Mini Normal 2149 | Philosophers | Over

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

hi nEE!

Early scumread on your slot already. I always vote my best buds when i’m scum to "fit in". You’re clearly trying to mask your deep affections for you with this deceivery and i shall not stand for it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

For me* obviously.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I am a Miller Mason.

Pleased to meet you. I’m going to just immediately assume you are town. After all, your name is truth. So it seems legit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Popopo. You will be my voting slave this game as payback for me having saved your ass in Large 227. Deal? Good.
Future instructions will be given at a later opportunity.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Quick. This is vital for my read on your slot. Do you have trouble detecting sarcasm and jokeey posts with serious ones?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Quick. This is vital for my read on your slot. Do you have trouble detecting sarcasm and jokeey posts with serious ones?

If you were being sarcastic, then it's NAI for you.

What are you basing this knowledge on?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Quick. This is vital for my read on your slot. Do you have trouble detecting sarcasm and jokeey posts with serious ones?

If you were being sarcastic, then it's NAI for you.

What are you basing this knowledge on?

You as a person.

But you have only seen my scum games up to now correct? How would you know sarcasm is NAI for me in that case?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I do not understand LicketyQuickety's reason to townread GuiltyLion based on him voting for Norwegianboy. Norwegainboy was yet to post.

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

I would like you to elaborate on your reasons.

I already stated my reasons. I said I have seen Norwegian as Scum twice. They are an easy read for me when they are Scum. I assume something similar with GL. It's a rough estimate, sure, but the game just started and I did say it was a light Town read.

...what? Truth was asking why you’d townread someone for voting a slot that had not yet posted anything.

[NorwegianboyEE]

using the proper tags of course

Tbh, i’m on your side here. When fast scrolling through pages using mobile it’s much less likely i’ll miss votes using the official vote tag.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i'm starting to have serious doubts that you're mason

Man i’m loving the vibes i’m getting from this game already.
This should be entertaining.
As for Truth’s claim i don’t usually see scum planning to make a miller mason claim within very short time of game start, so unless this is some next level WIFOM play by scum i’m inclined to believe the slot for now. Even if i think some of their posts have been a bit awkward.

[NorwegianboyEE]

As for Truth’s claim i don’t usually...

This is not just a "usually" type of player. Their gimmick is that they tell the truth. They are betting on people buying they are telling the truth for as long as they can get away with it.

Ok...? I’m a bit unsure if you’re being serious or not with this argument.

[NorwegianboyEE]

norwe who am i voting here

Orders will come in time. At first solving is vital. Keep your trigger finger on Quick just in case though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Quick, if you are town i implore you to abandon this push. It’s quite a reach to assume someone is scum for claiming miller mason, and then suggesting they will only tell the truth when they’ve already stated their name has no bearing on behaviour.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh, you are trying to dialog with a SR. That's interesting. "shoot first ask questions later"?

Having a dialogue with your scumread is natural and has many benefits to town. Don’t like how you’re trying to portray it negatively here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You can argue i’m white knighting Quick, but i’m simply not keen on lynching a mason claim on day 1. And that’s final. Either mafia will kill a mason and confirm their existence or they will eventually need to claim.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s been 8 hours and you’re voting GL based on inactivity?

[NorwegianboyEE]

More than 2 masons in a mini setup sounds implausible. A hood would be more likely for that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

lean town on Nauci

You're just biased towards their avatar aren't you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've played in other non-specific forums but not on mafiascum. It's my first game here. Isn't it better EV to NL with no info?

Oh hey, it's standard noob question #1.
No, it's not better to no lynch in basically every single circumstance except for some very few unlikely situations.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Based on initial impressions i do not feel any want of lynching either one of Quick/Truth today. Would like to put some pressure on the cats right now.
VOTE: Nauci
@Popopo, If you'd be so kind.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm 90% sure Truth's claim will resolve by itself at some point later in the game. But assuming nothing proves their claim for like 2/3 day cycles we should probably take a serious look at whether or not it's a scum gambit. But today i'm confident believing there myself too. I don't think Quick is necessarily scum for his push, but it is quite mindbogglingly stupid to push so hard for a lynch on someone that will most likely be mechanically cleared further down the line.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why should a doctor waste his protect on you when you’re not verified town and don’t even have a power other than being miller? Why would scum even consider shooting you based on that?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Your claim means literally nothing

It does mean something though. If a mason flips at any point it will prove that Truth is most likely telling the truth.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Please no. Stop arguing for no lynch.
I can’t take having to explain why it’s a dumb idea.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I am okay with not lynching today. Going to even numbers alive on a day is bad, but if a doctor protects me we would actually be back on odd numbers. And not lynching on the first day is better than later on because of the proportion of mafia and town.

VOTE: no lynch

I’m so confused about this. I don’t want to sit on my ass and watch PR’s solve the game. I want to play some fucking mafia.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you are no lynching you are basically throwing the game and wasting your slot and town’s chance to win. (Assuming you are town.)

[NorwegianboyEE]

I agree it’s silly we need tp hand hold the noobs and tell them that yes indeed, no lynch is fucking stupid. But i don’t think scum would say things like this so light TR on those slots... maybe.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My disappointment with half this playerlist is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.

[NorwegianboyEE]

GuiltyLion, can you please come in and obvtown it up soon. Your RVS entrance coupled with disappearing hasn’t exactly filled me to the brin with confidence regarding your slot.

[NorwegianboyEE]

we just played in a game with a 3 town hood

Yeah but that was an rare exception.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Truth is actually an neighbor and lied about being mason then i would get really suspicious of them just saying.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Since we will likely go to even numbers at some point this game due to a doctor saving me or my buddies,

We don’t even know this game has a doctor. Or investigative for that matter. Stop being so backwards and learn to play mafia. You signed up to a normal, not a newbie game. Shit’s serious here. We vote scumfucks out of the game and depend on analyzis. PR’s are just tools that sometimes help and sometimes fuck town over. We are not going to depend on them today. Is that understood? Now tell me your reads and vote a scummy player or i will policy lynch both you and your no lynching friend for screwing this game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Now i’m gonna sound like a noob, but what’s OTT?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norway feels really awkward and stiff and I don't think he's actually advanced the game meaningfully, I'm keeping my vote where it is

Fucking lmao.
VOTE: GuiltyLion
He’s scum guys.

[NorwegianboyEE]

GuiltyLion, can you please come in and obvtown it up soon. Your RVS entrance coupled with disappearing hasn’t exactly filled me to the brin with confidence regarding your slot.

weren't you just chastising Quick not 4 hours ago for pushing me for weak 'activity' reasons?

This is like classic scum meta of GL. He’s literally unable to play well as scum, so he starts his reappearance with the most lame shade i have ever seen on my slot.

[NorwegianboyEE]

GuiltyLion starts game off with RVS vote and then keeps it up and justifies it with weak shit to avoid actually having to pretend solving. Ez scum in the bag.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh i'm working on it fella.

[NorwegianboyEE]

First two lines feel like scum tryna just like... comment on the game, and then I don't like the way he hedges throughout - "inclined to believe" feels like awkward scum-writing-about-their-fake-thoughts rather than just actually having them.

Aw yeah boy, this gonna get good.

Spoiler:

What's wrong GuiltyLion? This point is really bad, i mean it's BAD. Like, are you even considering how fake and in-genuine your argument here is? You are saying that me commenting about the game is scummy? It's not. Basically your entire case is spamming and misconstruction my way of speaking as if it is somehow indicative of scumminess without explaining why it is so. Repeatedly stating something is scummy as if that will make it come true isn't valid. What is my scum mindset here? You don't explain it at all.
Since i highly doubt town!you does this ever. It's safe to say you've shot up into my top scumread at this point.

"I implore you to abandon this push"? Norway I don't remember you ever speaking so awkwardly formally like this in our games together?

Asinine point. You should know from literally playing with me as scum that me apparently "speaking formally" has absolutely no bearing on my alignment.

Having a dialogue with your scumread is natural and has many benefits to town. Don’t like how you’re trying to portray it negatively here.

Shade but no vote or further pressure. It's not clear to me what Norway's read on Quick really is - he constantly talks to him as if he townreads him but then what's the point of a post like this?

It wasn't a shade. I was just stating i didn't like his stance there. You failing to understand my mindset or deliberately misconstructing it like this is not a good argument and something you just exaggerated to prop up your shitpush.

Please no. Stop arguing for no lynch.
I can’t take having to explain why it’s a dumb idea.

This vibes to me like a mafia response to someone advocating for No Lynch - contrast how others helpfully at least gave some reasoning for why no lynch is bad, this is just LAMIST.

only later he decides to jump in:

If you are no lynching you are basically throwing the game and wasting your slot and town’s chance to win. (Assuming you are town.)

I can't take this shit dude. Me stating i'm too tired to fucking explain to a noob why no lynching is stupid is not LAMIST, it's just lazy. If i were to construct a huge post explaining in detail why no lynching is bad and tell people to TR me for it, it would be LAMIST. Don't know wtf you're going for here but it's silly.

I already called this out but this progression is bad, these posts were FOUR HOURS apart:

It’s been 8 hours and you’re voting GL based on inactivity?

GuiltyLion, can you please come in and obvtown it up soon. Your RVS entrance coupled with disappearing hasn’t exactly filled me to the brin with confidence

regarding your slot.

So i'm telling you to come in and "obvtown it up". How is that progression bad? I tell Quick it's too fast to vote you based on inactivity, and then i express and desire for you to show up in the game and towntell. Once again, either a blatant misrepresentation from you. Or your scum hunting skills are getting about as on point as a rusty butter knife.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're going to regret making that "he's unable to play well as scum" comment, I assure you. Because I am going to dedicate a lot of time and effort to this game, and adhere to my 'obvtown' meta

You're not. Because i'm going to lynch you way before that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Popopo
Scum has been caught. Vote GuiltyLion with me or you will be scum claiming. K tnx.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Since i've currently hard locked GL as scum from his post 302. Might as well give some reads.
I think Quick and Osuka both are likely town, because of the annoying 1v1 seeming like they were both convinced A F about their read.
Truth most likely town based on their early claim and feeling newb!town.
Cat Scratch Fever gut feeling town.
Popopo null.
Looker scumlean.

Rest of players are still null.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I like GuiltyLion's case and may follow him for a while. Let's vote the person so he feels more pressure when he comes back and then has to respond while being a little self-conscious.

I don't feel pressure from a case on me that's as bad as GuiltyLion's.

[NorwegianboyEE]

GL's first post actually pinged me hard, but i held back on commenting it until i'd seen what he would be up to. Since i've clearly seen his bad intentions by now there's no point concealing it.
Making a "RVS" vote like that on a random familiar slot and then leaving without doing any solving is an archtypical scum entrance i've seen a couple times by this point. Especially on my home forum. I can't explain it well. But if GL flips scum i'm going to celebrate my ability to see right through shit like that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Candy Shop
Do you have any people you read as town or scum? Even just a tiny bit of info about your thoughts right now would be fine.

[NorwegianboyEE]

GL's first post actually pinged me hard, but i held back on commenting it until i'd seen what he would be up to. Since i've clearly seen his bad intentions by now there's no point concealing it.
Making a "RVS" vote like that on a random familiar slot and then leaving without doing any solving is an archtypical scum entrance i've seen a couple times by this point. Especially on my home forum. I can't explain it well. But if GL flips scum i'm going to celebrate my ability to see right through shit like that.

Take a look at post 16 for me crumbing that i would take this stance.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah okay I have Nauci and CSF as my strong townreads,

Weird slots to have a "strong" townread on.
Explain your reasoning please.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How is that scum hunting?

didn't you just say you've played with him? You really think the dude hasn't seen enough of your play to have an idea of the answer to that question?

^Another awful post to cast doubt on my slot because Quick isn't buying his BS.

[NorwegianboyEE]

yeah I think I could switch to Glitch too

You seemed so sure of your read on me, then you're casually suggesting you could switch to some easier mislynch.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I also don't think the interactions with Norway are likely to be S-S, but then again, m a y b e

Then again, M A Y B E you are S C U M !

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norway is trying reeeaaaaalll hard to act

super

confident that he caught me

Lol, that's the best response you got?
How about instead of pretending you're not scared. You answer my questions about what my supposed scum motivation for everything is.

[NorwegianboyEE]

for somebody who "doesn't feel pressure" you sure felt the need to ramp up your activity and argue with every point

Yeah, because i read you as scum and want you dead. And i'm defending myself from your silly case. I suppose if i were to ignore your huge chunk of nitpicking you would call that scummy as well?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You seemed so sure of your read on me, then you're casually suggesting you could switch to some easier mislynch.

here's what's worth responding to

is this a townread on Glitch? why?

No. It's expressing suspicion at your attempt to switch focus from me to Glitch when you've already cased me with a long post.

[NorwegianboyEE]

you haven't even done anything,

Lying.

I'm pointing out that you feel really awkward and fake in a way that does not jibe with my experience with you previously

Shade without justification.

[NorwegianboyEE]

but you said Glitch is a mislynch, which suggests you think he's town. Why do you think that?

Because i read you as scum and therefore i view all your interactions with extreme prejudice.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway i'm done with this. Until you bring up some actual points i feel are worth responding too, i will be ignoring you from now on and attempting to secure support for your lynch. No point dragging this on for 50 pages.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It has to be mentioned though, discrediting all my arguments by stating "scum bravado" is a cheap cop-out if i've ever seen one.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok you disproved 1 out of multiple points. Congratulations. Would you like a lynch as a reward?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I already answered the question if you’d pay any attention.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah okay I have Nauci and CSF as my strong townreads,

Weird slots to have a "strong" townread on.
Explain your reasoning please.

This question was ignored by GuiltyLying.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was assaulted, violated. By GuiltyLion’s bad case on me. But he won’t take responsibility for this child of suspicion labelled upon himself. Trying to discredit my case and make me look bad in every level.
Nauci is probably his scum partner because he is questioning my pact with Popopo.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My purity was taken by this very very bad and lying mean bean machine lion.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway, if anyone wants he backstory to our relationship. (Me/Popopo)
Read this game:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=83063

[NorwegianboyEE]

Again, take a look at my Large 227 game. I basically formed an alliance with Stan1ey early on. It's not scum indicative for me to do that kinda shit. And it would be pretty damn obvious if we were both scum don't ya think? I don't mind if anyone is suspicious about me pocketing or whatever, but i often find it to be a big advantage to town if i can put more pressure behind my words by getting people on my side. And it was fully up to Popopo whether he wanted to do as i said or not.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Again, take a look at my Large 227 game. I basically formed an alliance with Stan1ey early on. It's not scum indicative for me to do that kinda shit. And it would be pretty damn obvious if we were both scum don't ya think? I don't mind if anyone is suspicious about me pocketing or whatever, but i often find it to be a big advantage to town if i can put more pressure behind my words by getting people on my side. And it was fully up to Popopo whether he wanted to do as i said or not.

[NorwegianboyEE]

^Sorry double post.

Hol up

Didn't you shade him for not addressing your accusations point by point when he flat out called it bs?

Are you now shading him for then going and doing that?

Say what now

Can you now see how in-genuine he is being?

[NorwegianboyEE]

GuiltyLying also left without answering my question which i helpfully reminded him to do.
Scum claiming.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m neither town or scumreading Popopo right now if you’re curious.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Unlike Osuka and Quick, I find it fully plausible that these two could put on scum theatrics worthy of The Globe

Aw that’s sweet of you to say.
It’s not SvS though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I usually don’t put much effort into bussing. And GL definitely doesn’t himself.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Did i mention GuiltyLion's scumgame sucks compared to his towngame yet?

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's also bloody hilarious that he calls me out as "tunneling" when that's basically what he's been doing himself. Town!GL is usually much more subtle and takes a look at the whole game, he doesn't double down on a shitpush.

[NorwegianboyEE]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11537499
Take a look at GL's ISO here. Notice how he actually plays like town?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Glitch and Looker, remind me why you two are voting Quick?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is this sarcasm?

Everything i have ever posted is always 100% serious.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Now GL is trying to spin things in an entirely different direction, this is known as misdirection.

[NorwegianboyEE]

do you really see nothing suspicious at all with popopoppoppo this game, or how he casually hopped onto me?

I don't, because i think there have been plenty good reasons to vote you.

assume I'm town for a second, how does that look to you?

Well that should be obvious it will make me look bad. However, i think your play has been way scummier than him so far.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're not my psychiatrist, why are you telling me this: "you don't believe you've caught scum" BS and considering i: "might be town" at the same time? These are inherently incoherent thoughts that just prove all the more how you're not considering my slot from a town perspective.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're not convincing me. My vote stays on you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you don’t like the fact that your scumread then maybe you shouldn’t have played so bad and started the day off by pushing me for quite frankly, awful reasons.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nothing you stated in post 302 is scum indicative for me. Yet you played like those were good reasons to vote me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Would town/scum you react differently to my push on you here?

[NorwegianboyEE]

when I went to bed?

I saw you online after i had written that post however, that’s why i said it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And it’s not like i would know what your bed schedule is.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel if both of you are town you should be trying to suss each other out more than you have been

So let’s think this through then.
Let’s say Popopo is scum and is approached by a town player that asks them to vote whoever they do. Would they agree? Do you think it’s scum indicative to do so? Why?
Or do you think he should be more paranoid about me?
What exactly are your thoughts regarding this?

[NorwegianboyEE]

For that matter.
@Popopo
What is your read on me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well. Knowing your reads has it advantages too you know.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Town lean, tho I'm not sure how its relevant

Why do you townread me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't think GuiltyLion and NorwegianboyEE are mafia together. They are really trying to rip each other apart with their points. I like them both currently.

He was asking if you thought me and Popopo were scum together. Not me/GL.

[NorwegianboyEE]

NDMath

Please don't tell me you're a vigilante again.

[NorwegianboyEE]

what’s a hood?

Neighborhood.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Neighbor

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can we get a record for most feline themed profile pictures in a mafia game?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Mavsfan's catchup is townie.

[NorwegianboyEE]

To be fair, i'm not seeing much original thoughts from Popopo beyond him sheeping me, so if i weren't so focused on FOS'ing GuiltyLion i might have considered voting for pressure there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you don’t like the fact that your scumread then maybe you shouldn’t have played so bad and started the day off by pushing me for quite frankly, awful reasons.

Soo... IS the core of your case OGMUS?

No.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Should we quickly lynch popopopopopopopopo and go into night? I don't we'll get a better suspect than this and it may be good to go to the night without giving mafia any more information.

Lol.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I do not approve of a Popopo wagon. Back to GL please.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i owe norwe big, more than owe him im in debt to him. the reactions i am getting for this schtick also has been and will continue to be fruitful

Town as fuck.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I agree with Mavsfan that GL/Nauci interactions are odd. And i would probably consider taking a second look there assuming GL scumflip.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is nobody really gonna post right now

Not our faults you live in an assbackwards timezone.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sometimes trying to decipher Quicksotic posting feels like trying to read tea leaves

and my tea comes in unlabeled bags...

It's about the flow of the RL. It seems obvious/simple if you flip it upside down. I recall making a RL in my second game and everyone TR me for it even though I was Scum. Flipping it upside down shows the reads list isn't really anything surprising being said and ends in a kinda anticlimactic way, the opposite of if you read it the right side up way. Perspective matters. Writing a RL that flows well is something Scum tend to focus on.

I think ur crazy bruh. The good kind of crazy though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't even understand why you would say this, jokingly or not

Do not ever question me or my brilliant posts ever again.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Osuka, do you have any comments about GL? You haven’t said much about him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well first of all, i think it’s town to say he’s doing it for reactions. He also included a reads list afterwards which proves that point. Also i’m getting a distinct feel of his town meta from recent posts. As scum he would probably lurk hard and only pop in to say some irrelevant stuff or try to fake a different progression when he started being suspected/wagoned.

[NorwegianboyEE]

just that he chose to sheep you for whatever reason and then it so happened he got some reads out of it.

What makes you think that?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I also think he only did a readslist because I asked him for one.

I don’t think it’s scummy to post reads and stuff if you’re being wagoned. It’s natural as town to avoid being mislynched.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can I get you to reconsider that slot?

Only if i see a damn good case for why another player is scum and why GL cannot be scum with them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Inflated post counts only are good for towntelling if they have substance. I think a lot of GL’s posts have been shit, so the ratio between good vs meaningless posts from GL is still too high for me to reconsider based on your point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I agree more with a Nauci than Popopo wagon though, so i won’t be overtly opposing that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I haven't seen too many people actually TRing Nauci.

Of the top of my head. GL does. I asked him to explain but i don’t think he did. There were others but can’t be assed to check the whole thread for that right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

[NorwegianboyEE]

"Norway told me" isn't going to be a valid excuse.

Doing something because i said so is always an valid excuse.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But in a very short span she votes GL, unvotes him. Later she mentions GL in 493 but also is critical of Norwegian in 494 & 496. I’m not sure scum!Nauci unvotes GL and makes 494 & 496. This seems to me like town reconsidering between the two whereas scum would’ve parked the vote and called it a day.

But what IF bussing?

[NorwegianboyEE]

My question is how long will this shtick go on? "Norway told me" isn't going to be a valid excuse.

that is the question, it'll stop when i feel like it is the best answer i can give u

What does that mean?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I generally don't believe there's a case on me worthy of votes at this point, I've started playing and engaging with the game so the 'activity' tell is out and I've also already shown Norway's RVS reasoning doesn't hold up.

I thought your push on me was awful and fake. The RVS vote and activity points were minor footnotes in comparison to that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How many times have you played with popopopopopopopopop scum?

Once.

[NorwegianboyEE]

which of my posts have been shit?

298
The entirety of 312.
309 310.
You were TR Popopo in 304, then change your mind when he votes you. Basic OMGUS.
319
357, 359, 360, 368,
374, 376 and 377. Focusing on a minor point and acting as if this disproves the fact that your entire push was bad and based upon nitpicking shit like: "You sound more formal in this one single post" as a reason to scumread me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

312.

Meant 302

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok, that was a hot mess. But point is, i've hated about 30% of your posts.

[NorwegianboyEE]

also it's funny how the RVS thing is now a "minor point" when that was initially like a foundational cornerstone of why you thought I was scum, to the point that you were bragging about how you "crumbed" it.

No, i never claimed that. It was like a bonus point i brought up as an afterthought. But you treated it like if was the very foundation of my scumread on you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Basically, if you're town you fucked up by posting that piece of crap case on me GL. Because i have huge issues with un-tunneling someone that casually jumps on me when i've put in effort into the game and says shit like this:

"I implore you to abandon this push"? Norway I don't remember you ever speaking so awkwardly formally like this in our games together?

And questioning what "the point" of my posts were, etc...

[NorwegianboyEE]

Whatever dude. I don't care to refute your endless posts. I scum hunt and your case on me was scummy.
That's good enough for me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why didn't you vote me out the gate to begin with, if my RVS post pinged you so hard?

Are you for real with this?

[NorwegianboyEE]

it's trash play Norway and it makes it hard for me not to think that I was right and you feel the need to discredit everything I do in order to survive.

And why wouldn't i just switch gears to Popopo instead of keeping up a push on you if i was mafia here? You've clearly shown yourself to be willing to switch there. So if i was attempting to discredit your push like you said, all i would need to do is say "ah yes, you convinced me! Popopo is scum!" and your case on me would no longer had been of any relevance. So unless this scenario is exactly me/Popopo scum. Your theory about me "desperately attempting to discredit a case" is flawed beyond measure.

[NorwegianboyEE]

why didn't you vote me if that's the case?

Pinging means i keep an eye on someone to see if they do more suspicious shit. It doesn't mean i'm going to put all of my cards on the table immediately and vote/scum case/spit someone in the eye just because one of their RVS posts made me raise an eyebrow.
Yawn, boring.

[NorwegianboyEE]

and your case on me would no longer had been of any relevance.

This is especially obvious when we consider that you literally said "i do not belive Norwee/Popopo are scum teammates. Only one of them is scum" earlier.

[NorwegianboyEE]

-You could want to stick with me and see if a popopopopopopopopop mislynch could go through without you, in which case a) GL looks bad and b) you can then play the 'I told you so, GL is scum!!' card on D2

Nah, i would just nightkill you buddy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Your play by not switching to popopopopopopopop is entirely consistent with "minimize GL's voice and spread as much paranoia/doubt about him as possible", which I'm saying would be your agenda if you're scum and I caught you early.

Yes, but this is all ignoring the fact that i am not scum. Which you seem to not even be considering right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

GL seems to be coming up with more and more contrived reasons to keep up an scumread on me. While i've kept to my principles the whole way.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Does scum!you got for AtE here...

[NorwegianboyEE]

Did you want to lynch Popopo only today? Or did you state having other leads?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Townies: CSF, Nauci, Lickety, Candy Shop
don't feel like voting today but maybe a scum: Looker, osuka
has not played the game yet: rozyroz
self-resolving: Truth
could see myself voting today: mavsfan, glitch
one of these two is scum: Norway, popopopopoppopopoopp

Why the fuck are you townreading Candy Shop?

[NorwegianboyEE]

like how often do maf actually open with a push for NL

He wasn't the one that opened up with it thought. So he might have just looked at Truth's no lynch post and thought "ah, i better sheep this for the towncred"

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or was it he that did it?

[NorwegianboyEE]

It was him, never mind.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I expected more from NDMath.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Popopo, can you tell me your actual reads now? Our contract is rescinded.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean your read on me and GL right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

These last few pages have been quite intense. So here's a meme to liven up the mood.

Guiltylion's posting when he is scumread:

Spoiler:

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Popopo, can you tell me your actual reads now? Our contract is rescinded.

my reads i already put out

Yeah sorry, i meant to ask about your read on me and GL based on latest pages of content.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Does GuiltyLion scumread NorwegianboyEE or not?
If you suspect someone of being scum, would you trust their self-meta?
I don't know if "I'm going to try to drop the suspicion for now and try to solve for scums outside of you" is meant to mean "I think you're scum and I'm going to find your partners" or "I don't know what you are, but I'm going to ignore you for the rest of the day".
I also don't know how one person (Player A) scumreading another (Player B) could give them (Player A) a blindspot.

I'd like to see GL's answer to this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If NDmath doesn’t post anything good soon i wouldn’t mind voting there tbh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Glitch, i really wish you’d focus your attention elsewhere. Because Truth lynch isn’t happening today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This post shouldn't come from town and overall norwee is much townier in the norwee-lion interaction.

Can you express your position with a bit more words?

[NorwegianboyEE]

On the one hand, i’d like to entertain the thought of me/GL being TvT. But i also don’t see that many other major leads than him today. So i’d still really like to lynch there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Truth, what's your homesite?

It's linked to my university so I can't say, sorry.

Your new avatar is LAMIST.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hey buddy want to form a town block?

Umm, this early? Nah.

This was a very town reply.
Don't know how i feel about Nauci pushing for a townblock already.

[NorwegianboyEE]

GL you can join our town block if you'd like

And this makes me like 10x more paranoid about a GL/Nauci team.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Feeling stronger or weaker about his chances of flipping scum?

I took a step back to observe the game from a Town!GL perspective. But then it felt like nothing made sense anymore so now i scumread him again.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m pretty good at reading the atmosphere when i deeply immerse myself in a game. And right now i’m feeling a: "GuiltyLion has scum teammates and they are reluctant to buss him." Kind of atmosphere.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Spoiler:

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m pretty good at reading the atmosphere when i deeply immerse myself in a game. And right now i’m feeling a: "GuiltyLion has scum teammates and they are reluctant to buss him." Kind of atmosphere.

who would you say his scum buddies are other than nauci

Idk yet. Got some ideas for who it's less likely to be but nothing certain about third.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I actually give them a fair amount of towncred for the way they scumread me early because I was posting/efforting so much in the other Blitz game as it was ending and hadn't started doing my thing yet here. That made sense from a town mindset

But i did the exact same, yet you found him to be town but me scummy, hmmm...?

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's bizarre to me that you think the only possible explanation for this game state is that I'm scum.

If i assume you are town then i have too many townreads and not enough scumreads on the other players.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Go after people like Looker, glitch and Nauci.

I would probably vote Nauci based on those suggestions.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nauci's townblock thing was forced A F and didn't feel natural.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If GL!Town then Nauci was probably buddying GL. Either way i didn't like the way she was interacting with him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

CTRL + F in Nauci's ISO the word: "agree" and see how many times they've simply "agreed" to a post someone else made without adding to it. Feels kinda scummy to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fuck it then.

VOTE: Nauci

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nauci's townblock thing was forced A F and didn't feel natural.

i agree with this. it did feel very weird

as i said a lot of nauci's play this game feels very odd

I kinda don't see that. Nauci has also pointed out some very Pro-Town things.

Such as?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think some scum are getting townread too easily and Nauci could very well be one of them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

IDK why Scum would do that other than to look Town.

I think you're comically missing the point of what scum's job is.

[NorwegianboyEE]

IDK why Scum would do that other than to look Town.

I think you're comically missing the point of what scum's job is.

Which is NOT to look Town.

Not sure i agree... but ok, not a hill i'd want to die on.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well yeah. If all scum look like town because they are good at writing walls of text and faking genuine looking reactions then town will most likely lynch some town lurker or listen to advice from the scum about a player to lynch. (In which case, obviously they’d suggest lynching a town)

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’d like to see you put that "scum don’t need to look town" strategy into a nightless game and see how far you get.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No, but that’s not the point. I’m saying that scum can get lucky and roll mafia in a game filled with scummy looking town. But if they roll scum in a game with like half the playerlist being very competent and town looking players then you are bound to lose even if it’s not a nightless and you can’t blend into that group.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Assuming they follow your strategy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why did you insinuate i’m playing like a newb? Was there something faulty with my argument?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Let’s make it a bet. If Nauci is scum i win the argument. Because they are playing "like town" according to you. But i disagree there isn’t the possibility of scum playing like town to avoid getting lynched.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Let’s make it a bet. If Nauci is scum i win the argument. Because they are playing "like town" according to you. But i disagree there isn’t the possibility of scum playing like town to avoid getting lynched.

I don't bet.

Tch... Doesn’t want to be proven wrong i see.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We’re taking up the mantle of philosophizing about the ways of playing mafia just as the title of this game intended.

[NorwegianboyEE]

glitch attacks me for the slaving, after i had stopped, and he doesn't even acknowledge that the slaving had stopped by that point (just a little further up the page!). i'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt that he hadn't seen my vote on cat, but its a bad look.

What do you think the meaning behind it could be? That he’s just not paying attention or something else?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t think town!Norweigan jumps from SR’ing GuiltyLion as recently as 729 & 735 to picking the “safest” option of Quickety’s suggestions and then votes Nauci after osuka’s blessing in 761.

I've stated being suspicious of Nauci since way before Osuka's supposed "blessing".
Don't know why you find it scummy that i'd switch my vote either. A lot of people were screaming at me for not considering other possibilities than GL!scum. Now i did.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So my argument is that scum!Norweigan after pushing GuiltyLion on TWO separate occasions realized he wasn’t going to get a mislynch then rapidly picked some other target in Nauci off your post,

I townread Quick. Why is me listening to my townread and considering whether i might be wrong scummy?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Don't know why i'm getting shaded for Osuka agreeing with me anyway. Here's a news flash, i don't scumread Osuka. My go to scumreads with the assumption of GL!Town right now are Nauci and Glitch.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm also considering whether my TL on Mavsfan was made in error, but i don't think town!him wouldn't be unable to scumread me since he doesn't really know anything about my meta.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No, more like null ATM.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My townreads are Quick, Truth, Mavsfan, Po^7 mainly. Light TL on CSF too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Here’s the timeline I’m seeing -> votes GuiltyLion -> multi-page battle -> still thinks GuiltyLion is scum -> multi-page battle -> asked by me if you still think GuiltyLion is scum after the second multi-page battle where you say yes -> Quickety is like, nah, here’s a list of people to go after instead -> you pick one and have a few post why they’re scummy -> osuka is like sure, they seem scummy -> votes Nauci.

I might be hard headed at times. But i’m also a realist. Since there’s not enough support for lynching my main scumread it’s natural to switch somewhere else. Otherwise i’d be no better than Candy Shop. Just wasting away their slot by no lynching like a noob.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Here’s the timeline I’m seeing -> votes GuiltyLion -> multi-page battle -> still thinks GuiltyLion is scum -> multi-page battle -> asked by me if you still think GuiltyLion is scum after the second multi-page battle where you say yes -> Quickety is like, nah, here’s a list of people to go after instead -> you pick one and have a few post why they’re scummy -> osuka is like sure, they seem scummy -> votes Nauci.

I might be hard headed at times. But i’m also a realist. Since there’s not enough support for lynching my main scumread it’s natural to switch somewhere else. Otherwise i’d be no better than Candy Shop. Just wasting away their slot by no lynching like a noob.

If you didn't like the fact that i'm now voting Nauci that's fine. But don't give me that "Omg you changed your vote from your main scumread that's SOOO scummy!" bullshit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My new guess is that the talky people are town.
VOTE: NDMath
Still one of the worst slots.

[NorwegianboyEE]

popopopopopopo (2): Truth, Glitch
Nauci (2): Cat Scratch Fever, NorwegianboyEE
osuka (2): Nauci, GuiltyLion
GuiltyLion (1): Looker
LicketyQuickety (1): osuka
Cat Scratch Fever (1): popopopopopopo
Glitch (1): LicketyQuickety
NorwegianboyEE (1): mavsfan41
No Lynch (1): Candy Shop

Not Voting (1): NDMath

Let’s consolidate. This spread of votes is ridiculous. Nobod TR’s NDMath right?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think town!Norwegian votes Nauci before osuka’s post. That felt like he was worried he might appear scummy to vote Nauci but after osuka’s post, felt like he could much easily defend his vote or play it off if challenged on it.

I can see where you're coming from here but I kinda just think it's more that Norway's been embarrassed to directly confront and admit the slow but inevitable dawning realization that I am town

Don’t treat me like some Tsundere.

[NorwegianboyEE]

popopopopopopo (2): Truth, Glitch
Nauci (2): Cat Scratch Fever, NorwegianboyEE
osuka (2): Nauci, GuiltyLion
GuiltyLion (1): Looker
LicketyQuickety (1): osuka
Cat Scratch Fever (1): popopopopopopo
Glitch (1): LicketyQuickety
NorwegianboyEE (1): mavsfan41
No Lynch (1): Candy Shop

Not Voting (1): NDMath

Let’s consolidate. This spread of votes is ridiculous. Nobod TR’s NDMath right?

So instead of voting for anyone of the players with 2 votes already, you're going to start a whole new wagon for someone with no votes on them yet?

Yeh, what r you gonna do about it?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think you’re missing the point. NOBODY townreads NDMath. So why are we just pretending like that slot isn’t an issue? He needs votes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You just don’t understand how i play. I apply pressure wherever i see scum. And if i get paranoid enough i see them everywhere.
Also why are you calling it a vanity wagon? Every single wagon has up to 2 votes right now. Nothing seen so far has been a "real" wagon except for the pushes on GL and Popopo.

[NorwegianboyEE]

someone who you previous had no opinion on

This is also wrong. I expressed an opinion of disliking NDMaths slot since before i voted him. I think you even agreed to me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If NDmath doesn’t post anything good soon i wouldn’t mind voting there tbh.

Agreed.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think NDMath has been quite lacking compared to my previous town game with him though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

He was much more engaged in Large 227. Here he posts big walls and dissapears.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Quick is town, but that doesn’t mean he’s always right.

[NorwegianboyEE]

He was much more engaged in Large 227. Here he posts big walls and dissapears.

Was he tho? I remember he was completely off the radar until he claimed vig

You might have a point there, i checked his early game there and it was pretty bare bones until he claimed.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I guess what i’m trying to is... he felt a bit more engaged? ‘Involved’ if you will?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like, rather than questioning people to evolve his reads or trying to explore prople’s positions. He has taken the role of an observer "explaining" the game. And that change in behaviour always pongs me as sort of scummy. Especially since his play in Large 227 was subtly different.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@NDMath
Do you agree or disagree with my assessment on difference in play between this one vs Large 227?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I scumread candyshop because of his no hang argument and lack of things I see town motivation in.

Like Popopo said. This is pretty bad and reeks of scum motivation to scumread a slot just because they suggested no lynch. Candy Shop reads to me like a site flaking noob and i doubt scum!him would have the street smart to pretend he thought no lynch was a good idea to safely lurk. Rather it must have been town motivated because he genuinely used his head and thought it was a good thing to do for town. Ergo he’s not scummy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What are your thoughts on cat scratch fever.

Idk right now. Would like to see more activity from them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mavsfan, i suggest you join a substantial wagon such as NDMath. A lynch on me isn’t going to happen.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Looker is always weird.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If i was doctor i would never target you here Truth. Because i don’t think your reads are particurarily impressive, so even as confirmed town ur not worthy of protection vs someone like Quick or Mavsfan that look legit town and are trying to solve.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Norwegian: idk how I missed your 887, but what the hell man? I just had a scum read on you for essentially “making sure a wagon was safe and you wouldn’t be scum read before jumping on it” and you do that? At least I have to give you props for voting BEFORE the 887 post and seeing if people would agree with you instead of posting 887 and seeing if you’d get 2 people to agree and then voting in a subsequent post. So progress!

Why does that trigger you?