game? I think you're more likely to do it as scum than town if given the opportunity. That's my worry.

[Hectic]

Ah, I see; that makes sense. Happy to be lynched for the misrep.

[Hectic]

Whoops, didn't realise.

[Hectic]

I had a good feeling gibus was

Hated

and was trying to hammer him... that's a shame.

[Hectic]

Will catchup before deadline. For now though; Umalut, what's your progression on me?

One of Nauci or Hectic is probably scum

Why do you think this?

I'd also vote Umlaut. He's constantly been a bottom 2 or 3 read for me this game. Feels a little like he did in this game, and not like this game.

[Hectic]

PageSecondFromBottom

[Hectic]

Raya could be scum for grabbing all these PageTops. Scum want to claim those because they're like fortified watchtowers of a castle. Best way to give a good impression.

[Hectic]

Still haven't properly caught up but I suddenly get the impression gibus might be flipping town. In his last newbie game, he was hammered without being given a chance to claim so I wasn't able to see what he'd claim day 1 as scum, but once he started being suspected, he kinda just gave up and stopped posting altogether. This definitely isn't the case here, and he's been solving/trying to prove he's town till the end. Also, I doubt he claims VT here when it looks like he's most likely the lynch. Being lynched as scum here on day 1 without outing a PR means a loss for scum 90% of the time in newbie games. I think he would fakeclaim a PR as scum.

However, I'm in the awkward position here where I'm the counterwagon which isn't great.

VOTE: Umalut

Could I interest people in this? Have faith, Subi. Isn't my play here very similar to our previous newbie together? I've been less active but I've had less time, is my solving not the same though?

I also recall some other expressing paranoia/scumleans on Umlaut. We can make this happen.

[Hectic]

Well, his responses are what changed my mind. Not Raya's disapproval.

This makes sense, but I’m still confused about the part where you said that I was not even your top scumread, and yet you pushed me as scum the hardest in your catch up. Did you decide just based on my responses that I was no longer your top scumread? Who is your top scumread right now?

You too, turtle. You suspected me because of my suspicions on you, but that's me prodding into what I find suspicious. Why would scum!me scumread and shade someone and then immediately change my mind after they start suspecting me? All I've done there is made someone suspect me and worsen my position without any benefit. It's because I'm town and just giving out my reads, and not playing with some agenda.

How do you feel about Umalut?

[Hectic]

VT claims on day 1 are usually town in newbie game; scum will usually claim a PR. Plus, gibus is acting very differently to how he did when under pressure as scum in our previous game. I'm feeling a little hopeless honestly; the two wagons are now on people I think are both town. PT hunting, really? As a personal anecdote, every day 1 VT claim I've seen in newbie games have actually been VT. It's a thing.

I don't think my point on Nauci is bad at all. Why should I be "paranoid" as town if she goes for someone who isn't me? It may be the same slot, but it's a different person.

Turtle wasn't a push because I didn't vote him, that should be clear. If I was trying to get turtle lynched, I would've voted him. That was me voicing suspicions.

I also don't think you're using the "goofing around" thing in good faith. I've done it in every game with you, twice as town, and once as scum. I've also made it clear that even posts should not be taken seriously. So how is it "hard to read my real intentions", when it's clear which posts you should be taking seriously?

I really think Umlaut is scum, guys. Help me out here.

[Hectic]

[Hectic]

As scum, I could very easily just get gibus lynched here. There's no reason for me to start townreading him and go for someone else when I'm the counterwagon if I'm scum. But I'm town, which is why I want to try and actually lynch who I think is scum.

I'll switch back to gibus if it means it's him or me, but I'd much rather lynch Umlaut here. If people are interested, they need to actually switch votes rather than only switching if there looks like there'll be interest, because then people will fall into the trap of no one being the first one to act.

I'll be around before deadline.

Pedit: Sooo Umlaut time, Raya?

[Hectic]

I don't think my point on Nauci is bad at all. Why should I be "paranoid" as town if she goes for someone who isn't me? It may be the same slot, but it's a different person.

If I'm town, and I think I'm the most likely lynch, and I see my top scumread vote somewhere else, my first thought is not "oh they must be town then" but "they are trying to be off the mislynch wagon." Failing to think of that possibility suggests you were never really that invested in thinking Elmo was scum.

But she's moving to push gibus and lynch him instead. So as scum, she'd still be on a mislynch wagon?

I was paranoid of you in those games too! The only time I wasn't suspicious of you was when I was scum. In Butterfly Mafia I was half-convinced you were about to off me Night 1 and then sail to an easy win. I know you do this in all your games and I'm not saying it's particularly a reason to scumread you here, but you wanted to know my progression on you and that paranoia is a part of it. It's not part of my case, and accusing me of bad faith for answering a question you asked is obnoxious.

Well, you used it as a reason to scumread me. You specified you have difficulty reading the real intentions of my posts, when this clearly shouldn't be the case (the even post thing). Others have had no difficult parsing my posts, so I doubt you of everyone in this playerlist is the person to bring this up as a point against me if you were town.

You also said this:

I know posts like 68 and 212 are just playing around but others don't necessarily pick up on that, and it causes them to make bad reads.

Have you seen this happen? I haven't. I've seen people understand the even post thing and even play along with me. This is why I think you're presenting this in bad faith.

[Hectic]

My God. Why would you do this to me, Raya. Gonna have to re-quote that now so people know I'm serious.

I don't think my point on Nauci is bad at all. Why should I be "paranoid" as town if she goes for someone who isn't me? It may be the same slot, but it's a different person.

If I'm town, and I think I'm the most likely lynch, and I see my top scumread vote somewhere else, my first thought is not "oh they must be town then" but "they are trying to be off the mislynch wagon." Failing to think of that possibility suggests you were never really that invested in thinking Elmo was scum.

But she's moving to push gibus and lynch him instead. So as scum, she'd still be on a mislynch wagon?

I was paranoid of you in those games too! The only time I wasn't suspicious of you was when I was scum. In Butterfly Mafia I was half-convinced you were about to off me Night 1 and then sail to an easy win. I know you do this in all your games and I'm not saying it's particularly a reason to scumread you here, but you wanted to know my progression on you and that paranoia is a part of it. It's not part of my case, and accusing me of bad faith for answering a question you asked is obnoxious.

Well, you used it as a reason to scumread me. You specified you have difficulty reading the real intentions of my posts, when this clearly shouldn't be the case (the even post thing). Others have had no difficult parsing my posts, so I doubt you of everyone in this playerlist is the person to bring this up as a point against me if you were town.

You also said this:

I know posts like 68 and 212 are just playing around but others don't necessarily pick up on that, and it causes them to make bad reads.

Have you seen this happen? I haven't. I've seen people understand the even post thing and even play along with me. This is why I think you're presenting this in bad faith.

Sorry for the confusion, everyone.

[Hectic]

You need to claim the exact role, Umlaut. If you just say "investigative PR", you can get away with living while scum, because town can't counterclaim you.

[Hectic]

[Hectic]

This is a post on the top of the page.

[Hectic]

Unless the PRs are exactly masons, that means you can't be counterclaimed by any town PR, because every other PR is paired with some "investigative PR" in one of the boxes.

Town absolutely can counterclaim you if you're scum. You might claim a role which doesn't fit with one of the town PR's roles. There's a reason the newbie setup is built this way, and why it's standard practice to fullclaim. Because scum can be counterclaimed unless they get lucky. I really don't like how you're trying to get away with this.

[Hectic]

[Hectic]

The way you've claimed:

Unless the PRs are exactly masons, that means you can't be counterclaimed by any town PR, because every other PR is paired with some "investigative PR" in one of the boxes.

If you full claim:

Town absolutely can counterclaim you if you're scum. You might claim a role which doesn't fit with one of the town PR's roles. There's a reason the newbie setup is built this way, and why it's standard practice to fullclaim. Because scum can be counterclaimed unless they get lucky. I really don't like how you're trying to get away with this.[/quote]

[Hectic]

You definitely need to full claim now, Umlaut. Stop delaying please.

[Hectic]

Yeah, the day 1 mass claim is pretty strong nowadays.

[Hectic]

Snowblaze? Does that work with your role? You shouldn't claim what it is.

[Hectic]

I am not a gunsmith.

[Hectic]

Hang on, Snowblaze: If you're VT or a role that fits with Umlaut, say you're not CCing him. Otherwise, CC.

Same goes to everyone else in this game.

[Hectic]

I don't know who you're mixing me up with, Umlaut, but I never fakeclaim. It's incredibly anti-town and frankly a bannable offence.

[Hectic]

Unless the PRs are exactly masons, that means you can't be counterclaimed by any town PR, because every other PR is paired with some "investigative PR" in one of the boxes.

After thinking about it, this could be TMI. Hectic says there's no "other" PR that can counterclaim me, but neglects the possibility that someone other than myself could be a Cop or Tracker. Did you forget I was scum for a minute there?

The "other" there is in reference to the "any town PR" bit before that.

[Hectic]

Oh, I see what you mean. I didn't notice cop can't be paired with investigatives. Tracker could if you count Jailkeeper as a sort of investigative.

[Hectic]

£_£

[Hectic]

Tracker can be paired with the friendly neighbour as well.

This suspense is killing me. Come online, people.

[Hectic]

If I gladiate, we'd get a 24 hour extension if I'm understanding my role correctly.

[Hectic]

We're both at L-2. gibus is only at one 1 vote now.

Snowblaze made it sound like Umalut was lying by simply claiming an "investigative" role. Really need her to come back and confirm that her role doesn't work with Umlaut's claim.

[Hectic]

It sounded like a CC to me because she hasn't had that confident tone in any of her other posts. My first thought at the time was masons.

[Hectic]

I could be interested, but there's not long before deadline and

I'm not going to be around for very much longer

. I need to be certain the numbers are there before I switch.

Just got time to check in and VOTE: Umlaut

Umlaut is lying. Lynch him.

It's possible she's not coming back from these posts tbh, she might have been signing off for the night or something.

If she doesn't come back, Umlaut should be the lynch. 455 looks like a CC. She's had a consistent uncertain/paranoid tone the whole game. The confidence there looks like she

knows

Umlaut is scum. If there are masons, I'd rather not have the other mason have to claim as well for a CC.

[Hectic]

[Hectic]

I skimmed through her posting history and she's never posted close to these hours. I think she's asleep lul

Let's lynch my old friend Umlaut. He's very likely scum.

[Hectic]

Sigh, that would be so bad.

Need any of [Homura, Turtle, gibus, M2H] to come online before deadline.

[Hectic]

Day One will end in

(expired on 2020-06-21 10:30:00)

.

For anyone checking the thread, we don't have long. Umlaut first claimed an "investigative role" and then tracker. Snowblaze heavily implied she was CCing him and then signed off for the night here:

Umlaut is lying. Lynch him.

She's probably a mason. We need you to switch to him so we can lynch him.

[Hectic]

Thank God. I checked your post history and noticed you were active around about this time... turns out you were just cruelly spectating the chaos.

[Hectic]

VOTE: Hectic

This has more chance of going through and

there is no reason for you you as scum to put yourself on the line like this if Hectic is town.

You'd better not let Snowblaze get away with this tomorrow by saying "gee I never meant that as a cc" if you're going to lynch me based on reading it as one.

Pretty sure you're just flipping scum here, my friend.

[Hectic]

Homura could've lurked it out and maybe forced a lynch onto me, so it's definitely anti-partner equity for that.

I think partner is probably in [gibus, turtle, N2H].

[Hectic]

She wasn't active in any other games today, but I did notice that she's usually online and posting around these hours in the past.

[Hectic]

You're evil for making me a little anxious again, Umlaut. You better be trolling and flipping scum.

[Hectic]

I wouldn't read too much into activity to be honest. Sometimes I disappear a whole day simply because I'm tired or not in the mood to play

True, I do the same. I usually try and pop on before deadlines though.

[Hectic]

[Hectic]

gg! Shame about the modspew but these things happen. This was a quality playerlist and I would love to play with any of you again in the future!

I can't believe I was wrong on Snowblaze being the cult leader though. Absolutely gutted.