Micro 950: Lovers Mafia

[votato]

first

[votato]

who wanna be my lover?

[votato]

im the cop btw

[votato]

who wanna be my lover?

What's the application process?

you have to get with my friends

[votato]

who else is getting on the "sheep votato" train?

[votato]

Follow the cop is a weak strategy. It never works at all. That's why they changed the newbie setup years ago so cops can't be followed.

Plus I CC: I'm a lover watcher. Nobody is allowed to make love without me watching. There can be only room for one invest role in this town.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: votato

isnt that more of a voyeur?

[votato]

hmm in general im not a fan of it. at least not on day 1. the only thing we gain from claiming is associations, and we dont want to be speculating based on associations pre-flip. so day 2 we can do it if we want, but today nono. day 1 scum are somewhat in the dark, but day 2 scum know who all the pairs are so at that point you lose nothing by claiming.

i feel like people always put too much effort into gimmicking a given setup and too little time scumhunting.

[votato]

I agree with Votey. (Trying a nickname how does it feel? I kind of instantly hate.) He is one smart and sexy unicorn.

hawt. nicknames are fine, but that one just sounds like im full of votes. vode, vovo, vo, tater, tato, my love, etc all work tho. if you're sold on votey i will try to learn to respond to it i guess. im not that picky. Some people call me Taylor (as in Taylor Swift). Dunno if that helps though.

votato did you read this?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 5#p5474325



Personally I think massclaiming on day 2 is more gimmicky than on day 1.

i did read it. what makes the day 2 massclaim gimmicky?

[votato]

what exactly is the useful info that we want to have on day 1 that we get from a massclaim?

[votato]

i think thats my post 46 that he quoted... hmmm

[votato]

eh i thats only true if we mislynch today, which is SOP for day 1. but i guess in this case even the most incompetent town can hit scum by accident. which is good considering im a part of it.

[votato]

well i do love to claim scum

[votato]

its not that bad. it just isnt that good. and i think the cons outweigh the pros. but i dont think its that big a deal?

[votato]

i like to do both

[votato]

Well there is great scum equity in a vote for Sleeper/votato.

could you elaborate a little on why?

[votato]

You both are scummy.

Seems clear.

solid argument. care to elaborate?

[votato]

I don't negotiate with terrorists.

no negotiating with yourself then i take it?

[votato]

[votato]

can we at least negotiate now?

[votato]

DM sent


but like for realsies, could you explain your scumreads?

[votato]

and to be clear, there's nothing other than what is already in your iso?

[votato]

I clearly don't have a cop guilty on either of you, what kind of question is that?

i just mean theres nothing else that you havent yet posted?

[votato]

SCUMSLIP

votato is in the mindset for getting a mislynch today, which is why he thinks scum will know all the pairs tomorrow. If he's town, he would consider what happens the other 50% of the time when scum is lynched - which he should be aiming for.

i dont think this is the scumslip you're looking for. you're assuming a random lynch. is scum just refuses to bus, 5/6 townies all have to agree on a scum lynch, including 1 townie to self-vote. a mislynch is all but assured today. the game gets interesting tomorrow.

[votato]

I clearly don't have a cop guilty on either of you, what kind of question is that?

i just mean theres nothing else that you havent yet posted?

Outside of hacking the mod and getting his list of roles for this game.......I have no idea what you are getting on about.

i mean you've posted the full extent of your reads? cuz you havent really said much

[votato]

Hey guys, it's my second game! First game is still ongoing in day 1.

My goal this game is to try not to do anything too stupid on day 1.

Hey thanks for that scum slip.

VOTE: SleeperSoul

so this is the only post where you give any reason to scumread sleeper. and i feel like claiming noob is a noobtell more than a scumslip. i did the same thing as a newbie. I was already planning to call you out for the way you were pushing so hard at sleeper for this, but then sleeper said we're lovers and now you're coming at me too. You're pushing at two people who cannot possibly both be scum, and your only reason is a "slip" for each of us. how often do scumslips of this kind actually come from scum? VOTE: drew. you're pushing at LHF, and now that you know I'm lovers with sleeper you're fine with lynching either of us.

[votato]

unrelated to the game, tuxedo and i are lovers

[votato]

Also I am obviously ok with massclaiming lovers

then claim your lover?

[votato]

ok my early solve is {genghis, drew}. sleeper is 100% town, and so far both tux and holden are weak townreads.

[votato]

Okay, well I only said "I'm not entirely opposed", it was mostly just lighthearted banter.

please keep the lighthearted banter in our PT. you know how jealous i get

[votato]

sleeper is my lover and i feel like by now i can read sleeper decently well. we stay up all night whispering sweet nothings, and have experience from outside this game too.

[votato]

I do buy that votato could read me like this. But I'm scratching my head at the solve.

I should probably get some rest though, I've been up all night and it's almost noon.

see? up all night together. the solve comes from genghis making the weird misquote thing and coordinating with drew. im pretty sure my iso lays that out already. it certainly lays out all my thoughts on drew.

[votato]

Okay, well I only said "I'm not entirely opposed", it was mostly just lighthearted banter.

Alright. Would you be willing to lynch yourself and votato?

would you be willing to lynch yourself and drew?

[votato]

i see my loverpair as pure, but it seems like thats a minority opinion. even among my loverpair.

[votato]

Here's my stance on the Mr. Khan/drew situation.

I don't like Khan's 50 (if I mislink, it's the one with the messed up quote) due to not understanding how the hell the quote was messed up that badly. However, I confess that isnt AI on it's own. What I think is scummy is that Khan prioritized pushing the slip without addressing the mess up quote at the same time drew begun to push.

In my eyes, I can see how scum!Khan did that to fuel drew suspicions of votato if drew is town. I dont really get the associated read yet, since I'm not sure why scum would go through the hoopla of faking a scumslip on someone yet made such a big blunder quote wise as well. I also don't buy it was coordinated over Drew's confusion that it was me with the slip.

you dont think its strange that they both start pushing the same person at the same time? drew is conveniently ignoring khan's quotegate

[votato]

Votato, picture me and you as scum for a moment. You indicate to me that you want to coordinate a push onto a townie named KASLAM based off a frabicated scum slip. I say sure but then in the thread you post the slip on KASLAM yet its quoted by another player (or vice versa. KASLAM is quoted saying something he didnt).

Would you expect me to go through with it?

The whole execution of the slip logic is so sloppily done that I dont buy it was premeditated between them. Theres not enough there to support that narrative over others like scum!khan fueling town!drew for example.

i mean you're right but at the same time, the fabricated quote seems to pretty clearly come from some sort of scum gambit, and i have a hard time explaining it in any context. so you're right that the coordination story is strange given quotegate, but quotegate is strange in any context, and so i dont think the one can be used to disprove the other

[votato]

...

[votato]

VOTE: khan

[votato]

im indifferent between drew and khan. i think they're both scum. i've already moved my vote to khan. its L-2 to be clear

[votato]

YOU PUSH ME FOR THE QUOTE MIXUP?

Holder's post was quoted from my previous post somehow, and upon realising, I formatted the post to get rid of Holden's but managed to mess it up. How is this in any way scum-motivated?

by "his responses" you mean this one post? he is indignant, and then gives an explanation that i dont really understand. this one post was enough to persuade you?

[votato]

hmm in general im not a fan of it. at least not on day 1. the only thing we gain from claiming is associations, and we dont want to be speculating based on associations pre-flip. so day 2 we can do it if we want, but today nono. day 1 scum are somewhat in the dark, but day 2 scum know who all the pairs are so at that point you lose nothing by claiming.

i feel like people always put too much effort into gimmicking a given setup and too little time scumhunting.

Am I missing something? How does scum know all the pairs D2 without us claiming?

Asking this again since I'm still confused

i dunno that i really have a better answer than the one i already gave... i take a lot of mental shortcuts and sometimes my brain skips steps and i wind up with whack-brained ideas.

[votato]

Also, on the flip of this.

Let's play devil's advocate and say Pooky(Genghis) and I are scum buddies, why would I be obviously against his lynch? That would be a bonkers play, and borderline suicidal.

because if you refuse to bus and genghis' lover refuses to self-lynch, then the remainder of town requires unanimity to lynch, and thats a very tall order.

[votato]

I'm really bad at this. sorry votato, you deserve a better lover


No.... Bear looks scummy again. I trust you tux, you seemed to be defending Bear so that made him seem less scummy.

you are a fantastic lover. but i still cheat on you with tuxedo sometimes

[votato]

btw im catching up from page 10 now... wtf did you guys do today

[votato]

This game's been going on for 3 days now.

that's 2 days too many - let's lynch drew and get it CRACKING

im pretty sure i said the same thing on the first of those three days, but im glad people are waking up now

[votato]

ok my early solve is {genghis, drew}. sleeper is 100% town, and so far both tux and holden are weak townreads.

I'm not convinced drew is town at all. I hope its not my paranoia getting the best of me but the push on votato/sleeper just doesnt seem natural

Drew, even your lover thinks you're mafia.

I don't negotiate with terrorists. I just present my case. If you think it's weak, ignore it.

Kind of talked with Raya about it, I believe votato manipulated newb Sleeper into town reading him. Why would votato say this so early in the game? Wy would Sleeper think your Lover should automatically town read you?

Doesn't make sense.

And yes, technically

I am pushing for the mislynch

. Buti have said in here and in the Lovers PT, lots of scum equity here, and Sleeper has done a hell of a lot here to possibly be the scum between those lovers

did people already comment on this scumslip?

[votato]

sleeper i'm afraid your buddy votato is probly scum since he won't lynch his scumbuddy drew with us

so tommorrow gonna have to ask you to make the ultimate sacrifice for us ok?

i absolutely will, but i can only change my vote when im here!

[votato]

holden is such a donkey i can't bring myself to read his posts I like fall asleep when I'm about 4 words in

you dont realize what a compliment that is do you?

[votato]

UNVOTE:

[votato]

Yes or no is preferred.

Sorry, the technical answer is no.... But maybe you were imagining one of our other lives together?

this would be very cringe if it werent so adorable

[votato]

sleeper is my lover and i feel like by now i can read sleeper decently well. we stay up all night whispering sweet nothings, and have experience from outside this game too.

This was the post I was thinking of. I assumed outside game experience referred to an IRL relationship.

@Votato what are you talking about here?

@Sleeper if you know, you can answer as well.

another game onsite

[votato]

Pedit I'm new. Hi, nice to meet you.

hi new, im votato

[votato]

ok my early solve is {genghis, drew}. sleeper is 100% town, and so far both tux and holden are weak townreads.

I'm not convinced drew is town at all. I hope its not my paranoia getting the best of me but the push on votato/sleeper just doesnt seem natural

Drew, even your lover thinks you're mafia.

I don't negotiate with terrorists. I just present my case. If you think it's weak, ignore it.

Kind of talked with Raya about it, I believe votato manipulated newb Sleeper into town reading him. Why would votato say this so early in the game? Wy would Sleeper think your Lover should automatically town read you?

Doesn't make sense.

And yes, technically

I am pushing for the mislynch

. Buti have said in here and in the Lovers PT, lots of scum equity here, and Sleeper has done a hell of a lot here to possibly be the scum between those lovers

did people already comment on this scumslip?

yeah this is why im gonna

VOTE: drew over pooky

[votato]

but like... we know that pooky is scum here, yes? scum that has given up and has accepted their lynch today? we need to reassess since im pretty confident in all four of the other players, but theres no way there isnt scum in {pooky, bugspray} right?

[votato]

maybe you're town but i dont think so. also, if you're town then bugspray is mafia. either way, VOTE: pooky

[votato]

interesting that when it comes crunch time, you unvote and dont actually self-hammer, pooky. very interesting.

[votato]

So yes or no, is Holden/Tux pure?

I thought you guys were pure, but I don't like the way Votato/Sleepy both jumped on me so fast like that.

Holden told every1 to wait up and not put anyone at L-2 so scum can't quicklynch. Then as soon as he goes away for fathers day Votato/Sleepy decide to put me at L-1,

so it's VERY possible that Votato/Sleep has 1 scum manipulating 1 town to put me at L-1 so that their scumbuddy comes and quick-hammers.

Feels very coordinated

from town!you's PoV why would that implicate holdenmask? it wouldnt. that should implicate sleepertato and confirm that bugspray is scum yes?

i dunnno, to me that unvote is all the proof i need to know that pooky is scum

[votato]

im willing to bet the game that pooky is scum

[votato]

look at my avatar. is there any world where that avatar comes from scum?

[votato]

when you've caught scum theres no reason not to lynch it.

[votato]

if everyone wills it i will self-vote tomorrow. but today we lynch pooky's pair

[votato]

If that's true, you and votato are mafia...

well done!

[votato]

gg all, this game was fun. sleeper and tux - you both did pretty well, and dont feel bad for being manipulated. i think this falls more on drew/pooky/spray. spray didnt show up at all, and drew and pooky/genghis were a bit too lynchbaity

[votato]

So I'm right?

yes you are. props for figuring it out

[votato]

me too, this was a fun playerlist.

[votato]

i think if town sheeped holden town would have had a good chance of winning. its never advisable to listen to scum!me though, which you all kinda did.

[votato]

So I'm right?

yes you are. props for figuring it out

It does seem a little too obvious to deserve props, but thanks

well i guess holden hammered and confirmed that the game was over, so from your PoV thats pretty obvious. still props.

[votato]

lesson learned: if donkeys and unicorns team up, we're invincible

[votato]

Yeah playing deep wolf power scum is my speciality, so this type of game doesn't bode well for me. Votato gets away with stuff because of his playstyle lol.

not just stuff, but all the stuff i get away with

[votato]

it would be so boring to pretend to be a townie, even as a townie

[votato]

i would never!

[votato]

wait is it day 2

almost.

[votato]

i mean just wait until you read the scum PT. we were being super cheeky in there. but i didnt feel like i had to pretend to be town, i was able to openwolf and there were still three people wolfier than i.

[votato]

holden was also trying to get tux to vote, i was just more successful in my manipulation

[votato]

yeah i didnt even read that post. just looked at the gif and went on with my day

[votato]

Sadly I think the PT will show me trying to convince Holden to vote, not the other way around.

thats what we wanted you to think

[votato]

yeah i can see the improvement already sleeper. you'll get there in no time. not that im qualified to judge, as someone who still hasnt gotten there.... i've won around 40% as town.

[votato]

The best person to convince you of something is yourself after all

good advice. I just need to trust myself more.

no, you should always listen to me. i always know best.

[votato]

i do love fun and banter haha

[votato]

can we lynch bugspray yet?

[votato]

"(I want to let them finish playing chess before I lock the topic)"
lol

[votato]

Everyone was wrong, that's why we lost Bear.

i wasnt wrogn!

[votato]

Drew, you were painfully obvtown to me; it's unbelievable how they treat our good cult leaders nowadays... just not right, I'm telling you. Thanks, Nancy, I thought that scumslip actually had good grounds! I like your new avatar.

Sorry about replacing out btw, was (and still am) overwhelmed with games.

im still not sure how much of a scumslip that was, but it was a good catch i guess.

[votato]

Anyways, well played to the scumteam. You both played well. You need to stop winning scum games against me, votato...

you're hoctac?

[votato]

also is hoctac=hectic?

[votato]

also is hoctac=hectic?

I process such knowledge, but I only give it out if you pay the Eldritch blood pact.

done. also at this point the answer is yes. this is three times now poor hectic has lost to scum!me. maybe four if hectic had an alt in animals...

[votato]

Were you following closely because you're also a hectic alt, auro?

[votato]

the guy who doesnt even realize that the game ended, and still thinks its day 1 lol