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Hello

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Town or scum im enjoying hk-50 commitment for posting style.

He's scum with votato, but I'll let him live for being amusing

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Why? I don't think it really is going to change how we read him.

this was the 12th post after nine VOTE: notscience

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That's what you get for being passive on page 1

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Why is votato part of this sentence?

I vaguely saw his first post as a partner post

You can’t just tell me not to do something and then expect me not to do that thing

That's how the real world works

That's what you get for being passive on page 1

Did you learn your lesson from animal mafia or do you really think NS is scummy?

What lesson applies here?

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Being passive. I called you out day 1 for putting a player at l-1 while you said nothing until then
Id call that pretty damn passive.

I picked up that game though. I post when I'm interested

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Why do people keep telling me not to do things?

Welcome to the real world

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VOTE: Malakittens

You are mafia

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Stop telling me what it doesn't have to be

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VOTE: Malakittens

You are mafia

Por que?

I don't like the way you went about the early game, votato + hk50, and then the notscience vote

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Seems within a reasonable band of emotion if she's not lying that she didn't get the reference that apparently the rest of the player set did.

I didn't get the reference

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I don't want you to apologize, I want you to die

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I don't like the way you went about the early game, votato + hk50, and then the notscience vote

Is this a chronological description of Mala's play?

I'm pointing to what I didn't like.

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I'm not voting mala for not getting a reference, I hope that helps

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I saw battle mage playing similar to this as town.

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I have some ideas and a possible lead on one particular player who I feel is likely to flip scum, but I don't currently want to distract away from both the Dunnstral push and the Geriantm push, because I

really

want to see more from both of them. So, Dunnstral and geriantm, if either of you are town please help me by eliminating yourself as a distraction, and showing pro-town, gamesolving intent.

I think people should be less focused on me, personally

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I wouldn't say he's town, just that he's acted like this as town before and so i don't think he's scummy

Notscience feels town

farside is scummy

Is that the only other read that you have. That you think mala is scum and battle reminds you of one of his town games?


These are the players on your wagon so far:

DoctorPepper, farside22, HK 50, notscience, stungun0404

And the below are on your one claimed town read

Not_Mafia, votato, Green Crayons

While your one scum read is on vot.


And since if you are town you would know that your town. What do you read of the players on the wagons that you know or think or town. And at the same time the wagon of the player that your scum read mala is pushing


corrected a bit of the gramma

I don't have a read on Not_Mafia or votato. Green Crayons is null.

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Where do you think geraintm fits in, if you had to guess?

I don't know, I wouldn't lynch himr ight now

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He looks like town to me

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VOTE: Battle Mage

Battle Mage is today's lynch btw everyone

Battle Mage is definitely scum

Battle Mage must die

Battle Mage/Dunnstral/?

BM is still scum guys

It's possible I guess, but votato or Battle Mage is today's lynch

yeah at this point im fine with a GC or BM lynch.

Cool, join me on BM then

Scum fleeing the scene of the crime ^

VOTE: Not_Mafia

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My case is that his posts suck and he has no reason for his vote in the first place

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Hun im not letting go of my vote on dunn till he explains his scum read on mala and why what she said was scummy when he thought the same thing.
If you continue to let him bypass that he will continue to do shit fucking all to explain

I can understand why you feel that way, but have you played with Dunnstral where he was town before? I know he does things like that sometimes which make him lynchbait as town. I remember two games, in fact, where he seemed like an easy mislynch in games where I was scum.

Yes. We played animal mafia. Day 1 he put a player to l-1 as his first post. He came out a bit more that same game day and put thoughts that made sense and i stopped scum reading him shortly after.
Im not seeing anything similar her. So i will just blame you if hes scum this game since your on a taggent that is completely different then my own thoughts.

Hey guess what

All that came out at deadline when the entire rest of the town was failing to lynch anyone because I alone was inactive, and then I pulled out a lynch

Do I have to do the same thing here?

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If Clidd flukily flips town, we lynch Dunn, guaranteed tomorrow.

nope

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It is becoming hard to imagine that farside is acting in good faith

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I don't intend to hammer Clidd, if the wagon is going to shift to me I'll defend myself.

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How generous of stungun to offer my lynch in case he's wrong on my townread

Let see we are close to deadline and he isn't' making any compromises on a wagon, no he's scum baby.
check here how things were in animal toward the end of day 1

That isn't me compromising, that's me leading a wagon with hours left on deadline because town spent all day phase tunneling on my slot without actually being able to lynch me (same as this game), somebody saying they're not going to do it at deadline, and me switching to another wagon, with everyone following me again

What you should be concerned with is that I was voted day 1 in that game for similarly flimsy reasons (including multiple members of the scum team parking their vote on me)

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Plus I play different as town sometimes. I bet you can't link a scum game similar to this

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Meanwhile, I can link games where I've played clearly differently to how I'm playing right now, and I turned out to be scum

Does that count as concrete meta to you like the case you keep regurgitating, or would it be hand waved away?

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Bc I’ve been drinking and now my neighbors who I was porch chilling with have left, let’s run down the player list.


votato - I’m thinking town but siiigh
bob3141 - leaning town now tbh
DoctorPepper - null bit was thinking town at some point
Not_Mafia- town Honestly not sure how folks can’t see between the lines with his posting.
geraintm - pretty sure town
Ghost Ganster stungun0404 - town Like, annoyingly super town and I say annoyingly because he can get a thought in his head and it might be wrong by gd he runs it down.
Green Crayons - town
farside22 - honestly thinking scum. Sorry <3
HK 50 - town, even tho I don’t k ow where he’s coming from with his fixation on stun
Battle Mage clidd - scum
Malakittens - null. Like if you put a gun to my head I’d slot her town but damn she’s been pretty absent in a way I cannot read
notscience - town. Not even a Q.
Dunnstral - scum

Reorganizing this so it's easier to parse.

Your reads:

Town: Notscience, HK 50, stungun0404, geraintm, Not_Mafia, votato
Leaning or Null Town: bob3141
Null but kind of almost leaning town: DoctorPepper, Malakittens

Scum: Dunnstral, clidd, farside22


hmmm.... these reads stink when you look at them this way. votato liking this is yuck, he only likes it because he's town in this list

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i dont think dunn is the scummiest, but i feel like dunn is a good lynch for info who also has plenty of scum equity

scummy post

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HK's analysis on wagon state falls apart when you consider that most of the town is... town, and they're the ones with majority control of the vote, especially if I'm theoretical scum, so that's one vote tied up.

And anybody who argues for a lynch for information is more often than average scum, which HK also did

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Not_Mafia- town Honestly not sure how folks can’t see between the lines with his posting.

I don't see between the lines, care to explain?

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Hun im not letting go of my vote on dunn till he explains his scum read on mala and why what she said was scummy when he thought the same thing.
If you continue to let him bypass that he will continue to do shit fucking all to explain

It doesn't matter what I thought. I don't have to townread her just because she pushed the same early read as me. I thought the way and timing that she jumped onto it + the notscience stuff at the time was scummy.

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I feel the bold to be pretty spot on. I think if dunn was town he would have been an easy lynch. His vote on nm is lazy as that is how nm is and he avoids discussing anything relevant.

So why can't he be scum, exactly?

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Point one: less resistance on Dunnstral? You mean the wagon that's been here since page 5 that keeps having other bandwagon raise up to try and meet it? That's the textbook example of resistance lol.

Again, obviously like I've been saying, if mafia isnt proactively trying to help town move their votes, then they are ok with the status quo. Understand from my POV what you have been doing in response to Dunnstral's lynch.

This is disingenuous because there's a lot more than two votes moving around. If you think people are manipulating votes, point them out. Don't vaguely gesture while pushing me.

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farside22 - honestly thinking scum. Sorry <3

If town:
-Farside/bob scum equity goes up (this is my bargaining chip. You want to see my little secret? Gotta keep my robot ass alive and flip Dunnstral).

i also have clidd as top scumread. dunn is scummyish, farside is hmmm, maybe scum. gerain is a bit scummy.

There sure are a lot of people with these phantom scumreads on farside22 that:

a) never get explained
b) never get acted on
c) are never reacted to by farside or anyone else pushing me

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I’m still happy with a Dunn lynch tbh. At this point his super early hypocrisy isn’t a deal sealer in term is alignment. But his absolute refusal to engage on this point is troubling. I’ve somewhat thought maybe he’s a PR that’s trying to lay low but at this point when he’s a primary wagon his refusal to speak seems more like scum trying to just get by from not making a stir.

This argument is really bad. It isn't hypocrisy - I don't have to townread someone for having similar reads early, I didn't like how she jumped on.

I'm not going to be hinting towards my role, either. Bringing up that I /may/ be a pr feels like baiting for a reaction.

'Not making a stir'. Can't you guys manage without me for a few days?

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And this wagon on clidd is equally bad. I'm not doing that, I'll tell you guys where we can vote instead:

Not_Mafia
farside22
HK 50
DoctorPepper

Not sure on Green Crayons because while his content is bad I don't personally feel like he's scummy, maybe just looking at the game wrong (and he is, if those are his scumreads)
Malakittens, IDK. Leave her for later
DoctorPepper voted me in post 97 (!) then coasted all day and nobody ever tried to start anything there or even called him out. I get that scum already have a wagon on me going, but really? Not even a passing mention, and geraintm gets some?
Not_Mafia is playing the same way he does as scum. I dare anyone to try to refute me.
farside22 is clearly not engaging in good faith and is instead looking to lynch me today
HK 50 is constantly rehashing old points and his points are

bad

and manipulative

VOTE: farside22

Multiple people have expressed a scumread here, so let's do it. Lynch farside.

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Her vote on not science came after multiple players voted notscience, and then she posted this:

Now taking a deeper look into HT50. If one of Vot or HT50 flips scum I’m ok with them being partnered. This is HT50’s first game. I obv get it that’s it’s an alt account. But the whole knowledge felt off to me

Which felt... manipulative.

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I don't like it because your 3 scumreads are me, clidd, and... farside, and then everyone else has the word town somewhere in there. There isn't an honest null in there - you're playing to too many sides among people you perceive to hold influence, your farside read doesn't make sense as scum with the other 2 of us, and yes, having both me and clidd as scum is lazy and bad

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That's a lie, you were pushing your scum read on votato that game

Well yes, I led a wagon on someone I believed to be scum

And then it clearly wasn't happening due to hard resistance from a certain player, so I led a wagon on someone else who was suspicious who said player would vote

and I'm bad at looking at meta from games I was not part of.

OK.

So asking me to search every game from you while providing no evidence to contradict is not something I should have to do.

I can dig up the games myself, but if you can't read meta off of them there's no point, is there.

No case found that you made, other then what I tunnel, which I did and do.

You are open to having your opinion changed as town. I've seen you tunnel in animals mafia

Again this is not a case and you are just OMGUS at this point.

So again all you are doing is OMGUS to players that push you as a scum read.

When everyone is going insane there isn't much room left to look for sane, reasonable scum hiding among the rest of the players. Also, is it really omgus when over half the playerlist is pushing me? Who am I supposed to push that is an *approved push*?

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farside, you *did* pull scum this time, didn't you?

Why don't you vote her and see who follows?

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Not_Mafia- town Honestly not sure how folks can’t see between the lines with his posting.

I don't see between the lines, care to explain?

You can't just ISO NM. He posts in response to what is actually happening in the game.

All he says is inane things like vote x, x is scum

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11865547

Battle Mage appears to be playing the same in this game as they are in this game

The last post they made in this game was really towny

Clidd lurking out is NAI

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Dunn vote clidd

HK vote clidd

Please vote clidd before your V/LA

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Vote clidd then

Dunn just vote clidd please

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When was the last time clidd actually posted?

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All he says is inane things like vote x, x is scum

Generally in response to X having just posted. So look at X's posts and see if there's something worthwhile to suspect.

I don't understand why this reactionary style is garnerign townreads, especially when no, I don't think that is the case that there is something worthwhile to suspect the majority of the time

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Because, despite you claiming my BM/Clidd vote is lazy and farside saying it's a bad push, I'm an OG believer in a BM vote. I'm happy to vote farside tomorrow, especially if BM/Clidd is scum.

Why not vote farside now?

You think your BM case is more convincing than reading farside's posts right now? Is it just because clidd is closer to the votes needed to lynch?

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Hm, when was the last time geraintm placed a vote...

Town or scum im enjoying hk-50 commitment for posting style.

this was the 12th post afer mine VOTE: notscience

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Most players are voting BM. If you think that player is town why are you not pushing there?

The entire game is voting Me/Clidd, except:

Me
Clidd
geraintm

I could push almost literally anyone and it would be someone on me or clidd

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Why the need to wait to respond to the contractions?

When the game gets boring I start skipping stuff and only responding to what I see. That's what happened.

Because, despite you claiming my BM/Clidd vote is lazy and farside saying it's a bad push, I'm an OG believer in a BM vote. I'm happy to vote farside tomorrow, especially if BM/Clidd is scum.

Why not vote farside now?

You think your BM case is more convincing than reading farside's posts right now? Is it just because clidd is closer to the votes needed to lynch?

You realize there is no case on me right?
Your pushing votes that is based on me voting you and you not responding to me.

The case on you is that your push is bad and I don't have wiggleroom to try to find reasonable scum blending in with unreasonable scum/town

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I'm not scumreading Green crayons from his interaction with me just now, and I wasn't before that either. That vote is a pass from me.

I'll vote somebody else because you are being more flexible.

VOTE: HK 50

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Morning! Will catch up soonest

Ok I’m all caught up through page 1. Dr Pepper and not science had the scummiest entrances, and hk is a townlean.

Page 2 farside good, ghost bad, mal ping scum, hk’s vote on farside terrible.

I’ll do my best to catch up and post tonight

Wow, you caught up on 2 pages. No offense but why replace in if you've got no time for mafia?

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He looks like town to me and I don't want to lynch him

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the countereagon onto GC, the sheeping from tato

None of that has anything to do with me

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Why does a vote for 'scratchings' mean a vote for you Votato?

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tl;dr pigman scumreads me for lurking and then every other reason is something somebody else has done. Why don't you lynch that person instead?

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Really? I'm the worst name on the list in 1376 when you can write about how every other person is scummy but you can't pull anything from my own posts to scumread me off of

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Wouldn't Geraintm have joined a wagon... or is he just that passive

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VOTE: geraintm

I'm not big on a votato lynch

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VOTE: geraintm

I'm not big on a votato lynch

Why gerain?

May be scum, seems to be the only option, I don't like the other option

I want to vote Mala again after looking over their posting this day again

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His attack on pork reads pretty fake.

Not sure what you're talking about.

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Why cant scum take the middle road route (which is realtively normal scum play) and only be active enough to balance influencing the gamestate and not over commiting? Especially if dunn was town and slash or GC/pork was a TvT which plays into their agenda.

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I'm not really sold on HK 50 being scum due to more recent posting that came after my initial vote
There's a lot of people I don't think are scum - Malakittens isn't one of them. And yes, I'll settle on Geraitm too

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Does it not concern you that three counter wagons, including one that you have a potential scum read on all hopped to germ.?

It doesn't matter

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oops

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VOTE: Votato

Before this closes again

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where did you store that post before you posted it today?

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Actually, I shouldn't be encouraging you to post more.

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Post Post #126 (ISO) » Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:27 pm

So, this post came from a pt.

I somehow doubt that he requested a notes pt and then posted in it 126 times.

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This Votato wagon is looking good.

maxwell, I attacked N_M because I wasn't scumreading BM and his posts looked bad.

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This Votato wagon is looking good.

maxwell, I attacked N_M because I wasn't scumreading BM and his posts looked bad.

You realize why that looks bad for you, though, right? Please, give me something more than this.

I've spent all of day 1 getting wagoned for not posting

Then I posted and people moved off of me

Now they're back on me again because my read was wrong, or something to that effect

This Votato wagon is looking good.

maxwell, I attacked N_M because I wasn't scumreading BM and his posts looked bad.

Let’s be real. Your posts and N-M almost looked exactly the same.

I just don’t remember you acting like this during the last game I was scum. Either that or I didn’t catch it.

I don't think my posts look similar to NM posts though

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Now they're back on me again because my read was wrong, or something to that effect

Who is this?

The mass of people voting me, in general. I'm not sure what you guys want from me.

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No.

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Hey guys, I believe the above poster may be aligned with an anti-town faction

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Fuck it, I was going to go over it in detail but I'm not motivated and if Dunnstral's town he's basically worthless anyway (If he actually is scum then DrPepper and HK 50 are basically for sure town)

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dunnstral

How about you vote someone you think is scum instead?

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Your also at E-1 so govern yourself accordingly.

And for my next trick, I'll make these votes disappear

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Give me reason to think you can't be. Or don't, that's fine too.

(doctorpepper, irritatingly, is probably more likely town after our recent exchange)

The only reason to think I'm scum is wifom from the guy who looked like he was going down

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I'd rather not lynch maxwell.

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VOTE: HK 50

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I must have read the thread wrong. My bad.

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Why Dunn and not HK?

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Don't kid yourself, it's between HK and no lynch

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I changed my mind way back when farside was still in the game

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