Open 782: Triad Conspiracy (Finish!)

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...did you just welcome yourself back?

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The real conspiracy was the friends we made along the way.

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The real conspiracy was the friends we made along the way.

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I just want to be transparent with the thread and let everyone know because I think transparency with the thread is important right now:

Isis and superbowl are having a massive 1v1 in the hood. It's kind of weird but Isis thinks superbowl is town acting intentionally scummy, and superbowl is denying it and accusing Isis of conspiring. It's getting kind of heated and I'm uncomfortable standing in the crossfire. Any advice for how I should be handling this, to put a handle on it?

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Isis wants me to let her resolve it but I really think everyone needs to know this. I'll summarise what happened, Morning Tweet:

>superbowl entered the hood saying it was a lovely hood and he's really looking forward to this (grinning emoji face)
>I entered and greeted him normally
>Isis enters and asks him about why he's so excited
>He says no reason in particular, but the setup looks cool
>Isis asks him what's cool about the setup
>superbowl does a u-turn in attitude and threatens to

self-vote on the spot

(not kidding) because he thinks Isis is being weirdly antagonistic
>They have a back and forth here and I won't summarise every post, but basically Isis thinks he's intentionally acting scummy and doesn't get why, and superbowl is accusing her of scummy anti-OMGUS

The thing is he outright refuses to talk to me now and is insisting we're both scum. I just want us to be friends, and I don't think this is theatre. What should I do? I need advice on what to do, because I don't think our hood is in a theatre.

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If people think what I'm describing is theatre however, I am open to self-voting and trusting in the WOTC, in the WOTC.

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It's getting worse

Isis jokingly called him lousyball and superbowl got really mad at that. He says he's fed up with the game and I can tell he's getting really emotional - I'm quite concerned. Do we have any counsellors or peacemakers in the playerlist that can step in please, pretty please?

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What do you think I should do about mine, Doctor?

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What if the real conspiracy is that we're all town? If we're all town, wouldn't that be a great conspiracy?

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We're up to page 7 now... someone please stop these two, I'm not sure how much more I can handle.

But regardless, at least I've got some good reads from it. I'm pretty sure Isis is scum, and superbowl is town. So if I'm town here, I think we're okay. Otherwise, if I'm scum, it means there's a conspiracy and we should be self-voting. At the moment, I think I'm town though.

Adorable, has anyone talked in your hood yet?

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Why is your headspace at the universe where we didn't immediately win, auto? Is it because that step necessarily happens on all your paths to victory?

Because then the game just ends?

I now legitimately townread my partners for their hood play. I won't reveal the reasoning just yet.

How many posts did Morning/Drew make in the hood between these times?

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If you click the posts, you can see the timestamps. What I want to know, is the number of posts from Drew/Morning between those times.

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Chainsaw
VOTE: Isis

Chainsawing the chainsaw
VOTE: Auro

Should answer my question, Auro. That question I had earlier? I'd like it answered, Auro.

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Adorable, now that you've found out that scum can be split across hoods, does this change where you think scum are? I can vouch for Isis being scum, being scum.

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The real friends was the conspiracy we made along the way.

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The friend's conspiracy was the real we made along the way.

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Feeling cute, might self-vote later. .

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Prodding Tommy Two Times.
(expired on 2020-06-21 07:34:11)

Sorry, I didn't realise I would be prodded despite the fact I've been active in the hood. Dealing with that is equivalent to 2 other micro games, and I haven't even had time to read the recent events in the thread. Will have time to catch up soon after I deal with with page 42/43. Isis and superbowl are assuming they're town for hypothetical purposes and are arguing possible teams in other hoods. We're making progress!

Progress is being made, we're looking at potential other teams!

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I am bravely proclaiming my hate for both Isis and superbowl. I have endured dark, dark things in there... the only thing that can make me forget nowadays are 10 jumping jacks, jacks.

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We're up to page 7 now... someone please stop these two, I'm not sure how much more I can handle.

But regardless, at least I've got some good reads from it. I'm pretty sure Isis is scum, and superbowl is town. So if I'm town here, I think we're okay. Otherwise, if I'm scum, it means there's a conspiracy and we should be self-voting. At the moment, I think I'm town though.

Adorable, has anyone talked in your hood yet?

Yes, we have been talking in the hood. You said you're pretty sure Isis is scum and superbowl is town. I thought scum would be together in one neighborhood. I'll have to read the rules again since I didn't know scums would be in different hoods.

Adorable, now that you've found out that scum can be split across hoods, does this change where you think scum are? I can vouch for Isis being scum, being scum.

On the basic setup it says 2 neighborhoods with 3 vts and 1 neighborhood with 1 vt and 2 mafia.

When did you decide to check the rules in between these two posts?

At what point of time between these two posts did you check the rules?

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We're up to page 7 now... someone please stop these two, I'm not sure how much more I can handle.

But regardless, at least I've got some good reads from it. I'm pretty sure Isis is scum, and superbowl is town. So if I'm town here, I think we're okay. Otherwise, if I'm scum, it means there's a conspiracy and we should be self-voting. At the moment, I think I'm town though.

Adorable, has anyone talked in your hood yet?

Yes, we have been talking in the hood. You said you're pretty sure Isis is scum and superbowl is town. I thought scum would be together in one neighborhood. I'll have to read the rules again since I didn't know scums would be in different hoods.

Adorable, now that you've found out that scum can be split across hoods, does this change where you think scum are? I can vouch for Isis being scum, being scum.

On the basic setup it says 2 neighborhoods with 3 vts and 1 neighborhood with 1 vt and 2 mafia.

When did you decide to check the rules in between these two posts?

At what point of time between these two posts did you check the rules?

When I signed up on the que thread it talks about the setup with two scum being in one hood and then when I saw you put Isis as scum and superbowl as town it looked like you were saying two scum were in different hood and I ended up having to read the setup again on the game thread on the first page.

What I mean is did you check after making post 102, or after I made 107?

That's posts 102 and 107 I'm talking about.

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I self-voted earlier but got my games mixed up and did it in a mishmash game by mistake. I'm being more careful with this second lease of life.

VOTE: Hood 2

Everyone's sus here, but my main scumread is Puff. I don't like Puff's townslip. If you see something which contradicts your understanding of the setup, wouldn't the first thing you do be to recheck the rules? Puff made a show of making it clear she was misunderstanding and would check the rules straight

after

making that post, instead of just checking them instead of making that post.
She says in 222 that she checked immediately after making 102, but then where's the followup? She makes #102 realising the rules may be different to what she thought. Rereads the rules and notices Tommy is either lying or mistaken, but then doesn't inform Tommy or the thread of this after checking. Which makes me think the purpose of #102 was not a helpful/transparent one, but an attempt at faking a townslip.

Can't remember if I already did this (I might have already done this):

VOTE: Hood 2

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I shouldn't forget to vote - it'd be bad if I forgot to vote:

VOTE: Hood 2

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It was after I prompted her, prompted her.

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Well, that's a minor disaster, disaster.

Drew, could you confirm the fact Morning and Auro were saying they were okay with you self-voting in your hood, and then pushing another hood after?

Honestly, I'd kinda convinced myself on the Puff hood being the conspiracy. This townslip from Puff wasn't like the one she had recently in partition, which had a lot more emotion and felt less scripted, scripted.

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I could see it being Isis and superbowl, or superbowl and Isis.

No hasty votes please, Drew. Let's take this slow and use the time.

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Morning, could you explain why you fully trust your hoodmates? Drew and Auro I'm talking about. I've seen some reasoning from Auro but not from you. That's why I'm asking you.

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Auro and Morning were basically assuming that I would self vote.

They weren't trying to convince you to reconsider at all at that point?
Did it look like a gambit, like a gambit?

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Please just call me Tommy, gobbles. TTT is interesting but I have a special connection to Tommy. .

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It kinda sounds to me that if there's a conspiracy in your hood, it's you + one of them. Having one of you paranoia while the other scum "convinces" you not to self-vote sounds like smart theatre to get the other hood mate on board.

If you are town, I don't think you should be self-voting because their gambit seems really risky in that case. Unless they're going all out and trying to make you reconsider from their play alone but it's still real risky.

Let me think about this. Think about this let me.

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Rude, rude.

Why do you think your hood is town now?

And why is my post there scummy? My play as scum is to convince town!you to not self-vote, and suggest I think it could be you + Auro/Morning? Two people who seem set to not self-vote?

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What's the most towny thing that's happened in your hood, Tommy?

superbowl has some posts that sound genuine. Probably the post where he answered a question of mine and then told me I'm asking a lot of questions and wondering how they're helping me sort, sort.

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What's the most towny thing that's happened in your hood, Tommy?

Tommy Annoying Posts....


Answer this Please

I love you too, Drew <3 6>

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Would like you to address 323 or 323 though.

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Alright, calling in Isis and superbowl. I shall return on the next full moon. When the moon is full.

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Hey! What'd I miss?

Maybe it's an all town conspiracy and we're all arguing over nothing. :taps head: :taps head again:

I'll catch up soon.

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Morning, what did Drew say in your hood when he switched from thinking he was in the scum hood to thinking it was my hood? What was the progressionn?

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Of course

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Interesting, interesting...

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Drew says all his paranoia of us is gone.

Drew says all his paranoia of us is gone.

Drew, what caused all of your paranoia to disappear? What did Morning/Auro do that made you stop suspecting them?

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Hmmmm, I don't know. Auro + Morning would make sense in how they've been townreading each other the whole game, and the gambit where you tell each other "let's pretend to townread each other and see how the thread reacts" does come from scum more often and is more beneficial to them, I think. I would really love to read the hood and see how genuine the solving posts ares. .

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But on the other hand, as Drew describes it, the whole gambit of writing themselves off to be the first hood to self-vote is risky as scum, and just the way they strongly townread each other might be less likely to come from scum, since that's bound to incite paranoia. . . .

But on the other

foot

, that's exactly what scum needs to do so they don't have to fake paranoia and then explain why they're not self-voting later on.

P-edit: Elaborate?

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I'm not sure. If it is the other hood, I don't know what combination it is, but there's scum equity in the way Auro/Morning have been treating each other, and equity in Drew's sudden turn from paranoiaing to asking superbowl to self-vote.

Isis and superbowl have put on a 6/10 performance if they're scum. I'm leaning towards the other hood atm at the moment.

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How dare you. Point towards one or even 1 post where I slipped.

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If Adorable, Galron, and I declare that a hood self vote, will that hood self vote?

Yep, I will follow Hood 22. For the record, I think it's Auro + Drew now.

Morning, Auro daring Drew to self-vote in-thread and in-hood is bad for him if he's scum and Drew's town, and it's also bad for him if he's town and thinks Drew is town. Even if you think Drew is likely to eventually self-vote anyway, daring him to instead of trying to convince his mind is anti-wincon. An explanation that makes sense is that they're both scum and there was never really any fear, and it's all theatre.

The lack of progression of softening paranoia in the hood is a bad sign, not a good sign. All of the previous paranoia and threats to self-vote mean nothing if Drew does a sudden 180 when it gets down to two hoods.

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Auro/Drew
Auro/Drew
Auro/Morning
Drew/Morning
Isis/superbowl

is the order of my teams. Regarding Isis and superbowl, it's less about thinking their interactions are very genuine in my hood (other than the 40 page 1v1 obv obviously), and more about how I townlean both of them individually. Why do people find Isis scummy?

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I will take my tie off and put it back on again if I'm wrong.

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I've always wanted to be in a 3v3 before. Disappointed there hasn't been any AtE or threats to replace out though. Pick up the pace,, people.

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Drew, I still don't get why you found that post of mine scummy and how it was the turning point of your paranoia. If I'm scum, my aim there is to convince you to self-vote and sell you on Auro/Morning scum. Not tell you NOT to self-vote if you're town, and instead voice my suspicion of you and potentially alienate you.

Explain why that 1 (one) post changed your mind.

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but it does show me that if you're town you've not been doing a good job.

I've been doing a great job, because I correctly caught you and Isis

Why aren't you trying to convince me to self--vote or sell me on your case if you think it's them?

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but Tommy's response wsas like he didn't even read what I said and tried to act like I was being manipulated by my hood mates.

Again, I don't get this. How was I trying to act like you were being manipulated? I said the reverse, I thought it was

unlikely

Auro+Morning+Auro were scum gambiting.

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I've always wanted to be in a 3v3 before. Disappointed there hasn't been any AtE or threats to replace out though. Pick up the pace,, people.

What a weird basis for a 3v3v3v3! I've threatened my partners with lots of tears in the event they're deceiving me, does that qualify as AtE?

Depends, what kind of emoticons have you pulled out?

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- I ask tommy a certain analysis question about MT

Did Tommy ever conclude whether or not i am certainly town? This is an important question

- TTT expresses relatively strong townreads on his hood, for the first time really

well he has to because he's scum probably

- we discuss whether Morning Tweet can be a motherly person and also be scum, and whether mothers can be scum, this spans many posts.

am i really that motherlike?!

I thought you thought I was the town in the hood?

Also, if you're talking about what I think you're talking about, then yes. There's a reason I think ur you're the town in your hood.

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Might snapvote over Isis calling me TTT over Tommy to be honest tbh

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What's up, what's up. Start placing your votes down, hood 2. I don't think many minds are being changed here.

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Fantastic analysis,, Isis. Does anyone have any doubt after seeing that townspew?

Although, it is possible the sausages in question were composed of beef or turkey, in which case Abed would have no fear regardless.

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For me this is coming down to Tommy vs Tweet.

I am also present. Ask me any questions if you have them.

Are you saying we're your top picks for scum, town, or third party from our respective hoods?

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Ok, my research is complete. That episode of Community features a split into six timelines. In the timeline in which that image of Troy holding the pizzas appears, we never get to see the pizzas. However, the timelines do not split until after the pizzas are already in the deliveryman's hands, so we know the toppings of the pizzas are the same in all six timelines.
In the timeline in which Pierce retrieves the pizzas, we get to view Abed taking a cheese slice, and Troy and Britta each taking a slice that is a bit difficult to make out but seems to be topped with mushrooms and sausage bits. Abed is Muslim, so it seems likely that the sausage bits are pork, which is why the pizza is half and half. Both of these slices only come from the topmost box.

In the timeline in which Abed (I think it was Abed), retrieves the pizzas, Abed sets the pizza boxes down and immediately and confidently thrusts the topmost box open and begins reaching immediately. We can only see the mushroom sausage half, but he reaches to the other half to retrieve a cheese slice that he brings to his mouth.

A pizza man rarely clarifies which pizzas are which, so the fact that Abed does not peek at the box first to ensure it has slices appropriate for him to eat suggests it's most likely that all three pizzas are identical. At a minimum, each pizza must have a cheese half or a half that comports with Abed's religious beliefs, due to this show of confidence.

That is the most I can deduce about the flavor of the pizzas.

This is CWAC.

?Canadian Women's Army Corps?

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Fantastic analysis,, Isis. Does anyone have any doubt after seeing that townspew?

Although, it is possible the sausages in question were composed of beef or turkey, in which case Abed would have no fear regardless.

What townspew? I couldn't get anything out of it and it was a random pointless post.

It's an analogy for this game.
Troy is the moderator.
Half of the pizza is Auro's hood.
The other half is Isis' hood.
Abed is your hood.

It's beautiful when youu think about it.

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What if Puzzle and Dragons 2 comes out with a brand new and better Isis?

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VOTE: Hood 1

This is the hood I have been currently scum reading at the moment.

I was leaning that way, but the pizza post was a total town spew.

Puff is tunneled on our hood because she has a tendency to scumread people who suspect her early. She had the same reaction to me in partition (we were both town).

You might want to reconsider, Pufff.

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I was paranoid you were faking a townslip after seeing how much you were townread in partition after you fell for that fake hammer. The main reasoning behind it was that it looked like you made the post for show, since I thought you'd just check the rules first before making that post in the 1st first place.

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We could settle this with a quick game of conspiracy if you guys want. I can send out role PMs through spoilers.

Spoiler: Isis

No conspiracy

Spoiler: superbowl

No conspiracy

Spoiler: Auro

No conspiracy

Spoiler: Doctor Drew

Third party jester. Get everyone to guess conspiracy.

Spoiler: Morning Tweet

No conspiracy

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This would've been a lot more fun as town, but still; I had fun conspiring with you, superbowl.

I townread you, Isis.

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This would've been a lot more fun as town, but still; I had fun conspiring with you, superbowl.

I townread you, Isis.

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lol that was hilarious when you mentioned it. Also, I'm getting worried at how quickly you nail my alts nowadays, Auro

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Sorry for ever doubting you, Drew. I had to ya know.

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<3
Well, I'm gonna make it my mission to stay undercover next time. I'll speak in Spanish or something.