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[osuka]

what's going on nerds

VOTE: popopopo for not using vote tags

[osuka]

i never use those beta vote tags and i never will

vote: osuka

it makes everyone's lives so much easier if you do

what does not using them accomplish anyway

[osuka]

i refuse to engage in this nonsensical vote tag back and forth any longer

obvscum

I would vote you again if I could

[osuka]

using the proper tags of course

[osuka]

One of my buddies suspects this player could be attempting to push me so that we have to out another mason to validate my claim. This would be very helpful to mafia. Overall, I really do not like LicketyQuickety now.

Another mason claim right now would be moronic. That’s a bad observation because pushing you is a bad strategy if your objective is getting a mason claim, because 1. it is unlikely to actually cause anyone to claim and 2. it exposes the pushing party a little bit too much

[osuka]

So, you think LicketyQuickety is town pushing me in good faith? They did not even consider the scenario that I have buddies to verify my claim in their accusatory post. It seems to me that they're hoping for support in their push.

this is a shit tier, dumpster fire of a post

[osuka]

I can already see that osuka is approving the push and shading me. Do you think this could be him testing the room to see if there's support?

this is a retarded misrep

[osuka]

i'm starting to have serious doubts that you're mason

[osuka]

59 does not come from any town with an iq that has anywhere near 3 digits

[osuka]

59 does not come from any town with an iq that has anywhere near 3 digits

what do you think the average iq for players on this site is

i suppose you have a point

[osuka]

i'm starting to have serious doubts that you're mason

59 does not come from any town with an iq that has anywhere near 3 digits

I will ignore your insult and point out the obvious: You are shading me without advocating my lynch. You are testing the waters to see if others are open to pushing me, in which case you would join. That is what it looks like to me.

that's just not true at all. i'm calling your stupid plays out as what they are: stupid plays. I'm not advocating for anyone's lynch and if you legitimately believe that, youre delusional

[osuka]

I can already see that osuka is approving the push and shading me. Do you think this could be him testing the room to see if there's support?

this is a retarded misrep

Are you aware that the average teenager on Fortnite is more polite than you are

yes

[osuka]

59 does not come from any town with an iq that has anywhere near 3 digits

what do you think the average iq for players on this site is

i suppose you have a point

The average IQ on this site is almost definitely above 100.

lol

[osuka]

I can already see that osuka is approving the push and shading me. Do you think this could be him testing the room to see if there's support?

this is a retarded misrep

Are you aware that the average teenager on Fortnite is more polite than you are

yes

I feel like I agree with the content of your posts oftentimes but it's hard to support the way you put it

Like, yeah, those posts weren't smart, but I don't think somebody is remedial based on that...

i mean no offense to any player personally, i actively try not to attack people but instead attack the posts themselves and their content

there's a difference between being harsh or blunt and being an asshole

[osuka]

I have buddies

Given this ^ it's a hood and not actually masons.

this makes sense. i dont see it likely there being 3 masons right?

if there are 3 masons there are probably no town prs

[osuka]

like i really doubt scum has that many prs to justify 3 mason + 1 town pr in a mini setup

[osuka]

I have buddies

Given this ^ it's a hood and not actually masons.

this makes sense. i dont see it likely there being 3 masons right?

if there are 3 masons there are probably no town prs

what is the purpose of this post. why speculate about whether there are town PRs? this post is role fishing.

long shot

im saying there is a very slim chance of 3 masons in a setup of this size. if there are 3 people in a group it's probably a neighborhood

[osuka]

If I'm in a neighbourhood, doesn't it mean I'm lying and may be mafia? I would assume people would want to know that.

You may be mafia regardless of what you’re claiming, to be perfectly clear

[osuka]

I may or may not be in a neighbourhood. I am open to someone claiming neighbours with me which I will play along with. Of course, it might also be my real neighbour if I am in a neighbourhood. This would be the Wifom element at play, and should make it difficult for mafia to decide whether I am a Mason or a neighbour.

Why did you claim Miller Mason? Why didn't you just claim the Miller aspect of your role?

I would also like to know this

I thought it would be a good idea if one of the Masons claimed so that doctors could be used on me. In hindsight I should have checked with my buddies first.

?????????????

[osuka]

Mafia will know I am confirmed town because I am either telling the truth or lying and am mafia. So they would want to kill a confirmed town in the night.

lolllllllllllll fucking what??? I think I’m having a stroke

You do realize mafia knows who is town by virtue of knowing who isn’t mafia, right? Your claim means literally nothing

[osuka]

like i'm sorry but in what world are we living in? nobody is confirmed unless you're IC or there's a flip (either yours, or of a cop that cleared you)

[osuka]

Your claim means literally nothing

It does mean something though. If a mason flips at any point it will prove that Truth is most likely telling the truth.

Yeah I mean at this point with no flips it means nothing

[osuka]

i meant to quote the whole post there.

So in case of a lynch without any info, we're more likely to hit town than mafia. Accordingly, we have to get more info on scum from the lynch than the value of losing a player.

I'm sure that we're marginally more likely to hit mafia with this method on the first day than a completely random RNG lynch but that is not the test IMO.

The real test is whether the net information gained from the reactions of people from being pressured outweighs the high chance of a potential loss of a townie. When I say net information I also mean to include negative utility information for town such as the fact that the mafia knows of the existence of a masonry when it did not need to.

This logic works better the more investigative roles there are in the game though because the more there are the more it makes sense to wait for a night.

I haven't seen anything yet to lose a townie in a 13 player game so far.

VOTE: NO LYNCH

what the fuck is wrong with you

[osuka]

I am okay with not lynching today. Going to even numbers alive on a day is bad, but if a doctor protects me we would actually be back on odd numbers. And not lynching on the first day is better than later on because of the proportion of mafia and town.

VOTE: no lynch

AND you

[osuka]

i have to say i definitely did not expect a discussion of this caliber outside of a newbie game.

the fact that we're on page 7 and talking about a no lynch is just about the stupidest thing in this thread, and that's a particularly low bar with some of the posts i've seen already

[osuka]

My disappointment with half this playerlist is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.

[osuka]

Goddammit, I suck. All this discussion about me is a waste of time because I am not mafia. I'm sorry for leading town down this route because it just helps mafia hide behind this. I regret claiming.

lamist

[osuka]

Could I suggest we move on from this discussion for now and pretend it didn't happen?

As for the arguments to not no lynch, my thinking was that people usually no lynch on even numbers because it makes no difference in the number of lynches left and gives our roles more information. Since we will likely go to even numbers at some point this game due to a doctor saving me or my buddies, why not no lynch on the first day?

omegalul what planet do you live on? NL is almost universally bad unless you're in mylo

you're literally going to give me an aneurysm if you keep talking about the game, you, and your buddies the way you are. it's giving me an almost unbearable urge to put my head through the wall

there's also zero guarantee that there is only one killing role. that means no vig, no neutral-aligned killer, and no multiball (though this last one is pretty unlikely)

[osuka]

Since we will likely go to even numbers at some point this game due to a doctor saving me or my buddies,

We don’t even know this game has a doctor. Or investigative for that matter. Stop being so backwards and learn to play mafia. You signed up to a normal, not a newbie game. Shit’s serious here. We vote scumfucks out of the game and depend on analyzis. PR’s are just tools that sometimes help and sometimes fuck town over. We are not going to depend on them today. Is that understood? Now tell me your reads and vote a scummy player or i will policy lynch both you and your no lynching friend for screwing this game.

i think i love you

[osuka]

Could I suggest we move on from this discussion for now and pretend it didn't happen?

As for the arguments to not no lynch, my thinking was that people usually no lynch on even numbers because it makes no difference in the number of lynches left and gives our roles more information. Since we will likely go to even numbers at some point this game due to a doctor saving me or my buddies, why not no lynch on the first day?

omegalul what planet do you live on? NL is almost universally bad unless you're in mylo

you're literally going to give me an aneurysm if you keep talking about the game, you, and your buddies the way you are. it's giving me an almost unbearable urge to put my head through the wall

there's also zero guarantee that there is only one killing role. that means no vig, no neutral-aligned killer, and no multiball (though this last one is pretty unlikely)

This is kinda Scummy.

It seems OTT.

It also seems like you are not doing anything at all except complaining about how bad Truth is playing. I haven't really seen you do any Scum hunting. Your completely focussed on the claim and nothing else. Don't like this look from you. If you are as smart as you think you are, you would just ignore Truth and hunt elsewhere.

theres really not that much content from other players, but i'm taking notes here and i just don't have a lot to go off of in terms of a good scumread. so far most of what ive seen it's entirely possible that i'm not dealing with scum - it could just be particularly dense town.

[osuka]

I am reading. I don't remember everything. I am suspicious of Osuka as well so I can help here.

VOTE: Osuka

How could you possibly have missed that? It's on the same page you said people were too focussed on your claim that I pointed out Osuka is too focussed on your claim. How exactly DID you miss that?

he actually can be forgiven for missing your "push" because honestly I'm staggered that you dared call it a push in the first place

[osuka]

for context, here's your iso into a search for "osuka":

59 does not come from any town with an iq that has anywhere near 3 digits

what do you think the average iq for players on this site is

i suppose you have a point

The average IQ on this site is almost definitely above 100.

i'm starting to have serious doubts that you're mason

59 does not come from any town with an iq that has anywhere near 3 digits

I will ignore your insult and point out the obvious: You are shading me without advocating my lynch. You are testing the waters to see if others are open to pushing me, in which case you would join. That is what it looks like to me.

that's just not true at all. i'm calling your stupid plays out as what they are: stupid plays. I'm not advocating for anyone's lynch and if you legitimately believe that, youre delusional

That is exactly my point. You are calling me out and shading me while not advocating my lynch. This looks like a mafia play to me. If people agree with you and start voting me, I expect you will then be fine with my lynch, but right now, you are not pushing it because it may make you look like mafia if not enough people get behind it.

He's actually defending you there...

Could I suggest we move on from this discussion for now and pretend it didn't happen?

As for the arguments to not no lynch, my thinking was that people usually no lynch on even numbers because it makes no difference in the number of lynches left and gives our roles more information. Since we will likely go to even numbers at some point this game due to a doctor saving me or my buddies, why not no lynch on the first day?

omegalul what planet do you live on? NL is almost universally bad unless you're in mylo

you're literally going to give me an aneurysm if you keep talking about the game, you, and your buddies the way you are. it's giving me an almost unbearable urge to put my head through the wall

there's also zero guarantee that there is only one killing role. that means no vig, no neutral-aligned killer, and no multiball (though this last one is pretty unlikely)

This is kinda Scummy.

It seems OTT.

It also seems like you are not doing anything at all except complaining about how bad Truth is playing. I haven't really seen you do any Scum hunting. Your completely focussed on the claim and nothing else. Don't like this look from you. If you are as smart as you think you are, you would just ignore Truth and hunt elsewhere.

Well, does anyone have any strong feelings of mafia from any other players? I would be fine with lynching but it doesn't seem like anyone has any leads.

I've pushed like 3-4 people besides you. Given I was the first person to question your claim, I would sorta hope that you would have picked up on that.

Who are these 3-4?

GL, Looker, Osuka. Are you even reading or what?

EBWOP

[osuka]

so to recap:

1. game-unrelated miscellaneous comment on my ad hominem;
2. interaction with a different slot altogether pointing out that their push on me is not, in your view, based on an accurate interpretation of my post;
3. pointing out that you think my post it "kinda scummy"
4. claiming that you pushed me

[osuka]

I am reading. I don't remember everything. I am suspicious of Osuka as well so I can help here.

VOTE: Osuka

How could you possibly have missed that? It's on the same page you said people were too focussed on your claim that I pointed out Osuka is too focussed on your claim. How exactly DID you miss that?

he actually can be forgiven for missing your "push" because honestly I'm staggered that you dared call it a push in the first place

I didn't call it a push.

are you having a stroke?

Well, does anyone have any strong feelings of mafia from any other players? I would be fine with lynching but it doesn't seem like anyone has any leads.

I've pushed like 3-4 people besides you. Given I was the first person to question your claim, I would sorta hope that you would have picked up on that.

Who are these 3-4?

GL, Lucky, Osuka. Are you even reading or what?

[osuka]

let me emphasize this just so there's literally no question on anyone's mind

[osuka]

I've pushed like 3-4 people besides you. Given I was the first person to question your claim, I would sorta hope that you would have picked up on that.

I've pushed like 3-4 people besides you.

Who are these 3-4?

GL, Lucky, Osuka. Are you even reading or what?

[osuka]

VOTE: lq
this is the most stunning display of self-contradiction and sheer lack of sense that i've seen in a long time

[osuka]

let me emphasize this just so there's literally no question on anyone's mind

And let me emphasize something:

theres really not that much content from other players, but i'm taking notes here and i just don't have a lot to go off of in terms of a good scumread.

So you think you have done more than me or are you just OMGUSing me pure and straight up?

no, i'm saying that the content you just put up is bad enough that I think i can get behind your lynch for reasons of alignment or policy, whichever more applicable

[osuka]

let me emphasize this just so there's literally no question on anyone's mind

And let me emphasize something:

theres really not that much content from other players, but i'm taking notes here and i just don't have a lot to go off of in terms of a good scumread.

So you think you have done more than me or are you just OMGUSing me pure and straight up?

no

Then shut it. I've already helped work out the claim more than you, I've pushed stuff more than you, I've Scum hunted more than you, I've gamesolved more than you. You have no more reasons to hide behind your OMGUS.

Are you actually this dense or are you just acting? You literally cropped out the part of the post that actually replies to your question, dimwit

[osuka]

Well, does anyone have any strong feelings of mafia from any other players? I would be fine with lynching but it doesn't seem like anyone has any leads.

I am reading. I don't remember everything. I am suspicious of Osuka as well so I can help here.

VOTE: Osuka

What made you start suspecting osuka

He’s just really dense and he doesn’t like how I talk, I take it

[osuka]

Well, does anyone have any strong feelings of mafia from any other players? I would be fine with lynching but it doesn't seem like anyone has any leads.

I am reading. I don't remember everything. I am suspicious of Osuka as well so I can help here.

VOTE: Osuka

What made you start suspecting osuka

He’s just really dense and he doesn’t like how I talk, I take it

You realize you holding this position makes you look really bad if Truth flips Scum, right? Like, you have a bad case of a double standard here. On the one hand, you say Truth is stupid, but for some reason you feel content to otherwise leave the slot alone in terms of actually giving a Town/Scum read on that slot. On the other hand, you want to PL me because... why, exactly? Because I pushed you for your non-committal, complaining that doesn't help solve the game at ALL? No one can see your notes, bro. Why do you expect us to just believe you are Town here. But far be it from anyone else to push you. Oh no, can't have that, can we?

So your stance on Truth is Scummy since you haven't actually said anything about that slot in terms of Scum/Town except to say they are incompetent - meanwhile, me, who is trying their hardest to sort the claim while providing other takes on the game as well you want to PL for having one stance you disagree with, namely, a push on you for doing nothing but complaining? Yeah, inconsistent isn't the half of it.

you didn't push me but you clearly claimed to have done so, and then backpedalled 2 posts later. that's

really

weird.

i never said truth isn't scummy and in fact i would very much consider a lynch on that slot, but i'd much rather push you right now (that's what I'm doing) and i can do that regardless of what i think about truth.

nice misrep though

[osuka]

osuka, why is that backpedal more likely to come from scum than town?

he tried to make a point in a very obviously ingenuine fashion. why do you feel like you have to show someone "look at all these slots i pushed" if youre town when the number is clearly at least inflated?

[osuka]

I am reading. I don't remember everything. I am suspicious of Osuka as well so I can help here.

VOTE: Osuka

How could you possibly have missed that? It's on the same page you said people were too focussed on your claim that I pointed out Osuka is too focussed on your claim. How exactly DID you miss that?

he actually can be forgiven for missing your "push" because honestly I'm staggered that you dared call it a push in the first place

I didn't call it a push.

Osuka thinks this post by you was a backpedal because you said you were pushing him earlier in 195

Well, then Osuka needs to learn how to read.

assuming you _do_ know how to read, i highly suggest you start doing so:

I am reading. I don't remember everything. I am suspicious of Osuka as well so I can help here.

VOTE: Osuka

How could you possibly have missed that? It's on the same page you said people were too focussed on your claim that I pointed out Osuka is too focussed on your claim. How exactly DID you miss that?

he actually can be forgiven for missing your "push" because honestly I'm staggered that you dared call it a push in the first place

I didn't call it a push.

are you having a stroke?

Well, does anyone have any strong feelings of mafia from any other players? I would be fine with lynching but it doesn't seem like anyone has any leads.

I've pushed like 3-4 people besides you. Given I was the first person to question your claim, I would sorta hope that you would have picked up on that.

Who are these 3-4?

GL, Lucky, Osuka. Are you even reading or what?

[osuka]

I don't know what fucking planet you're living on, but if 210 doesn't very directly contradict 195+198 then I don't know what the fuck to tell you

[osuka]

I don't know what fucking planet you're living on, but if 210 doesn't very directly contradict 195+198 then I don't know what the fuck to tell you

ebwop I meant 208 not 210

[osuka]

I am okay with not lynching today. Going to even numbers alive on a day is bad, but if a doctor protects me we would actually be back on odd numbers. And not lynching on the first day is better than later on because of the proportion of mafia and town.

VOTE: no lynch

Y'all are going to turn me into osuka at this rate

now you see how i feel? welcome to my world

[osuka]

I am reading. I don't remember everything. I am suspicious of Osuka as well so I can help here.

VOTE: Osuka

How could you possibly have missed that? It's on the same page you said people were too focussed on your claim that I pointed out Osuka is too focussed on your claim. How exactly DID you miss that?

he actually can be forgiven for missing your "push" because honestly I'm staggered that you dared call it a push in the first place

What would you call it besides a push? I did say it was a push, but the fact that you focus on my wording instead of my actions tells a whole lot more about you then me. It was pretty clear that I put pressure on you. call it a push, call it pressure, call it Scum hunting, doesn't really matter what you call it. It's pretty clear you keep majoring on the minors. First it was my word choice, now it's something about how you personally categorize stuff, meanwhile, you HAVEN'T actually put any pressure, pushed, Scum hunted really anyone in this game at all except me based on a technicality that is beyond weak. For lack of a better term, it's a bad push.

VOTE: Osuka

For the contradiction of pushing me and not Truth.

and there it is, the classic scum meltdown into omgus

there's a lot to unpack here. in order: you didn't even cast shade on me. You literally just said "this post is kinda scummy and over the top" and proceeded to do ~literally fucking nothing~ about it, other than using it as leverage to defend yourself vs truth's own pseudo-push.

"the minors" are where people who are at least halfway competent slip in this game. the way you say things often reveals much more than the things you're actually saying (or omitting). Even if completely ignoring the fact that I actually did exactly what you suggested in 191 (i.e., pushed someone else - just happened to be you), i find it very difficult to believe that the sequence in 195-198-201-202 topped off by 208 comes from town

you got overly defensive way too quick and tried to spin the situation as if i was the offending party, when in fact you very directly contradicted yourself after making a very noncommittal poke at me to use it elsewhere in the game, then flipping right back to whatever version of it was most convenient for you at the time

[osuka]

to be clear: there is no way on the planet you're both town and playing wc here. I refuse to believe anyone with a join date earlier than fucking yesterday plays the game, as town, to win, like you are playing right now

[osuka]

Well, does anyone have any strong feelings of mafia from any other players? I would be fine with lynching but it doesn't seem like anyone has any leads.

Considering this was on page 8 maybe you should have been pressuring somewhere and not making the Mafiascum post equivalent of Hint Water

youre definitely showing some very promising shitpost potential here

[osuka]

I am reading. I don't remember everything. I am suspicious of Osuka as well so I can help here.

VOTE: Osuka

How could you possibly have missed that? It's on the same page you said people were too focussed on your claim that I pointed out Osuka is too focussed on your claim. How exactly DID you miss that?

he actually can be forgiven for missing your "push" because honestly I'm staggered that you dared call it a push in the first place

I didn't call it a push.

is this part of the 2020 Black Mirror plot

what timeline am I in

we're in the stupid timeline

[osuka]

Could I suggest we move on from this discussion for now and pretend it didn't happen?

As for the arguments to not no lynch, my thinking was that people usually no lynch on even numbers because it makes no difference in the number of lynches left and gives our roles more information. Since we will likely go to even numbers at some point this game due to a doctor saving me or my buddies, why not no lynch on the first day?

omegalul what planet do you live on? NL is almost universally bad unless you're in mylo

you're literally going to give me an aneurysm if you keep talking about the game, you, and your buddies the way you are. it's giving me an almost unbearable urge to put my head through the wall

there's also zero guarantee that there is only one killing role. that means no vig, no neutral-aligned killer, and no multiball (though this last one is pretty unlikely)

This is kinda Scummy.

It seems OTT.

It also seems like you are not doing anything at all except complaining about how bad Truth is playing. I haven't really seen you do any Scum hunting. Your completely focussed on the claim and nothing else. Don't like this look from you. If you are as smart as you think you are, you would just ignore Truth and hunt elsewhere.

Just chiming in to say that Osuka definitely does this as town so it's probably NAI

You're going to have to link that.

I

think

she means this

[osuka]

No. I'm saying his stance on me doesn't seem like he actually SRs me. He MIGHT be doing this for personal reasons. I won't rule that out. But I just don't think he thinks I am Scum here. I think he might have gotten upset that I said he wasn't doing anything and took it out on me if he's Town here, but ultimately, he just doesn't actually BELIEVE that I am Scum. That's what I have a problem with.

please let me know whenever youre done reading my fucking mind

Personally, I don't think he is deranged enough to self harm himself because I generally see him more as a sadist than a masochist, which leans me in the direction that he is Scum.

this is the first accurate statement youve made about me in this thread so far

[osuka]

Why are they both town?

As for your leads questions, I was suspecting osuka before that if you check my earlier posts.

you've also said nothing of substance as to why you're suspecting me, or even what you're suspecting me of (i assume of being scum)

[osuka]

you're literally going to give me an aneurysm if you keep talking about the game, you, and your buddies the way you are. it's giving me an almost unbearable urge to put my head through the wall

I feel like this is a disproportionate response to newbies doing newbie shit

like yeah Truth's reasoning isn't great but to get this riled up about it? feels performative

i thought truth was an alt?

[osuka]

like that almost feels like a gimmick alt. Join date of literally yesterday, named "Truth" and saying "i don't lie"

[osuka]

I didn't see anything I would consider OTT.

Just to be clear for everyone else, the "nothing OTT" game that Quick purportedly just skimmed involved Osuka and Formerfish going so completely over the top with mocking 2 players' posts (and themselves) that 7/9 players in the game replaced out then and there, and at least 1 sitewide ban was given.

eh okay given Nauci's meta defense of osuka I suspect the performative thing is NAI

I remember I played with osuka once a few years ago and didn't remember this level of intensity but that game you linked is a lot more recent

i'm just significantly more jaded now

[osuka]

osuka - town but omg does this guy have any friends or does he just hate everyone lol

the latter

glitch can be town for now

[osuka]

Could they not be performing an act of WIFOM? Where they intentionally push each other with reasons that seem legitimate, but it's because they know people will think they are town for doing them.

I 100% believe that scum put on this type of show sometimes but I 0% believe that either Quick or Osuka could do that

ouch, I’m hurt

I definitely want you to see my scum game sometime, please make sure you’re in more games with me

[osuka]

Is millar the same thing as miller?

Yes, and that's a semi Town-slip from you.

I don't want to lynch Truth today.

fucking lol

What???

[osuka]

I’m busy tonight but please don’t lynch until tomorrow, i need to proper catch up

[osuka]

@nauci I’m drunk as fuck should i engage drunkposting mode

[osuka]

@nauci I’m drunk as fuck should i engage drunkposting mode

Yes absolutely

(Mostly because I don't think anyone here is likely to be annoyed out of the game by your antics since it's not a newbie game)

ok

[osuka]

Why are you trying to pocket me

[osuka]

Is nobody really gonna post right now

[osuka]

You guys suck

[osuka]

Nauci please answer my question

[osuka]

Why are you trying to pocket me

[osuka]

Is nobody really gonna post right now

Not our faults you live in an assbackwards timezone.

Time zones are really weird but I live in a perfectly reasonable time zone, like I’m not in Australia or anything

[osuka]

Everyone knows Australia doesn’t exist. It’s not real

[osuka]

Is nobody really gonna post right now

Not our faults you live in an assbackwards timezone.

I don't even understand why you would say this, jokingly or not

It was like 11 pm pst, a fairly reasonable hour to expect some people to be actively posting

With that said I went to bed at like 7 AM this morning so my understanding of normal and time zones is skewed af

time doesn’t exist, normal is not normal

Have you ever thought about how reality is only real for yourself? Does that make reality not real? If reality is not real, then how do we know what exists and what doesn’t, other than ourselves?

[osuka]

In other news, truth is probably scum

[osuka]

In other news, truth is probably scum

I don't think this is true but the entire time he's been posting I've been giggling at the hypothetical thought that every time he said his teammates disagree with him or told him something is a bad move it was because he's scum and his scum teammates are facepalming hard that he decided to run with this gambit and sort of deal then into it without even asking them if he should

That’s a very detailed scenario

in this hypothetical scenario, are you in his mafia pt?

[osuka]

-You could want to stick with me and see if a popopopopopopopopop mislynch could go through without you, in which case a) GL looks bad and b) you can then play the 'I told you so, GL is scum!!' card on D2

Nah, i would just nightkill you buddy.

this post is weird, not to mention the fact that nking guilty in that scenario might be a bad idea to begin with

[osuka]

im not sure how i feel about glitch. looker has barely posted so i dont have a read there either

glitch in particular has posts that don't really ping me either way, but i should iso that slot and delve in a little deeper sometime soon

nauci might be scum and couldve been trying to pocket me or something, but now that ive voiced that thought she should give up on that front. doesn't mean she's not scum though

not quite sure how i feel about lion and popopopopoopopoopopppop. it's definitely not svs, maybe tvt (unlikely?) but probably tvs. not sure who the scum there is, though. lion has some slightly scummy vibes if we're talking strictly meta, but i'm not too sure there either

[osuka]

truth on the other hand keeps trying to get himself lynched

[osuka]

Err, how long can we expect this day to take?

it's literally on every vote count

[osuka]

That's a long amount of time... I hope we don't plan to use all of it.

truth on the other hand keeps trying to get himself lynched

[osuka]

lion has some slightly scummy vibes if we're talking strictly meta

Explain

he doesnt usually play this defensively when hes town from what i can tell. he seems to be very obviously uncomfortable, which is a tell of scum gl

[osuka]

i think glitch can be town for now

[osuka]

I don't understand how you can believe that. What reasons do you have for it? I have been trying to find mafia and I want a doctor to heal me so that I'm not killed tonight.

in what world do you live in

[osuka]

I’m pretty good at reading the atmosphere when i deeply immerse myself in a game. And right now i’m feeling a: "GuiltyLion has scum teammates and they are reluctant to buss him." Kind of atmosphere.

who would you say his scum buddies are other than nauci

[osuka]

I'm not someone who's "obviously uncomfortable" when I'm scum. Just less engaged than I am as town.

this is kind of what I was going for but i think youre right here on second thought.

my problems with being scum have to do with keeping up and generating a

quantity

of content, it's not a

quality

of content problem

this nails it kinda. ive read a few of your games because i was trying to understand your playstyle back when we played that game and i remember that really stood out to me

[osuka]

so honestly this is a fair reaction from gl and i'm not so sure he's scum anymore but i wouldn't say he leans town either. null for me there atm I think

naucy is still playing a very weird game i think though

I think norwegian is town

[osuka]

I don't have a case or anything, but my gut says Glitch is Scum currently.

VOTE: Glitch

why?

[osuka]

Nauci's townblock thing was forced A F and didn't feel natural.

i agree with this. it did feel very weird

as i said a lot of nauci's play this game feels very odd

[osuka]

Nauci's townblock thing was forced A F and didn't feel natural.

i agree with this. it did feel very weird

as i said a lot of nauci's play this game feels very odd

I kinda don't see that. Nauci has also pointed out some very Pro-Town things.

Such as?

It's already been mentioned. Trying to find a balance between osuka and I for one. Secondly, they gave some meta on me, which if you consider, helps sort me quite a bit. IDK why Scum would do that other than to look Town.

it honestly felt like she was trying to pocket me for a bit there

[osuka]

IDK why Scum would do that other than to look Town.

I think you're comically missing the point of what scum's job is.

Which is NOT to look Town.

what?

[osuka]

IDK why Scum would do that other than to look Town.

I think you're comically missing the point of what scum's job is.

Which is NOT to look Town.

Not sure i agree... but ok, not a hill i'd want to die on.

Scum's job is to lynch Town. Town's job is to lynch Scum. That's the only reason why Town looks Town and Scum looks Scum. Otherwise SOMETIMES Scum wants to look Town, but not at the expense of lynching Town. Does that make sense?

i don't think this does. if scum looks like town and town wants to lynch (what looks like) scum, then the obvious conclusion is that town will not lynch scum, which in turn means that town gets lynched (by exclusion, assuming a lynch)

[osuka]

IDK why Scum would do that other than to look Town.

I think you're comically missing the point of what scum's job is.

Which is NOT to look Town.

Not sure i agree... but ok, not a hill i'd want to die on.

Scum's job is to lynch Town. Town's job is to lynch Scum. That's the only reason why Town looks Town and Scum looks Scum. Otherwise SOMETIMES Scum wants to look Town, but not at the expense of lynching Town. Does that make sense?

i don't think this does. if scum looks like town and town wants to lynch (what looks like) scum, then the obvious conclusion is that town will not lynch scum, which in turn means that town gets lynched (by exclusion, assuming a lynch)

Sorry, your fundamental way you play mafia is WRONG.

the whole point of playing scum as if you were town is that if people can't tell you apart from an actual townie, then assuming a random lynch, you win the game most of the time because a random lynch statistically benefits scum

but sorry please do go on about how scum is supposed to look like scum

[osuka]

osuka dialing back me, on first take I can kinda see it being town, but I don't like how he didn't really address where the meta point originally came from and I don't like the subtle redirect to Nauci who had started the wagon on him. I also just don't find Nauci's game all that scummy I think she's pretty likely town and a bad vote for today.

I agree with Quick that optimal mafia play is moreso about pushing mislynches than looking town, but I think the argument kinda quickly derailed from the original point about whether Nauci's play serves a scum agenda or not. The reason I think it's town-indicative that she defused the Osuka/Quick argument is because if she is scum then she's removing distractions or potential footholds to vote/engage at no benefit to herself. I don't agree that she gets any real "towncred" from that, as evidenced by the fact that many players are still throwing around the idea of voting her.

Glitch actually felt more townie to me in his most recent post than any of his past ones, he's not a bonafide townread yet and I don't think I'd cry if he got lynched but I'm more interested in osuka/NDMath slots first.

as i said I read a bunch of your games back in the day and that was the one thing that stood out to me.

i felt like nauci had been trying to pocket me for a bit there though and she only started pushing me after i called that out, which i found even weirder

[osuka]

@Truth how has your read on Osuka evolved since you moved your vote off of him?

I still don't like him. My suspects are po, osuka, and maybe Glitch. Do you want me to vote for osuka again?

This is getting a little ridiculous

[osuka]

@nauci I’m being lazy and I need to stop being lazy tbh. I’ll put more effort in tonight after work, but if you wanna see a lazy town game from me look at the large normal I played a while back (world record mafia - large 213?)

[osuka]

@nauci I’m being lazy and I need to stop being lazy tbh. I’ll put more effort in tonight after work, but if you wanna see a lazy town game from me look at the large normal I played a while back (world record mafia - large 213?)

Okay but even if you don't have the bandwidth to effort post about everyone, what if you started with just explaining what you meant by "weird" and why

originally i had a slight tr on you but at some point it went from trying to defuse the situation between me and quick to trying a bit too hard to do that. that's when it started pinging me

i'll iso you soon(tm) and i'll post updates

[osuka]

@GuiltyLion you were in that newbie game with Osuka, so what's your take on my read?

I totally agree with it and am glad you cased it as explicitly as you did. If I'm trying to be charitable to osuka, mayyyybe he might have gotten lazier over the years since it's a somewhat old game, but that doesn't negate the fact that his shade towards you (as well as myself) here WAS vague and he's clearly someone with enough experience/capability to bring receipts.

i did get lazier over the years, significantly so

[osuka]

someone asked me a while back if i still scumread truth - yes, yes i do. how can you not? look at what the fuck that slots been doing

[osuka]

(Posting one at a time to make lion happy.)

I'm not understanding the attacks on osuka.

What's there to not understand?

Osuka's posts comprise of the brief fight with Quick, a lot of posts facepalming at Truth which are mostly meaningless, and a very lazy and unsubstantiated push on me.

I scumreads the way that Osuka talks about my posting as "weird" repeatedly without ever explaining weird how—it's exactly the kind of shallow shade throwing without being able to come up with a proper case/narrative that signifies scum pushes vs town ones, especially at an opportune time when others like CSF were FoSing me.

He has repeatedly tried to misconstrue the way I have tried to explain his meta to the game as buddying, even though I've repeatedly told him and everyone else why I said what I did about him and wasn't at buddying. He's not engaging with my push at all or answering my question.

I read osuka's iso, I should have done that in the first place.

cool, you read my iso

and what? did you get nothing from it?

[osuka]

He's misinterpreting norwee's post in a way that's missing what's intended to be a humorous statement and instead interpreting it as norwee scumreading him. I found more of norwee's points valid and their tone townie.

This doesn't feel like honest analysis to me. Let's rewind and look at the Norway post that you say is "intended to be a humorous statement" -

GuiltyLion, can you please come in and obvtown it up soon. Your RVS entrance coupled with disappearing hasn’t exactly filled me to the brin with confidence regarding your slot.

what do you see as the humor in this post? This to me felt like a really bogus shade and I kinda took it personally, my RVS was completely NAI and I 'disappeared' because I had other stuff I wanted to do away from the site. I honestly hate coming to threads and seeing people talk about how scummy I am solely because I'm not available to post at all times, it gets under my skin. So what did I misinterpret here, exactly?

alright, if you ask for it I will indulge!

5. Finally, adding your next post into the mix, it's not really clear to me

at all

why you have any of the reads that you do. Your reads list has most of the players in the game in ambiguous nully tiers with no explanation given as to how they got to be there or where you'd feel comfortable voting. Why am I lower than Candyshop, who is lower than everyone else in the game? Do you think I'm more likely scum? If both myself and Candyshop were at L-1 and you were holding the hammer, you'd vote me over Candy Shop - why? Why are Glitch/Nauci below the four players above them? Would you vote to lynch either of those slots today?

6. None of it is content that is useful to me to help understand your thought process or suggests that you're taking initiative to solve the game for your benefit or anyone else's. It all feels very timid and blendy, like you're just posting a formulaic template of what you think town posts are supposed to look like.

5. The purpose of the readlist was to summarize the catchup and fill in what wasn't said in terms of reads. I'm more willing to hang the further down the list, and I tend to be a more defensive player in that I prefer not having my townreads hung to getting my scumreads hung.
6. I'm not comprehending this paragraph.

5 - I think you kinda missed my point here. I'm not so much questioning the purpose of a reads list in general, I'm more specifically questioning why your tiers exist, they feel arbitrary. Let's just zoom in on Candy Shop for a single example - it's baffling to me that he somehow exists in between Glitch/Nauci and myself. Presumably, all of us are scumreads to you in some form or the other. How and why did you decide to put him in a tier of his own? Why not just have him on my tier, or the tier above? What meaning were you trying to convey by separating the four of us into three tiers like that?

6 - I feel it's kinda clear? None of your post by post comments lead me to understand how you then created that readslist. Largely because of my issues in point 5, I can't trace a clear train of thought from "here's my thoughts as I'm reading the game" -> "here's how my reads got to be where they are".

From context of this post and that they're my most recent games, I'm assuming the games you Iso'd my slot were open777 and largenomal227.
In open 777 I wasn't 'townie' and 'insightful' until day 2. Day 1 I was scumread by many players and my reads were very omgussy.
In largenormal227 I layed low and didn't do much until I lead massclaim. I definitely wasn't very goal oriented in this game.
Also, I would love to point out the use of 'so far here' as opposed to presumably looking at most of the game in the other games.

I'm not sure why this counts as a defense? Aren't you saying basically that as town you don't start trying until later, and you haven't tried yet here? How is that different from a scum game where you don't try?

and I definitely think you were more goal oriented in large normal 227. Here are your second, third, fourth, fifth posts from that game:

Spoiler: NDMath ISO in Large Normal 227

1. Nope.
2. Mininormal 2125
3. Not sure.

From tone I have hoctac and norwee likely town and manatee likely scum.

Not a strong read but,
Nothing of his rings townie, and I particularly see this post coming from scum.

while we r at it, lets try to make communications clean and fluid
the more content we have, the better
if we need to translate every 2 posts, we r looseing possibilities on interactions

dont like this post it screams "im towny"

in a large game like this, picking some VI to quicklynch isn't a bad idea day 1.

While I dont like the idea behind this post im inclined to believe it comes from town for now

hum, that post seems more townie than scummy than me
idk how good my tone reading is though

What's your thoughts on stan1ey?

I like what he is doing so far. He is clarifying stuff and also trying to scumhunt(votato)
He said he was really good at scum though, but I still tl stan1ey

Similar to what I was thinking when I read his iso so far. His answers to questions all seem natural.

The more word talks the more I like his progression.

This is like page 7-8 or whatever of that game and ALL of these posts stand out more to me in terms of trying to sort players, generate content, and share reads to influence than thread than anything you've done here so far. I'll grant you that maybe it's been harder in this game because pages and pages were generated while you weren't around, but tbh if you're town in this game, you'd be far better served just quoting singular posts and giving takes like you did in 227 than doing the giant fluff walls filled with empty statements like you've given us so far.

I interpreted the post as being annoyed they didn't have as many townreads as they would like, and picked you because of prior experience and not having posted as much as other slots.

I scumread candyshop because of his no hang argument and lack of things I see town motivation in. Nauci/glitch I didn't like a few posts from and had them just under null. I strongly scumread you, mainly from your norwee interaction. But basically both of 5/6 are complaints that I didn't attach reasons to my readlist, and I don't see what's inherently wrong with that as it can be clarified and most of the reads weren't very strong.

I meant it more so as I need to first get a grasp on the game.

I guess I don't see/get the difference other than I haven't asked anyone for reads since everyone's given some.

this post is pretty bland

[osuka]

@looker you seem to have stopped interesting with GL and have been suspecting other players since your vote. Has your read on him changed since then, or is he still your top scum read?

My lynch preferences reduced to percentages are:
22% Guilty Lion | 18% popopo | 17% Candy Shop or mavsfan41 | 13% LicketyQuick | 12% NDMath | 8% Glitch | 5% Nauci | 4% Norway | 1% Truth, Osuka, or Cat Scratch

@Truth how has your read on Osuka evolved since you moved your vote off of him?

I still don't like him. My suspects are po, osuka, and maybe Glitch. Do you want me to vote for osuka again?

I want you to choose between Candy Shop and mavsfan41.

I think I'm nearing prod range so this is a prodge

my husband probably broke his foot yesterday so rl is busy right now

Same (with regard to being busy). It sometimes feels like posting on here is a chore.

why do you still wanna lynch gl so much? even if you think he's scummy, aren't there better slots to lynch in terms of both scum probability and flip information?

[osuka]

In any case, I feel less sure about Osuka being Town. I find the arguments against him seem legit and he's still voting me for who really knows what reason at this point. @NDMath, what do you think of osuka?

i honestly forgot i had voteparked you, but just for your conscience's sake
UNVOTE:

[osuka]

Nauci seems Town to the naked eye, but I am not seeing anything that makes me think it isn't something Scum could post - especially considering Nauci's high use of meta as a playstyle. Not going to just assume Nauci is Town just because they have meta dove people.

this sums up my feelings on nauci if i forget about the buddying thing, which in all honesty could actually have been just playstyle (to give her the benefit of the doubt)

[osuka]

I want you to choose between Candy Shop and mavsfan41.

I like Candy Shop. I was happy mavsfan trusted me but I get the feeling mafia will also be more likely to trust me, because they know I can't be mafia and am telling the truth. I will leave him as an unsure.

why do you like candy shop?

[osuka]

Okay, mavsfan. I think I understand. But it is logical for me to want a doctor on me because I know I'm a mason and mafia will know that too.

On another note, I was surprised to see Looker put me on a 1% wanting to lynch, when he was earlier saying I was bluffing my claim. He might be going with the flow.

how the fuck is mafia supposed to know you're mason? mafia has no setup knowledge other than their own roles

you seem to gravely misunderstand some very core concepts of this game

[osuka]

mavs can be town as of 938, solidly so

[osuka]

*kicks down door*

Now this is a player list!

oh with you here now it really is

[osuka]

Welcome Blair. The guy you replaced was pushing for a nolynch, so you have a lot to live up to

I don't think i've ever seen a scum slot advocate for no lynch and site flake. I'm pretty sure they're town unless specifically proven otherwise.

omegalul fucking what

[osuka]

Starting my catch up momentarily.

Whoever is around right now: I was considering making a drinking game of every time someone posted something completely insane. Quick question - if I do this, will I die?

ahahahahahah prepare your fucking liver

[osuka]

Osuka did you have a scum lean on Nauci in 876? If so, what happened to that?

i did and i still do, but she did make a good point that her explaining other people's playstyle is a pattern and likely nai

[osuka]

osuka likes to post a lot of times close to each other. Is doing this instead of putting thoughts into one part a mafia tactic? It makes it look like he has a bigger presence or is more involved than he actually is. It gave me that impression too until I realised that it can be manipulated

Do people look at number of posts to see if someone is likely to be town or mafia?

i found myself typing "this has to be the most ridiculous thing in this thread" but then i quickly realized how many times i found myself typing that because of your posts

to quote myself, this is a shit post. contrast that to a shitpost, which is funny, and most definitely not a shit post (at least not necessarily).

[osuka]

*drink*

i'm only two beers deep and honestly i can tell you it is not enough for this shit

[osuka]

*drink*

i'm only two beers deep and honestly i can tell you it is not enough for this shit

Your push on Truth is ass.
Vote NDMath.

please explain

[osuka]

i agree with that, but why is the push bad? You shouldn't be pushing your preferred lynches only

[osuka]

@Osuka
What are you current scumreads right now anyway?

Probably nauci and nd

[osuka]

Actually Blair, unless you plan to case CSF hard and get a lot of people on your side, i'd much prefer it if you joined the NDMath wagon since it's got more votes and game needs a lynch right now. I sense apathy with the lack of posting lately.

this is an odd post from a slot that is otherwise fairly towny

[osuka]

As of page 35, I don't scumread Nauci anymore

holy shit haha

and

I

thought i was late to this game

[osuka]

how the fuck is mafia supposed to know you're mason? mafia has no setup knowledge other than their own roles

you seem to gravely misunderstand some very core concepts of this game

If he is in fact a mason, it's pretty natural to assume that mafia would know he's town and therefore likely not lying about being a

mason

of all things

I still like the Osuka vote, none of his latest bursts of post felt all that town and this one was really bad shade-for-sake-of-shade

this isn’t false if you take the literal meaning here but boy is this ever a spin

He operates under the assumption that mafia knows his role, and of particular note is the fact that this one isn’t even one of the most absurd things in the laundry list of mind boggingly nonsensical things that slot has been saying thus game. Why are you defending a slot that is either scum or so glaringly anti town?

[osuka]

CSF's ISO is full of:

A. Safe pushes

B. Clarifying questions

C. Mediation of misunderstandings

These are all things I reliably do as scum when I want to coast, and CSF and I just completed a scum game together so the mind-meld makes sense.

But that's not how I play scum

lol, what kind of response is this

It’s not how I play scum and Blair just played scum with me

It is how I play town

this is a completely meaningless post

[osuka]

CSF's ISO is full of:

A. Safe pushes

B. Clarifying questions

C. Mediation of misunderstandings

These are all things I reliably do as scum when I want to coast, and CSF and I just completed a scum game together so the mind-meld makes sense.

But that's not how I play scum

lol, what kind of response is this

It’s not how I play scum and Blair just played scum with me

It is how I play town

how the fuck is mafia supposed to know you're mason? mafia has no setup knowledge other than their own roles

you seem to gravely misunderstand some very core concepts of this game

If he is in fact a mason, it's pretty natural to assume that mafia would know he's town and therefore likely not lying about being a

mason

of all things

I still like the Osuka vote, none of his latest bursts of post felt all that town and this one was really bad shade-for-sake-of-shade

this isn’t false if you take the literal meaning here but boy is this ever a spin

He operates under the assumption that mafia knows his role, and of particular note is the fact that this one isn’t even one of the most absurd things in the laundry list of mind boggingly nonsensical things that slot has been saying thus game. Why are you defending a slot that is either scum or so glaringly anti town?

Mafia would know he's Town tho...

Yeah, what’s your point?

[osuka]

Ah my mistake I didn’t mean to quote csf twice there, mobile posting

[osuka]

Actually Blair, unless you plan to case CSF hard and get a lot of people on your side, i'd much prefer it if you joined the NDMath wagon since it's got more votes and game needs a lynch right now. I sense apathy with the lack of posting lately.

this is an odd post from a slot that is otherwise fairly towny

This is an odd shade from a slot that has otherwise mostly ignored me.

I just haven’t been given a reason to push you

[osuka]

Actually Blair, unless you plan to case CSF hard and get a lot of people on your side, i'd much prefer it if you joined the NDMath wagon since it's got more votes and game needs a lynch right now. I sense apathy with the lack of posting lately.

this is an odd post from a slot that is otherwise fairly towny

This is an odd shade from a slot that has otherwise mostly ignored me.

If osuka is scum we should lynch him tomorrow, I enjoy his posts.

????????

[osuka]

VOTE: osuka

I think I prefer this over Glitch, who I'm not sure isn't just new town who scumreads people for not explaining reads.

Mainly sheeping Nauci's metacase tbh. I also think him forgetting to use his vote is scum indicative

When did I forget to use my vote? There are 5 days til deadline and more than one viable wagon

this is a scum post

[osuka]

how the fuck is mafia supposed to know you're mason? mafia has no setup knowledge other than their own roles

you seem to gravely misunderstand some very core concepts of this game

If he is in fact a mason, it's pretty natural to assume that mafia would know he's town and therefore likely not lying about being a

mason

of all things

I still like the Osuka vote, none of his latest bursts of post felt all that town and this one was really bad shade-for-sake-of-shade

Do you think osuka could be making sure I'm actually a mason and not lying in that post? Like he's mafia and wants to kill me if I'm a mason but wants to keep questioning me just to make sure. I think this another reason to think he is mafia.

This is such a dense post that it hurts

I think hypotheticals are a little too much for you to handle right now, so for the first part of the post assume I’m town and for the second, assume I’m scum.

Let’s start with town. How am I lying in that post? What am I trying to accomplish? Why am I doing any of what I’m doing in that post?

Now, assume I’m scum. How am I not lying in that post? If I wanted to kill you, why wouldn’t I just do it since you keep claiming mason anyway? If I

did

want to make sure you’re mason, how is that post supposed to accomplish that? Why would I “keep questioning to make sure” when I know for a fact that that line of questioning has diminishing returns (i.e., we’re all as sure as we’re gonna be about your claim, however sure that is, until someone else claims mason or we get a revealing flip, neither of which is going to happen d1) and I’d only be exposing myself for no reason?

You seem to have a very shallow understanding or how scum plays the game

[osuka]

There’s also a lot of meta reads on me, so I’ll point out the fact that people have repeatedly failed to read me, meta or otherwise

[osuka]

Cat scratch showing up and posting again on cue after Blairs push. Won't vote ndmath because *reasons* . Glitches case is good even if it just reiterates what i said in more words.

Cat scratchs hop on osuka is opportunistic as fuck. Notice how she only votes osuka after norwe indicates an interest

I’m not sure i’m feeling either a Glitch or CSF lynch today, but i could definitely go for either NDMath or Osuka.

Now osuka is a very easy wagon to park a vote on. This is because a) he has been tunneling truth for being stupid, which I think is NAI but also easy to point to as "scummy" and b) his posting other than that hasn't felt super engaged, which again i find NAI on day 1. And c) one of the most active players in the game just said they'd be fine with a wagon there.

VOTE: osuka

I think I prefer this over Glitch, who I'm not sure isn't just new town who scumreads people for not explaining reads.

Mainly sheeping Nauci's metacase tbh. I also think him forgetting to use his vote is scum indicative

There are two problems with this vote that I see. The first is that it was only made after tacit approval from norwe of an osuka wagon just a few posts earlier. in fact, prior to norwes post approving of the osuka wagon, cat scratch had never said he scumread osuka. The last definitive read on osuka cat gave is here

Why are they both town?

As for your leads questions, I was suspecting osuka before that if you check my earlier posts.

Based on their back and forth, I think they both believe in their pushes. I can also understand why they each scumread the other even though I disagree with it.

They're both independently towny as well. Quick has demonstrated that he has an unusual process of scumhunting, and I think his process is hard to fake.

I'm gut townreading osuka.

Why is osuka scummy for thinking you could be lying about being a mason but not wanting to take the risk of pushing you? A lot of people have expressed disbelief in your mason claim yet no one is pushing for your lynch off the top of my head.

Holy shit

and until the post cat made voting osuka he had not mentioned him as a scumread as far as I can tell. So osuka has gone from a gut townread, in a TvT with quick according to cat scratch, to now being cats big scumread.

Now as for the reason for voting osuka, cat scratch cited sheeping Nauci. Nauci isn't even voting osuka, he's voting NDmath, so you're sheeping someone who isn't even convinced of their own point. Id like cat to elaborate on the osuka read, is it just the push on nauci you find scummy cat?

Also cat calling the 3 votes on him as a counterwagon to ND is rich considering I voted her LONG BEFORE ANY ND WAGON and Blair replaced in and came with a fresh scumread. Glitch's vote is the only thing that could fit under that description and his reasoning was fine IMO.

i don’t think this comes from scum popo. Why would he get in the way of an easy wagon?

[osuka]

You seem to have a very shallow understanding or how scum plays the game

No. Truth actually raises a pretty good point against you.

I’ll wait for him to answer the question but you can answer them if you agree with that dumpster fire or a post

[osuka]

There’s also a lot of meta reads on me, so I’ll point out the fact that people have repeatedly failed to read me, meta or otherwise

You are doing a whole lot of defending yourself and very little actual Scum hunting. When exactly do you plan on changing your behavior from Anti-Town to Pro-Town?

Well right now I sorta have to defend myself because I know for a fact I am a mislynch, even if you don’t. How exactly is that anti town?

[osuka]

There’s also a lot of meta reads on me, so I’ll point out the fact that people have repeatedly failed to read me, meta or otherwise

You are doing a whole lot of defending yourself and very little actual Scum hunting. When exactly do you plan on changing your behavior from Anti-Town to Pro-Town?

Well right now I sorta have to defend myself because I know for a fact I am a mislynch, even if you don’t. How exactly is that anti town?

That's not how you defend yourself. You defend yourself by making someone else look more Scummy than yourself. But since you have decided to low effort this game, I guess that is not an option for you atm??? Either that or you are Scum and the wagons are on your buddies currently? Either way it doesn't look good for you.

This is a bad post, but regardless of that: why would I try to make people look scummier than me if they, yourself included, evidently need no help in that department?

[osuka]

Feel free to answer the questions I asked by the way

[osuka]

how the fuck is mafia supposed to know you're mason? mafia has no setup knowledge other than their own roles

you seem to gravely misunderstand some very core concepts of this game

If he is in fact a mason, it's pretty natural to assume that mafia would know he's town and therefore likely not lying about being a

mason

of all things

I still like the Osuka vote, none of his latest bursts of post felt all that town and this one was really bad shade-for-sake-of-shade

Do you think osuka could be making sure I'm actually a mason and not lying in that post? Like he's mafia and wants to kill me if I'm a mason but wants to keep questioning me just to make sure. I think this another reason to think he is mafia.

This is such a dense post that it hurts

I think hypotheticals are a little too much for you to handle right now, so for the first part of the post assume I’m town and for the second, assume I’m scum.

Let’s start with town. How am I lying in that post? What am I trying to accomplish? Why am I doing any of what I’m doing in that post?

Now, assume I’m scum. How am I not lying in that post? If I wanted to kill you, why wouldn’t I just do it since you keep claiming mason anyway? If I

did

want to make sure you’re mason, how is that post supposed to accomplish that? Why would I “keep questioning to make sure” when I know for a fact that that line of questioning has diminishing returns (i.e., we’re all as sure as we’re gonna be about your claim, however sure that is, until someone else claims mason or we get a revealing flip, neither of which is going to happen d1) and I’d only be exposing myself for no reason?

You seem to have a very shallow understanding or how scum plays the game

You said it yourself. You said mafia don't know I'm mason which would mean you're thinking about how mafia might think I'm a lying neighbour or something. It sounds to me that you are that mafia that thinks I might be lying which is why you continue to push and question me. If you think there's no point right now then why do you keep falling back to me?

Nice misrep

I’m not pushing you because of your claim and I’m not role fishing. I’m pushing you because I think you’re scum.

If mafia thinks you might be a lying neighbor, how the fuck is any townie outside of your claimed circle know?

[osuka]

It would make sense to me if there was 2 mafia from po going down, and 1 in the top 6.

So osuka and po and Looker for example. I think mafia usually say less and don't put themselves in the limelight but usually they need a leader. If I'm wrong, it could instead be Nauci and Glitch and mavsfan for example.

In reply to osuka: But in that one post, you were specifically asking about my role again, and you did that earlier too.

Are you seriously using post counts as a read? That’s a little sad

You also haven’t answered any of the questions I asked. I wasn’t asking about your role, I was asking about how could mafia know your role. You’re either misrepping or you seriously need to improve your reading comprehension

[osuka]

There’s also a lot of meta reads on me, so I’ll point out the fact that people have repeatedly failed to read me, meta or otherwise

You are doing a whole lot of defending yourself and very little actual Scum hunting. When exactly do you plan on changing your behavior from Anti-Town to Pro-Town?

Well right now I sorta have to defend myself because I know for a fact I am a mislynch, even if you don’t. How exactly is that anti town?

That's not how you defend yourself. You defend yourself by making someone else look more Scummy than yourself. But since you have decided to low effort this game, I guess that is not an option for you atm??? Either that or you are Scum and the wagons are on your buddies currently? Either way it doesn't look good for you.

This is a bad post, but regardless of that: why would I try to make people look scummier than me if they, yourself included, evidently need no help in that department?

How about you go and read a few articles on the wiki and get back to me, because you clearly do not know how this game works.

Not many people can successfully defend themselves unless they are pretty sharp in the logic department.

At the risk of sounding pretty cocky, I consider myself to be pretty sharp in the logic department (even if only by contrast)

You might wanna look at https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=72479

[osuka]

Actually I lied

The game I was thinking of was https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=73011

[osuka]

Actually I lied

The game I was thinking of was https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=73011

Better logic than me: denied.

Because you’re clearly the benchmark for logic in this website

[osuka]

You could also be town, but that leaves the question of why a townie would park his vote on one player then immediately switch gears and zero in on someone else.

like to answer this as succinctly as possible - because I still felt I was gaining new information/content from my back and forth with NDMath, whereas with osuka I didn't feel a need to be talking with him or selling a lynch there to other townies.

anyway I'm off work so I'm gonna go back and remember which posts I wanted to jam with before my afternoon pop in

lol this is disgusting

Can you explain how that first paragraph doesn’t make you scum? I’ll give you a chance to convince me

[osuka]

Osuka is getting sucked into the same slap fights I would have probably been sucked into myself if I had subbed in earlier. The optics for these are pretty terrible all around, and I would expect scum to be self conscious enough to know that and take the high ground for town points instead.

also on this, I feel osuka has been picking slap fights with easy targets (Truth) and gets far more quiet/meek whenever a more aggro/experienced player like Nauci or myself calls him out.

I did call nauci out quite a few times and just didn’t feel very strongly like I had to call you out

[osuka]

Osuka why are you not voting?

VOTE: csf

happy?

[osuka]

Why is osuka siding so hard with Blair here and then voting for CSF when CSF isn't Scummy?

CSF is scummy though

[osuka]

Nothing happened to consolidating wagons. I decided GuiltyLion deserved go be a contender in that race.

GL is Town. Why expand the lynch pool? Why do you think osuka should be in the lynch pool when you think he is Town?

I don't want osuka in the lynch pool genius. I told Nauci he was because he was the top wagon at the time so obviously he is in the lynch pool right now. I never said I *wanted* him there. You're smarter than this. I hope.

Why is osuka Town?

Why am I not?

[osuka]

If you feel like Quick started typing that after I said I was done talking to him until something relevant came up and he just started slamming his forehead into his keyboard until 1276 came out, please consider voting for GuiltyLion.

You explicitly said to consolidate the wagons to Cat, ND, and osuka and then you about face to voting GL. Where is the progression here? You knew I was building a case against you which is why you decided to change to GL.

dude what

90% of your case is the change in vote

[osuka]

Nothing happened to consolidating wagons. I decided GuiltyLion deserved go be a contender in that race.

GL is Town. Why expand the lynch pool? Why do you think osuka should be in the lynch pool when you think he is Town?

I don't want osuka in the lynch pool genius. I told Nauci he was because he was the top wagon at the time so obviously he is in the lynch pool right now. I never said I *wanted* him there. You're smarter than this. I hope.

Why is osuka Town?

Why am I not?

Scummy reply. Fact of the matter is that it's your job to make yourself look town, not shift the blame on to people that vote you because they don't see any town motivation behind your posts.

Not answering the question is scummier. What’s scummy in getting information out of the people pushing your slot? How can you know the wagon motives if you don’t know the reasoning?

[osuka]

Those of you who are scum, good job getting my wagon to this point

Those of you who are town, please get in your head that you evidently can’t read me

[osuka]

Those of you who are scum, good job getting my wagon to this point

Those of you who are town, please get in your head that you evidently can’t read me

Your content sucks. Are you even trying at this point?

Not really

[osuka]

Quick, why do you prefer lynching me over your other scum reads?

[osuka]

I’m already getting lynched if I’ll be honest, like who are we kidding

The townies are delusional and the scum are playing well

[osuka]

Should we hammer osuka now? I would like to get to the next day.

Reminder for doctors to protect me please!

do you see this shit? this is a scumpost

there is a wagon most people are happy with on L-1 and there are days until deadline AND there is a very active discussion happening around said wagon. If this is not a very deliberate attempt at ending discussion early, i don't know what is

[osuka]

The only noteworthy read of Osuka right now is CSF!Scum. And he's basically done nothing to convince us of it other than say "he be playing scummy". And saying scum is on his wagon. (no indication of who though)

i honestly don't know for sure who exactly is scum on the wagon, but i can tell you for a fact that it either started with scum motivation, or was put into overdrive by scum. As previously pointed out by someone other than me, wagons rarely pick up this quickly and sustain themselves for this long without some scum motivation

[osuka]

More points towards Osuka!scum: His main scumread right now is the main counterwagon on him, which seems opportunistic considering his lack of substance in outlining his scumreads. And his vibe right now feels very much like caught scum that's just giving up.

Could be.

Could also be town who's given up. That would fit pretty well with the whole "I'm surrounded by idiots" mood. (Which could also be an act, of course)

well you're entirely correct that I am at least

somewhat

surrounded by idiots

[osuka]

Which post of yours, specifically, do you believe would have caused scum!osuka to give up?

No. I'm saying his stance on me doesn't seem like he actually SRs me. He MIGHT be doing this for personal reasons. I won't rule that out. But I just don't think he thinks I am Scum here. I think he might have gotten upset that I said he wasn't doing anything and took it out on me if he's Town here, but ultimately, he just doesn't actually BELIEVE that I am Scum. That's what I have a problem with.

please let me know whenever youre done reading my fucking mind

Personally, I don't think he is deranged enough to self harm himself because I generally see him more as a sadist than a masochist, which leans me in the direction that he is Scum.

this is the first accurate statement youve made about me in this thread so far

im laughing so hard at this that i actually started coughing

how can you be so far disconnected from reality?

[osuka]

how the fuck is mafia supposed to know you're mason? mafia has no setup knowledge other than their own roles

you seem to gravely misunderstand some very core concepts of this game

If he is in fact a mason, it's pretty natural to assume that mafia would know he's town and therefore likely not lying about being a

mason

of all things

I still like the Osuka vote, none of his latest bursts of post felt all that town and this one was really bad shade-for-sake-of-shade

Do you think osuka could be making sure I'm actually a mason and not lying in that post? Like he's mafia and wants to kill me if I'm a mason but wants to keep questioning me just to make sure. I think this another reason to think he is mafia.

This is such a dense post that it hurts

I think hypotheticals are a little too much for you to handle right now, so for the first part of the post assume I’m town and for the second, assume I’m scum.

Let’s start with town. How am I lying in that post? What am I trying to accomplish? Why am I doing any of what I’m doing in that post?

Now, assume I’m scum. How am I not lying in that post? If I wanted to kill you, why wouldn’t I just do it since you keep claiming mason anyway? If I

did

want to make sure you’re mason, how is that post supposed to accomplish that? Why would I “keep questioning to make sure” when I know for a fact that that line of questioning has diminishing returns (i.e., we’re all as sure as we’re gonna be about your claim, however sure that is, until someone else claims mason or we get a revealing flip, neither of which is going to happen d1) and I’d only be exposing myself for no reason?

You seem to have a very shallow understanding or how scum plays the game

This is the first effort post osuka puts in after the point I called him out based on my psychoanalysis read and this is actually a pretty good point. He's also said other things that I think lean in the direction I think he's Town since doing a bit of an ISO so I'm going back to Blair, but I could go to Truth as an alternative since I am really starting to doubt the validity of a miller mason, which Blair doesn't actually make any comments on.

VOTE: Blair

wait, what?

why is blair your new vote? I'm puzzled

[osuka]

also I am ONE HUNDRED MILLION PERCENT in favor of a truth flashtrain

[osuka]

someone let me know if i should claim. i don't typically do it without intent declared but i

can

do it

[osuka]

maybe that's the case, but i really struggle to see how many of these posts can come with someone with a remotely towny mindset

[osuka]

because that slot is either scum, which i'm hoping for, or is putting on the absolute saddest, most mind-boggingly pathetic display of a tragic attempt at playing this game i have ever seen

[osuka]

his avatar also makes me irrationally angry

[osuka]

maybe i've just associated his posts with the avatar and been conditioned to become angry whenever i see that gif

[osuka]

Why is osuka siding so hard with Blair here and then voting for CSF when CSF isn't Scummy?

CSF is scummy though

write a spicy narrative for why you think i'm scum

I'd like to see these answered[/quote]
everything until 221 is shallow but im willing to forgive that since the beginning of the game can be slow
221 you have a tr-ish on me
227 you sound suspicious of truth
231 iioa
276 you think me vs quick is tvt
499 tr on glitch
537 is bad justification for a vote that feels is just meant to put more momentum behind a wagon
562 you still mention me vs quick as tvt
1054 you say that your read on nauci actually flipped
1147 you vote me

you literally never engaged my slot directly and the only mentions of anything resembling a read on me implied or meant I was town in your opinion. this strikes me as very opportunistic for a few reasons:
1. glitch made a big case on you in 1090 and put you at 3 votes (second most at the time)
2. you never expressed a scumread on me
3. GL had voteparked me, so you wouldn't be The Only Vote™ on me

of particular note is the fact that norwi voted me not a minute after that,

and

he was previously on your wagon (distancing?)

is that spicy enough for you?

[osuka]

unfortunately I can't really tell you why you should townread me other than the fact that i'm town and i've been playing wincon, so i can tell you for a fact that everything i've done this game was from a town mindset. i can't read myself _and_ i got a role PM that tells me my alignment so I'm doubly biased, that's a fucking loaded question

[osuka]

hahah this is funny

look at how two people pointed out the exact same thing independently of each other

it's almost as if we should VOTE: csf

[osuka]

Also, popp and Blair are Scummy as shit and I might actually vote Cat at this point given no wagon develops on popo, Blair, or Truth.

again I'm 100% down for lynching truth

[osuka]

does two people count as a wagon

[osuka]

So it's not a hard-and-fast rule that ending the day early is pro-town

additionally i would say that ending the day early is almost universally pro-scum by virtue of stifling discussion

[osuka]

Why is osuka siding so hard with Blair here and then voting for CSF when CSF isn't Scummy?

CSF is scummy though

write a spicy narrative for why you think i'm scum

I'd like to see these answered

everything until 221 is shallow but im willing to forgive that since the beginning of the game can be slow
221 you have a tr-ish on me
227 you sound suspicious of truth
231 iioa
276 you think me vs quick is tvt
499 tr on glitch
537 is bad justification for a vote that feels is just meant to put more momentum behind a wagon
562 you still mention me vs quick as tvt
1054 you say that your read on nauci actually flipped
1147 you vote me

you literally never engaged my slot directly and the only mentions of anything resembling a read on me implied or meant I was town in your opinion. this strikes me as very opportunistic for a few reasons:
1. glitch made a big case on you in 1090 and put you at 3 votes (second most at the time)
2. you never expressed a scumread on me
3. GL had voteparked me, so you wouldn't be The Only Vote™ on me

Why is my progression

scummy

If I think Nauci started townposting and made a good case on you while I was gone, there's no reason for me to

not

shift my opinion of you. I was away from the thread for a few days - at what point do you expect me to have engaged you? I would like you to point this out.

I don't think I need a reason to engage you before voting you. I can always engage you after voting for you. After all, here I am, still talking to you.

i never said i think your progression is scummy. I said that there was zero progression to begin with, genius

the fact that you didnt engage my slot for 500 posts means that either your read on me is fabricated, or you had a scumread on me that you literally never thought to discuss with town. I find the second one much more difficult to believe

[osuka]

I don't think I need a reason to engage you before voting you

this in particular is just really, really sad

[osuka]

I think I'm town

OMEGALUL

[osuka]

I still think we should lynch osuka. However, I realised earlier that part of my reason for wanting to believe he's mafia may be because I'd be a little upset he was town. I think he's unnecessarily harsh most of the time

I’m harsh but never unnecessarily so

If I’m being harsh with you then think about all the reasons you’re giving me for that and maybe don’t do so much dumb shit next time

[osuka]

im ok with an osuka or cat scratch lynch

VOTE: csf

[osuka]

im ok with an osuka or cat scratch lynch

VOTE: csf

Voting twice to make your counterwagon look more valid?

maybe
VOTE: csv

[osuka]

i never said i think your progression is scummy. I said that there was zero progression to begin with, genius

the fact that you didnt engage my slot for 500 posts means that either your read on me is fabricated, or you had a scumread on me that you literally never thought to discuss with town. I find the second one much more difficult to believe

I barely posted for like >300 posts, so this is very not the argument you think it is.

*I barely posted for like >300 posts in that very interval you are talking about

Why are you ignoring this?

Your scumcase on me is basically debunked by the fact that I was away from the thread for a few days

This is false and a blatant misrep

[osuka]

Yeah I just saw it

Unfortunately I’m vt, which means I’m gonna die. But take a good look at csf because I’m convinced that slot is scum, that shit doesn’t come from town

[osuka]

Typically I would say hit me with post hammer questions to get 100% unfiltered answers but I’ve been running without a filter for a bit in this game. I can’t think of anything that I’ve held back

But still feel free to hit me with post hammer questions and I’ll do my best to answer them

[osuka]

do we really wanna pretend that not posting for a few days is an excuse to fabricate a read?

[osuka]

I want to know why you're

so convinced

that I'm fabricating this, if this is a real thought from you or if this is something you're just saying to sway the lynch

i dont recall having lied, omitted, or otherwise manipulated information this game. Didn't feel like i had to

your read went from town to "let's lynch this", all while expressing no thoughts of your own, somewhat quickly, and without a single pivotal event. that's just really weird and i doubt that comes from town because if you really were townie, you'd at the very least voice your concerns or try to engage

someone

about them (which you did not)

[osuka]

i dont recall having lied, omitted, or otherwise manipulated information this game. Didn't feel like i had to

[osuka]

and

Typically I would say hit me with post hammer questions to get 100% unfiltered answers but I’ve been running without a filter for a bit in this game. I can’t think of anything that I’ve held back

But still feel free to hit me with post hammer questions and I’ll do my best to answer them

[osuka]

you're among them

[osuka]

i honestly cannot wrap my head around truth being townie. some of his decisions are extremely questionable

[osuka]

glitch and i obviously didnt coordinate the posts so they were likely genuine thoughts on both sides. i doubt he couldve typed + formatted all of that as quickly as he had to if he'd read my post beforehand

[osuka]

csf is either scum or a village idiot with a capital I

[osuka]

i dont think norwi is scum, i think he's just missing quite a few screws

[osuka]

math is nullscum

[osuka]

gl is nullscum

[osuka]

i'm ambivalent about blair. on one hand, she is very reasonable and makes good points.

the wifom is that she seemed pretty confident i was town (which i am), so that could mean she's mafia. but then, if she were, why would she expose herself like that? she gets no towncred, because even if she tries to play the "i defended osuka" card, someone points out what i'm typing right now and it all goes out the window

[osuka]

in all honesty though, i dont think scum does what she did most of the time because it's more likely than not to backfire. i wouldn't have considered her for a lynch d1

[osuka]

Who is your biggest Scumspect?

you're among them

though on second thought i dont know if quick engages me post-hammer to ask questions like these. maybe not? who knows

[osuka]

i'm ambivalent about blair. on one hand, she is very reasonable and makes good points.

the wifom is that she seemed pretty confident i was town (which i am), so that could mean she's mafia. but then, if she were, why would she expose herself like that? she gets no towncred, because even if she tries to play the "i defended osuka" card, someone points out what i'm typing right now and it all goes out the window

You don't think she can make "reasonable points" as Scum?

i do but she really didn't need to. I was definitely gonna get lynched if she hadn't tried to stop it (she tried and i still did), _and_ most importantly it doesn't give her any tangible advantage in terms of a game state come d2 (assuming she's scum)

she _could_ be doing that hoping that someone would have this exact conversation we're having, but i don't think it's worth the risk. i wouldn't take it

[osuka]

Who is your biggest Scumspect?

you're among them

though on second thought i dont know if quick engages me post-hammer to ask questions like these. maybe not? who knows

Well, you've never seen my Scum game, so...

i have it in good faith that i'm seeing it right now

[osuka]

Who is your biggest Scumspect?

you're among them

though on second thought i dont know if quick engages me post-hammer to ask questions like these. maybe not? who knows

Well, you've never seen my Scum game, so...

i have it in good faith that i'm seeing it right now

Nope. Not Scum this game.

ah then this solves it

sorry i suspected you

[osuka]

Who is your biggest Scumspect?

you're among them

though on second thought i dont know if quick engages me post-hammer to ask questions like these. maybe not? who knows

Well, you've never seen my Scum game, so...

i have it in good faith that i'm seeing it right now

Nope. Not Scum this game.

ah then this solves it

sorry i suspected you

Pretty sure that's the first time I've seen you apologize all game. Are you being cheeky or what?

what the fuck do you think

[osuka]

do you seriously think that there is an universe where someone sways me by saying "nope, not scum"

[osuka]

Who is your biggest Scumspect?

you're among them

though on second thought i dont know if quick engages me post-hammer to ask questions like these. maybe not? who knows

Well, you've never seen my Scum game, so...

i have it in good faith that i'm seeing it right now

Nope. Not Scum this game.

ah then this solves it

sorry i suspected you

Pretty sure that's the first time I've seen you apologize all game. Are you being cheeky or what?

what the fuck do you think

IDK. You're dead so there's no reason to tell you I'm Town?

??????????????????????

[osuka]

as i said, unfiltered. i just find myself regularly coming to the conclusion that people around me are fucking stupid, even if that's not necessarily true all of the time

i also havent lied all game, so yeah i'm gonna flip vt. don't hold your breath

[osuka]

The repetition of "I haven't lied all game" makes it sound like you're scum who doesn't understand why they were hung.
Grant to that is posthammer day 1 a hammered scum would have no reason to keep sharing reads.


Lol the osuka/quick interaction.

Lying is an integral part of playing scum

Literally just wait for the flip and I think then you can be reasonably sure I haven’t been making shit up

[osuka]

Also if I were scum, the wagon wouldn’t have gone the way it did, to be clear. I understand why I was lynched and implying otherwise is just really misleading

I think math was a good lynch candidate today

[osuka]

I understand why I was lynched and implying otherwise is just really misleading

It is how I would normally interpret such a behavior/claim, because it read genuine but didn't make full sense to come from town for me.
I understand that you have to be town at this point.

This is a scumpost of a particularly stupid variety

[osuka]

Glitch played an excellent game

[osuka]

@truth please don’t take any of what I said personally, I have nothing against you. You’re just super clueless I guess

Only one way to learn though. Keep playing the game and you’ll fit in with the rest of us idiots just fine