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Why did you claim Miller Mason? Why didn't you just claim the Miller aspect of your role?In post 116, Truth wrote:I may or may not be in a neighbourhood. I am open to someone claiming neighbours with me which I will play along with. Of course, it might also be my real neighbour if I am in a neighbourhood. This would be the Wifom element at play, and should make it difficult for mafia to decide whether I am a Mason or a neighbour.- Cat Scratch Fever
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Do you think Truth is telling the truth about his role?In post 106, popopopopopopo wrote:still, i dont think outing the hood, masons or not, is a good idea.
mason miller makes very little sense as a role no?if a cop checks, masons can just come in and say he claimed miller to us in our masonry, then what...- Cat Scratch Fever
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I thought her questioning Glitch was towny.In post 141, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
You're just biased towards their avatar aren't you.In post 137, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:lean town on Nauci
Although rereading the game today, I don't really think that's as ai as I thought it was- Cat Scratch Fever
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?In post 144, Looker wrote:In post 19, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Popopo. You will be my voting slaveSpoiler:
Do you feel we have a legitimate claim 7 pages in?In post 132, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Truth has all but admitted it's a hood. It's a hood until proven otherwise.In post 131, NorwegianboyEE wrote:More than 2 masons in a mini setup sounds implausible. A hood would be more likely for that.
Why are you trying to avoid RVS?In post 140, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Do you think Truth is telling the truth about his role?
VOTE: LicketyQuickety Consider it a reward for your...effort
We were already comfortably out of RVS by the time I got to the thread- Cat Scratch Fever
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I mean, there isn't always a doctorIn post 149, Truth wrote:I thought it would be a good idea if one of the Masons claimed so that doctors could be used on me. In hindsight I should have checked with my buddies first.
Also if you just claimed Miller by itself, the odds of scum nk'ing you were going to be so small. So if you didn't want to die, you should've just claimed Miller...?- Cat Scratch Fever
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Where have you played forum mafia before?In post 157, Candy Shop wrote:
So in case of a lynch without any info, we're more likely to hit town than mafia. Accordingly, we have to get more info on scum from the lynch than the value of losing a player.In post 127, popopopopopopo wrote:i meant to quote the whole post there.
I'm sure that we're marginally more likely to hit mafia with this method on the first day than a completely random RNG lynch but that is not the test IMO.
The real test is whether the net information gained from the reactions of people from being pressured outweighs the high chance of a potential loss of a townie. When I say net information I also mean to include negative utility information for town such as the fact that the mafia knows of the existence of a masonry when it did not need to.
This logic works better the more investigative roles there are in the game though because the more there are the more it makes sense to wait for a night.
I haven't seen anything yet to lose a townie in a 13 player game so far.
VOTE: NO LYNCH- Cat Scratch Fever
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watIn post 164, Truth wrote:I am okay with not lynching today. Going to even numbers alive on a day is bad, but if a doctor protects me we would actually be back on odd numbers. And not lynching on the first day is better than later on because of the proportion of mafia and town.
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In post 194, Truth wrote:Well, does anyone have any strong feelings of mafia from any other players? I would be fine with lynching but it doesn't seem like anyone has any leads.
What made you start suspecting osukaIn post 200, Truth wrote:I am reading. I don't remember everything. I am suspicious of Osuka as well so I can help here.
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In post 231, ofrhz wrote:
Osuka thinks this post by you was a backpedal because you said you were pushing him earlier in 195In post 208, LicketyQuickety wrote:
I didn't call it a push.In post 204, osuka wrote:
he actually can be forgiven for missing your "push" because honestly I'm staggered that you dared call it a push in the first placeLicketyQuickety wrote:
How could you possibly have missed that? It's on the same page you said people were too focussed on your claim that I pointed out Osuka is too focussed on your claim. How exactly DID you miss that?In post 200, Truth wrote:I am reading. I don't remember everything. I am suspicious of Osuka as well so I can help here.
VOTE: Osuka
sorry altslipIn post 232, ofrhz wrote:osuka, why is that backpedal more likely to come from scum than town?- Cat Scratch Fever
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Why is it good though? I feel like he just wrote a block of text to say "scum wouldn't do what Truth did!"In post 236, Nauci wrote:
This is a good assessmentIn post 147, mavsfan41 wrote:So I haven’t fully finished the read but wanted to comment about LicketyQuickety going after the miller/mason claim. In 84, you mention the two possibilities for going after Truth’s claim. I would argue it’s #1 and he’s new vs #2. Post 52 should tell you that. Truth saying he has his mason buddies coming forward to verify his claim, that would look horrible coming from scum. If scum!Truth is fake claiming miller/mason then his buddies would be scum. To 1) be scum and suggest his partners will verify his claim is one helluva gambit if ANYONE of them were to be lynched, you could easily link them together 2) to not know how that would sound saying he has buddies coming forward with players being skeptical of his claim and not being aware of the optics of this. This tells me that he hasn’t even considered how scummy it would be to say “hey guys. I have a private chat and will show guilty to a cop’s investigation, but don’t worry cause I’ve got people in that private chat to verify I’m town.” That sounds scummy af and Truth seems to just not have even considered the optics. Basically his 52 reads to me like someone being like I’m confirmed town cause my buddies will back me up without even considering scum could make the same exact claim with scum buddies backing that fake claim up. As of right now, I hafta accept his claim here (at least for now).- Cat Scratch Fever
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Sense of self importance? Idk I can kind of see it with his personality this game.In post 238, osuka wrote:
he tried to make a point in a very obviously ingenuine fashion. why do you feel like you have to show someone "look at all these slots i pushed" if youre town when the number is clearly at least inflated?In post 232, ofrhz wrote:osuka, why is that backpedal more likely to come from scum than town?- Cat Scratch Fever
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Holy shitIn post 280, ofrhz wrote:
Based on their back and forth, I think they both believe in their pushes. I can also understand why they each scumread the other even though I disagree with it.In post 277, Truth wrote:Why are they both town?
As for your leads questions, I was suspecting osuka before that if you check my earlier posts.
They're both independently towny as well. Quick has demonstrated that he has an unusual process of scumhunting, and I think his process is hard to fake.
I'm gut townreading osuka.
Why is osuka scummy for thinking you could be lying about being a mason but not wanting to take the risk of pushing you? A lot of people have expressed disbelief in your mason claim yet no one is pushing for your lynch off the top of my head.- Cat Scratch Fever
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This got cut off. What's your read on Quick?In post 299, Glitch wrote:Lick - sketch at first, then was confused for a while, then the ugly page 9-10 osuka vs LQ battle I'm reading is just confusing. I think osuka has solid arguments and- Cat Scratch Fever
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Why are you townreading popo? I don't have a read thereIn post 304, GuiltyLion wrote:anyway I don't think a lot of great stuff happened otherwise in these 12 pages and I'd like to get more of a foothold in the game tonight, I'll be around for the next 3-4 hours so hmu and let's jam, especially the cats cause I want CSF to townread me
popopopopoppopopoppop I'm also townreading
haven't read the Glitch Wall yet but I did think that 'fake millers' in lieu of 'fake masons' thing was sketchy
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Idk that site but MS definitely isn't a site where you should NL. Look at some completed games in this forum and you'll note that basically no game ends up with a no lynch on day 1In post 345, Candy Shop wrote:So there would be info flowing from nearly every night which made it a good choice to NL without info.- Cat Scratch Fever
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In that newbie with Micc you linked, Norway did kneejerk OMGUS Micc though.In post 369, GuiltyLion wrote:
and that's not what you did in our last game togetherIn post 367, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Because i read you as scum and therefore i view all your interactions with extreme prejudice.
this one!
I remember much calmer, more chill posts - such as this one!
Anyways, let's talk about Glitch. Why did you say he's a mislynch?
I'm not really vibing your case on Norway. A lot of those things you're pushing as scum indicative often come from town too.- Cat Scratch Fever
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Why is Nauci town again? I feel like she’s been taking safe stancesIn post 445, GuiltyLion wrote:here's my "taking a look at the whole game" reads for Norwegian:
Townies: CSF, Nauci, Lickety, Candy Shop
don't feel like voting today but maybe a scum: Looker, osuka
has not played the game yet: rozyroz
self-resolving: Truth
could see myself voting today: mavsfan, glitch
one of these two is scum: Norway, popopopopoppopopoopp
p-edit: What am I misdirecting away from? I replied directly to the latest two people that voted me- Cat Scratch Fever
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Townread on GlitchIn post 481, Glitch wrote:long wall post- Cat Scratch Fever
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One slot hasn't even posted yet. I think we can stand to extract a lot more information out of today.In post 513, Truth wrote:If someone could explain to me why my suggestion was bad instead of laughing at it or dismissing it, I would be very grateful.- Cat Scratch Fever
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In post 418, Nauci wrote:I'll give you some action for now because of the post I called out earlier looking so, so bad
VOTE: GuiltyLion
I didn't like either of these postsIn post 496, Nauci wrote:
Soo... IS the core of your case OGMUS?In post 457, NorwegianboyEE wrote:If you don’t like the fact that your scumread then maybe you shouldn’t have played so bad and started the day off by pushing me for quite frankly, awful reasons.- Cat Scratch Fever
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Her vote on GuiltyLion really surprised me. Based on her posts, I was expecting her to vote Norway.In post 520, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:In post 418, Nauci wrote:I'll give you some action for now because of the post I called out earlier looking so, so bad
VOTE: GuiltyLion
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Soo... IS the core of your case OGMUS?In post 457, NorwegianboyEE wrote:If you don’t like the fact that your scumread then maybe you shouldn’t have played so bad and started the day off by pushing me for quite frankly, awful reasons.
The GL post Nauci is referring to isn't even that bad imo. It wasn't one of the posts from GL that pinged me anyhow.- Cat Scratch Fever
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Do you think you've done enough to be townread?In post 536, popopopopopopo wrote:Lol ill be phone posting all weekend but look at this dudes iso its all townreads and then a naked hop on me. Could be the worst vote on my wagon. This guy is straight cruising and found an easy spot to park his vote but I ain't mislynch bait like that bro.- Cat Scratch Fever
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Are you talking about this?In post 554, popopopopopopo wrote: Looker - town lean responded well to my request for reads even if we dont completely agree
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Looker didn't even give reads - he just said which slots were good info lynches?
Why is this weird? He said he was in the middle of catching up earlier.mavsfan41 - null-scum him coming in with a vote immediately after i call him out is not a good look
Which townreads do you disagree with?Cat Scratch Fever - scummy his vote was opportunistic and his iso has been bad, handing out townreads like candy and little scumreads is mafia indicative especially early game- Cat Scratch Fever
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The reason why I voted was because of his lack of presence early game and was heavily implied:In post 558, popopopopopopo wrote:Notice he doesnt call guilty scum here. Doesn't really provide a reason for his vote at all.
In fact cat scratch never calls GL scum, except he does post this
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Uh yeah, I saw a shitshow of what I thought was TvT and did not want Osuka and Quick to continue arguing back and forth with each other and instead combine our votes to form a pressure wagon on someone who was conspicuously missing.In post 558, popopopopopopo wrote: So here there is a push for more votes on guilty. He's never called guilty even scummy tho? But he's voted for him and called for others to vote him.
If you want an explanation, you can just ask instead of making assumptions. Is this a newbie game where we scumread people for not explaining things?Then he votes for me, with no explanation of either his original guilty read or his new vote on me. He provided a reason for the vote on me when I pressed him.
I thought Guilty's meta defense of himself was convincing enough. His posting rate is higher as town than scum, and his contributions here pushed me to think he's town.- Cat Scratch Fever
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It's not bizarre because I thought he was town by the time I voted for you.In post 559, popopopopopopo wrote:BTW cats vote on me was sheeping GLs attack on me after already voting for GL and calling for others to vote there. A bizarre turnaround.- Cat Scratch Fever
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You have more experience with popo than me so I'm curious - why isn't this a post scum!popo would make?In post 580, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Town as fuck.In post 555, popopopopopopo wrote:i owe norwe big, more than owe him im in debt to him. the reactions i am getting for this schtick also has been and will continue to be fruitful- Cat Scratch Fever
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Why did you comment on this post?In post 593, Nauci wrote:
I don't even understand why you would say this, jokingly or notIn post 584, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
Not our faults you live in an assbackwards timezone.In post 576, osuka wrote:Is nobody really gonna post right now
It was like 11 pm pst, a fairly reasonable hour to expect some people to be actively posting
With that said I went to bed at like 7 AM this morning so my understanding of normal and time zones is skewed af
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I don't think he's saying his original motivation for sheeping you was to get reactions - just that he chose to sheep you for whatever reason and then it so happened he got some reads out of it. I also think he only did a readslist because I asked him for one.In post 601, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Well first of all, i think it’s town to say he’s doing it for reactions. He also included a reads list afterwards which proves that point. Also i’m getting a distinct feel of his town meta from recent posts. As scum he would probably lurk hard and only pop in to say some irrelevant stuff or try to fake a different progression when he started being suspected/wagoned.- Cat Scratch Fever
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Based on this, he seems to be saying it was a side effect rather than the cause for sheeping youIn post 555, popopopopopopo wrote:i owe norwe big, more than owe him im in debt to him. the reactions i am getting for this schtick also has been and will continue to be fruitful
popo's last two scum games did have a drastically lower post count rate than this game already though so maybe you have a point.
Funny thing is I'm townreading GuiltyLion on the premise that his higher activity is town indicative compared to his past two scumgames. Can I get you to reconsider that slot?- Cat Scratch Fever
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idk about "can't be scum with GL" since I don't bother with pre-flip associations but I want to wagon this
VOTE: Nauci
She seemed interested in figuring out popo's alignment earlier, but then this wagon on him built up to L-2andpopo dropped a readslist and she pops in but doesn't comment on either at all.- Cat Scratch Fever
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I don't think the unvote is super AI either way.In post 626, mavsfan41 wrote:@Cat Scratch Fever: what’s the case on Nauci? Her actions around the GL wagon are weird, sure. But in a very short span she votes GL, unvotes him. Later she mentions GL in 493 but also is critical of Norwegian in 494 & 496. I’m not sure scum!Nauci unvotes GL and makes 494 & 496. This seems to me like town reconsidering between the two whereas scum would’ve parked the vote and called it a day.
Town can unvote there because maybe they really think two people could qhammer. scum can also unvote because that's what they would do as town.
Unvoting there is super easy - it's really not hard for scum to fake that, so I don't think that's a valid reason to be townreading someone.
My case on Nauci is that she seems to comment on things that aren't game related when there's content to analyze. I would like to see where she lands once she gets more time to dedicate to this game.- Cat Scratch Fever
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The lack of self awareness is pretty astounding.In post 690, popopopopopopo wrote:I'd like more votes on cathis iso pre voting me is very poor as I've laid out.
Where do you think my ISO is bad? You scumread me for townreading people too easily when you can't point to a townread that you thought was weak?- Cat Scratch Fever
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Where did you end up on Looker? You started out saying his post was shallow and then you liked one of his pushes.In post 692, Glitch wrote:Quote from Looker
RE: Truth - If Truth is scum, there are two other scum anyway, so you might as well pressure someone else. The reason is if you're wrong about Truth being scum and she is a Mason, then pushing Truth to lynch range will mean a mason buddy will have to reveal themselves as well.- Cat Scratch Fever
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