Mini Normal 2148 (Post Game)

[geraintm]

Hello all. Think I've just finished a game with a few of you.

Today is the 12th

[geraintm]

Town or scum im enjoying hk-50 commitment for posting style.

this was the 12th post afer mine VOTE: notscience

[geraintm]

You’re a towel

so very very useful?

I don't get to look at mafia much at the weekends, 5 pages of I have no clue what arguing about ?

Glad I am missing it...

you all do you, i'm going to wait until things become more clear

[geraintm]

You know I’m glad I played a game with you before because that comment is just eh.

Yeah, I'm glad there are a few people here I've played with so my day1ness wont be too much of a problem

[geraintm]

OK, I'm halfway through the pages. Making progress!

Would like to know how many scum are typically in a 13 player game though? 2? 3? Or 4? I am guessing 3, but not sure.

I am assuming 3

[geraintm]

VOTE: Geraintm

Absolutely nothing in their ISO thus far points to scumhunting, and I do not like that. Especially paired together with their commitment to stalling that they admitted to in 108 by saying "you all do you, i'm going to wait until things become more clear."

That does not settle right with me at all.

I have nothing at the moment. day 1 people talk but it doesn't mean anything. votes are the important thing and there just haven't been many so far. I'm very much the type of person who looks at people's voting patterns and trying to either spot inconsistencies or really, really bad logic used to justify them

when I say you all do you, it is just me saying I don't have the mental capacity to argue over perceived slights, misunderstandings or whatever

[geraintm]

VOTE: Geraintm

Absolutely nothing in their ISO thus far points to scumhunting, and I do not like that. Especially paired together with their commitment to stalling that they admitted to in 108 by saying "you all do you, i'm going to wait until things become more clear."

That does not settle right with me at all.

I have nothing at the moment. day 1 people talk but it doesn't mean anything. votes are the important thing and there just haven't been many so far. I'm very much the type of person who looks at people's voting patterns and trying to either spot inconsistencies or really, really bad logic used to justify them

when I say you all do you, it is just me saying I don't have the mental capacity to argue over perceived slights, misunderstandings or whatever

Fervently disagree with D1 meaning nothing, and the reason why is because I have formed my best reads historically off D1 insights. It is possible to find an entire scum team on D1, and in that regard time has proven that my D1 reads are often my best of any day phase.

Why can't you read votes that have already occurred in this day phase and analyze them?

DAy 1 means little at the time. on later days of the game there might be useful info.
you may well be able to catch scum teams on day 1, I am not that good a player to do that. as I said, you all do you but for me, Day 1 is just weird until some wagons form and I can see who is on them and who isn't.

[geraintm]

Would it help you to encourage different wagons to form then in order to try and see how things evolve?

That is an excellent idea.

Wagons Assemble!!!!

{Did I do it right?}

[geraintm]

Just noting that the vote on Votato is now L-2.

Be careful adding another vote, because votato could self-hammer, or someone else could before we get the chance to hear back from Votato, ending the day phase sooner than preferable.

Really? You think scum would self hammer on day 1? Dislike this post a lot, it is just like a drawing attention to themselves post, trying to make themselves look useful and pro town

[geraintm]

so i painstakingly went over geraintm's entire ISO. there isnt even a an attempt to pretend to scumhunt. that slot definitely deserves pressure, but he is so brazen that I'm guessing town over scum actually. maybe. i dunno, its worth voting there and forcing some effort out of the slot.

you can try, but it won't force meto change.
I basically worked out that I hate day 1s, and I am better off being honest and upfront about this to people. I'd rather that than having to try and fake reads on players just to dovert attention from myself. i believe people should play honest, and so that is what i do

[geraintm]

so i painstakingly went over geraintm's entire ISO. there isnt even a an attempt to pretend to scumhunt. that slot definitely deserves pressure, but he is so brazen that I'm guessing town over scum actually. maybe. i dunno, its worth voting there and forcing some effort out of the slot.

The dunn thing does actually seem like a plausible scumslip.

am I allowed to quote from another game in this game?
if you go look at my last game you'll find the same there

[geraintm]

Is this the only example you have of him actively reading the thread? A quick response to the very last post, not directed at him, doesn't scream to me as actively monitoring the thread.

I am pretty sure I answered that just as I was going to bed, it was something I could do quickly

[geraintm]

GC has a fair point, geraintm is still voting not science based off RVS reasoning, which is just a very lazy vote park that is not seemingly going to get us anywhere this day phase. I'm not real fond of it.

it is lazy. i'll move it though when i have somewhere better to move it to. i am notgoing to move it simply for the sake of moving it. that is the sort of thing i dislike others doing so i am not going to do it myself

[geraintm]

I remember the first time I played with you where getting a read on you was like trying to get blood out of stone.

sorry. but I was town then and I am the same now if that akes you feel any better

[geraintm]

I remember the first time I played with you where getting a read on you was like trying to get blood out of stone.

What was his alignment?

town. bad town, but I was town

[geraintm]

thought I would lok over Dunnstral, as they are currently the biggest wagon.

they are throwing arounda bunch of "they are mafia" posts very easily.
they have a few posts where they say they think someone is town.

they seem a bit trigger happy with their calling people scum, but overall...nothing here I am too upset about yet.

[geraintm]

I remember the first time I played with you where getting a read on you was like trying to get blood out of stone.

I have never seen something more accurate.

you were scum and I was town!!!
how hard could it have been?!

[geraintm]

in the corresponding scum slot

Also, I cannot express enough how bad it is to try to fill up scum team slots in D1. Associative suspicions are practically worthless in D1 without flips.

I like this post

[geraintm]

woah, Canyons is not letting this drop. I am not sure what to make of this *right now* but I want to keep it in mind for later in the game when we know more about canyons and Battle Mage/their replacement.

it seems overly forced

[geraintm]

You have my name wrong.

that is true. Sorry.
I hope we are keeping score as I reckon I am going to win this game when we are all done and dusted

[geraintm]

I find it weird that geraintm and dunn are suddenly coming out of the woodwork sticking up for BM, and dunn has already stuck up against geraintm being lynched, and geraintm weakly against dunn? Anyone else find this strange?

I didn't feel like I was coming out of the woodwork. I was only commenting on something I found odd. it wasn't sticking up for battle mage, instead on the attack coming from the other way

[geraintm]

Could be trying to deflect it also so as it doesn't look like a counterwagon

I'm right here....you could ask me

[geraintm]

Could be trying to deflect it also so as it doesn't look like a counterwagon

I'm right here....you could ask me

Why is your vote on someone who is hella not suspicious.

Because I placed a random vote and I have not found anywhere better to move it to yet.

[geraintm]

woah, Canyons is not letting this drop. I am not sure what to make of this *right now* but I want to keep it in mind for later in the game when we know more about canyons and Battle Mage/their replacement.

it seems overly forced

So germa your first real read is to say that green isn't letting his BM read go. And that it feels forced. But what about it feels forced to you? And the fact your implying its something he should drop. Does that mean you think greens push itself is scummy or just misguided?

So what is your read on both green and BM?

Now at the moment my gut feeling on green is whether right or wrong on BM, greens read does feel genuine. As I'm not surprised a fellow townie wouldnt drop his read if he thinks it has not properly been addressed. In another game I got exasperated when a player I was sure was scum kept dodging my questions. And everyone else was just ignoring it.

Felt forced because it was too strong for any day 1 read. No one should feel that strongly on day 1 about anything. Means nothing about battle mage alignment. May mean nothing about crayons. But I wanted to note it for later if we find out anything about wither one of their alignments.

As I said, I dont know what it means. Could be just that crayons is overly confident in their reads and I need to note that later on when they are "sure" someone is scum

[geraintm]

[quote="In post 622

This sounds hella fence-sitty[/quote]
yeah, sorry

[geraintm]

So I’m prob gonna leave Gera alone at least for D1. I don’t really like the “I’m bad at D1”, but I do know where’s he’s been and I have experienced it. I just don’t want to let that be a smokescreen for him being scum.

I get it, I do. I want to be better at day 1s, and pester me by all means on my thoughts, and i'll do my best to give them.

[geraintm]

thought i'd look at the leading wagon at the moment.
Dunnstral had a weird Malakittens fetish at the start of the game. wasn't a fan of that.

I like their post 578 though, it is the sort of thing I pick up on (occasionaly). you just get a weird vibe from someone.

overall, fairly null on them. they started off weird, then ducked from the game, and then popped up to vote for Not_mafia

[geraintm]

just looked at Not_mafia's posts.
urgh hate them.

spewing votes around, just a ton of "this person is scum" with nothing to back it up

Votato's GC vote was really bad

This random post, no idea how they can object to anyone else's votes.

find this slot incredibly unhelpful and providing no value. think this is the person I would most want to not be in day 2 so far

[geraintm]

Not sure why mala, votato, gerain, or bob are still voting for who they are voting.

Could be trying to deflect it also so as it doesn't look like a counterwagon

I'm right here....you could ask me

Why is your vote on someone who is hella not suspicious.

Because I placed a random vote and I have not found anywhere better to move it to yet.

I have answered your question already

[geraintm]

Like, 637 suggests you would at least want to vote NM instead of your random vote.

But nope.

Are you paralyzed by doubt? Lazy? Scum? Who knows!

You *not* updating your vote is going to make sorting you much more difficult in later days.

doubt I guess. I want my vote to actually mean something. i'd rather everyone placed fully formed votes, rather than people who place 27 in a day. that isn't helpful either when trying to sort them. at least you know when I vote I mean it.

[geraintm]

Surely there is some middle ground between a "fully formed vote"--which, this is mafia, so ????--and "plac[ing] 27 in a day."


What do you think about a Dunn vote?

sorry for absence over weekend. I kept looking in and thinking about posting, but I have limited access and a few short one liners would not have been acceptable.

there may be a middle ground, but I have not found a comfortable one for myself.

[geraintm]

Like, 637 suggests you would at least want to vote NM instead of your random vote.

But nope.

Are you paralyzed by doubt? Lazy? Scum? Who knows!

You *not* updating your vote is going to make sorting you much more difficult in later days.

doubt I guess. I want my vote to actually mean something. i'd rather everyone placed fully formed votes, rather than people who place 27 in a day. that isn't helpful either when trying to sort them. at least you know when I vote I mean it.

Germa there is one thing not voting until you're sure, if there is plenty of time still till deadline but it's entirely different not giving reads either way. There are 13 players in this game and one of them is you. I find it impossible if your town that you haven't at the very least got some slight reads. Maybe not strong reads but reads at least slightly off null.


Clearly one vote is not enough pressure to get you to actually post some basic content. At this stage you have less committal content then bambi last game. And we collectively let him lurk that game.

If you're not scum then. Not even giving us some basic reads makes it harder for us to sort you. Risking us being tricked into mislynching you.

I have posted a few times when I have seen something that I didn't like the look of, and I think I have gone over 2 players who were with high vote counts.

[geraintm]

Can you see my points here? Anything you disagree with or cannot understand?

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I also agree with Mala that I also would not want you to skate through this game as scum behind what would be a lazy facade here for scum to implement. And I also used to be mislynched a lot D1, or at the very least was very much mislynch bait like Mala said she has been as town, but I have certainly become a more difficult D1 lynch as town over time.

you make valid points....but I am not going to vote for the sake of it. I feel awful when I get bamboozled into a vote/lynch because of pressure when I don't want to vote for soeone, I just want to avoid that as much as I can when I don't want to vote for someone.
when I do think someone is vote worthy, I will stick with them for a long long time - see my last game with trollie

[geraintm]

OK. No discussion since earlier? How about a simpler version of my cases.

Ok, done.

I need 24 hours to work on my reads (I'll post tomorrow).

Lie. No follow through (which in this case is anti-town).

Taking a break

for an hour

. Starting to fall into scumthreaditious

Lie. No follow through. Took over a day only to state another reason, which might be genuine, but also notably allows him not to post any content to avoid a prod.

I'm sorry, but I'm not really motivated rn with this game (and I'm not white sure why).

I'll try to self-motivated myself tonight.

Might have

lied again, as he did not post at all after that during that night.

i have a little but i cant talk about it. by day 2 or 3 ill probably give some more details. as for the association you're drawing between me and dunn, stun, you're right that we aren't scumbuddies, but i dont think your reasons why are all that strong.

plus the only reason you know that is cuz you and i are scumbuddies

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wrong thread

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Lies. Tries to implicate me in case he flips, since he was the leading wagon.

meh. I aint that motivated either. please add me to this list

[geraintm]

They have all three lied. Lynch all liars. Lying about simple and clear intentions with no follow-through and lying to implicate me is what can be considered scummy here. Simple as that.

OTOH, Dunn has

not

made one single blatant lie in this game. You can ISO everything he has said to confirm that there is no blatant lie. That's the difference between town and scum I think in this particular game.

Not that the "lynch all liars" approach always works, but in this case I think it leads us to the correct solve.

lying is one thing, saying you aim to post and not going through with it is a totally different thing. back off I think. you really don't want to be this aggressive over small things, where do you go from here??

[geraintm]

@HK: I like that you responded. The one alternative scenario right now where I can see you are town would mean to me a scum team of BM/Clidd-Votato-and Geraintm. Like, I really feel good enough about everyone else to assert that I feel fairly confident that all 4 scum are in those 4 folks, with BM and Votato being a super obvious pair. I can't see those two not being partners. Too much of a clear link to be coincidental.

It would be only after those 4 are lynched that I would want to see a potential Dunnstral/nm lynch.

I really want your response to this though:

@HK50, how do you feel about the alignments of Clidd and Votato? And why?

I will respond to the rest of your case either tomorrow or the following day.

your level of certainty on DAy 1 I find bizarre. I basically cannot take your seriously as aplayer because of this. why should I trust any of your reads if you claim to have solved the game already??

[geraintm]

This vote situation appears tricky...It's 4 vs. 4, and 3 more votes are needed to secure either lynch. The 2 sides seem pretty set overall. Off of the wagons, we have 2 of my scumspects I don't think will move (Clidd and Votato), and then Geraintm and Dunn who are on useless wagons right now.

see, this is what I hate, I feel alredy under pressure to join a wagon I don't want to

[geraintm]

If Clidd flukily flips town, we lynch Dunn, guaranteed tomorrow.

nope

that townflip is not going to happen, I am that convinced, which is why I am willing to offer that.

posts like this ^^^

[geraintm]

Should Dunnstral and Clidd's slot role claim? Why or why not?

nope. stupid idea
man I dislike everything you are posting. I aint saying you are scum, but I disagree with nearly all your posts

[geraintm]

this read list won me over on GC.

dislike this post. shouldn't be changing your mind on someone's quick read list like that

you are not in my town pile

[geraintm]

As notsci will tell you, most anti town behavior comes from town

huh?

[geraintm]

Why has the BM slot not been lynched yet?

Dunn vote clidd

this posted whilst they were not voting clidd of course

HK vote clidd

or this

Ok I'm caught up. It seems like a lot of people scum read bm but not that many people are actually voting there. VOTE: bm. Can we get this wagon rolling?

This is a bad vote

not sure why this is a bad vote, considering they spent posts 155/178/185/195

not mafia sucks

[geraintm]

You suck

this is true, but I am not trying to spread my suckiness

[geraintm]

Hm, when was the last time geraintm placed a vote...

Town or scum im enjoying hk-50 commitment for posting style.

this was the 12th post afer mine VOTE: notscience

yep. not seen anyone so far in this game I am confident is scum. there aren't even many people I want lynched for other reasons like not being useful.

[geraintm]

Hm, when was the last time geraintm placed a vote...

Town or scum im enjoying hk-50 commitment for posting style.

this was the 12th post afer mine VOTE: notscience

yep. not seen anyone so far in this game I am confident is scum. there aren't even many people I want lynched for other reasons like not being useful.

Ok so you want to tell us who you think is scum. You might claim to say you aren't confident but even that would not prevent you from saying, who you weakly feel is scum. Nor even who you do not want to lynch at all.

So far all this game you have been refusing to make choices. Insisting on sitting on the fence the entire day.

So if you are town then:

A who do you weakly scum read?
And
B who do you not want to lynch today at all?

Even the latter is still a choice you have not yet even after 8 days made.

I replied to this but it got lost

I had not mafia as bad, I hated all his posts saying BM was scum, sure of it, then pushing everyone else to vote elsewhere before they moved their own vote.

and I dislike stungun, I cannot deal with anyone so sure of all their reads, I will bash heads at some point against them.

rest no huge feelings any which way

[geraintm]

I don't think you should be allowed to proxy your vote in normals

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk

Agree

[geraintm]

We have one day left in this day phase and about 5 hours, which means

@Porkens: it is really important that you claim in your next post so that if your role is important to us that are town, we can keep you and have more time to make a well-informed decision to move elsewhere.

I hate cdemands for claims like this. it never seems to help. if it is scum, they can flush out someone else or else send town onto a wild lynch chase that won't go anywhere good. if it is town...how is getting them to claim and out themselves going to help?

[geraintm]

yeah, geraintm, are you just against role claims as a matter of policy until the end of the game?

no, but asking for a claim when it isn't going to be much use for town...I hate those scenarios. like when someone is at L-1 and someone has announced intent to hammer....like what use is a claim there? claims should not be expected when someone is close to a lynch, claims should come when they are useful to town. these are not the same.

now, someone can claim when they are close to being lynch if they believe that coming forward with their role is in towns best interests, but it should not come from people about to lynch them.

I would like to point out that I can't rememeber the last time I had a role where I would need to claim...so this is all hypothetical for me

[geraintm]

I think you are overthinking if you are town here. Porkens and his supposed scumteam might not have even thought about that. They might have just gone with what was conveniently there so they would not be refuted/denied and lose a scum mate on D1. They want to protect him, because there is only supposedly 3 scum/13 players in this game.

Losing a member on D1 is a huge risk, any way you slice it, and so claiming something that could be refuted would possibly be seen as a bad move to them

This reads like you know scum have daytalk.

I don't know if I believe in scum slips but jeeze.

I don't like this right here at all. What angle do you have to be coming from to assume that "I know scum has daytalk" from this post? Like, how are you interpreting that from this? It's definitely a

stretch

to get that conclusion from this post.

just going to say, I didn't realise that this might be seen as a slip. I just assume all scum can talk at any time.

[geraintm]

VOTE: GC

I know one of these wagons between Porkens/GC has to flip scum -- because I can't possibly comprehend this game just does not make sense to me.

so close....

I can never understand people so certain of their reads. no one should (without info from teir role) be certain of anything
I include myself in this

[geraintm]

Geraintm I don’t know how to feel because I don’t like him saying we need to prod him to be better day one even though he really wants to improve but I’m not sure it’s necessarily scummy

I am kinda getting happier with my day 1 now. as in I am happy just not having good reasons to lynch anyone ever. can no lynch day 1 be a thing, that can be better for town than randomly lynching someone, right?

[geraintm]

I think I have formed an opinionon stungun. I think they are likely town. I just have them down as vastly overconfident townie, pushing lynches, rather than scum trying to lead everyone to a bad lynch.

[geraintm]

Neat.

I've already tried to get you to engage with my BM suspicions. You've ignored me. I also just expounded on them. You're ignoring that as well.

Just a minute. I will look over it.

in the corresponding scum slot

Also, I cannot express enough how bad it is to try to fill up scum team slots in D1. Associative suspicions are practically worthless in D1 without flips.

Things like this have worked for me before on D1. I can remember a few times I have done it before off the top of my head, but there probably are more somewhere.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10269994

I made a hot take that all scum were in a group of 4 players, which actually ended up being correct, because all three scum were in that group of players.

Now granted, I replaced out of that game early, but when I get a strong intuition about scum on D1, my past games have proven that I am best to follow it.

Also did it in another game on D1 here
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10373659
And my later intuition that Kokichi was clearly the scum between the two after analyzing everyone on D1 was correct.

I can remember another game on another site that I had really really strong reads on all the scum on D1, so all I am saying is if I get really strong intuitions that something is the case on D1, I have yet to see/don't recall that it has been proven wrong. I have been consistent in how I have formed those reads too; it seems it has helped more than hurt town.

having seen nearly a whole day of stungun's posts, I can understand why he believes he is so good at findin scum on day 1. they have around so many ideas today that,like a stopped clock, they are bound to be right at some point.
just, I cannot work out which 95% of their posts I am meant to ignore to find the gold

[geraintm]

literally 11 of your last 21 posts were responses to me. are you focusing on me and no one else?

I don't think anyone else is really talking to me much, s i'll reply when talked to

[geraintm]

My pool is a mix of three factors:

Ger+stun circa 274
Stun+Dunn+vot circa 389 (targeting GC)
Bob circa the first 30pages not expressing one firm read then calling Dunn town. Also votato and stun both have bob town.

273 and 274? Really, that's what ypive got?

Sorry for absence, wife's birthday here and hottest day of the year

[geraintm]

Germa we are at the eleventh hour of the day. With no lynch approaching and yet you are still on your vanity vote. You keep saying shogun is wrong but who do you think is the best lynch today. Because as it stands we are a poaching the deadline and porkens is the lead lynch. Followed by dun and green.

Do you see a no lynch as better than lynching Porkens?

As if you are town that what your lack of anything but vanity vote is contributing too.


As most of your posts have been about how you don't like shoguns pushes but you have not come up with any of your own. So who do you want to lynch today? That is a realistic prospect.

Yeah , I do think no lynch is better than a bad lynch. Odds for town tomorrow are better at 9/12 than 8/11

[geraintm]

Hmm, one more thought I'd like to put out there right now.

I think it is highly unlikely scum is aiding us towards a lynch right now given that the wagon of Porkens has only 3 votes, and I think if they were really pushing someone, there would be a majority with more than 3 votes right now.

Thus, it is highly unlikely there is more than one scum on the Porkens lynch right now, and if I am reading this right they may all be town (Mala, bob, Vot? (still have a slight question mark there, but this does provide a little reason to believe he is town).

Funny, I count three scum on my wagon

3 does not equal 3

[geraintm]

this day has dragged on far too long. it needs to end so we can get some flips and move past day 1. i really dont care who we lynch all that much at this point.

Quoting this for no reason

[geraintm]

i like Porkens posting

I do think his flip would be very informative associative wise, though.

Well...this is a bad reason to lynch someone day 1

[geraintm]

Scratchings is Prokens and votato is Maris, for obvious reasons

Not obvious to me. Not helpful.reading a thread

[geraintm]

Mala I’ll sheep you if you’re confident just give me a shout

Posts like this move people from the town side to non town

[geraintm]

My current vote is useless right now, hmm where do I put it?

Why should I vote Votato?

For someone so sure of all their reads, to give up like this and wanting to be led to a lynch....
Bad

[geraintm]

Yeah im not dealing with any more assholes

mod replace me.

Ah man. I didnt even think this game was that bad. And I've been in one or two. Sorry you are not having fun

[geraintm]

This might even suggest some scum are in the passive players group

All 3 scum won’t be passive or it’s a sure fire loss for them and they know it

You need 1 agg 1 pass 1 in between

Cant play a game with such simplistic reads on the meta. You'll get trapped sooner or later. Usually sooner

[geraintm]

My pool is a mix of three factors:

Ger+stun circa 274
Stun+Dunn+vot circa 389 (targeting GC)
Bob circa the first 30pages not expressing one firm read then calling Dunn town. Also votato and stun both have bob town.

273 and 274? Really, that's what ypive got?

Sorry for absence, wife's birthday here and hottest day of the year

This is so dismissive. What’s wrong with the case? Can you articulate in words? Can you point out where you have put in more analysis?

Did you read my 273. It was a joke. Nothing more. There was zero content to it. It was meant to have zero content. How anyone can get a read from it baffles me

[geraintm]

Yeah , I do think no lynch is better than a bad lynch. Odds for town tomorrow are better at 9/12 than 8/11

Wait.

What the actual hell?

Not only should you know better that no lynches are bad,

but also a no lynch

would specifically undermine your ability to be productive

, as you have said your bad/lazy in D1 because there is no flip to work off of.

If we no lynch, then there's no flip for D2. And you're going to be just as bad.

There is no flip, but someone of town will leave the night with more info than we went in with. I think the little info we get on who voted for the lynch isnt worth losing a member of the town. I cant recall the last game I was in that scum was lynched night one. Why sacrifice a townie?

[geraintm]

thought I would lok over Dunnstral, as they are currently the biggest wagon.

they are throwing arounda bunch of "they are mafia" posts very easily.
they have a few posts where they say they think someone is town.

they seem a bit trigger happy with their calling people scum, but overall...nothing here I am too upset about yet.

I think this is the post where I defended Dunn.
I remember feeling like I really should look over people in the game, and looking at the person with the most votes was the obvious place to start. If everyone else was thinking they were scummy, could I see it too? Maybe join the wagon.

I looked. I saw nothing to get upset about. And said so.
I wouldn't say it was a hard felt defence of them though. I didnt try and start an alternative wagon on anyone, it was just me going Meh to it

[geraintm]

Would it help you to encourage different wagons to form then in order to try and see how things evolve?

That is an excellent idea.

Wagons Assemble!!!!

{Did I do it right?}

This post is clearly a joke. Did you read it and think it was serious?

[geraintm]

Germa we are at the eleventh hour of the day. With no lynch approaching and yet you are still on your vanity vote. You keep saying shogun is wrong but who do you think is the best lynch today. Because as it stands we are a poaching the deadline and porkens is the lead lynch. Followed by dun and green.

Do you see a no lynch as better than lynching Porkens?

As if you are town that what your lack of anything but vanity vote is contributing too.


As most of your posts have been about how you don't like shoguns pushes but you have not come up with any of your own. So who do you want to lynch today? That is a realistic prospect.

Yeah , I do think no lynch is better than a bad lynch. Odds for town tomorrow are better at 9/12 than 8/11

I think this together with your point of not claiming today is scummy. You are pretty high on my lynch list next day phase, and I hope others see what I am seeing here too. Both are anti-town perspectives.

It isnscummy to want more town to be alive on day 2?
How is that anti town?

[geraintm]

Germa we are at the eleventh hour of the day. With no lynch approaching and yet you are still on your vanity vote. You keep saying shogun is wrong but who do you think is the best lynch today. Because as it stands we are a poaching the deadline and porkens is the lead lynch. Followed by dun and green.

Do you see a no lynch as better than lynching Porkens?

As if you are town that what your lack of anything but vanity vote is contributing too.


As most of your posts have been about how you don't like shoguns pushes but you have not come up with any of your own. So who do you want to lynch today? That is a realistic prospect.

Yeah , I do think no lynch is better than a bad lynch. Odds for town tomorrow are better at 9/12 than 8/11

I think this together with your point of not claiming today is scummy. You are pretty high on my lynch list next day phase, and I hope others see what I am seeing here too. Both are anti-town perspectives.

It isnscummy to want more town to be alive on day 2?
How is that anti town?

With a 2006 registration date, you're telling me you've never had this theory discussion about D1 no lynches?

I had a huge break in my games, I think this is my 3rd non newbie game back, and one of those I dropped out of.

[geraintm]

Germa I can't believe you would rather a no lynch over porkens.

If you were town I would have thought if you didnt want to lynch porkens because you genuinely town read him you would have gone for some who you thought was scum. To stop the lynch of a player you thought was town. And not simply vanity voted.

If you are town. Instead you want to simply kick the can down the road. Letting scum have a free kill with us losing a mislynch. Our chance at actual killing scum.

I dont scum read porkens. I am fairly sure I have never said I think he is. So why would I want him dead? You all do you though, and you can use the info I didnt want him lynched as you wish.

And you say our chance to lynch scum....I just dont see it. Not fay 1. Scum just push over confident townies to mislhnches

[geraintm]

I would be up for germa. If he is town i fear what will happen last game will happen again.

In last day he held off voting till last day and we ended up lynchign our rolestopper. Day 4 his vote was dead log. So we were in effect already in lylo and it allowed scum to play off a tvtvt situation. And make us think out of two it was him that was the scum.

Dont blame me for last game. Scum fake claimed halfway through and it got multiple townies.
That game, once I got into the game I did have proper reads on people. It just so happened that I got totally outplayed

[geraintm]

In teh first game he kept saying. He was happy with any lynch. and that was big reason he got run up that game. So for him to say he wants no lynch is very out of character

Call it evolution. I wish games started after night 1, not day 1. I find day 1s dull, full of people too confident in their own reads and I'd be happier if we all just skipped past it

[geraintm]

we dont have time to get a claim and properly evaluate gerain. ill compromise on the wagon if needed, but porkens is a good wagon.

In the interests of time, I am more than happy to say now that I will not be claiming any role today. Does that make things easier for you?

[geraintm]

Mabinogion, please vote for Scratchings

I assume this is meant for me. Please dont use code though i find it unhelpful. I was once in a game and someone was using an alt account but most people were using their normal and I ruined me

[geraintm]

we dont have time to get a claim and properly evaluate gerain. ill compromise on the wagon if needed, but porkens is a good wagon.

In the interests of time, I am more than happy to say now that I will not be claiming any role today. Does that make things easier for you?

This right here... is scum trying to use power to their advantage.
It is antitown to not help us and claim if your back is against the wall.

It is not anti town. I have said that I will not be claiming any role today. That is very clear.

You style of player I need to give a name too, because whatever type of is I will bash heads with. Overconfident townie is what I have you pegged as, and for some reason I rile these players up so badly. Right up to fake cop claims.

[geraintm]

In teh first game he kept saying. He was happy with any lynch. and that was big reason he got run up that game. So for him to say he wants no lynch is very out of character

What is this first game that you're referencing?

Did he say that in D1?

Also.

What.

"Gerain did X in another game as town. Doing X got him lynched."

"Gerain is not doing not-X. That means he's scum."

Wouldn't Gerain, regardless of alignment, not keep doing X that got him lynched as town?

i didnt get him lynched though. last game scum took him to lylo and that first game lylo too. It got him heat true but the wagon didnt last long. And in the last scum just ignored him.

Yeah, I was focused on a town player for ages, and once the claim came in I mentally cleared a scum so they left me alone

[geraintm]

About to eat tea, sonsilence for a few hours due to that

[geraintm]

Well, that's annoying I guess. Bound to get lynched day 1 eventually. I dont apologise for my day 1 mehness.
Go town then I guess. I would suggest you look at how that wogon formed on me in the end.

[geraintm]

I knew at some point today that there was a risk I would get lynched, but I was happy with vanilla townie going than anyone important

[geraintm]

I would be looking at those who jumped to the wagon once it got going. As I said, stun I just have as the type of player who I cannot get along with and rile up to them voting me. They may be scum, but I think toen. The rest of you....if you are town then you need to work out how you get pressured into voting for me.

I didnt jump onto the porkens wagon to get that one finished off instead of me, I didnt read them as scum.

[geraintm]

Good, I found a scum game of his I was reading here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11502149

Similarly, he stuck to an early RVS vote, but then eventually pushed a player that was town with a case that led to that townplayer's lynch. So he held back any other votes until he had that possible sticking gun.

I am happy with where this vote went, and hope he flips scum. Thanks nm for hammering!

I don't see why he wouldn't just fake claim as scum.
But what do I know.

Other people in this game have seen me run up close to a lynch as town, and I didnt flinch then and flail around and try and get a wagon started. I wasnt going to start now.

Day 1s suck, townies suck in them and they dont help town win.

[geraintm]

No if. I will flip town. You all need now to think about your night actions

[geraintm]

There was a dead thread. I've been in it a long long time

[geraintm]

I think mod has to share tbough