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[NoPowerOverMe]

Why Dunn?

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I haven't read the thread yet.

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All I know is day 1 a town was lynched.

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From who

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So there's not actually a cop guilty?

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Can someone rehash what the claims are so far?

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is the general consensus that the gera lynch was town or scum motivated?

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Did anyone claim the porkens kill

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Not much, I'll look for stuff as it comes up I'm not gonna read 70 pages of crap.

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It looks like day 1 was a last minute lynch right?

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VOTE: HK-50

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My vote on HK 50 is purely from the vote count analysis perspective.

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Porkens reads:
#143: BM votes HK50...biggest wagon.
#157: BM votes himself...trust Not_mafia
#158: BM votes GC. won't say reasons
#160: BM scum reads GC, Mala, Ns, and HK50
#184: BM says GC is playing "safe and cautious"
#193: BM slight townlead on HK50 due to posting style.
#343: BM votes Votato. based on shotgun me
ta analysis. Nobody is behind GC wagon. Townleadeding Dunn.
#360: BM reaffirms he thinks Dunn is town.
#367: BM asks farside to wagon GC.
#403: BM responds to Dunn saying BM played similar as town by saying Dunn played different as scum.
#404: BM says votatos slip is a town lean.
#405: BM says scum-Dunn tries harder.
#518: BM doesn't like GC's case on him. votes: GC

So based on this, I have Dunn and HK50 for scum, and GC, Mala, Farside for town. but I haven't
read past #518 so...

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I see there is a wagon currently on Dunn.

VOTE: Dunnstral

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Because BM was clearly town and he was promiting town!Dunn.

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@Dunn I see Newbie 2004 didn't work out so well for you as scum.

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Are we townblocking yet?

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I'm pretty sure you're town. I'm not so sure about the other two on the wagon.

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I think he's basically given himself up.

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I dont like the dun wagon as the way hk kept pushing it over porkens leaves me feeling that these two slots cant be s/s.

And since my gut keeps telling me that hk is scum, i cant see dun beign his partner.

Porkens was pushing town!Dunn though.

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Is there a point to that post GC?

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I didn't call Dunn town. I said Porkens was scum and pushed Dunn as town, which means Dunn is probably scum since we know Porkens is scum.

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I must have read the thread wrong. My bad.

[Vote: HK50[/vote]

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VOTE: HK50

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likelyhood of a rage quit?

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Why Dunn and not HK?

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VOTE: Maxwell

One doesn't get to discuss the terms of their own wagon.

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I'll hammer HK50 if need be.

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Although Dunn on the HK50 wagon makes me uneasy.

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All I know is you are the second choice wagon and you switching over to HK is pretty survivalist.

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VOTE: Dunnstral

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No one recommended it. I think we got the best possible outcome anyway.

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

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bob, are you denying having a gun?

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On the other hand, NM has been on two town lynch wagons.

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Couldn't NM be a mafia rolecop claiming gunsmith for towncred?

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Do you have towncred besides your claim? I didn't think so.

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I think you're a mafia neighborizor/rolecop.

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Or someone on your scumteam is a rolecop and you're taking their claim.

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You want town to be lynched, to help a mafia win.

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Who knows. Maybe you think you could wiggle out of it? It's WIFOM anyhow.

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I'm inclined to believe Bob, given NM's vote history.

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I'm not claiming a guilty on anyone.

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Uh oh, the mafia wants to lynch me. I'm quivering.

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NM is understandably upset that his scum gambit didn't work.

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I see it as too convenient.

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Also if NM was town I don't think he would be on tilt, I think he would try to offer a more reasonable explanation.

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Your guilty is convenient, not your voting history.

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What's unreasonable about being a vanilla cop?

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@maxwell, what makes you think there is another investigative role?

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I was going to vote NM before the claim. The way I see it, GC only vouches for him being a neighborizor, not any other part of his role.

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Ok, well if not neighbors, then some sort of similar mechanic.

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Reading is overrated. At any rate, what is it that you think I don't understand?

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Is vanilla town a power role?

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If you lynch based on personality conflicts town is not going to win this game. But maybe that's what you want.

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There's no logical argument to suggest that NM is "confirmed town".

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Don't ask me for my vote then.

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I'm not a net negative, I recently was in lylo and won. NM's read list is very OMGUS.

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At any rate, town can't afford another mislynch at this point, or at the very least, we should be doing everything we can to lynch actual scum. I am suspicious of NM and maxwell for advocating policy lynching at this point.

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What did Votato do that was scummy?

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I already claimed.

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Vt

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Replacements should be cautious in a 70 page game

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I asked what vatato did to warrant a push.

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And apparently I'm scummy for not looking for town cred.

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I can see why votato replaced out.

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I wouldn't be surprised if nm and Maxwell we're the scumteam

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NM seems overly pushy and seems to be trying to act like the games white knight. Maxwell is just trying to do whatever seems to be the most prevelant thought at the moment and not actually think about the game on his own.

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Moreover since I feel like since he has been wrong twice maybe NM should be second guessing himself more than he is if he was town.

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I know how to play and win in lylo. Book it. My record says so. Mafia is obviously trying to get to lylo now by lynching me.

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VOTE: Looker

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If you think those are likely scum combos and not me why would you hammer me?

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Oh, votato was my predecessor sorry. Disregard.

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The fact that the wagon is "taking this long" doesn't mean scum is against it, it means that scum is looking for town cred by not being on the town lynch wagon.

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GC and NM need to come over to the looker wagon if they are town. Looker's comment that he's willing to be the lynch tomorrow if he's wrong is completely disingenuine.

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Either that or there are two scum so they can't control the lynch.

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Looker has made several questionable statements.

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I'll fight tooth and nail all the way.

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That would not be fighting tooth and nail, I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town. I am town.

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If I had to guess there is one scum on my wagon and one scum off my wagon. Scum seem to be playing a very systematic game to get town lynches through, and I am surprised by the lack of wagon changes.

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That would mean I would say Looker is scum #2 and Scum #3 is either Cat, Bob or Dr.

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Thinking this through, since NM has a guilty on Bob, I think Looker/Bob is a possible scumteam.

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So if I am lynched, which I hope doesn't happen, please strongly consider this.

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Okay.

Vote: Bob[/vote]

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VOTE: bob

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Maybe I play better when I am being wagoned.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Looker has made several questionable statements.

Does it bother you that, despite how dumb you think I am, I still didn't replace votato and therefore am not scum?

This argument has no basis in reality. Me replacing votato does not in any way make me scum. Moreover, the fact that you insists it does makes me more likely town.

That would mean I would say Looker is scum #2 and Scum #3 is either Cat, Bob or Dr.

VOTE: bob

Why would you go from a 1 out of 1 to a 1 out of 3? And if there's a dependable guilty, why wait until now to pursue it?

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I don't do any good to the town dead.

Why aren't we voting Maxwell??

I don't like ANY of these wagons

It's weird that this last minute wagon started on bob and not you. Are you willing to jump on it?

NPOM probably flipping town based on his reaction tbh

Who's scum, then?

I also don't see how survivalism is AI. It looks like he's just jumping on whatever wagon.

I didn't jump on whatever wagon. NM claimed a guilty. At first I was skeptical based on his voting record. NM voted me. I thought it over and decided that Looker/{Bob/Dr/Cat} was pretty likely scum, based on your desperation and poor arguments, and the people not on my wagon, and NM and I decided to switch to Bob based on mutual agreement and logic. I encourage any other players to do the same. The only reason for someone in your position to make the arguments you're making(bad ones) is because you know if you are lynched there is only one player left on their team, and it's probably someone with a guilty on them.

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Sorry for the bad formatting. My statements start with "this argument has", "I don't do", and "I didn't jump".

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Scum don't always vote town to preserve their towncred.

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Deadline is coming, we need to lynch the player with the guilty. If we are wishy washy on if we believe NM, town is doomed, and NM may be acting like a bully and not working with people as much as town should, but lynching bob is the better answer than lynching NM or myself. NM, like I said, could be town investigative, myself, it seems you are going based on votato's voting history, which is fair, but bob is the best lynch by the numbers.

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Nice that the two scum are trying to discredit me rather than actually have a good argument.

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Now cat and either maxwell or Dr need to come over and we're good. Guessing Maxwell.

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Why can't Looker and Bob both be scum?

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Look at the scum throwing random theories around to try to get a no lynch.

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What are your night actions again?

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I would consider not voting you only if we can get a lynch on Looker instead. But I don't see that happening. Even if you're not lying, which is very possible if you were a role cop or some other investigative, it doesn't prove your alignment.

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I think he means he can soft clear by claimiing them town and them confirming they are town.

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I mean vanilla not town. Sorry it is late. Going to bed.

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VOTE: Looker

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We have about 16 hours left, correct?

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Looker's behavior has me thinking he was scum. But I've been wrong before.

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Well, NM and Bob are probably town, I know I'm town. That leaves cat, Dr, and you. Cat and Dr were not going to get lynched and a no lynch would have been not optimal.

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You're wrong. I get my voting history isn't great but what can I say?

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VOTE: Maxwell

FOS: DoctorPepper

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I see NM and Bob as town due to their claims. I know I'm town. Green Canyons has been acting pretty townie overall.

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To each their own.

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VOTE: Unvote

Forgot it was mylo, but I figured three votes don't get it done so what difference does it make?

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Yep, I'm guilty of bad form. Not guilty of being scum. I think my reasoning is pretty solid however, even though I have no way of convincing anyone of my towniness.

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Why is it mod error?

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I'm going to assume that maxwell, nm, and bob are all town. That leaves Dr. and GC as scum.

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VOTE: DoctorPepper

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OMGUSing much there Dr?

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OMGUSing is what scum do when they don't have a legitimate defense.

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Let's face it, the PRs don't have any reason to suspect you, me or GC obove each other. It's basically a coin flip if town wins this game or not.

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Hope you enjoy losing.

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GC is scum.

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I have no way of proving myself over GC, but I know it's the truth obviously.

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Either that or one of the pr's is lying.

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Not really, someone can act pro town the whole game and still be scum.

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NM - Gunsmith
Bob - Vanilla Cop
Maxwell - Town Simple Doctor

AFAIK.

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@maxwell, what makes you think there is another investigative role?

Normal setup power distributions. As it stands now if our only power roles are 2-shot simple vig + simple doctor + JOAT that's an exceedingly weak town and unlikely to pass review for balance.

Think it's very likely though that it's an all-goon scumteam because of this though.

You still think there's another investigative role?

NPOM, DP: either of you copping to it?

I'm vt. Are you saying you have evidence of an unclaimed action?

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NM - town. Power role.
Bob - Town. Power role.
maxwell - Town. Power role.
Me - Town. Role pm.

Two players left, GC and Dr.

I think it would be difficult to players to lie about their role as scum unless they were given fakeclaims. At least, it's more likely that the power role's are town and the Vanilla's are scum.

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There are possible scenarios where NM, Bob or Maxwelll could be scum. I just don't think it's the most likely explanation.

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Stupid phone

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No my assumed scumteam is Dr and gc

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It's just what I haappened to say at that time. I consider both equally scummy.

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What are the chances that any one of the PR's are lying? 40-50%

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Yep Bob and Dr are the one's acting most anti town. Bob has no sense of urgency and Dr is trying to discredit everyone.

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GC isn't acting anti town but I would still pick him due to POE.

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Someone who is town should not be asking for town cred(2333)

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A no lynch would not be terrible here, I feel like not Mafia will come around tomorrow and with canyon not voting it looks like the scum team is obvious now at least to me

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Crayons

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I think GC is trying to White Knight me.

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Green Crayons - 60% chance of scum
bob - 30%
Not_Mafia - 10%

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Okay this is concerning.

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Doesn't the fact that he didn't volunteer this info make him more likely scum?

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Who did you check last night?

As i said i checked green.

Where was this?

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No I'm saying he didn't claim his action in his post as he said he did.

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i have no way to defend myself. All I can say is well done GC, well deserved scum win.

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My case is I know I am town and I'm not going to vote a PR.

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Green has played a pretty perfect scum game so there's not much of an argument unfortunatley.

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If I didn't have my role PM I would probably vote me vs. GC as well. Give credit where credit is due.

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He could be I'm not putting any money on it.

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If you are dead set against voting GC but would vote bob I would consider it.

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I wish I had an argument, but I really don't.

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I pushed the Dr lynch.

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Crayons, assuming he was town.

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I don't think he's viable at all from an objective standpoint, like I've said.

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Yeah absolutely. It's called bussing.

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Because I think the odds of the PR's being truthful claims are more probable than not.

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I think the discourse has run it's course. Might as well leave it up to bob at this point.

VOTE: Green Crayons

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Yeah because there's no difference between the likelyhood of a Day 1 and a Day 4 bus.

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How am I supposed to play today? What argument am I missing?

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Is there an argument?

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If throw bob under the bus and he ends up being town, even though I think GC is scum, where does that leave me as a player?

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Who did I say was objectively scum?

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Nope, it hasn't happened. One game I got mislynched day 1, another game I won in ello. I'm trying to remember if I've played a 3rd game or not.

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I don't know that you're scum over Bob, but I don't see a good argument for eliminating Bob that wouldn't be survivalist.

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Where did I say bob has played anti town?

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What are the odds of Bob successfully fakeclaiming a power role?

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Do you think that bob is scum or that I am scum?

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unvote

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No.

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What if the moon landing was rigged?

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The balance was good.

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I appreciate you don't like my playstyle NM, but pinning the loss on me is pretty crappy form.

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I don't think policy lynching me would have lead to a different outcome. I have had good town games in other games so the idea that some other player would have lead to a town win is rediculous.

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I don't see anything wrong with using a mod error to try and conftown yourself. It's your job to do anything to win. This isn't duck duck goose. I can see how it would be annoying as mod though.

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It's not fair to say someone did a "shitty job" because they made one mistake. Modding is not an easy thing to do.