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Open 782: Triad Conspiracy (Finish!)

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:50 pm
by NotAJumbleOfNumbers
Open 782
:
Triad
Conspiracy

Players (* denotes a prod):
  • Isis*
  • gobbledygook**
  • superbowl9
  • Galron*
  • Adorable
  • Morning Tweet
  • Tommy Two Times**
  • Auro
  • Doctor Drew
Spoiler: Currently Alive
  • Isis / superbowl9 / Tommy Two Times
  • Morning Tweet / Auro / Doctor Drew

Spoiler: Currently Treestumped
  • gobbledygook / Galron / Adorable, treestumped D1

Spoiler: Currently Modkilled
Please don't make me use this.

Spoiler: Chronology

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:51 pm
by NotAJumbleOfNumbers
Rules

copied from the worst, who mercilessly stole & slightly adapted it from MarioManiac4
also slightly edited for this game (thanks enomis!)



General Rules:


1. Site Rules apply.
2. You may not quote your role PM, you may not quote any other PMs from me, and you may not quote the time at which I sent you any PM.
3.
This shade of green (#CCFFDD)
is my mod colour. Don't impersonate me.
4. No invisible/small/encrypted text is allowed.
5. If you have a question or concern, or if you think that I may have made an error, do not hesitate to ask in-topic or by PM. Be sure to bold requests directed at me so that I see them.
5. If you break any of these rules, or if I deem it to be appropriate, you could be warned, force-replaced, or modkilled, depending on the severity of what you did.
6. If a player is modkilled, they will die and become a Neutral Survivor resulting in their loss.
7. Please be respectful and kind towards other players. I understand that Mafia can be a heated game sometimes, but there is a line, and if you cross it the game stops being fun. In particular, personal attacks are not allowed.
8. Once you die you may not post anymore.
9. No encryption please. Breadcrumbing is fine, but things like encrypting your role into scrambled text are not. If you have any questions about what does and does not violate this rule, feel free to ask me, and I will answer.
10. Don’t claim scum with another player in a serious manner. I will judge what counts as serious; don't toe the line. Claiming scum by yourself is fine, but please don’t lose the game intentionally by doing so.
11. Don’t work against your win condition.
12. Don’t use provable randomness. Saying “I rolled a dice and it landed on 2” is acceptable; posting a screenshot of you using random.org, or using dice tags, is not acceptable.
13. Use your common sense; I try to include as much as I can but this is probably not an exhaustive list of all things you are not allowed to do.
14. I reserve the right to change any of these rules or any of the time, or make any judgement irregardless of what these rules say (although I will try to follow what I have said here as closely as possible.)
15. The spirit of these rules is what counts, not the exact wording. If you find a loophole in these rules, don't be surprised when I modkill you anyway.

Special Mechanics:


16. The regular voting system does not apply. Instead,
anyone can self-vote in the main thread at any time, instantly treestumping their neighborhood
. Town wins if mafia gets treestumped, mafia wins if all other neighborhoods get treestumped.
17. Votes must use the bold tags or the vote tags, like this: VOTE: NotAJumbleOfNumbers or this:
Vote: NotAJumbleOfNumbers
. please try and use recognisable names/nicknames wherever possible.

Deadlines:


18. Deadlines are 2 weeks long, although I may extend this if I deem it appropriate. If deadline expires without any neighbourhood being treestumped,
MAFIA WINS.

19. When a town neighbourhood is treestumped, I will make a mod post about it and the next day will begin after my mod post. You are allowed to post at anytime in this game.

Prodding and Activity:


20. If a player fails to post for 48 consecutive hours, they will be prodded. If that player does not post for another 24 hours after they've been prodded, they'll be replaced.
21. If you are going away, or if you have limited access to the site, notify me by pm or in-topic so that I know not to prod or replace you. The maximum amount of time you may go without posting due to V/LA is 120 hours (five days).

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:53 pm
by NotAJumbleOfNumbers
Link to setup

Basic Setup:
  • 2 neighborhoods with 3 VTs
  • 1 neighborhood with 1 VT and 2 Mafia
Mechanics:
  • Neighborhood membership is public
  • Nightless
  • There are no lynches. Instead, anyone can self-vote in the main thread at any time, instantly treestumping their neighborhood. Town wins if mafia gets treestumped, mafia wins if all other neighborhoods get treestumped.
Spoiler: Sample Role PMs
Welcome to Open 782! You are a
Vanilla Townie
.

Your neighborhood is with X and Y, which you can access
here
.

You win when the Mafia are treestumped before both Town neighborhoods are treestumped.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Welcome to Open 782! You are a
Mafia Goon
.

Your teammate is X, and you both share a neighborhood with Y, which you can access
here
.

You win when both Town neighborhoods are treestumped.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:13 pm
by NotAJumbleOfNumbers
Role PMs are sent. Waiting for 8/9 confirmations to start game.

(expired on 2020-06-20 00:13:16) left to confirm your role PM. 9/9 confirmations received.

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:53 am
by NotAJumbleOfNumbers
With 8/9 confirmations, day 1 begins.

Reminder: The list of neighborhoods are shown in the "Currently Alive" spoiler.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-06-30 14:53:24).

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:57 am
by Galron
Hey cool cats.

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:03 am
by Auro
Umm where's the Mafia PT

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:03 am
by Auro
whoops

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:05 am
by superbowl9
First thing we need to do is root out the conspiracy theorists. Raise your hand if you don't believe in the moon landings

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:13 am
by Morning Tweet
hi hi hi Isis hi gobble hi Adorbs hi Auro hi Drew hi everybody!

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:15 am
by Doctor Drew
In post 8, superbowl9 wrote:First thing we need to do is root out the conspiracy theorists. Raise your hand if you don't believe in the moon landings
I don't believe in the moon.

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:25 am
by superbowl9
In post 10, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 8, superbowl9 wrote:First thing we need to do is root out the conspiracy theorists. Raise your hand if you don't believe in the moon landings
I don't believe in the moon.
There’s one village cleared!
One to go :D

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:26 am
by Adorable
Hi everyone. Hi MT and welcome back.

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:32 am
by Tommy Two Times
...did you just welcome yourself back?

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:33 am
by Tommy Two Times
The real conspiracy was the friends we made along the way.

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:35 am
by Tommy Two Times
The real conspiracy was the friends we made along the way.

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:00 am
by Isis
Hi Morning Tweet.

It's been pointed out before that being no fun and using pseudovotes to collectively select a neighborhood that will be forced to destroy itself is better EV than playing normally. This is a lot more workable in this variant of the setup because theres an odd number of neighborhoods.

this setup is based on a shitpost I made once

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:25 am
by Tommy Two Times
I just want to be transparent with the thread and let everyone know because I think transparency with the thread is important right now:

Isis and superbowl are having a massive 1v1 in the hood. It's kind of weird but Isis thinks superbowl is town acting intentionally scummy, and superbowl is denying it and accusing Isis of conspiring. It's getting kind of heated and I'm uncomfortable standing in the crossfire. Any advice for how I should be handling this, to put a handle on it?

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:47 am
by Morning Tweet
In post 16, Isis wrote:Hi Morning Tweet.

It's been pointed out before that being no fun and using pseudovotes to collectively select a neighborhood that will be forced to destroy itself is better EV than playing normally. This is a lot more workable in this variant of the setup because theres an odd number of neighborhoods.

this setup is based on a shitpost I made once
Ah, cause an individual voting themself only has a 1/7 chance to be right, whereas if we vote on hoods we have a 1/3 chance then a 1/2 chance.. kind of ?
Tommy Two Times wrote:I just want to be transparent with the thread and let everyone know because I think transparency with the thread is important right now:

Isis and superbowl are having a massive 1v1 in the hood. It's kind of weird but Isis thinks superbowl is town acting intentionally scummy, and superbowl is denying it and accusing Isis of conspiring. It's getting kind of heated and I'm uncomfortable standing in the crossfire. Any advice for how I should be handling this, to put a handle on it?
That is certainly interesting, especially so if you're town and you don't think it's theatre. I am not really sure why any of that is happening -- a townie supposedly acts intentionally scummy, gets it pointed out that they're scummy town, they deny it, and then they call the accuser a conspirator.

try offering them both food, then maybe you could all have a snack break and calm down for a while

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:53 am
by Isis
That's exactly right Morning Tweet!
In the previous version of the setup with 3 hoods you need a 4/6 consensus to actually vote a hood which is kind of similar to getting one defector in a hood to be the 4th vote and social deduction wise even though the EV is different the gameplay on that is Weird and Hard to actually trade in your 1/4th and get 1/2. But in this case we have like the 3 people from the towniest hood able to render judgement on which of the two other hoods is the scummier one and the democracy works out smoothly without gridlock and deadline panics

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:53 am
by Isis
I'm gonna hold some comment about the events in my hood for a bit

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:06 pm
by Tommy Two Times
Isis wants me to let her resolve it but I really think everyone needs to know this. I'll summarise what happened, Morning Tweet:

>superbowl entered the hood saying it was a lovely hood and he's really looking forward to this (grinning emoji face)
>I entered and greeted him normally
>Isis enters and asks him about why he's so excited
>He says no reason in particular, but the setup looks cool
>Isis asks him what's cool about the setup
>superbowl does a u-turn in attitude and threatens to
self-vote on the spot
(not kidding) because he thinks Isis is being weirdly antagonistic
>They have a back and forth here and I won't summarise every post, but basically Isis thinks he's intentionally acting scummy and doesn't get why, and superbowl is accusing her of scummy anti-OMGUS

The thing is he outright refuses to talk to me now and is insisting we're both scum. I just want us to be friends, and I don't think this is theatre. What should I do? I need advice on what to do, because I don't think our hood is in a theatre.

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:09 pm
by Tommy Two Times
If people think what I'm describing is theatre however, I am open to self-voting and trusting in the WOTC, in the WOTC.

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:20 pm
by superbowl9
In post 17, Tommy Two Times wrote:I just want to be transparent with the thread and let everyone know because I think transparency with the thread is important right now:

Isis and superbowl are having a massive 1v1 in the hood. It's kind of weird but Isis thinks superbowl is town acting intentionally scummy, and superbowl is denying it and accusing Isis of conspiring. It's getting kind of heated and I'm uncomfortable standing in the crossfire. Any advice for how I should be handling this, to put a handle on it?
Can confirm

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:31 pm
by Morning Tweet
In post 21, Tommy Two Times wrote:Isis wants me to let her resolve it but I really think everyone needs to know this. I'll summarise what happened, Morning Tweet:

>superbowl entered the hood saying it was a lovely hood and he's really looking forward to this (grinning emoji face)
>I entered and greeted him normally
>Isis enters and asks him about why he's so excited
>He says no reason in particular, but the setup looks cool
>Isis asks him what's cool about the setup
>superbowl does a u-turn in attitude and threatens to
self-vote on the spot
(not kidding) because he thinks Isis is being weirdly antagonistic
>They have a back and forth here and I won't summarise every post, but basically Isis thinks he's intentionally acting scummy and doesn't get why, and superbowl is accusing her of scummy anti-OMGUS

The thing is he outright refuses to talk to me now and is insisting we're both scum. I just want us to be friends, and I don't think this is theatre. What should I do? I need advice on what to do, because I don't think our hood is in a theatre.
My first thought would be: if Tommy is town, then the entire hood is probably town, unless it seems really theatrey. I suppose it's also possible that Tommy is scum with Isis or superbowl and this is a real TvS interaction between superbowl and Isis, i just don't really have enough info to know what's most likely yet