Micro 948: Noughts and Crosses Blitz [Game over!]

[beeboy]

I wanted a scum role pm, refund pls.

[beeboy]

hi beeboy!

your predecessor didn't give us a lot to go off!

but Maxwell and I (the two people who have pushed the game towards possibly lynching you) both gutfeel your slot as town yet simultaneously the safest/best lynch of the four corners, also a slot that strategically leads to a CSF death

I'd be most interested in your thoughts on:
1) lynching in the corners today
2) CSF/Blair/mayyyybe T-Bone slots

I was baited into playing valorant as soon as I joined this game so I haven't read yet.
If you think I am town what makes a corner better then the center? That CSF kill is also a long haul that requires us to lynch in a certain way d2. Feels near sighted to me and an easy way to mislynch someone.

What else are you thinking?

[beeboy]

hi beeboy!

your predecessor didn't give us a lot to go off!

but Maxwell and I (the two people who have pushed the game towards possibly lynching you) both gutfeel your slot as town yet simultaneously the safest/best lynch of the four corners, also a slot that strategically leads to a CSF death

I'd be most interested in your thoughts on:
1) lynching in the corners today
2) CSF/Blair/mayyyybe T-Bone slots

I was baited into playing valorant as soon as I joined this game so I haven't read yet.
If you think I am town what makes a corner better then the center? That CSF kill is also a long haul that requires us to lynch in a certain way d2. Feels near sighted to me and an easy way to mislynch someone.

What else are you thinking?

[beeboy]

VOTE: beeboy
I believe Rozyroz was mafia

Guiltylion looks to be playing like they play as town... which they often are
Maxwell seems fine to me

I don't believe you unless this is POE but you're hedging your reads on all the other corners.
You can't believe a slot with 2 posts is scum when said slot replaced out after 2 irl days.

Idk not vibing with this.

[beeboy]

Yeah, I agree that it looks like a reach - but it's kind of a townie reach? How does scum!Dunnstral benefit from townreading the opposite corner and scumreading an adjacent corner? That's a bit too risky to be a manufactured read.

He has a buddy that holds another position on the board.
I opened the game expressing I wanted to roll scum, I have 24 hours left, reasonable to assume I am not just opening the game in 2 or saving myself in that time.

IC has also already voted me.

[beeboy]

I opened the game expressing I wanted to roll scum, I have 24 hours left, reasonable to assume I am not just opening the game in 2 or saving myself in that time.

I'm not following you here - what are you saying?

The benefit to scum reading an adjacent corner is I would hypothetically be an easier push then maxwell.

[beeboy]

I want to lynch bottom or right rows.

[beeboy]

I guess right side isn't a row but you get what I mean.

[beeboy]

With 24 hours left, if you're town you really need to start outing reads fast.

I mean it isn't that easy.
It's not about lynching 1 player.

It's about picking the best set of 3 to kill all at once.

I can't just pick Dunnstral if I also want you and T-Bone dead for example. I'd have to the latter 2 first even if I feel better about Dunnstral.
My feeling about the Kanna and Dunnstral slot don't even make me feel that bad about the idea of just dying here so their is also that.

[beeboy]

Oddly enough I actually town read Maxwell. He has a range of interactions and pushes which feel townie to me, I liked the way he opened up the thread, feels consistent with his style of play. Hasn't touched up on board play much either so it kind of makes sense.
Which is why both sides I want to avoid him because I don't feel particularly strongly for either of his mid points, Ebi and T-Bone, being scum either.



GL votes me for being a corner, he asks me a question which has a clear answer for me to say, kill a corner.
Then he asks me for 3 reads on middle players and doesn't ask me about any corner players. Feels like dissonance.
He is also pushing a range of players but is also only voting no posters for the most part. Feels very weird to me.

Kanna vote on GL is the worst thing I've ever seen. CSF has failed to explain.

Dunnstral is as explained.


So right side or bottom side. Dunnstral/GL or Dunnstral/CSF. CSF/GL isn't an option obviously.


Thoughts my people?

[beeboy]

So I think I am dying, I honestly don't care if I die because the bottom row has 2 wolf reads of mine. I doubt the scum team is Dunnstral + Cat, but I do see one of them flipping scum incredibly often.

But my dying legacy is going to be as follows.

I think Maxells opening is from town. To expand on my last post. He misses day 1 RVS comes back and proclaims "This game isn't for memeing and setup discussion is important and I had nothing to add" it's an incredibly odd post and I think that's a point in his favor actually when looking at follow up? Given town make weird posts and scum try and put less words to avoid making weird posts. His posts are all wall heavy analysis posts so his seriousness section of the post is 100% believable and consistent with how he approaches the game. In addition he has stayed consistent in terms of not actually thinking of strategy and letting other people do it.

For most people an opening post like that hits the ignore button in the back of your mind and is never looked at again. So staying so incredibly consistent with a bunch of weird things stated in post 1 just seems odd. I know Max apparently started playing mafia 9 years ago so he could be this titan of great mafia play on certain levels but idk not feeling him being scum.

[beeboy]

Note using this strategy we lose our 5p left selection as we need to stop scums selection.

So lynch Dunnstral and let mafia kill CSF if you want to kill Max (bad idea)
Or lynch CSF and let mafia kill Dunnstral if you want to kill Ebi (honestly not amazing either but better to me)

So technically we are committing to killing a set of 4 not 3 if you look very far ahead. But I still like forcing scums kill as we are going to be forced to lynch in a specific way day 5 regardless, at least we can pick our own poison this way.

[beeboy]

Note using this strategy we lose our 5p left selection as we need to stop scums tic tac toe victory

So lynch Dunnstral and let mafia kill CSF if you want to kill Max (bad idea)
Or lynch CSF and let mafia kill Dunnstral if you want to kill Ebi (honestly not amazing either but better to me)

So technically we are committing to killing a set of 4 not 3 if you look very far ahead. But I still like forcing scums kill as we are going to be forced to lynch in a specific way day 5 regardless, at least we can pick our own poison this way.

err I meant tic tac toe victory over the 2nd selection. silly me.

[beeboy]

EXAMPLE PLEASE IGNORE




No possible outcome isn't just a corner f3 right?
So shouldn't we be thinking about the best looking corner right now instead of best line to kill

[beeboy]

These are the 2 outcomes, adjust for your preferred lynch I am just demonstrating what happens

[beeboy]

#272 was an example, but it does involve all my scum reads dying....

VOTE: Dunnstral

[beeboy]

GL votes me for being a corner, he asks me a question which has a clear answer for me to say, kill a corner.
Then he asks me for 3 reads on middle players and doesn't ask me about any corner players. Feels like dissonance.
He is also pushing a range of players but is also only voting no posters for the most part. Feels very weird to me.

I feel like you're blending times where I'm concerned about the board and times where I'm concerned about the game

I asked you about those three players because I feel they're important slots to give reads on to get a sense of your overall view of the game state.

I have made two votes this game, one on Maxwell and one on rozyroz, and they are both corners. I have certainly pushed Clover and Kanna/CSF and Blair to a degree in varying degrees at different points, because I am finding the three of them important to sort. I will not vote any of them today because they are edges.

Why is any of that "weird"?

If you don't want to vote edges, why is you're instinct to ask me for reads on 3 edge players when you don't want me voting them ever.
I don't get it, it's weird because you're asking me for reads that you don't actually have a reason to care about.

You're filling space not seeking out my reads in a way to work with me if my answer somehow convinces you I am town.

[beeboy]

Spoiler:

^ my death outcomes.

[beeboy]

Shouldn't this mostly be about who we townread and wouldn't mind in lylo more than who we scumread?

To some degree yes, but I think people wanting to pivot after flips occur is inevitable.
So listing all outcomes is better than just listing the best lylo outcome.

Personally I want the top left corner to be our lylo.

pedit: I drew diagrams showing the options!! T-bone made me realize we can lynch the middle square so I don't blame him I only considered lynching purely corners

[beeboy]

Let's do this.

[beeboy]

Actually CSF if I am a wolf and you and Dunnstral are town.

What happens is we enter 5 man lylo with me alive.
But lynching me creates a line where town live.

So if I am a wolf my scum buddy _has_ to shoot me.

[beeboy]

I say I don't fear death...but my ability to lie is unrivaled, and I take pride in that. It's not just other people—I can even fool my own emotions. The conscious deceives the unconscious.

...

It's okay.

Well then, take care, everyone. Perhaps we'll meet again, in another life.

VOTE: Dunnstral

Thank you for your trust IC. I will not fail you.

[beeboy]

So I was town reading the right corner.
but I killed Blair by pure accident.

The way mafia was intended to be played thank you Mith.

[beeboy]

Bigger thanks to Umlaut for modding and the players for making this a fun game to play!