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[LicketyQuickety]

GL, How much have you played with Norwegian?

[LicketyQuickety]

this is our third game together, we've been both scum and both town

Nice. So I can lightly TR you for your vote on Norwegian since I have played with him as Scum twice.

[LicketyQuickety]

Ohai everybody

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

I'll be back after Animal Crossing errands

The path to blue roses is paved with blood sweat and repetitive stress injuries

Are you looking for an easy mislynch?

[LicketyQuickety]

vote: licketquickety

sup

You don't say?

[LicketyQuickety]

this is our third game together, we've been both scum and both town

Nice. So I can lightly TR you for your vote on Norwegian since I have played with him as Scum twice.

I think it's a little early to be TRing me just for that but I'll take it

My early TRs are usually legit, but I often second guess them later.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

hi nEE!

Early scumread on your slot already. I always vote my best buds when i’m scum to "fit in". You’re clearly trying to mask your deep affections for you with this deceivery and i shall not stand for it.

I am a Miller Mason.

Pleased to meet you. I’m going to just immediately assume you are town. After all, your name is truth. So it seems legit.

Don't like the SR on GL and don't like calling Truth Town based on the claim.

VOTE: Norwegian

Also @Truth, this is a game people lie a lot in. cuss words are not really something you can control.

[LicketyQuickety]

Quick. This is vital for my read on your slot. Do you have trouble detecting sarcasm and jokeey posts with serious ones?

If you were being sarcastic, then it's NAI for you.

[LicketyQuickety]

Quick. This is vital for my read on your slot. Do you have trouble detecting sarcasm and jokeey posts with serious ones?

If you were being sarcastic, then it's NAI for you.

What are you basing this knowledge on?

You as a person.

[LicketyQuickety]

I do not understand LicketyQuickety's reason to townread GuiltyLion based on him voting for Norwegianboy. Norwegainboy was yet to post.

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

I would like you to elaborate on your reasons.

I already stated my reasons. I said I have seen Norwegian as Scum twice. They are an easy read for me when they are Scum. I assume something similar with GL. It's a rough estimate, sure, but the game just started and I did say it was a light Town read.

[LicketyQuickety]

Quick. This is vital for my read on your slot. Do you have trouble detecting sarcasm and jokeey posts with serious ones?

If you were being sarcastic, then it's NAI for you.

What are you basing this knowledge on?

You as a person.

But you have only seen my scum games up to now correct? How would you know sarcasm is NAI for me in that case?

I'm smart.

[LicketyQuickety]

I do not understand LicketyQuickety's reason to townread GuiltyLion based on him voting for Norwegianboy. Norwegainboy was yet to post.

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

I would like you to elaborate on your reasons.

I already stated my reasons. I said I have seen Norwegian as Scum twice. They are an easy read for me when they are Scum. I assume something similar with GL. It's a rough estimate, sure, but the game just started and I did say it was a light Town read.

...what? Truth was asking why you’d townread someone for voting a slot that had not yet posted anything.

Yes, because it follows that in the early game you vote for pressure. I am ASSUMING that is what GL is doing here. I could be wrong on that, and it could actually be that GL is Scum and knows you are Town, now that I think about it. But you have given me what I want and I can lightly TR you now so...

UNVOTE:

[LicketyQuickety]

Popopo. You will be my voting slave this game as payback for me having saved your ass in Large 227. Deal? Good.

ok this works for me

VOTE: popo

[LicketyQuickety]

I will be crumbing my Mason buddies in the event that I die, but will be doing so stealthily, to make them hard to spot for the untrained eye. Please do not look too closely for crumbs or you are part of the mafia.

This is actually quite Scummy. Reason is as follows: There's no reason to say this. You can very well crumb who you are masons with without actually saying you are going to crumb. The reasons for why this is Scummy also is because Truth has already started compromising on their meta. I say this eluding to the fact that they will tolerate cuss words given some circumstance. Overall, that is enough for me to not trust the claim at least and not buy the gimmick that they do not lie. Once a compromise is established, it ruins the whole not lying thing. Which is why I started at baseline in pointing out that people lie in this game to Truth. What Truth seems to have done there is not confirm or deny said statement, which means there's really no reason for Truth to state they will be crumbing who they are masons with, hence, a contradiction and an inconsistent narrative.

VOTE: Truth

Let me know if you understand this or not. Truth be told (heh) Truth has already shattered the narrative they set for themselves in their first posts of their existence, which leads me to believe that they are lying about being millar masons as well and this may as well be cover up for them being Scum and trying to tell the truth who they are Scum with.

All that said, I would totally lynch this slot in this instant given the above. I trust this will be met with heavy resistance from Scum and Town will not see the validity of what I am saying. I trust the judgement of those keen on reasoning and not just being non-thinking meat robots.

[LicketyQuickety]

Oy Mavs, are you scum this time?

I feel totally validated ignoring this comment to kingdom come.

[LicketyQuickety]

As for Truth’s claim i don’t usually...

This is not just a "usually" type of player. Their gimmick is that they tell the truth. They are betting on people buying they are telling the truth for as long as they can get away with it.

[LicketyQuickety]

Good evening folks,

Interesting. I would like everyone to know I am a Miller Mason. I have buddies but I won't be revealing who they are at this time. For now, I will act as their representative.

What is that even supposed to mean, act as their representative?

59 does not come from any town with an iq that has anywhere near 3 digits

Truth's immediate claim is kinda ballsy unless it's true. I feel 59 was just pushing back, why is it such a bad idea?

Changing gears, 44 isn't the greatest comeback with the whole fake millers are all mafia argument (if I'm understanding that right). That would be such a huge downfall for the scum if they identified together and then one gets lynched and we find out who they are. Of course we would take the rest down. That just sounds like a terrible strategy I would never think the scum would use unless they were complete morons. So VOTE: LicketyQuickety because scum aren't stupid and we have to hunt smart.

Lick, what would your strategy be as scum? Fly under the radar? Big and bold to seem fearless of dying? Something else?

Oh, you are trying to dialog with a SR. That's interesting. "shoot first ask questions later"?

How about you evaluate people based on play and not claims.

[LicketyQuickety]

As for Truth’s claim i don’t usually...

This is not just a "usually" type of player. Their gimmick is that they tell the truth. They are betting on people buying they are telling the truth for as long as they can get away with it.

What gives you the reason to believe this? I have told you this isn't true. I'm not sure if you missed my post or are intentionally ignoring it.

It's in my case against you, namely, you compromised on the cuss thing. Then you gave no mention at all about me saying people lie in this game unless what you said, "I see" in 23. So are you saying now that your gimmick isn't and has never been not to lie? If that's the case then why opped to tell everyone you are going to crumb your mason buddies? There's really no reason to do that unless you have the gimmick to only tell the truth, which at this point has been thoroughly ousted. Why wouldn't you now change your stance on lying given the former?

Also, your OMGUS is ill founded given your initial reason for voting me has been dissed since I am actually being quite clear with my thought process. But you vote me SO THAT I will answer. But I did. So why do you continue to vote me?

[LicketyQuickety]

Sorry I'm new to playing online, what's SR?

Scum Read. And that explains why you don't buy my case, in part. Because you've only seen so much in F2F and not "whacky" and/or "gimmicks" in Forum Mafia.

[LicketyQuickety]

Quick, if you are town i implore you to abandon this push. It’s quite a reach to assume someone is scum for claiming miller mason, and then suggesting they will only tell the truth when they’ve already stated their name has no bearing on behaviour.

Oh, you are trying to dialog with a SR. That's interesting. "shoot first ask questions later"?

Having a dialogue with your scumread is natural and has many benefits to town. Don’t like how you’re trying to portray it negatively here.

No offense, but you are totally wrong here.

I really hate this white knite of Truth here. I've stated WHY I think they STARTED with a truth gimmick, namely, because they said they would crumb their mason buddies when there's not really a reason to do that unless you are 1) new OR 2) establishing a truth gimmick. The fact they know what a crumb is means the purpose for stating they would crumb is pointless, since it should be fairly apparent that they would do that regardless, hence, it's 2. Which means they have already broken character in favor of meeting their win con.

I would also point you to the last half of 44, which is an established pattern for me at this point in my Town play. Remember when I was tunneled on you and you were Scum? Yeah, think I am doing that here only to someone else.

[LicketyQuickety]

Yeah I have played for years face to face and have a lot of fun with it. That's how I've always played. If I suspect someone, I prod and ask questions to get answers and more to go on. You're the only one I see making an argument that doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

That's actually pretty par for the course for me. See siggy for details.

[LicketyQuickety]

You can argue i’m white knighting Quick, but i’m simply not keen on lynching a mason claim on day 1. And that’s final. Either mafia will kill a mason and confirm their existence or they will eventually need to claim.

Except Scum won't kill a MILLAR claim. Duh. You're basically playing right into the claim's hands doing that. I think a millar claim deserves SERIOUS pressure and then you evaluate them on play. That's exactly what I am doing.

[LicketyQuickety]

But I am confirmable by my partners. I am new to this site but have played mafia on others before. One of my partners suggested I crumb to thread. I haven't had a chance to make any yet because of all the attention and scrutiny you are putting me under.

The same partner is telling me to ignore you but I think you are acting like mafia.

No, I am actually playing correctly given your millar claim.

[LicketyQuickety]

59 does not come from any town with an iq that has anywhere near 3 digits

what do you think the average iq for players on this site is

i suppose you have a point

The average IQ on this site is almost definitely above 100.

[LicketyQuickety]

I have buddies

Given this ^ it's a hood and not actually masons.

[LicketyQuickety]

i'm starting to have serious doubts that you're mason

59 does not come from any town with an iq that has anywhere near 3 digits

I will ignore your insult and point out the obvious: You are shading me without advocating my lynch. You are testing the waters to see if others are open to pushing me, in which case you would join. That is what it looks like to me.

that's just not true at all. i'm calling your stupid plays out as what they are: stupid plays. I'm not advocating for anyone's lynch and if you legitimately believe that, youre delusional

That is exactly my point. You are calling me out and shading me while not advocating my lynch. This looks like a mafia play to me. If people agree with you and start voting me, I expect you will then be fine with my lynch, but right now, you are not pushing it because it may make you look like mafia if not enough people get behind it.

He's actually defending you there...

[LicketyQuickety]

LicketyQuickety surely doesn't believe his conspiracy theory of me being mafia trying to tell the truth. Is he making it up on the spot in an attempt to look like town?

That's a misrep of my case on you.

[LicketyQuickety]

Quick, if you are town i implore you to abandon this push. It’s quite a reach to assume someone is scum for claiming miller mason, and then suggesting they will only tell the truth when they’ve already stated their name has no bearing on behaviour.

Oh, you are trying to dialog with a SR. That's interesting. "shoot first ask questions later"?

Having a dialogue with your scumread is natural and has many benefits to town. Don’t like how you’re trying to portray it negatively here.

No offense, but you are totally wrong here.

I really hate this white knite of Truth here. I've stated WHY I think they STARTED with a truth gimmick, namely, because they said they would crumb their mason buddies when there's not really a reason to do that unless you are 1) new OR 2) establishing a truth gimmick. The fact they know what a crumb is means the purpose for stating they would crumb is pointless, since it should be fairly apparent that they would do that regardless, hence, it's 2. Which means they have already broken character in favor of meeting their win con.

I would also point you to the last half of 44, which is an established pattern for me at this point in my Town play. Remember when I was tunneled on you and you were Scum? Yeah, think I am doing that here only to someone else.

can you at least accept that if he is lying about his role it will become apparent when no one claims mason with him

I kinda just don't want to "wait and see" since I think my case is pretty legit actually. No one is going to come in here and claim that it's just a hood and not masons, which honestly worries me given the claim.

[LicketyQuickety]

still, i dont think outing the hood, masons or not, is a good idea.

Yes, I agree with this. Not until we get a couple flips at least.

Still, I think my case is decent. Your stance on my case is somewhat nuanced as well as Osuka, so that is a good look for both of you.

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GL's silence is concerning me. I don't know if they are just busy or lurking at this point. Neither would surprise me. They are either Town for pressuring Norwegian, or Scum knowing Norwegian is Town.

[LicketyQuickety]

Either way, I am going to use the plural form.

Why? Don't you think that muddies the waters beyond reason?

[LicketyQuickety]

why is it a bad idea to out if I'm just in a neighbourhood?

There is nothing wrong with that at all actually. Just that it makes your play more complicated given you said it was masons when it wasn't. This could just be based on ignorance, but then again not because you claimed millar. Which means you knew on some level that your hood (never heard of a millar mason before) could be made of Town AND Scum. If that's the case, then perhaps outing the hood would be a good idea given if you really are millar there is likely one Scum in the hood. I can see a 3 person hood with one millar and one Scum and another just Town. That's actually not far from where I see things heading with hoods given mods have tended to use them so much. I could also buy that you are just Scum, thought the hood was actually a masonry, and claimed millar as a kind of "oops" that you couldn't have known how hoods work.

[LicketyQuickety]

I may or may not be in a neighbourhood. I am open to someone claiming neighbours with me which I will play along with. Of course, it might also be my real neighbour if I am in a neighbourhood. This would be the Wifom element at play, and should make it difficult for mafia to decide whether I am a Mason or a neighbour.

No one is going to claim they are masons with you unless they are, except they would never do that. If it's a hood someone MIGHT do that, but again, that would just mean that they are actually in your hood. What Town incentive is there to lie about being in a hood/mason with you?

[LicketyQuickety]

I kinda don't want to make this whole day about a single claim, so going to...

UNVOTE: Truth
VOTE: Guilty Lion

Unless he can impress me with some decent content, I'd like my vote here.

[LicketyQuickety]

More than 2 masons in a mini setup sounds implausible. A hood would be more likely for that.

Truth has all but admitted it's a hood. It's a hood until proven otherwise.

[LicketyQuickety]

Do you feel we have a legitimate claim 7 pages in?

I don't think there is a rule that you can't claim within 7 pages...

What do YOU think about the claim? Do you believe they are millar?

[LicketyQuickety]

So I haven’t fully finished the read but wanted to comment about LicketyQuickety going after the miller/mason claim. In 84, you mention the two possibilities for going after Truth’s claim. I would argue it’s #1 and he’s new vs #2. Post 52 should tell you that. Truth saying he has his mason buddies coming forward to verify his claim, that would look horrible coming from scum. If scum!Truth is fake claiming miller/mason then his buddies would be scum. To 1) be scum and suggest his partners will verify his claim is one helluva gambit if ANYONE of them were to be lynched, you could easily link them together 2) to not know how that would sound saying he has buddies coming forward with players being skeptical of his claim and not being aware of the optics of this. This tells me that he hasn’t even considered how scummy it would be to say “hey guys. I have a private chat and will show guilty to a cop’s investigation, but don’t worry cause I’ve got people in that private chat to verify I’m town.” That sounds scummy af and Truth seems to just not have even considered the optics. Basically his 52 reads to me like someone being like I’m confirmed town cause my buddies will back me up without even considering scum could make the same exact claim with scum buddies backing that fake claim up. As of right now, I hafta accept his claim here (at least for now).

There's one problem with this...

In hoods, it's extremely common for there to be at least one Scum in the hood. That's pretty par for the course.

[LicketyQuickety]

So I haven’t fully finished the read but wanted to comment about LicketyQuickety going after the miller/mason claim. In 84, you mention the two possibilities for going after Truth’s claim. I would argue it’s #1 and he’s new vs #2. Post 52 should tell you that. Truth saying he has his mason buddies coming forward to verify his claim, that would look horrible coming from scum. If scum!Truth is fake claiming miller/mason then his buddies would be scum. To 1) be scum and suggest his partners will verify his claim is one helluva gambit if ANYONE of them were to be lynched, you could easily link them together 2) to not know how that would sound saying he has buddies coming forward with players being skeptical of his claim and not being aware of the optics of this. This tells me that he hasn’t even considered how scummy it would be to say “hey guys. I have a private chat and will show guilty to a cop’s investigation, but don’t worry cause I’ve got people in that private chat to verify I’m town.” That sounds scummy af and Truth seems to just not have even considered the optics. Basically his 52 reads to me like someone being like I’m confirmed town cause my buddies will back me up without even considering scum could make the same exact claim with scum buddies backing that fake claim up. As of right now, I hafta accept his claim here (at least for now).

There's one problem with this...

In hoods, it's extremely common for there to be at least one Scum in the hood. That's pretty par for the course.

we just played in a game with a 3 town hood

Yeah, I said it was common, not a hard and fast rule. But I think you are kinda neglecting the general rule that most of the time hoods have at least one Scum in them. That actually seems to be the baseline for hood. Given that, ofc there are going to be adaptations from that. That doesn't make the general rule go away, however.

[LicketyQuickety]

If Truth is actually an neighbor and lied about being mason then i would get really suspicious of them just saying.

There is some truth to the fact Truth is new. That much is clear. It's just a question of how much do they actually know that's the problem. Claiming millar D1 is the correct play, so as far as that goes, if he IS millar, he made the right play. However, that would demonstrate a bit of familiarity with site meta, which would mean he isn't new. That would complicate things immensely. Still, the "right play" is to pressure the millar claim and evaluate them based on play and not just the claim.

[LicketyQuickety]

Popopo. You will be my voting slave

Spoiler:

More than 2 masons in a mini setup sounds implausible. A hood would be more likely for that.

Truth has all but admitted it's a hood. It's a hood until proven otherwise.

Do you feel we have a legitimate claim 7 pages in?

Do you think Truth is telling the truth about his role?

Why are you trying to avoid RVS?

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VOTE: LicketyQuickety Consider it a reward for your...effort

I kinda don't like this post.

-Apathy
-laziness
-voting for no reason

Don't like anything about this post actually.

[LicketyQuickety]

Could I suggest we move on from this discussion for now and pretend it didn't happen?

As for the arguments to not no lynch, my thinking was that people usually no lynch on even numbers because it makes no difference in the number of lynches left and gives our roles more information. Since we will likely go to even numbers at some point this game due to a doctor saving me or my buddies, why not no lynch on the first day?

omegalul what planet do you live on? NL is almost universally bad unless you're in mylo

you're literally going to give me an aneurysm if you keep talking about the game, you, and your buddies the way you are. it's giving me an almost unbearable urge to put my head through the wall

there's also zero guarantee that there is only one killing role. that means no vig, no neutral-aligned killer, and no multiball (though this last one is pretty unlikely)

This is kinda Scummy.

It seems OTT.

It also seems like you are not doing anything at all except complaining about how bad Truth is playing. I haven't really seen you do any Scum hunting. Your completely focussed on the claim and nothing else. Don't like this look from you. If you are as smart as you think you are, you would just ignore Truth and hunt elsewhere.

[LicketyQuickety]

Now i’m gonna sound like a noob, but what’s OTT?

Over the top.

[LicketyQuickety]

Well, does anyone have any strong feelings of mafia from any other players? I would be fine with lynching but it doesn't seem like anyone has any leads.

I've pushed like 3-4 people besides you. Given I was the first person to question your claim, I would sorta hope that you would have picked up on that.

[LicketyQuickety]

Well, does anyone have any strong feelings of mafia from any other players? I would be fine with lynching but it doesn't seem like anyone has any leads.

I've pushed like 3-4 people besides you. Given I was the first person to question your claim, I would sorta hope that you would have picked up on that.

Who are these 3-4?

GL, Lucky, Osuka. Are you even reading or what?

[LicketyQuickety]

Well, does anyone have any strong feelings of mafia from any other players? I would be fine with lynching but it doesn't seem like anyone has any leads.

I've pushed like 3-4 people besides you. Given I was the first person to question your claim, I would sorta hope that you would have picked up on that.

Who are these 3-4?

GL, Looker, Osuka. Are you even reading or what?

EBWOP

[LicketyQuickety]

I am reading. I don't remember everything. I am suspicious of Osuka as well so I can help here.

VOTE: Osuka

How could you possibly have missed that? It's on the same page you said people were too focussed on your claim that I pointed out Osuka is too focussed on your claim. How exactly DID you miss that?

[LicketyQuickety]

Currently I am trying to figure out if Truth is TSTBS or just Scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

I am reading. I don't remember everything. I am suspicious of Osuka as well so I can help here.

VOTE: Osuka

How could you possibly have missed that? It's on the same page you said people were too focussed on your claim that I pointed out Osuka is too focussed on your claim. How exactly DID you miss that?

he actually can be forgiven for missing your "push" because honestly I'm staggered that you dared call it a push in the first place

I didn't call it a push.

[LicketyQuickety]

so to recap:

1. game-unrelated miscellaneous comment on my ad hominem;
2. interaction with a different slot altogether pointing out that their push on me is not, in your view, based on an accurate interpretation of my post;
3. pointing out that you think my post it "kinda scummy"
4. claiming that you pushed me

I'd love for you to push me as Scum at this point. It would actually make you look pretty bad considering I have a few votes on me for really no reason so this could just be an excuse to push "next to top Scummyness".

Plus, you've misrepped my read on you. I said you were wasting time, not actually pushing the claim.

[LicketyQuickety]

let me emphasize this just so there's literally no question on anyone's mind

And let me emphasize something:

theres really not that much content from other players, but i'm taking notes here and i just don't have a lot to go off of in terms of a good scumread.

So you think you have done more than me or are you just OMGUSing me pure and straight up?

[LicketyQuickety]

let me emphasize this just so there's literally no question on anyone's mind

And let me emphasize something:

theres really not that much content from other players, but i'm taking notes here and i just don't have a lot to go off of in terms of a good scumread.

So you think you have done more than me or are you just OMGUSing me pure and straight up?

no

Then shut it. I've already helped work out the claim more than you, I've pushed stuff more than you, I've Scum hunted more than you, I've gamesolved more than you. You have no more reasons to hide behind your OMGUS.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: lq
this is the most stunning display of self-contradiction and sheer lack of sense that i've seen in a long time

Pot/kettle

You want to PL me when we have a millar claim that you think is retarded. Yeah, you can take your read on me to the grave. There was nothing wrong with my push on you. What I said was actually true. Somehow you want to twist that into something it's not. Is there something wrong with me pressuring you for you wasting Town's time with all your incessant complaining?

Go ahead, give me a reason why you think I am Scum. I'll wait.

[LicketyQuickety]

Well, does anyone have any strong feelings of mafia from any other players? I would be fine with lynching but it doesn't seem like anyone has any leads.

I am reading. I don't remember everything. I am suspicious of Osuka as well so I can help here.

VOTE: Osuka

What made you start suspecting osuka

He’s just really dense and he doesn’t like how I talk, I take it

You realize you holding this position makes you look really bad if Truth flips Scum, right? Like, you have a bad case of a double standard here. On the one hand, you say Truth is stupid, but for some reason you feel content to otherwise leave the slot alone in terms of actually giving a Town/Scum read on that slot. On the other hand, you want to PL me because... why, exactly? Because I pushed you for your non-committal, complaining that doesn't help solve the game at ALL? No one can see your notes, bro. Why do you expect us to just believe you are Town here. But far be it from anyone else to push you. Oh no, can't have that, can we?

So your stance on Truth is Scummy since you haven't actually said anything about that slot in terms of Scum/Town except to say they are incompetent - meanwhile, me, who is trying their hardest to sort the claim while providing other takes on the game as well you want to PL for having one stance you disagree with, namely, a push on you for doing nothing but complaining? Yeah, inconsistent isn't the half of it.

[LicketyQuickety]

Well, does anyone have any strong feelings of mafia from any other players? I would be fine with lynching but it doesn't seem like anyone has any leads.

I am reading. I don't remember everything. I am suspicious of Osuka as well so I can help here.

VOTE: Osuka

What made you start suspecting osuka

He’s just really dense and he doesn’t like how I talk, I take it

You realize you holding this position makes you look really bad if Truth flips Scum, right? Like, you have a bad case of a double standard here. On the one hand, you say Truth is stupid, but for some reason you feel content to otherwise leave the slot alone in terms of actually giving a Town/Scum read on that slot. On the other hand, you want to PL me because... why, exactly? Because I pushed you for your non-committal, complaining that doesn't help solve the game at ALL? No one can see your notes, bro. Why do you expect us to just believe you are Town here. But far be it from anyone else to push you. Oh no, can't have that, can we?

So your stance on Truth is Scummy since you haven't actually said anything about that slot in terms of Scum/Town except to say they are incompetent - meanwhile, me, who is trying their hardest to sort the claim while providing other takes on the game as well you want to PL for having one stance you disagree with, namely, a push on you for doing nothing but complaining? Yeah, inconsistent isn't the half of it.

you didn't push me but you clearly claimed to have done so, and then backpedalled 2 posts later. that's

really

weird.

i never said truth isn't scummy and in fact i would very much consider a lynch on that slot, but i'd much rather push you right now (that's what I'm doing) and i can do that regardless of what i think about truth.

nice misrep though

I haven't backpedaled shit, bro. Where do you think I backpedaled? I never did that.

Oh, and you should probably now give your definition of what you think a contradiction is.

Why would you rather push me than Truth? You haven't ever pushed Truth. So why exactly are you choosing to push me over Truth right now? Do you think I am an easier read than Truth? Is that why you prefer pushing me over Truth? Or maybe you don't like the thought I have actually given for Truth and think maybe if you push me it will distract me from looking at Truth.

There's no practical reason why you would rather push me over truth. Plus, you went from wanting to PL me and thinking it's better I am out of the game to now just making it out to be a push? Excuse me, you said I was contradicting myself? How about you look in the mirror?

[LicketyQuickety]

I am reading. I don't remember everything. I am suspicious of Osuka as well so I can help here.

VOTE: Osuka

How could you possibly have missed that? It's on the same page you said people were too focussed on your claim that I pointed out Osuka is too focussed on your claim. How exactly DID you miss that?

he actually can be forgiven for missing your "push" because honestly I'm staggered that you dared call it a push in the first place

I didn't call it a push.

Osuka thinks this post by you was a backpedal because you said you were pushing him earlier in 195

Well, then Osuka needs to learn how to read.

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I am reading. I don't remember everything. I am suspicious of Osuka as well so I can help here.

VOTE: Osuka

How could you possibly have missed that? It's on the same page you said people were too focussed on your claim that I pointed out Osuka is too focussed on your claim. How exactly DID you miss that?

he actually can be forgiven for missing your "push" because honestly I'm staggered that you dared call it a push in the first place

What would you call it besides a push? I did say it was a push, but the fact that you focus on my wording instead of my actions tells a whole lot more about you then me. It was pretty clear that I put pressure on you. call it a push, call it pressure, call it Scum hunting, doesn't really matter what you call it. It's pretty clear you keep majoring on the minors. First it was my word choice, now it's something about how you personally categorize stuff, meanwhile, you HAVEN'T actually put any pressure, pushed, Scum hunted really anyone in this game at all except me based on a technicality that is beyond weak. For lack of a better term, it's a bad push.

VOTE: Osuka

For the contradiction of pushing me and not Truth.

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I am reading. I don't remember everything. I am suspicious of Osuka as well so I can help here.

VOTE: Osuka

How could you possibly have missed that? It's on the same page you said people were too focussed on your claim that I pointed out Osuka is too focussed on your claim. How exactly DID you miss that?

he actually can be forgiven for missing your "push" because honestly I'm staggered that you dared call it a push in the first place

What would you call it besides a push? I did say it was a push, but the fact that you focus on my wording instead of my actions tells a whole lot more about you then me. It was pretty clear that I put pressure on you. call it a push, call it pressure, call it Scum hunting, doesn't really matter what you call it. It's pretty clear you keep majoring on the minors. First it was my word choice, now it's something about how you personally categorize stuff, meanwhile, you HAVEN'T actually put any pressure, pushed, Scum hunted really anyone in this game at all except me based on a technicality that is beyond weak. For lack of a better term, it's a bad push.

VOTE: Osuka

For the contradiction of pushing me and not Truth.

and there it is, the classic scum meltdown into omgus

there's a lot to unpack here. in order: you didn't even cast shade on me. You literally just said "this post is kinda scummy and over the top" and proceeded to do ~literally fucking nothing~ about it, other than using it as leverage to defend yourself vs truth's own pseudo-push.

"the minors" are where people who are at least halfway competent slip in this game. the way you say things often reveals much more than the things you're actually saying (or omitting). Even if completely ignoring the fact that I actually did exactly what you suggested in 191 (i.e., pushed someone else - just happened to be you), i find it very difficult to believe that the sequence in 195-198-201-202 topped off by 208 comes from town

you got overly defensive way too quick and tried to spin the situation as if i was the offending party, when in fact you very directly contradicted yourself after making a very noncommittal poke at me to use it elsewhere in the game, then flipping right back to whatever version of it was most convenient for you at the time

I've never "melted down" as Scum. Why? Because I play strategically as Scum. I'm actually a lot better at Scum, but I prefer to play as Town.

I explained like a million times why I thought that post was Scummy and it had a larger connotation to the rest of your play as a whole rather than just that one post.

Why would I abandon my GL vote at that point in the game when GL hadn't returned yet? I voted you for pushing minor things that are NAI. For starters, defensiveness is NOT a Scum tell. I have said that so many times it's kinds dumb tbh.

I still don't like you complaining. That seems to be a personal problem, however. Maybe you want to fix that at some point? Your post I attacked you on WAS OTT. It's pretty clear that Truth saw that as well. Like I said, the ONLY reason I didn't vote you right then and there is because I didn't want to take my vote off GL, who I am thinking of going back to so my vote actually means something.

"i find it very difficult to believe that the sequence in 195-198-201-202 topped off by 208 comes from town" Why? Is this your "expert Scum hunting"? I'm Town, good luck lynching me if I make it past D1.

It's kinda bull shit that I tell you to to actually do something, anything and you end up pushing me for that. Like, does that really make any sense? I tell you to execute your own agency and you take it out on the people who suggested it? You world is kinda revolved around complaining and bitterness, isn't it?

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Could I suggest we move on from this discussion for now and pretend it didn't happen?

As for the arguments to not no lynch, my thinking was that people usually no lynch on even numbers because it makes no difference in the number of lynches left and gives our roles more information. Since we will likely go to even numbers at some point this game due to a doctor saving me or my buddies, why not no lynch on the first day?

omegalul what planet do you live on? NL is almost universally bad unless you're in mylo

you're literally going to give me an aneurysm if you keep talking about the game, you, and your buddies the way you are. it's giving me an almost unbearable urge to put my head through the wall

there's also zero guarantee that there is only one killing role. that means no vig, no neutral-aligned killer, and no multiball (though this last one is pretty unlikely)

This is kinda Scummy.

It seems OTT.

It also seems like you are not doing anything at all except complaining about how bad Truth is playing. I haven't really seen you do any Scum hunting. Your completely focussed on the claim and nothing else. Don't like this look from you. If you are as smart as you think you are, you would just ignore Truth and hunt elsewhere.

Just chiming in to say that Osuka definitely does this as town so it's probably NAI

You're going to have to link that.

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I

think

she means this

I'll wait for her to answer.

[LicketyQuickety]

Well, does anyone have any strong feelings of mafia from any other players? I would be fine with lynching but it doesn't seem like anyone has any leads.

I am reading. I don't remember everything. I am suspicious of Osuka as well so I can help here.

VOTE: Osuka

What made you start suspecting osuka

He’s just really dense and he doesn’t like how I talk, I take it

You realize you holding this position makes you look really bad if Truth flips Scum, right? Like, you have a bad case of a double standard here. On the one hand, you say Truth is stupid, but for some reason you feel content to otherwise leave the slot alone in terms of actually giving a Town/Scum read on that slot. On the other hand, you want to PL me because... why, exactly? Because I pushed you for your non-committal, complaining that doesn't help solve the game at ALL? No one can see your notes, bro. Why do you expect us to just believe you are Town here. But far be it from anyone else to push you. Oh no, can't have that, can we?

So your stance on Truth is Scummy since you haven't actually said anything about that slot in terms of Scum/Town except to say they are incompetent - meanwhile, me, who is trying their hardest to sort the claim while providing other takes on the game as well you want to PL for having one stance you disagree with, namely, a push on you for doing nothing but complaining? Yeah, inconsistent isn't the half of it.

You know how I kept trying to explain to people in our last game that your viewpoints make perfect sense to you in your head, but you're not able to get them out fully in your posts so that people are misinterpreting you or don't understand you frequently? You know how you wish that people would be more intellectually charitable to you about your points?

Why don't you apply that to how you read osuka's posts. Osuka's narrative makes sense from their perspective based on how he has read your posts. You fully contradicted yourself within 5 posts of saying you pushed osuka, and are now completely misconstruing what they're saying. You have extremely high confidence in your opinions even though most players won't agree with your premises or your conclusions and it makes your posting frequently anti-town. This isn't the first or last time people have talked about policy-lynching you and it's not happening repeatedly because every single one of these players is completely insane in the same way. Take a breather and re-evaluate the last 2 pages with more intellectual charity in mind.

Don't care about this until you link where osuka has been OTT.

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I

think

she means this

I'll wait for her to answer.

That is, in fact, what I was referring to. Specifically, day 2 of that game.

Okay, well I skimmed their ISO there and I saw him be just as prickly but I didn't see anything I would consider OTT.

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you're literally going to give me an aneurysm if you keep talking about the game, you, and your buddies the way you are. it's giving me an almost unbearable urge to put my head through the wall

This is what I am talking about specifically.

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I didn't see anything I would consider OTT.

Just to be clear for everyone else, the "nothing OTT" game that Quick purportedly just skimmed involved Osuka and Formerfish going so completely over the top with mocking 2 players' posts (and those players themselves) that 7/9 players in the game replaced out then and there, and at least 1 sitewide ban was given.

EBWOP

Right. osuka had a lot more agency and caring about solving the game in that game from what I could see. Here he doesn't actually push anything until someone tells him he isn't doing anything and then he pushes the person who told him that.

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The long and short of it is that I don't think osuka actually thinks I am Scum. They put a "high confidence" read out there with one thing they say and in another thing they say they call what they are doing a push. Not sure I really get the logic or consistency there. On the one hand, he's "sure" I am Scum and on the other he thinks I am a good person to push to get more out of. Not sure I really get the second iteration there as I have pretty much been an open book this game.

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The long and short of it is that I don't think osuka actually thinks I am Scum. They put a "high confidence" read out there with one thing they say and in another thing they say they call what they are doing a push. Not sure I really get the logic or consistency there. On the one hand, he's "sure" I am Scum and on the other he thinks I am a good person to push to get more out of. Not sure I really get the second iteration there as I have pretty much been an open book this game.

...Are you saying it's logically inconsistent to scum-read someone and to pressure that person for more content to evaluate at the same time?

No. I'm saying his stance on me doesn't seem like he actually SRs me. He MIGHT be doing this for personal reasons. I won't rule that out. But I just don't think he thinks I am Scum here. I think he might have gotten upset that I said he wasn't doing anything and took it out on me if he's Town here, but ultimately, he just doesn't actually BELIEVE that I am Scum. That's what I have a problem with.

Again, it IS a reason to SR someone, what I am saying here, but without a kind of nuanced view of them as a person, it's just a general tell and not a specific one to him that people who in pushing someone don't actually believe they are Scum are Scum themselves. Still, I see nothing about self harm in what you quoted from him. The question becomes if he would shade himself here (negatively) as Scum by talking about self harm masking the fact that he doesn't actually believe what he is saying or not.

[Youtube]https://youtu.be/DtV0jOHHy-k[/Youtube]

Personally, I don't think he is deranged enough to self harm himself because I generally see him more as a sadist than a masochist, which leans me in the direction that he is Scum.

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alright time to read this game

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VOTE: GL

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299

Most of this is just IIoA without really committing to anything. I didn't even see a vote in this post, which concerns me a lot actually.

P-edit: GL's tunnel on Norwegian seems ill founded. Norwegian seems Town from seeing them as Scum twice recently. This looks to be a pretty easy push on Norwegian, who IS actually questioning things and Scum hunting. Might not look like much, but it's way less of an agenda based play than I am used to seeing from Noway!Scum. It also gives GL the excuse to keep his vote where it is.

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Lick, what would your strategy be as scum? Fly under the radar? Big and bold to seem fearless of dying? Something else?

I don't actually want to answer this since I have a pretty sure fire way to win as Scum. No, this is not my Scum game because you wouldn't know I was Scum if I was Scum because I've never played with you before.

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Quick. This is vital for my read on your slot. Do you have trouble detecting sarcasm and jokeey posts with serious ones?

Here's one on P1.

[LicketyQuickety]

How is that scum hunting?

Context. Look both before and after in Norway's ISO to see how it's Scum hunting. Not going to be supporting a Norway lynch D1.

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LQ (...) Do you have any reads other than osuka that you feel solid about??

I'm talking about them rn. I feel fairly solid that Norway is Town, to be specific. My Town reads are good early game and my Scum reads are good late game.

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Lick - sketch at first, then was confused for a while, then the ugly page 9-10 osuka vs LQ battle I'm reading is just confusing. I think osuka has solid arguments and

This got cut off. What's your read on Quick?

Quick feels scummy to me which is one of two reasons I didn't change my vote in that wall.

fair

Not really sure I get the progression here, but you are probably Town since I do actually have quite a Scummy meta.

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Why are you townreading popo? I don't have a read there

eh you know at the time I thought Nauci shade was likely to be a genuine against the grain town scumread and his mechanics talk felt pure, but rereading his ISO altogether holistically and reconsidering they're not really great reasons

I also don't think the interactions with Norway are likely to be S-S, but then again, m a y b e

Great. So a great big maybe...

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if you'd like to comment more specifically on the things I pointed out and the thought process I gave, you are welcome to!

The point is that you are non-committal on popo. I am SRing popo currently, have been for a while.

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why is it a bad idea to out if I'm just in a neighbourhood?

There is nothing wrong with that at all actually. Just that it makes your play more complicated given you said it was masons when it wasn't. This could just be based on ignorance, but then again not because you claimed millar. Which means you knew on some level that your hood (never heard of a millar mason before) could be made of Town AND Scum. If that's the case, then perhaps outing the hood would be a good idea given if you really are millar there is likely one Scum in the hood. I can see a 3 person hood with one millar and one Scum and another just Town. That's actually not far from where I see things heading with hoods given mods have tended to use them so much. I could also buy that you are just Scum, thought the hood was actually a masonry, and claimed millar as a kind of "oops" that you couldn't have known how hoods work.

Glitch, I'd like your take on this post.

[LicketyQuickety]

I am sure you have seen lamer shade

So you admit it's lame shade, just not the worst lame shade... Okay, gatcha.

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I'm actually going to pull back on my SR of popo for ~reasons~ and just continue to push GL because I was kinda low key expecting a fire storm and it never came.

Now, here's some good music to listen to while you read my ISO.

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i meant to quote the whole post there.

So in case of a lynch without any info, we're more likely to hit town than mafia. Accordingly, we have to get more info on scum from the lynch than the value of losing a player.

I'm sure that we're marginally more likely to hit mafia with this method on the first day than a completely random RNG lynch but that is not the test IMO.

The real test is whether the net information gained from the reactions of people from being pressured outweighs the high chance of a potential loss of a townie. When I say net information I also mean to include negative utility information for town such as the fact that the mafia knows of the existence of a masonry when it did not need to.

This logic works better the more investigative roles there are in the game though because the more there are the more it makes sense to wait for a night.

I haven't seen anything yet to lose a townie in a 13 player game so far.

VOTE: NO LYNCH

Where have you played forum mafia before?

Twoplustwo, which is a poker strategy forum. The games which used to be played there had about 15 people but mostly no vanilla townies so people either had night actions or in case of no night actions day powers.

So there would be info flowing from nearly every night which made it a good choice to NL without info.

2+2 DID run near vanilla setups sometimes if memory serves.

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LOL. IDK about how strong Norway is pushing GL as a kind of OMGUS, but this sure looks different from his Scum game.

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I also don't think the interactions with Norway are likely to be S-S, but then again, m a y b e

Then again, M A Y B E you are S C U M !

I have simple humor because I found this hilarious.

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It has to be mentioned though, discrediting all my arguments by stating "scum bravado" is a cheap cop-out if i've ever seen one.

He just steelmanned you GL...

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@Guilty Lion,

Can you link your last Town and Scum games?

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Norway has somehow motivated me to take this game seriously. I might even take notes...

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GL's first post actually pinged me hard, but i held back on commenting it until i'd seen what he would be up to. Since i've clearly seen his bad intentions by now there's no point concealing it.
Making a "RVS" vote like that on a random familiar slot and then leaving without doing any solving is an archtypical scum entrance i've seen a couple times by this point. Especially on my home forum. I can't explain it well. But if GL flips scum i'm going to celebrate my ability to see right through shit like that.

you know what I'm going to just wreck this one post in particular and then let you know that I could do this with literally every post of yours if I wanted and I am not doing so only out of interest of keeping the game readable for others and because I'm a generous man

Let's start with the "RVS" vote point. I was the

first to thread

. I normally vote somebody who has posted and pinged me in whatever way when I get to a game late, but here, I had absolutely zero information and decided to vote randomly, I picked somebody I knew and felt comfortable jamming with if we're both town and said hi.

You're suggesting this is somehow scummy enough to catch me off of literally my first post because I then "left" the thread. Did it ever occur to you that... I have things I do outside of this site? Last night I watched Just Mercy (important/great movie btw, highly recommend it to you all) with my girlfriend and then ate an edible and got really stoned and thus in no condition to play any more mafia. Since this game ~literally~ just started, and I was also in a recently completed Blitz game that did demand effort/attention, I figured I could come back and tryhard later when I needed to, like, you know... today. the very next day in real life.

Finally, if you were

truly

confident that you caught me, you wouldn't feel compelled to hedge like you did in the last sentence. "IF GL flips scum, I'm gonna celebrate" like ok bud, you know I'm not flipping scum. If you were town and thought you caught scum and were proud of it, you'd be bragging already and asking others to join you, not awkwardly trying to pretend like you're already proud yet still introducing uncertain tone into it and suddenly switching to future-thinking ("I'm going to celebrate" vs being in the process of actively celebrating).

Alright. So if Norway IS Town, where do you look next?

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I'd really like more takes on GL atm.

I can't really tell much of a diff between Town and Scum meta here on a cursory glance.

The one piece I am holding on to at this point is how GL handles pressure as Scum/Town, but can't be sure on this yet. It looks like GL provides pretty solid reasoning as Scum and it looks like he played with some semi competent people in his Scum game so don't really get how he's saying "ez game" but whatever.

GL, would you say you have a better Town or Scum game?

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I already answered the question if you’d pay any attention.

you didn't really, you basically said Glitch is a mislynch because I suggested I could see myself voting him. Does that reasoning apply to any slot, or specifically just Glitch?

@LQ - Norway's not wrong, my town game is generally better than my scum game, I have a hard time replicating the amount of posts & tryhard I can generate as town. Where he went wrong is to lock himself into a tunnel assuming that I am

not

going to post a lot and tryhard this game

Define "better"? Or rather, talk about why you are better as Town than Scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

Could they not be performing an act of WIFOM? Where they intentionally push each other with reasons that seem legitimate, but it's because they know people will think they are town for doing them.

I 100% believe that scum put on this type of show sometimes but I 0% believe that either Quick or Osuka could do that

<3

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If someone could explain to me why my suggestion was bad instead of laughing at it or dismissing it, I would be very grateful.

Honestly, if you ARE millar, whether you are in a hood or masons, you made the right play.

Glitch's take on your slot seems to make sense, but at the same time, is so off compared to site meta that it wouldn't surprise me either way if they were Scum or Town.

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I am really against ending the Day this early... Especially since game hasn't stalled at all.

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Is millar the same thing as miller?

Yes, and that's a semi Town-slip from you.

I don't want to lynch Truth today.

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I think Truth has some moments of pure town throughout their ISO, and I think Glitch's push feels pretty agenda-y.

I sorta vibe with Nauci's sentiment of 'scum wouldn't make a go at Truth today' but at the same time most players in the game have said they're not voting Truth on the basis of the claim, so it's a safe slot to vote park and tunnel to avoid commenting substantially on any of the ~actual~ meat of the game. Also consider if the 'mason' bit was a fib to cover for a neighborhood instead, if mafia is in the hood and aware of that then they can expect the claim of masonry will be exposed as a lie later and plan to bury Truth on that basis later in the game.

I like mavs fans latest posts too, no interest there anymore for today. Looker's last post kinda dropped him in my reads as well

I agree with everything here.

VOTE: popopo

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Cat Scratch Fever - scummy his vote was opportunistic and his iso has been bad, handing out townreads like candy and little scumreads is mafia indicative especially early game
GuiltyLion - scum lean i explained
mavsfan41 - null-scum him coming in with a vote immediately after i call him out is not a good look
ndmath - null no impression of this slot
Nauci - null his early posts pinged me as forced, he has been posting more thoughtfully since.
Candy Shop - null dont really have an impression of this slot, this is the NL guy right? ok i checked his ISO. idk
Glitch - null seems like a noob. i find this type of player hard to sort. at least looks like hes trying.
Truth - any read i have is irrelevant, mechanics will sort. im more inclined to believe the claim than not.
osuka - null town feels like a saudade type player where he just calls people retards and argues. hard to read, but the argument with truth seemed genuine enough
Looker - town lean responded well to my request for reads even if we dont completely agree
NorwegianboyEE - town lean i explained already
LicketyQuickety - town lean his vote on me was bad but quick likes an illogical bad push as much as anyone so it doesnt surprise me he voted me. his incessant pushing on truth early feels town motivated coming from this particular player.

[LicketyQuickety]

Quick why did you empty quote just now

Just read through the reads list and tell me if you think it's Scummy.

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Sometimes trying to decipher Quicksotic posting feels like trying to read tea leaves

and my tea comes in unlabeled bags...

It's about the flow of the RL. It seems obvious/simple if you flip it upside down. I recall making a RL in my second game and everyone TR me for it even though I was Scum. Flipping it upside down shows the reads list isn't really anything surprising being said and ends in a kinda anticlimactic way, the opposite of if you read it the right side up way. Perspective matters. Writing a RL that flows well is something Scum tend to focus on.

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idk about "can't be scum with GL" since I don't bother with pre-flip associations but I want to wagon this

VOTE: Nauci

She seemed interested in figuring out popo's alignment earlier, but then this wagon on him built up to L-2

and

popo dropped a readslist and she pops in but doesn't comment on either at all.

That's pretty spicy, not going to lie. The thing is... I haven't seen too many people actually TRing Nauci.

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My pages 1-3 content is actually still pretty valid.

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A Null read isn't a TR. A Null read can be thought of as not giving any read at all.

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Your play by not switching to popopopopopopopop is entirely consistent with "minimize GL's voice and spread as much paranoia/doubt about him as possible", which I'm saying would be your agenda if you're scum and I caught you early.

I kinda don't think that is the way Norway plays as Scum at all.

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GL seems to be coming up with more and more contrived reasons to keep up an scumread on me.

Also like

I can imagine where you're coming from here, but have some self-awareness dude. Nearly every post you make is trying to get me lynched and shading me, especially a few times when I'm not around in the thread. You have on multiple occasions rejected opportunities to re-evaluate on my slot, even when prompted by other players in the game.

At a certain point it's difficult for me to just accept 'this is town!Norway, but he's locked onto you to the point that he's said he won't reconsider or vote anyone else today, despite you making a whole host of efforts to interact with other players and extend olive branches, despite the fact that you feel you've debunked his case pretty thoroughly, despite the fact that you think you should generally look pretty town to players who know you by now'. So I'm willing to accept that I may be wrong but it's really hard to play a game as town with somebody death tunneling you the whole time and not constantly be thinking and re-evaluating on 'why can't they see that I'm town'.

Pretty much the def of TvT right here.

[LicketyQuickety]

GL you can join our town block if you'd like

We have a Town block?

[LicketyQuickety]

I don't have a case or anything, but my gut says Glitch is Scum currently.

VOTE: Glitch

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It's bizarre to me that you think the only possible explanation for this game state is that I'm scum.

If i assume you are town then i have too many townreads and not enough scumreads on the other players.

Some thoughts...

Go after people like Looker, glitch and Nauci.

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Nauci's townblock thing was forced A F and didn't feel natural.

I'm on the fence with nauci, but Glitch has been like, "almost not fakable content" the whole time. I also hate that he seems to be a wagon hopper.

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Nauci's townblock thing was forced A F and didn't feel natural.

i agree with this. it did feel very weird

as i said a lot of nauci's play this game feels very odd

I kinda don't see that. Nauci has also pointed out some very Pro-Town things.

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Nauci's townblock thing was forced A F and didn't feel natural.

i agree with this. it did feel very weird

as i said a lot of nauci's play this game feels very odd

I kinda don't see that. Nauci has also pointed out some very Pro-Town things.

Such as?

It's already been mentioned. Trying to find a balance between osuka and I for one. Secondly, they gave some meta on me, which if you consider, helps sort me quite a bit. IDK why Scum would do that other than to look Town.

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IDK why Scum would do that other than to look Town.

I think you're comically missing the point of what scum's job is.

Which is NOT to look Town.

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IDK why Scum would do that other than to look Town.

I think you're comically missing the point of what scum's job is.

Which is NOT to look Town.

Not sure i agree... but ok, not a hill i'd want to die on.

Scum's job is to lynch Town. Town's job is to lynch Scum. That's the only reason why Town looks Town and Scum looks Scum. Otherwise SOMETIMES Scum wants to look Town, but not at the expense of lynching Town. Does that make sense?

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IDK why Scum would do that other than to look Town.

I think you're comically missing the point of what scum's job is.

Which is NOT to look Town.

Not sure i agree... but ok, not a hill i'd want to die on.

Scum's job is to lynch Town. Town's job is to lynch Scum. That's the only reason why Town looks Town and Scum looks Scum. Otherwise SOMETIMES Scum wants to look Town, but not at the expense of lynching Town. Does that make sense?

i don't think this does. if scum looks like town and town wants to lynch (what looks like) scum, then the obvious conclusion is that town will not lynch scum, which in turn means that town gets lynched (by exclusion, assuming a lynch)

Sorry, your fundamental way you play mafia is WRONG.

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Well yeah. If all scum look like town because they are good at writing walls of text and faking genuine looking reactions then town will most likely lynch some town lurker or listen to advice from the scum about a player to lynch. (In which case, obviously they’d suggest lynching a town)

Scum don't have to be the Towniest people in the game to win. They just have to be less Scummy than someone else. That's why Scum push easy things. Because pushing easy things gets those players lynched. Like, if you actually observe the good Scum players you will see they care way more about lynching Town than looking Townie. I'm not just pulling this out of my ass either. This stuff is pretty established on many Mafia sites.

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IDK why Scum would do that other than to look Town.

I think you're comically missing the point of what scum's job is.

Which is NOT to look Town.

Not sure i agree... but ok, not a hill i'd want to die on.

Scum's job is to lynch Town. Town's job is to lynch Scum. That's the only reason why Town looks Town and Scum looks Scum. Otherwise SOMETIMES Scum wants to look Town, but not at the expense of lynching Town. Does that make sense?

i don't think this does. if scum looks like town and town wants to lynch (what looks like) scum, then the obvious conclusion is that town will not lynch scum, which in turn means that town gets lynched (by exclusion, assuming a lynch)

Sorry, your fundamental way you play mafia is WRONG.

the whole point of playing scum as if you were town is that if people can't tell you apart from an actual townie, then assuming a random lynch, you win the game most of the time because a random lynch statistically benefits scum

but sorry please do go on about how scum is supposed to look like scum

Then you are putting the cart before the horse. Scum don't NEED to look Townie to win if they can lynch Town instead. Seriously, this level of incompetence on how to play is pretty surprising.

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I’d like to see you put that "scum don’t need to look town" strategy into a nightless game and see how far you get.

Are we playing a Nightless game?

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No, but that’s not the point. I’m saying that scum can get lucky and roll mafia in a game filled with scummy looking town. But if they roll scum in a game with like half the playerlist being very competent and town looking players then you are bound to lose even if it’s not a nightless and you can’t blend into that group.

Keep playing like a newb then. Don't matter to me and I'm kinda done with this argument.

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Why did you insinuate i’m playing like a newb? Was there something faulty with my argument?

Because you don't get the thing that really matters to Scum which is NOT looking Townie but lynching Town. That's the first step in Scum winning and they can win doing just that. You CAN'T win as Scum if all you do is look Townie because this game requires LYNCHING. Ignoring that dynamic of this game, namely, lynching, shows you don't have your basics down well enough yet. That's maybe why you are so easy to catch as Scum by the by.

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Let’s make it a bet. If Nauci is scum i win the argument. Because they are playing "like town" according to you. But i disagree there isn’t the possibility of scum playing like town to avoid getting lynched.

I don't bet.

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I'm not saying Scum never try and look Townie, I'm saying looking Townie as Scum is SECONDARY.

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BBL tonight. It's fathers day and I have to go see my old man.

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I don't buy you thought that it was very scummy unless you can be more specific as to why.

Considering how many of us picked up on that, idk why you'd think it was insincere

You post a catch up on posts from many days ago with no spectacular or original insights and then disappeared completely again without giving thoughts on anything past like, page 11

That's a pretty classic sign of demotivated scum posting this catch up was equally underwhelming and I hope in the next several pages you elaborated on your reads list

There's no reason for them to be demotivated Scum tho...

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VOTE: Norwegian

I don’t like their progression to Nauci especially since being so keen that GuiltyLion was scum even as recently as 729 & 735. Quickety’s 754 suggests Nauci. This is where it starts. So the progression of Norwegian’s 755 to the eventual vote in 762 just seems forced without looking forced in a way Norwegian could vote but before that, test the waters to see if he’d look scummy. I don’t think town!Norweigan jumps from SR’ing GuiltyLion as recently as 729 & 735 to picking the “safest” option of Quickety’s suggestions and then votes Nauci after osuka’s blessing in 761. This seems forced to me especially with 729 and the development of how quickly he starts suspecting Nauci to how quickly he votes. This would mean that Norwegian now SRs Nauci more than GuiltyLion? Seems weird.

@Truth: as for you 808, if no one dies that doesn’t necessarily mean you were saved. It means whomever the doctor targeted during the night is town (unless for whatever reason scum decides not to make a kill N1 which I highly doubt would be the case). I seriously don’t believe that the doctor would ever target you and I seriously doubt scum is going to NK you.

It's actually Townie for Norway to sheep me as Town though. Reason being is he hates playing against me as Scum for obvious reasons, namely, that I pushed for his lynch HARD in 2/2 games I played with him where he was Scum.

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@Quickety: so it’s not only that he sheep’ed you, that’s just one component. It’s that he switched off GuiltyLion to develop a SR very quickly on Nauci and only voted AFTER osuka’s 761 as a response to that post. I think town!Norwegian votes Nauci before osuka’s post. That felt like he was worried he might appear scummy to vote Nauci but after osuka’s post, felt like he could much easily defend his vote or play it off if challenged on it.

Problem is, I was calling GL Town the whole time Norway was pushing him. I literally stepped in and got in the way of Norway's tunnel to get him to go after someone else.

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@Quickety: so it’s not only that he sheep’ed you, that’s just one component. It’s that he switched off GuiltyLion to develop a SR very quickly on Nauci and only voted AFTER osuka’s 761 as a response to that post. I think town!Norwegian votes Nauci before osuka’s post. That felt like he was worried he might appear scummy to vote Nauci but after osuka’s post, felt like he could much easily defend his vote or play it off if challenged on it.

Problem is, I was calling GL Town the whole time Norway was pushing him. I literally stepped in and got in the way of Norway's tunnel to get him to go after someone else.

So my argument is that scum!Norweigan after pushing GuiltyLion on TWO separate occasions realized he wasn’t going to get a mislynch then rapidly picked some other target in Nauci off your post, then only after getting approval from two different people (you and osuka), actually voted Nauci. I.E. Norwegian didn’t appear to be SR’ing Nauci before your post but somehow decides to vote her like 5 posts later after seeing that two other people are possibly SR’ing her. That doesn’t seem off to you?

Not for Norway, no, not at all.

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Unlike Glitch's walls, NDmath's are actually quite Townie and I like what I am seeing there. I get there will be paranoia on a wall poster who doesn't post a lot, but honestly, that's not a slot I think is Scum until later in the game when things get more intense.

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@Truth: as for you 808, if no one dies that doesn’t necessarily mean you were saved. It means whomever the doctor targeted during the night is town (unless for whatever reason scum decides not to make a kill N1 which I highly doubt would be the case). I seriously don’t believe that the doctor would ever target you and I seriously doubt scum is going to NK you.

I don't understand this. I will be confirmed town eventually so mafia do want to kill me. If you keep saying things like this, the mafia might try and kill me and the doctors might not heal me because they will be convinced by what you are saying here. I think it'd be a bad play to let me die tonight if you're a doctor and reading this.

You might be confirmed as Town when you die, but unfortunately your voice goes unheard if that happens.

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Sorry, I don't understand. I meant I will be confirmed when my buddies also reveal as mason.

Depends if you are actually mason or you are just in a hood.

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I'm not understanding the attacks on osuka.

What's there to not understand?

Osuka's posts comprise of the brief fight with Quick, a lot of posts facepalming at Truth which are mostly meaningless, and a very lazy and unsubstantiated push on me.

I scumreads the way that Osuka talks about my posting as "weird" repeatedly without ever explaining weird how—it's exactly the kind of shallow shade throwing without being able to come up with a proper case/narrative that signifies scum pushes vs town ones, especially at an opportune time when others like CSF were FoSing me.

He has repeatedly tried to misconstrue the way I have tried to explain his meta to the game as buddying, even though I've repeatedly told him and everyone else why I said what I did about him and wasn't at buddying. He's not engaging with my push at all or answering my question.

Yeah, good point. Nothing I wouldn't call SvS either...

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Yeah, good point. Nothing I wouldn't call SvS either...

As in Osuka and I or?

Lol

YUP!

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Yeah, good point. Nothing I wouldn't call SvS either...

As in Osuka and I or?

Lol

YUP!

Then why don't you help flip Osuka to test your theory

IDK where I am voting currently, but I'd rather vote Glitch if I'm not already there.

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I don't have a case or anything, but my gut says Glitch is Scum currently.

VOTE: Glitch

It's bizarre to me that you think the only possible explanation for this game state is that I'm scum.

If i assume you are town then i have too many townreads and not enough scumreads on the other players.

Some thoughts...

Go after people like Looker, glitch and Nauci.

Nauci's townblock thing was forced A F and didn't feel natural.

I'm on the fence with nauci, but Glitch has been like, "almost not fakable content" the whole time. I also hate that he seems to be a wagon hopper.

Unlike Glitch's walls, NDmath's are actually quite Townie and I like what I am seeing there. I get there will be paranoia on a wall poster who doesn't post a lot, but honestly, that's not a slot I think is Scum until later in the game when things get more intense.

Outside of these posts, did I miss one where you cased Glitch?

I'm not sure if I'm seeing what you're seeing and I'm certainly not seeing what you're saying is a huge distinction between Glitch and NDMath, both of whom are big fat nulls for me. Can you explain?

Sure, I'll explain. If you keep soft defending Glitch, you are Scum with him.

Glitch's content has been objectively bad not really offering any new insights, and generally just jumping on the next popular wagon.

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I'm also considering whether my TL on Mavsfan was made in error, but i don't think town!him wouldn't be unable to scumread me since he doesn't really know anything about my meta.

I think mav's is also Town. His narrative is pretty consistent.

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My townreads are Quick, Truth, Mavsfan, Po^7 mainly. Light TL on CSF too.

Why are you TRing popo?

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I think you’re missing the point. NOBODY townreads NDMath. So why are we just pretending like that slot isn’t an issue? He needs votes.

I TR them. I said their walls are a lot more Townie than Glitch's. Glitch is Scummy, NDmath is Townie.

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VOTE: NDMath

Fine

GL you may as well move too since we have the same suspicions of NDMath

Bad vote.

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ND has this kind of strong Town assurance in themselves that is kinda intangible, but I don't see it coming from Scum the vast majority of the time. I also like his attack on GL. I might revisit that read based on what ND said because it seems I missed a few finer points about GL and might have TR GL a bit too early. GL did seem to have a few Townie posts, which is why I was TRing him, but even GL himself says that's not really a good reason to TR him. Then again, this could be ND going after GL as a low effort way to ride out the game till a later date when things become more "serious". Still, I'm not sure that is really a reason to SR him. His points are not bad, he's just not as aggressive at this earlier part in the game that I would like.

In any case, I feel less sure about Osuka being Town. I find the arguments against him seem legit and he's still voting me for who really knows what reason at this point. @NDMath, what do you think of osuka?

Nauci

seems

Town to the naked eye, but I am not seeing anything that makes me think it isn't something Scum could post - especially considering Nauci's high use of meta as a playstyle. Not going to just assume Nauci is Town just because they have meta dove people.

Norway keeps Town telling but I can't say the same about popo. popo seems to be making easy posts and that is not at all what I remember from them in Fungi Mafia. I also want to point out that this sort of "easy playing" seems more associated with his Scum game seen in Mini Normal 2143.

mav still seems pretty solidly Town in my eyes. His questions are good and he gives pretty good analysis when he is here.

Truth remains a gigantic headache that I really don't want to deal with until later.

Candy Shop is... where are they anyways? They probably site flaked but I don't feel like checking atm. I just checked. His last post was on the 19th.

CSF I have as pretty solidly Null.

That leaves Looker. Overall, the little content he has provided seems semi Town motivated, but I wouldn't exactly bet the game on him being Town at this point. So a shade more Town then Scum I would say, but that read can very well change at any point.

And Glitch I hope everyone knows I find their content completely underwhelming and they don't even really bring that great of analysis in the game like mav and don't have the same kind of strong Town presence like ND while looker is barely playing it looks like. Not feeling good about Glitch at all. I wish a person or two would vote Glitch with me because I think that is where the money is rn.

P-Edit: Looker just made a very bizarre post and I really have not the slightest clue what to think of it. I don't even really TR it for it being weird. It's just strange and IDK what on earth he is thinking with those percentage points for who to lynch. Like did he legit do math for this game or is he just Scum making up percentages out of thin air. I really don't know.

@Looker: what are those percentage points based on?

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you’re either playing scum as “things scum should never say bingo” or you’re just completely oblivious about the optics of your actions. I can’t believe scum would play this reckless.

I legit LOL'd at that.

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We have seen that GL can eagerly jump on anyone who accuses him.

That doesn't really seem like GL's Town meta tbqh.

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No. His defense has literally just been "I don't understand what y'all are saying," and "I'm self conscious, don't read me hard." And GL basically nails him with his own meta in 878 with quotes. Are you trying to pull my vote onto your wagon like you did with mavs?

The way ND comes across... the way he has this kind of self assurance leads me to think he's Town.

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No. His defense has literally just been "I don't understand what y'all are saying," and "I'm self conscious, don't read me hard." And GL basically nails him with his own meta in 878 with quotes. Are you trying to pull my vote onto your wagon like you did with mavs?

The way ND comes across... the way he has this kind of self assurance leads me to think he's Town.

Sigh...

Think about how blatantly ND is OMGUSing GL for a moment...

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No. His defense has literally just been "I don't understand what y'all are saying," and "I'm self conscious, don't read me hard." And GL basically nails him with his own meta in 878 with quotes. Are you trying to pull my vote onto your wagon like you did with mavs?

The way ND comes across... the way he has this kind of self assurance leads me to think he's Town.

I guess I'm just not seeing that. Are there specific confident points he makes that you're referring to and can point me to? I'm genuinely considering moving my vote there (knowing full well that will further your SR on me), but I'm seeing stuff like this:

1. I am a very self-conscious player. So yes I care how people perceive my entry.

6. I'm not comprehending this paragraph.

I'm not understanding the attacks on osuka.

I need to first get a grasp on the game.

I think I mentioned how blatantly ND was OMGUSing GL. I don't really see that as a solid point to read a self conscious player.

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*As Scum

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Think about how blatantly ND is OMGUSing GL for a moment...

That's not something i would townread him for.

Why not?

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@Norway,

Don't you find it a little strange how easily Glitch sheeped you on ND?

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@Norway,

Don't you find it a little strange how easily Glitch sheeped you on ND?

I do think he could be scum assuming NDMath!Town. As for strange idk, he didn't seem to talk much about NDMath before so you might have a point there.

Answer my other question.

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Think about how blatantly ND is OMGUSing GL for a moment...

That's not something i would townread him for.

Why not?

Because scum can easily OMGUS.
...That's a towntell to you? What makes you think scum!him couldn't or wouldn't have that sort of reaction?

Because of how blatant it was. That's a key thing about the way he did it. He did it like he didn't care about the pressure it would generate on him. Go back and reread the way he built his case on GL.

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*kicks down door*

Now this is a player list!

Did you think you were replacing into a Town slot or a Scum slot?

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I could potentially see NDMath as scum. 986 is particularly egregious.

Nauci could also be scum, but I feel like I need more from her to sort her.

Looker is prob-town

osuka is prob-town

Truth is newb-town

Norwe is prob-town

Popo is town-lean but again I need more from this slot to sort

Glitch could go either way

Quick is prob-town

GuiltyLion I could go either way

Mavsfan I definitely need more from to sort

I think that's everyone? If I missed someone they're null because I forgot about them entirely.

Vote for Glitch pls.

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Why you gotta be white knighting the scum Quick.

This is the first I have heard you think I am Scum. Mind fleshing that out a bit?

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I actually like CSF vs NDMath for today, so if anyone wants to help me make CSF a top-two wagon that'd be swell!

Sheep me!

No one should be sheeping you with

that

reads list.

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Getting traction on Glitch is a lot harder than I thought it would be. Especially considering very few(?) people are actually TRing them. Resistance probably means they have a better shot at being Scum.

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ND has this kind of strong Town assurance in themselves that is kinda intangible, but I don't see it coming from Scum the vast majority of the time. I also like his attack on GL. I might revisit that read based on what ND said because it seems I missed a few finer points about GL and might have TR GL a bit too early.

Quick since you're here: what were the arguments for scum!Guilty from ND that you thought were good?

That wasn't really why I was TRing ND. But I would have to go back and check. There was like one or two points they gave that really made me question my TR on GL IIRC.

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I interpreted the post as being annoyed they didn't have as many townreads as they would like, and picked you because of prior experience and not having posted as much as other slots.

It was this combined with what ND chose to quote from GL. I think the posts ND quoted from GL kinda speak for themselves.

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Getting traction on Glitch is a lot harder than I thought it would be. Especially considering very few(?) people are actually TRing them. Resistance probably means they have a better shot at being Scum.

Isn't this true of pretty much all the vanity wagons right now?

No. 4 people are voting for ND for shit reasons IMO.

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Also, I feel this song perfectly captures the times we are living in. And the buildup is pretty fantastic.

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Getting traction on Glitch is a lot harder than I thought it would be. Especially considering very few(?) people are actually TRing them. Resistance probably means they have a better shot at being Scum.

Isn't this true of pretty much all the vanity wagons right now?

No. 4 people are voting for ND for shit reasons IMO.

Is it possible to be so blinded? Your reason for townreading NDMath are extremely weak and based on some personal bias you haven’t even explained well. While arguments on things NDMath has said that are genuinely scummy has been ignored by you.
What’s your take on NDMath’s post 986? Did you like what was said?

It's pretty NAI.

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We have seen that GL can eagerly jump on anyone who accuses him.

That doesn't really seem like GL's Town meta tbqh.

I actually feel like you have said this exact same bullshit in a past game together when I was town and gettin mad at scumreads, let me see if I can find the game

I'm not mad, bro.

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hmmm actually I can't find it

which is weird cause I do feel like I remember being very mad about you misrepping my meta one time but alas

regardless

Maybe check the newbie games from like 3 years ago.

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Getting traction on Glitch is a lot harder than I thought it would be. Especially considering very few(?) people are actually TRing them. Resistance probably means they have a better shot at being Scum.

Isn't this true of pretty much all the vanity wagons right now?

No. 4 people are voting for ND for shit reasons IMO.

What does "4 people are voting ND for shit reasons" have to do with my question?

I asked you if all the vanity wagons were struggling to get traction despite very few people town reading them (not just yours on Glitch) and you responded about a L-3 wagon (if that qualifies as a vanity wagon then all wagons are vanity wagons).

I was saying the only viable wagon that WASN'T a vanity wagon was garbage. Keep up.

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Ah, so you were just answering a completely unrelated question I never asked, while completely disregarding what I asked, and now you're implying I'm dense for not reading your mind and anticipating that?

Got it. So it's going to be one of those games again.

But are you Town?

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Ah, so you were just answering a completely unrelated question I never asked, while completely disregarding what I asked, and now you're implying I'm dense for not reading your mind and anticipating that?

Got it. So it's going to be one of those games again.

But are you Town?

I'm always town. Even when I'm scum I'm town.

LaL.

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Why does lazy = Scum tho?

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Like, I shouldn't be able to destroy your case with 6 words.

Tell me why I am wrong that Glitch is Scum.

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Actually Blair, unless you plan to case CSF hard and get a lot of people on your side, i'd much prefer it if you joined the NDMath wagon since it's got more votes and game needs a lynch right now. I sense apathy with the lack of posting lately.

this is an odd post from a slot that is otherwise fairly towny

Why is this scummy now but these posts weren't?

I think you’re missing the point. NOBODY townreads NDMath. So why are we just pretending like that slot isn’t an issue? He needs votes.

Mavsfan, i suggest you join a substantial wagon such as NDMath. A lynch on me isn’t going to happen.

*drink*

i'm only two beers deep and honestly i can tell you it is not enough for this shit

Your push on Truth is ass.
Vote NDMath.

Hypotheticals like this are beyond angleshooty.

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Why does lazy = Scum tho?

If your goal is to fly under the radar and not draw attention, hoping to just wait the day out until others can devour each other, then vague contribution with little commitment and very low content that doesn't help us to get anywhere helps accomplish that goal. Once he was called on that, everything changed. Looks like scum trying to lie low and then when caught is like "oh shit let me immediately unvote the person who is SR'ing me and move my vote to someone who I don't even have a good case for."

Town can and does do that as well. So it's a moot point really.

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Why does lazy = Scum tho?

If your goal is to fly under the radar and not draw attention, hoping to just wait the day out until others can devour each other, then vague contribution with little commitment and very low content that doesn't help us to get anywhere helps accomplish that goal. Once he was called on that, everything changed. Looks like scum trying to lie low and then when caught is like "oh shit let me immediately unvote the person who is SR'ing me and move my vote to someone who I don't even have a good case for."

Town can and does do that as well. So it's a moot point really.

I'm open to being wrong about these things as any games I play online I tend to be pointed out as the noob who doesn't understand the game, and oftentimes get SR'd for that. But it just doesn't make sense to me. Why would you not contribute and be wishy-washy, vote with a lame argument, and run from your SR when they start to SR you if your wincon is to find scum?

Like I said, Town can and does do that sort of thing all the time. So it's not really a good reason to SR someone. If there's more to it than that, then fine. Usually reads develop over time and if there is some reason to SR someone, usually there are more reasons. But as is, there's not really legit reasons to SR them based on being lazy. If you want to dig to beef up your case, go and do that, but giving NAI stuffs for a reason for a vote is pretty bad.

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So Quick are you town reading CSF or just whinging about everyone who votes for her?

Just trying to keep people honest and attacking things that are actually AI. This isn't doing it for me. I have Catty as Null currently but that doesn't mean I am going to support NAI reasons for pressure on that slot.

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My reasoning is not solely based on that though. I think you're misunderstanding my reasoning. The lack of quality content and original thinking is not my primary reason for SR'ing Cat. It is an element that plays a part, but the main suspicion comes in with literally backing off her main SR when he starts to push her and jumping onto Nauci with a weak-ass argument she isn't even fully convinced of herself. She sets herself up to stick with Nauci for a while if needed, or to jump ship easily too. There's no commitment and no resolve.

My case on Nauci is that she seems to comment on things that aren't game related when there's content to analyze.

I would like to see where she lands once she gets more time to dedicate to this game.

Right there. How is this not scummy AF?

If you have other reasons, I'd like to hear them. People respond to pressure as both Town and Scum. So saying, "See look! They started producing content when someone called them out for being lazy!" isn't going to cut it.

Further, that was post 703 so I see nothing wrong with it.

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So a total change of playstyle when pushed, +unvoting your main SR when that person pushes you, +a vote for someone you have a weak ass argument on, +703... is all NAI?

Your making your case way stronger than it actually is here.

It's not a "total change of playstyle" it's just being a bit more active and showing a bit more effort. They might have gotten a Town tell from the person pushing them for their vote. I haven't looked at the reason for the vote, but people vote for pressure all the time, so this is a moot point anyways. Yes, 703 is at least NAI.

Anything else? I can do this all day.

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Did you ramp up your posts because you realized that you couldn't fly under the radar as silent anymore once popo called you on it? Your change to Nauci feels like crap just trying to get po to not be so laser focused in on you, so you jump to Nauci when you don't even have that solid of an argument there.

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

I'd be okay with NDmath but honestly CSF is much scummier when you look back over the progression of the game.

Your case on me boils down to asking questions, not explaining my reads (lol), and being more engaged in the game when something directly involves me

My questions aren’t useless or lazy- if I think someone has posted something that was unusual, I usually prod for more information. Sometimes it ends up being a dead end but sometimes it leaves information to look back on in later days.

Granted it’s maybe lazy to not explain my reads unless someone asks me, but I’m always willing to oblige if someone asks me to explain a read.

I still stand by my earlier push on nauci- it was weird for her to come in and shitpost where popo and I were posting back and forth but I think that may just be because she was busy irl, because her posting improved later. I still think popo is town based on meta.

Why is it scummy for me to be more interested in the game when something directly engages me?

Case and point, Glitch's case on you sucks.

Vote Glitch for actually Scumminess?

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Idk I’m weirded out by me as a growing cw to NDMath

So maybe make Glitch a competing wagon?

I've said ND is Town. It's only a matter of time for the rest of Town to see it. That wagon is going to disappear.

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I'm going to do a close read of NDMath's games

Meta mostly sucks.

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how the fuck is mafia supposed to know you're mason? mafia has no setup knowledge other than their own roles

you seem to gravely misunderstand some very core concepts of this game

If he is in fact a mason, it's pretty natural to assume that mafia would know he's town and therefore likely not lying about being a

mason

of all things

I still like the Osuka vote, none of his latest bursts of post felt all that town and this one was really bad shade-for-sake-of-shade

this isn’t false if you take the literal meaning here but boy is this ever a spin

He operates under the assumption that mafia knows his role, and of particular note is the fact that this one isn’t even one of the most absurd things in the laundry list of mind boggingly nonsensical things that slot has been saying thus game. Why are you defending a slot that is either scum or so glaringly anti town?

Mafia would know he's Town tho...

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Mediation isn't inherently scummy (almost nothing is), but it's easy to coast on because you will get town points for doing it 99.5% of the time.

As for your scum meta, I actually thought your early posts were strikingly similar to your posts in our scum game together (and Glitch is not actually wrong that your tone did shift at a certain point) - enough so that I was actually scumreading you when I was skimming the game the first time I tried to sub in for Rozyroz.

I'm interested to hear why you feel you are playing differently here than in our last game together.

How many pages where there at the time of the first replace out?

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This is why Meta sucks... because IDEK what game we are talking about anymore.

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I've said ND is Town. It's only a matter of time for the rest of Town to see it. That wagon is going to disappear.

Or we could just bypass you entirely.

You could if you want to keep lynching Town. If that's what you want to do, go for it.

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But i do not see why he would be town. Can you explain your position a bit better?

I've already explained it. People didn't believe me on Drew either, but there you go, D1 Town lynch that was horrible.

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How many pages where there at the time of the first replace out?

CSF was the first sub.

There were only two subs total in that game, by the way.

Not sure where you're going with it, though.

There was 18. I checked.

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How many pages where there at the time of the first replace out?

CSF was the first sub.

There were only two subs total in that game, by the way.

Not sure where you're going with it, though.

There was 18. I checked.

Cat Scratch Fever and Beeboy were the only subs. You checked the wrong game.

Pretty sure you're referencing an ongoing game.

Yeah, this one.

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Wow, take a look at this guy Quick. He actually knows how to argue convincingly.

Except that's pretty much exactly what I said without bringing meta into it.

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We have seen that GL can eagerly jump on anyone who accuses him.

That doesn't really seem like GL's Town meta tbqh.

I actually feel like you have said this exact same bullshit in a past game together when I was town and gettin mad at scumreads, let me see if I can find the game

I'm not mad, bro.

This was my survivor post.

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When I get killed N1, please look at who I said was Scum and who I said was Town. popo saying Glitch's case is "good" strikes me as kinda pathetic since that particular case has been so thoroughly dismantled.

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Damn u arrogant.

What is your definition of arrogant. My guess is it's different than mine because you are a younger generation than me.

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Damn u arrogant.

What is your definition of arrogant. My guess is it's different than mine because you are a younger generation than me.

ok boomer

Answer my question, young gun. Your style isn't as impressive as you think. There is only one Quick.

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Damn u arrogant.

What is your definition of arrogant. My guess is it's different than mine because you are a younger generation than me.

Thinking your reads are so awesome on day 1 that scum will kill you on night 1 is my definition of arrogance.

Someone has to be killed N1. Happens almost every game.

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I support Glitch/osuka wagons.

P-Edit: Also, I kinda want to strangle Truth or just sum him up as new but not new Scum.

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You seem to have a very shallow understanding or how scum plays the game

No. Truth actually raises a pretty good point against you.

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There’s also a lot of meta reads on me, so I’ll point out the fact that people have repeatedly failed to read me, meta or otherwise

You are doing a whole lot of defending yourself and very little actual Scum hunting. When exactly do you plan on changing your behavior from Anti-Town to Pro-Town?

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There’s also a lot of meta reads on me, so I’ll point out the fact that people have repeatedly failed to read me, meta or otherwise

You are doing a whole lot of defending yourself and very little actual Scum hunting. When exactly do you plan on changing your behavior from Anti-Town to Pro-Town?

Well right now I sorta have to defend myself because I know for a fact I am a mislynch, even if you don’t. How exactly is that anti town?

That's not how you defend yourself. You defend yourself by making someone else look more Scummy than yourself. But since you have decided to low effort this game, I guess that is not an option for you atm??? Either that or you are Scum and the wagons are on your buddies currently? Either way it doesn't look good for you.

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There’s also a lot of meta reads on me, so I’ll point out the fact that people have repeatedly failed to read me, meta or otherwise

You are doing a whole lot of defending yourself and very little actual Scum hunting. When exactly do you plan on changing your behavior from Anti-Town to Pro-Town?

Well right now I sorta have to defend myself because I know for a fact I am a mislynch, even if you don’t. How exactly is that anti town?

That's not how you defend yourself. You defend yourself by making someone else look more Scummy than yourself. But since you have decided to low effort this game, I guess that is not an option for you atm??? Either that or you are Scum and the wagons are on your buddies currently? Either way it doesn't look good for you.

This is a bad post, but regardless of that: why would I try to make people look scummier than me if they, yourself included, evidently need no help in that department?

How about you go and read a few articles on the wiki and get back to me, because you clearly do not know how this game works.

Not many people can successfully defend themselves unless they are pretty sharp in the logic department.

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It would make sense to me if there was 2 mafia from po going down, and 1 in the top 6.

So osuka and po and Looker for example. I think mafia usually say less and don't put themselves in the limelight but usually they need a leader. If I'm wrong, it could instead be Nauci and Glitch and mavsfan for example.

In reply to osuka: But in that one post, you were specifically asking about my role again, and you did that earlier too.

Are you seriously using post counts as a read? That’s a little sad

You also haven’t answered any of the questions I asked. I wasn’t asking about your role, I was asking about how could mafia know your role. You’re either misrepping or you seriously need to improve your reading comprehension

Logic is as follows: If Truth is Town, then Mafia know they are Town. If Mafia know Truth is Town then they know that the first claim Truth made was that he was Mason. If Mafia know that the first claim Truth made was that he was Mason then they can reasonably assume that is a correct claim.

That's all assuming that Truth is actually Mason. Else, it gets a lot hairier and it's going to be tough to dissuade me from putting serious pressure on that slot if it turns out it's just a hood and not actually masons, since Truth has repeatedly followed up his claim saying he is a Mason. The only part that REALLY concerns me is no one is really ready to confirm or deny what it is that Truth is saying regarding Mason, which goes to figure as no one in their right mind would actually confirm or deny that claim as Mason. The other aspect of the claim that makes pretty much zero sense whatsoever is that he claimed miller. So if he IS Mason Miller, I would really expect some heavy duty Investigative roles in this game. Alternatively, mod could have put something like Disloyal/Insane Cop/neapolitan. So if you want to to attack truth, I would really start THERE rather than what he is actually saying now because what he is saying now is built on him already being assumed he is Mason.

Don't worry, I am giving Truth a D1 pass but that's about as far as it goes for me depending on flips.

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Actually I lied

The game I was thinking of was https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=73011

Better logic than me: denied.

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Actually I lied

The game I was thinking of was https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=73011

Better logic than me: denied.

Because you’re clearly the benchmark for logic in this website

You call that a comeback? It lacks creativity and doesn't impress with Nauci's version C of my play. Try again and this time try and actually put some effort into it?

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Actually I lied

The game I was thinking of was https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=73011

Better logic than me: denied.

Because you’re clearly the benchmark for logic in this website

You call that a comeback? It lacks creativity and doesn't impress with Nauci's version C of my play. Try again and this time try and actually put some effort into it?

This entire back and forth is unrelated to game solving.

I will accept my Townpoints™ for pointing this out via direct deposit into my Blair Bucks™ account, please.

Why is everyone so damn weak with their analysis/saying basic shit/asking for Town credit when Town credit isn't due?

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Why is everyone so damn weak with their analysis/saying basic shit/asking for Town credit when Town credit isn't due?

It is estimated that roughly 30% of the population cannot reliably discern humor or sarcasm.

I'm not one of them and your joke sucked.

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What did the modifier, "Now that I think ND is town," add to the logic of this progression?

It looks like you're corralling two Town wagons

Ah, so that post is only scummy if both ND and CSF are town?

Given that it is Day 1 and we have zero flips in the game so far, wouldn't that make it objectively null?

no? there were many people in your readslist you had at null and below - why did you want wagons to form on us two specifically when we have several days left on the clock?

That's... not the way I read the RL. I read it as: Town, Town, Town, Town, Null, Town... ect.

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It is amazing to me how you are claiming you detected it while simultaneously claiming that I was actually expecting town points for it.

Taking it as a joke seemed like the lamer option between the two.

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The lamer (but also most obvious!) option, yes.

No way scum!Quick picks this monumentally stupid ego hill to die on with a townie, so I will share some more of my town points with you today.

You're literally in the hole on Town points. You don't want to open a credit line with me, trust me.

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Sometimes the riposte is just too easy. I'm going to let this one go.

Fencing isn't martial arts.

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What did the modifier, "Now that I think ND is town," add to the logic of this progression?

It looks like you're corralling two Town wagons

Ah, so that post is only scummy if both ND and CSF are town?

Given that it is Day 1 and we have zero flips in the game so far, wouldn't that make it objectively null?

no? there were many people in your readslist you had at null and below - why did you want wagons to form on us two specifically when we have several days left on the clock?

I know how long it usually takes to slog through a Day 1 wagon if it's actually on scum - we are at the point in the time line when we need to narrow down our options.

"There's still time!" is a favorite shield for scum, because so many townies actually believe it's anti-town to not use every last ounce of the deadline.

"Strategic" usually means Scum - especially for you.

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Cat's play is stronger than yours here Blair.

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I wish we'd get a lynch soon.

Pointless comment that furthers Scum wincon. Stop.

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1200+ posts isn't nearly enough to have any opinions or narrow our PoE at all, every lynch is still equally up for consideration and any attempts to consolidate wagons will be prosecuted with extreme prejudice

Game. Hasn't. Stalled.

What exactly is the point of shortening the Day when new stuff is being discussed every page?

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I think it's actually more anti-town to keep posting until we have a 100 page day 1 because it's going to become a huge chore to read back on the game with the knowledge of flips further down the line if you need to casually stroll through eternal pages of content. Making it harder to see things from the bigger perspective.

Content matters more than how easy/hard it is to read the game. More content = better gamestate.

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I think you will find it difficult to demonstrate from my ISO that I am advocating for shortening the day.

I am advocating for narrowing our lynch pool and rolling our sleeves up to get serious about who we are going to lynch today, because these things take time and it's usually good practice for town to have a pretty good idea of who the lynch will be between by this point in the day.

I think you are talking out your ass honestly.