Micro 950: Lovers Mafia

[SleeperSoul]

Hey guys, it's my second game! First game is still ongoing in day 1.

My goal this game is to try not to do anything too stupid on day 1.

[SleeperSoul]

Hey guys, it's my second game! First game is still ongoing in day 1.

My goal this game is to try not to do anything too stupid on day 1.

Hey thanks for that scum slip.

VOTE: SleeperSoul

The newbie greeting tell strikes again
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sleepersoul

Now you are new so I'll explain. This is L-3, meaning you have 3 posts to tell me who your scum buddy is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAPlkqLmKVs

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I kinda like bugs, so....

VOTE: bugspray

[SleeperSoul]

I think https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 5#p5474325 makes a pretty good argument for mass claiming lovers day 1.

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I say we just lynch sleeper and all hi5 each other for a quality D1.

Would that really be quality though? Sounds kinda boring. There should be more drama!

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@HoldenGolden Whatever we do, we should only claim if everyone claims. Your theorycrafting is already giving me headaches. I think massclaim right away will make everything simpler for everyone, giving a net benefit to town since we outnumber mafia.

[SleeperSoul]

Would you like to claim your mafia partner while the rest of the crowd debates?

I don't want town to find out about our little secret.

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K guys, I'm going to be sheeping votato the whole game

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votato did you read this?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 5#p5474325



Personally I think massclaiming on day 2 is more gimmicky than on day 1.

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Actually, I'm not even sure if partial claiming day 1 is even all that bad. I wanna claim my lover soon if you can't convince me not to.

[SleeperSoul]

Yeah well since it's not that big of a deal, I'm just going to claim.
votato is my lover. Which is good because in bed I'm definitely a giver not a taker.

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Well my only read so far is very slightly scummy on votato for not wanting to claim, so I'm not entirely opposed.

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I can actually help town by getting myself lynched! Hahaha I like this setup!

[SleeperSoul]

Is Drew's agression AI? I'm kinda liking it.

[SleeperSoul]

Is Drew's agression AI? I'm kinda liking it.

You consider that agression?

yes

[SleeperSoul]

Is Drew's agression AI? I'm kinda liking it.

Why do you like it.

Drew was pushing on my scum read, and also pushing the game forwards in general.

Is Drew's agression AI? I'm kinda liking it.

You consider that agression?

this pings me
VOTE: Drew

This seems kinda weird. I didn't think 94 was very AI.

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Is Drew's agression AI? I'm kinda liking it.

Why do you like it.

Drew was pushing on my scum read, and also pushing the game forwards in general.

Is Drew's agression AI? I'm kinda liking it.

You consider that agression?

this pings me
VOTE: Drew

This seems kinda weird. I didn't think 94 was very AI.

[SleeperSoul]

Drew and Kahn who's your lover?

do you have anything substantial to offer other than trying to get info that probably shouldn't be made public yet?

Why are you pushing Tux for this when it was my idea to massclaim to begin with?

p-edit:I'm not pulling the trigger on myself, I'm pointing at bugspray.

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Okay, well I only said "I'm not entirely opposed", it was mostly just lighthearted banter.

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I do buy that votato could read me like this. But I'm scratching my head at the solve.

I should probably get some rest though, I've been up all night and it's almost noon.

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Guys I've been busy in another game..... based on that game and the PT my town read on votato is pretty strong. I'll try to catch up later.

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ok my early solve is {genghis, drew}. sleeper is 100% town, and so far both tux and holden are weak townreads.

Yep, this makes sense. I also have the same reads on tux and holden.

unrelated to the game, tuxedo and i are lovers

ok my early solve is {genghis, drew}. sleeper is 100% town, and so far both tux and holden are weak townreads.

Agreed to both. That's why I wanted to know if Kahn and Drew were lovers. Now know they aren't their coordination on you seems scummy. The push is weak, and they both made the same weird mistake about Holden. Not sure about Sleeper being so towny though. I like Ray.

This also makes sense, except I slightly scum lean Ray. continuing catch-up

Okay, well I only said "I'm not entirely opposed", it was mostly just lighthearted banter.

Alright. Would you be willing to lynch yourself and votato?

no

I do buy that votato could read me like this. But I'm scratching my head at the solve.

I should probably get some rest though, I've been up all night and it's almost noon.

see? up all night together. the solve comes from genghis making the weird misquote thing and coordinating with drew. im pretty sure my iso lays that out already. it certainly lays out all my thoughts on drew.

uhuh uhuh... i like it!

I've never played this setup before but I intend to use my PT to sort Drew and I think that's in the best interest of all town

okay, town leaning Raya now

Here's my stance on the Mr. Khan/drew situation.

I don't like Khan's 50 (if I mislink, it's the one with the messed up quote) due to not understanding how the hell the quote was messed up that badly. However, I confess that isnt AI on it's own. What I think is scummy is that Khan prioritized pushing the slip without addressing the mess up quote at the same time drew begun to push.

This makes sense.

Votato, picture me and you as scum for a moment. You indicate to me that you want to coordinate a push onto a townie named KASLAM based off a frabicated scum slip. I say sure but then in the thread you post the slip on KASLAM yet its quoted by another player (or vice versa. KASLAM is quoted saying something he didnt).

Would you expect me to go through with it?

The whole execution of the slip logic is so sloppily done that I dont buy it was premeditated between them. Theres not enough there to support that narrative over others like scum!khan fueling town!drew for example.

This is very townie.

An action comitted in anger is an action doomed to failure, people.

Anyway, I am heavily overgamed. Calling in Alexander the Great.

wtf?

VOTE: khan

This is shameful. Much dishonor!

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Guys I've been busy in another game..... based on that game and the PT my town read on votato is pretty strong. I'll try to catch up later.

Can you give some details for why he's such strong town to you?

Because of the other game, I think we can read each other pretty well through live interaction.

Not sure what more I can say without breaking the rules on ongoing games.

Can we maybe not L-1 someone getting replaced Sleeper? L-2 is ok but give the replacement time to catch up first maybe

Okay I'll be nice
UNVOTE: khan

But I trust votato's play

p-edit: oh thanks tux, nevermind VOTE: khan

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So its essentially a meta read then correct?

yeah, maybe?

I'd call it a soul-read.

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Yeah, it is reading based on information from the other game. And if I understand correctly meta can also come from just knowing someone outside of mafia.

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Based on the other game I feel votato is capable of picking up on any heightened emotional states of mine to hone in his soul-read.

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Also based on the other game, I think votato has 'learned my soul' and can read it when I'm not emotionally charged.

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hmm in general im not a fan of it. at least not on day 1. the only thing we gain from claiming is associations, and we dont want to be speculating based on associations pre-flip. so day 2 we can do it if we want, but today nono. day 1 scum are somewhat in the dark, but day 2 scum know who all the pairs are so at that point you lose nothing by claiming.

i feel like people always put too much effort into gimmicking a given setup and too little time scumhunting.

Am I missing something? How does scum know all the pairs D2 without us claiming?

Asking this again since I'm still confused

Raya your concern seems very genuine and townie to me.

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But I trust votato.

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I'm honestly a little confused at how strong votato and sleeper are trusting each other. I'm a little worried that votato is manipulating sleeper. (I don't see sleeper being scum so if there is manipulation it's from votato.)

I really wish I could link you the exact post from the other game where I became confident in votato's read on me.

I do have a slight wariness towards votato because he initiated this plan that I don't fully understand..... but the trust I feel is strong. It just gets challenged every now and then by logic. I feel that khan and drew are mafia. Logic comes in and causes doubt every now and then but overall I trust the direction this game is going in.

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An action comitted in anger is an action doomed to failure, people.

Anyway, I am heavily overgamed. Calling in Alexander the Great.

This post pretty much sealed the deal for me on votato being right.

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What is this plan you mention?

Just the lynch on khan.

Unless he does have a mysterious plan that I'm not aware of.... I don't think so.


I do feel that townie concern from him when interacting in the PT.

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gengis seems to be avoiding solving the game and i just dont like dd tonallty

What is 'dd tonallty'?

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gengis seems to be avoiding solving the game and i just dont like dd tonallty

What is 'dd tonallty'?

Oh nvm I see.... You don't like drew's tone. I agree.

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After rereading the game last night, I didn't know WHAT I was thinking with this post:

Is Drew's agression AI? I'm kinda liking it.

rereading it, I didn't like his aggression at all.

But I guess that served to help scum slip up, so yay!

[SleeperSoul]

Before my catch up, I was playing this game while lacking sleep.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11914693

After sleeping, when catching up, I didn't reread the whole game, I just started catching up up from votato's post. So that's why I didn't mention drew.

Now that I reread everything without a lack of sleep, I see how scummy drew's aggression was.

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Also, on the flip of this.

Let's play devil's advocate and say Pooky(Genghis) and I are scum buddies, why would I be obviously against his lynch? That would be a bonkers play, and borderline suicidal.

Post Edit: why would I be so obviously

Uhhh.... that's not a scum slip, is it?

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Towns can't be scared?

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he scared cuz he scum

I think being scared is more townie. You seem really scummy so far. Very happy with my vote on your slot.

[SleeperSoul]

he scared cuz he scum

I think being scared is more townie. You seem really scummy so far. Very happy with my vote on your slot.

Thanks for letting me know you're voting me.

unvote

vote SleepySoul

Die Die Die Die Die

Try reading the thread and the rules. And acting a bit more townie.

[SleeperSoul]

I feel like you're grasping at straws.... You know the beginning of the game usually contains a lot of non-serious banter, right?

Do you have any defense of the player you replaced?

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Sorry Votato but I didn't make you fall in love with a mafia - that shit's on beeboy - but it's in the town's best interests to lynch your badboy love so

I need you to vote for him

ok thanks

lol good luck on that!

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Try defending khan.

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If votato votes on me then he's your scum partner.

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If votato votes on me then he's your scum partner.

What?

Is that 'what' directed at me?

I think it's highly unlikely that votato is scum. Although I guess he could vote on me as town, I just don't really see it.

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I think scum hammering themselves is much less likely than town. Also if that did happen I think it would make Bear look really weird.

Plus I agree with Bear if you were a lover to their partner it would be more beneficial to keep you on the same course. Not go after you so hard

Okay, this makes sense, I wasn't thinking about the setup properly. Pooky seems a lot less scummy to me now.

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lol

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You're fun Pooky.

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I'm really bad at this. sorry votato, you deserve a better lover


No.... Bear looks scummy again. I trust you tux, you seemed to be defending Bear so that made him seem less scummy.

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I mean I town lean you tux, so..... I don't know. That was my reasoning, admittedly poor.

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I'll give you a chance since you're not khan, but I was really convinced when khan resigned that it was because he's scum.

UNVOTE:

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UNVOTE:

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Khan said he was overgamed. His replacing out wasn't AI

OMG........ I just realized that he meant he had too many games going. I thought he meant he was being out played, out skilled etc....

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That's why I said it was shameful.

I'm sorry khan!!!

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I want to hear from votato again before I vote. Probably drew though.

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Might as well

VOTE: Drew

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Also, on the flip of this.

Let's play devil's advocate and say Pooky(Genghis) and I are scum buddies, why would I be obviously against his lynch? That would be a bonkers play, and borderline suicidal.

Post Edit: why would I be so obviously

Uhhh.... that's not a scum slip, is it?

You literally can't be serious......

Wasn't it clear I was speaking in a scenario where Genghis and I were scum buddies?

You do understand what playing devil's advocate means, right?

Sleeper, may have gotten buried with all the Pooky stuff.

Might as well

VOTE: Drew

[SleeperSoul]

Well, I am fairly certain that Raya is town, so have fun with the rest if the game that will end on D2.

Or just use logic and lunch the obv scum lovers sleeper/votato (yes only one can be scum, but great scum equity there).

But I don't see logic happening here.

And yes this is AtE, but I don't know how else to get through to you people.

Pre Edit: excuse the all caps SLEEPER WONT EVEN RESPOND TO A

LOADED

FUCKING QUESTION

ftfy

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I'm not convinced drew is town at all. I hope its not my paranoia getting the best of me but the push on votato/sleeper just doesnt seem natural

Drew, even your lover thinks you're mafia.

I don't negotiate with terrorists. I just present my case. If you think it's weak, ignore it.

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Pooky, he voted...... But I like your gusto lol

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Can't blame you.

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Scum would back off because they know their case was bullshit to begin with and don't want to be caught with their pants down.

Khan said he was overgamed. His replacing out wasn't AI

OMG........ I just realized that he meant he had too many games going. I thought he meant he was being out played, out skilled etc....

it WAS bullshit, and I already explained that. but go ahead keep spamming the thread with scummy bs

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In post 147, Genghis Khan wrote:
An action comitted in anger is an action doomed to failure, people.

Anyway, I am heavily overgamed. Calling in Alexander the Great.


wtf?

VOTE: khan

This is shameful. Much dishonor!

That's why I said it was shameful.

I'm sorry khan!!!

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Pooky what are your thoughts on Votato?
Also I thought you thought sleepy was scum?

I buy pooky's 'flip' on me.

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I guess I'm a tiny bit afraid I've been pocketed by votato because I've never experienced it in forum mafia. But not really.

I keep having niggling doubts about him but when I reassess the town read gets stronger.... based on meta this makes me feel like he is doing the same to me, which is townie.

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yes....

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The meta between votato and me is based on one game. no votato didn't tell me anything about our meta

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I have not looked at his scum games.

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lol worth it

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It's a soul read.

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You guys are right to be concerned though

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Did votato suggest you two form a townbloc or anything of the sort? Did he suggest you read each other as town? Did he suggest you two aim to stay alive or to team up?

no

[SleeperSoul]

my town is

pooky
raya
votato
tux
holden
bugspray

[SleeperSoul]

Sleeper, do you

feel

you have done anything to

deserve

a 100% town read from votato?

yes


He had drew and khan in his solve, town points.

I'm afraid of him pocketing me, scum points....

him not wanting to claim day 1 is the only other scummy thing about him but it was barely anything.

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The PT makes me think he's town.

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I guess he would have to be really good at faking and actually feeling the emotions of a townie to pocket my soul read.

If so, amazing pocket!

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Sleeper, do you

feel

you have done anything to

deserve

a 100% town read from votato?

yes


He had drew and khan in his solve, town points.

I'm afraid of him pocketing me, scum points....

him not wanting to claim day 1 is the only other scummy thing about him but it was barely anything.

I mean do you think you deserve to be town read so strongly

yes

[SleeperSoul]

It's like 'god put us in these games together so we would better be able hone in our intuition'.

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It feels like 'fate'.

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the thought of raya dying makes me sad

me too

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Sleeper, do you

feel

you have done anything to

deserve

a 100% town read from votato?

yes


He had drew and khan in his solve, town points.

I'm afraid of him pocketing me, scum points....

him not wanting to claim day 1 is the only other scummy thing about him but it was barely anything.

I mean do you think you deserve to be town read so strongly

yes

You really think you deserve to be 100% town read without a single doubt. This early in the game. I town read you but it would be insane to say you're 100% town.

I don't know but you are SOOOOOO town!

[SleeperSoul]

one of these things is not like the others

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fuck equity, just lynch scum

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It's going to be interesting when votato gets back

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sleeper i'm afraid your buddy votato is probly scum since he won't lynch his scumbuddy drew with us

so tommorrow gonna have to ask you to make the ultimate sacrifice for us ok?

ok sounds good to me

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sleeper i'm afraid your buddy votato is probly scum since he won't lynch his scumbuddy drew with us

so tommorrow gonna have to ask you to make the

ultimate sacrifice

for us ok?

I'm actually tearing up because I watched

https://youtu.be/bvouc8Qs_MI?t=62

earlier

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KASLAM!


lol that's townie right?

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haven't read anything here since my last post. have been PTing with votato

i don't think he's pocketed me

[SleeperSoul]

As of this moment I'm not okay with lynching votato d2

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Can you explain the tonal read logic you have on drew if it hasn't been explained yet

I dunno it feels like drew is trying to "invent" things instead of trying to figure out who is town.

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votato has been quiet in the PT so I hope he's coming up with something really townie to post here

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Last thing we talked about was how he thinks pooky is posting garbage, I said I agree but still feel he;s town. pooky pocket on me?

everyone pocket me!

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I mean I can see how pooky's posts could be interpreted as garbage. That was my first reaction. But pooky is town.

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Unless khan REALLY did resign because he thought he was outplayed, but used the excuse of being overgamed.

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Unless khan REALLY did resign because he thought he was outplayed, but used the excuse of being overgamed.

I doubt that

me too

[SleeperSoul]

me likey picture book better

pedit who is homura?

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me likey picture book better

pedit who is homura?

Homura is meant to say Holden. Played with a Homura elsewhere and it autoed

ok thought so, i concur

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votato, it's so cold here without you, come back!

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Heavensent reads are always fraught with doubt.... otherwise how would I improve my intuition and grow spiritually?

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God sent us to learn and grow.... if it was an easy read without any doubt, there would be nothing to learn about my intuition.

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Heavensent reads are always fraught with doubt.... otherwise how would I improve my intuition and grow spiritually?

God sent us to learn and grow.... if it was an easy read without any doubt, there would be nothing to learn about my intuition.

Step one: Queue Black Sabbath's Black Sabbath and Bloody Sabbath
Step two: Tell the spirits to piss off
Step three: ????
Step four: soild reads
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What I'm getting at is you are making a theater of it at this point. Anytime someone mentions something, you publically declare this self doubt. Furthermore, you implying doubt into the thread via asking him to come post in the thread and other stuff like that.

You sound like you are trying to be paranoid rather than actually are paranoid

It's more that I was feeling town's paranoia at the time... I'm not really paranoid about votato right now and I'm reading you very townie. I wish I had what it takes to convince you logically. I think your heart is in the right place.

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It's more that I was feeling town's paranoia at the time... I'm not really paranoid about votato right now and I'm reading you very townie. I wish I had what it takes to convince you logically. I think your heart is in the right place.

You guys

are right to be concerned though

^^^ Me feeling town's paranoia about votato more than my own.

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@Sleeper I thought Votato said you two know each other IRL. Is that true, or did I imagine that?

Not in

this

life.

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Yes or no is preferred.

Sorry, the technical answer is no.... But maybe you were imagining one of our other lives together?

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actually I have an idea

let's all vote for our favorite townpair of players

whichever townpair gets the most votes gets to live happily ever after and everyone else dies.

if that townpair is actually double town the entire town wins

easy peasy

great idea!
My favorite townpair is me and votato!

seriously though I'll be considering who else it could be.

pedit no tux, i don't have any alts

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Huh......you think Ray could be scum Tux?

Just wanna make sure I am hearing you correctly.

Ray scum, are you insane?

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oh sorry it's tux who doubts ray. weird

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sleeper is my lover and i feel like by now i can read sleeper decently well. we stay up all night whispering sweet nothings, and have experience from outside this game too.

This was the post I was thinking of. I assumed outside game experience referred to an IRL relationship.

@Votato what are you talking about here?

@Sleeper if you know, you can answer as well.

I think he was alluding to the timing of the specific moment/incident where our soul reads locked in. And our PT is a bit touchy feely.

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this game is hilarious

why isn't drew dead yet?

Because not everyone here is an idiot.

Pre Edit:

This setup makes it very difficult to win if your faction doesn't get the desired lynch on D1.

Such an Obvscum comment

Yeah this is where I get the feeling that he's "inventing" things. Like he's trying to

add fear

to the game instead of bring clarity.

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Yeah my town is also holden/tux. Drew what do you think about that?

Also re: inventing.... we probably just have very different ways of thinking, where I am extremely reductionist and you could be the opposite.

pedit is a meme account a bad thing?

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I'm starting to think drew could be town....

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I'm starting to think drew could be town....

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{Votato, Drew, Pooky/Bug} is my order rn

raya do you still think drew is scum?

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That's a horrible idea. don't trust me that much! Lol

I believe in you

after we lynch ScumDrew, we will lynch ScumVotato and if I'm wrong about one of those

I will hammer myself

so TuxedoHolden can live on happily ever after

lol come on

pedit a few more town points for drew

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{Votato, Drew, Pooky/Bug} is my order rn

raya do you still think drew is scum?

Yes. I'd be willing to go drew or votato although I'd prefer votato rn

Why not pookybug first?

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IE you just joined in to troll......awesome.

I'm not trolling

i'm lynching you because you're scum

You need the support of town to do that... try a little harder

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Ray and Sleeper both pivoting to Pooky is pinging the heck out of me. Pooky and Drew how do you feel about it?

Also Mini 2140 is warping my brain. All I glossed was MT had balls of steel for their gambit with Rampage.

I mean, my first read on pooky was bad, so....


Also why did you mention 2140?

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nvm tux I get it now

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Pooky I'm surprised you're 100% on me.

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I'm about 50/50 on pooky right now

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I can't remember if I'm voting or not

UNVOTE:

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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E64OI0FTnwU&t=67[/youtube]

VOTE: drew

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Yeah I was going to hammer earlier but I wanted to watch the drew vs pooky show.

And I didn't want to start the next day until I got some rest.

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I'm convinced that there must be scum between the two of them. votato has a better account of my live opinion. I'm sure he's town. I was willing to hammer either but votato wanted drew.

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Well, shit... For the record I wanted to hammer pooky first in my PT.

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I don't care, that was needless and poor form. I'm really annoyed right now. You've made this game much harder than it had to be. Wait for people to actually catch up next time. We had TWO days, but now you must deal with the very real possibility that Votato is scum. How do you feel about that?

I that votato could be scum, already threw a little shade in our pt but he hasn't responded yet

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@ tux I mean I can give you a quick list off the top of my head but I'm as certain at the order right now.

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*i meant not certain on the order

town

Tuxedo Mask
HoldenGolden

votato bugspray


PookyTheMagicalBear

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But why those reads?

That would take time....

The only change in my order since yesterday is that votato moved from top of the list to the middle because drew flipped town.

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It just seems your opinion of the game is easily swayed by what other players tell you. So I want your thoughts before someone does that.

That's fair, I can agree with that... Although I'm going to be swayed by opinions of everyone in the past as I try to give reasons for the list.

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I mean you and holden were my original totally self-realized puretown pair from right at the beginning of the game.

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In post 117, votato wrote:
ok my early solve is {genghis, drew}. sleeper is 100% town, and so far both tux and holden are weak townreads.


Yep, this makes sense. I also have the same reads on tux and holden.

This is the first time I mentioned my tuxholden puretown pair, but I had come to that conclusion independently of votato.

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@tux

115

in general shows me agreeing with you and holden a lot

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okay, not understand what is up with linking this specific post, but here's another go at it:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11914693

this shows me agreeing with tuxholden early. they were my first puretown pair

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Yep seems everyone agrees with that. The only question is if scum is you or votato.

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I don't want to rush through this day though.

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I mean I guess bugspray could be scum too. Maybe even more likely.

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We should kill in the most fun order.

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I wanna hear all the banter everyone has.

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pooky vs drew show was really fun to watch

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indeed, props to both of you

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@bugspray

say something funny to increase your pair's fun equity.

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pooky is the most fun though so pretty good equity already

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Pooky how do I make my youtube links look slick like yours? i wanna be cool too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAatPPEaZDA

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What's with the cockiness? We were wrong, extremely so.

Do you think holdem could be scum? I don't really

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yeah we should reassess

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lol sleepysoul is like a mirror, he just reflects whoever posted last before him

honestly sometimes I have trouble distinguishing between my own emotions and the emotions of others

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Me posting a ferguson gif doesn't mean that I don't think you're probably still top scum.

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we should probably try talking to everyone maybe?

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it doesn't matter.... one of you is scum

VOTE: pooky

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I'm not 100% town on votato. More like 95%. But we'll figure that out tomorrow.

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I'm not 100% town on votato. More like 95%. But we'll figure that out tomorrow.

There isn't going to be a tommorrow if my pair is the last pure-pair left bro

You're saying bugspray is townie? Neither of you are.

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I admit votato convinced me in pt to vote sooner than I really wanted to


but my reasons for not voting right away was just because I feel guilty about voting too soon last time

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Pooky you going back on your word by unvoting yourself pretty much prooves you are scum.

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That's a horrible idea. don't trust me that much! Lol

I believe in you

after we lynch ScumDrew, we will lynch ScumVotato and if I'm wrong about one of those

I will hammer myself

so TuxedoHolden can live on happily ever after

lol come on

I never believed you when promised to hammer yourself anyway

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very likely the 2 scum discussed a PLAN to quicklynch me since I'm sitting at L-3 - they have 2 scum votes and they just needed to snow 1 townie.

This is ridiculous. There is only 1 possible scum between me and votato.

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hammer is the last vote buddy

I never believed you when promised to hammer yourself anyway

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do you have reading issues or something?

The two scum (Tuxedo/Votato) discussed a plan to quicklynch me to win the game. To do that they needed to snow 1 towniie(that's you Sleeper) and convince that townie to vote me. So they first get 2 more votes on me from Votato/Sleeper since votato talks you into voting me, and then Tuxedo comes in from the shadows to hammer and win the game. But I'm TOO FUCKING FAST and I unvote myself before he can lay the hammer down.

this makes sense but based on the entire game I still think you're mafia

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I think me and votato are the pure pair

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UNVOTE:

GG? WHAT?

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that GG made me think you were claiming the win for having lynched the last pure pair

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If that's true, you and votato are mafia...

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If that's true, you and votato are mafia...

That was a hammer from scum Holden, sorry, my bad.

The first quote is not referring to the second one, the first quote is referring to this:

that GG made me think you were claiming the win for having lynched the last pure pair

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So I'm right?

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wow thanks for pocketing me votato lol

I don't feel bad, I'm impressed. I look forward to more games with you.

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So I'm right?

yes you are. props for figuring it out

It does seem a little too obvious to deserve props, but thanks

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I had my reads right on holden and drew. I was pretty sure drew was town but you manipulated me votato lol

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Oh no I was wrong on holden, no wonder.... I can't read.

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Tuxedo played great. He had literally the same idea I did early today about the gamestate. Had it not been for pork, it would of possibly spelled disaster.

Thank you daddy.

But this game got me salty not going to lie.

Why? Was it the MMA gifs?

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Wait till you all read all the batshit crazy nonsense I wrote to votato in our pt!

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I guess the mod is going to post all the pts here?

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I didn't lie about anything this game, btw. I may have misrepresented myself because of delusions, but I didn't lie.

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Hey it's my second game.... I was suspicious of the quicklynch but I didn't know how suspicious I should be. I don't really like the voting system here, I prefer the way votes happen in IRL mafia.

pedit that post threw me off because it was so much longer than all your other posts so that came across as scummy to me for whatever reason

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I really do need to gain a better grip on the 'logic' of mafia.

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It's hard for me to visualize all the possibilities. Next game I will try to imagine all possible permutations of mafia and analyze every case. Yeah practice does help. I feel like I'm a different person from when I started my first game.

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So can we all queue up for another game of this setup now? lol

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The best person to convince you of something is yourself after all

good advice. I just need to trust myself more.

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Theres also a really helpful guide for town play offsite that I can link if need be. Different system of play there, but I found it to he a good guide.

Please do, thank you!


Also, I guess if any one particular page of the wiki jumps out at you as something I should read, I wouldn't mind a link to that. That goes to anyone.

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The best person to convince you of something is yourself after all

good advice. I just need to trust myself more.

no, you should always listen to me. i always know best.

Okay well I queued up for the coalition game, so get ready for another sheepfest everybody!

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tyvm

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See, God was telling me how to win the game.... I should have made the "final sacrifice".

sleeper i'm afraid your buddy votato is probly scum since he won't lynch his scumbuddy drew with us

so tommorrow gonna have to ask you to make the

ultimate sacrifice

for us ok?

I'm actually tearing up because I watched

https://youtu.be/bvouc8Qs_MI?t=62

earlier

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So fuck any logic, that's how I get confused. lol

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I wish bugspray was more active.

And no, I'm not gonna fuck logic.

I just need to balance it in a consistent way with my intuition.

This is good advice, thanks holdem.

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@pooky That version of the post would have been way more convincing. Still don't know if I would have bought it, though.


Also, I should have known votato was scum when he wasn't on board with my plan of making the days longer 'just for fun and banter'.

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@pooky That version of the post would have been way more convincing. Still don't know if I would have bought it, though.


Also, I should have known votato was scum when he wasn't on board with my plan of making the days longer 'just for fun and banter'.

yea we almost had him

I knew you was a real G when you committed to the ultimate sacrifice

That's great! So there is a purpose to impulsively posting irrational things sometimes. (not NEVER)

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Or trusting coincidences/intuition.

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I wish we could play GO

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ohh.... you can! awesome!

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I like both. Chess is better for watching, GO is better for playing imo

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"If town, Pooky is the worst player I ever played with."



It was fun playing with you!

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oooh sorry didn't mean to stir the pot

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pooky be nice

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Pooky you're one of my favorite players to play with so don't feel bad.

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The link to my pt is still wrong, so I guess I'll just post it here???

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11912309

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Thanks for pairing me with votato, Beeboy!

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I mean.... I'm skimming over all this now, but it does have a lot of stuff I can learn from, soo...... drew vs pooky show must go on! hehe guilty pleasure

don't work yourselves up too much guys

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See, God was telling me how to win the game.... I should have made the "final sacrifice".

sleeper i'm afraid your buddy votato is probly scum since he won't lynch his scumbuddy drew with us

so tommorrow gonna have to ask you to make the

ultimate sacrifice

for us ok?

I'm actually tearing up because I watched

https://youtu.be/bvouc8Qs_MI?t=62

earlier

This is me attempting to create some documented evidence that my intuition does indeed work, although I didn't listen to it in that game.

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oops..... wrong thread lol

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See, God was telling me how to win the game.... I should have made the "final sacrifice".

sleeper i'm afraid your buddy votato is probly scum since he won't lynch his scumbuddy drew with us

so tommorrow gonna have to ask you to make the

ultimate sacrifice

for us ok?

I'm actually tearing up because I watched

https://youtu.be/bvouc8Qs_MI?t=62

earlier

This is me attempting to create some documented evidence that my intuition does indeed work, although I didn't listen to it in that game.