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Ah right of courseIn post 20, Marashu wrote:Hey word. Did you find my scum magnet? I seem to have lost it.- Deimos27
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Both are important, but I like initial even distributions since they're harder to return to later.
Regardless of which you prefer, self-voting is counterproductive because it denies info from the slot that is self-voting both in terms of their voting behaviour as well as from their reactions (since intentional artificial self-pressure isn't exactly notorious for coming from players that are likely to provide strongly AI reactions to said pressure).- Deimos27
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"Staying neutral" is an odd way to put it. I genuinely think my vote is currently in a good location, regardless of vote distributions.In post 84, Marashu wrote:In post 45, Deimos27 wrote:VOTE: word321
To create a favourable vote distribution that precipitates effective scumhunting, of course.
Mind running this one by me? Feels like you're trying to stay neutral and keep even distribution, but I don't see to what end.In post 58, Deimos27 wrote:UNVOTE:
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If you haven't heard why even distributions are good in RVS, I'd rather not explain it, since that can undermine the strength of the technique.- Deimos27
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I consider it obvious that unengaged, inactive players should be pressured to generate content so that they become easier to sort. And I'm not fixated on anyone. I thought pi would have been just as good as ceejay, but ceejay already had a vote on him.In post 123, word321 wrote:
except that was not the only time u played with cj; on Newbie 1998 u also played with cj, he opened the game with a oneliner vote and u opened the game late commenting about every player except cj, wich was town on that ocasion, so Im inclined to blv u r indeed aquatained enough with his playstyle to know his attitude is not alignment indicative nor will u get anything more for voting this early that guy. It is also a fact that effectiveness and optimality of a player r most of the time not related to his alignment too, so that is hardly an argument to heighten the scummness of a raw vote. So where does ur fixation for cj come from, rly?In post 99, Deimos27 wrote:Voting ceejay is cool.
Last time I played with him he was scum and I put him last on my PoE. Massive L.- Deimos27
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I'm not sure why you feel inclined to say sorry, but I'll expound on my initial statement there because it seems a little unclear still.In post 138, Midari Ikishima wrote:
I would say sorry but we both know what is happening here. Also why does it feel like there are a lot of just fluff in this game?In post 97, Deimos27 wrote:The lack of engagement with the game, despite there already being content to discuss,and voting outside the leading wagons. These things are off-putting to me.
What I'm looking for in RVS is people voting strategically and making comments that appear to come from a gamesolving disposition.
Pi's and ceejay's votes lacked this.- Deimos27
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Worcestershire, do you intend on playing the game?
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Specifically, have you rolled scum in forum mafia before?In post 167, Deimos27 wrote:Midari, what's your experience with mafia?- Deimos27
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A naked vote on Battle Mage wasn't much of a contributionIn post 170, Worcestershire wrote:I'm already playing.
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Why aren't you voting Tux, if he is your scumlean?In post 178, Marashu wrote:
Right now I've got Drew and votato as town. slight TL on word as well. Tuxedo Mask is giving me a gut scum ping. I'm having a hard time reading brass. Battle Mage is feeling off, but other people are saying this is normal play. Midari's play is erratic, but I'm gathering that some of that is a bit, and the on-topic posts have been pretty alright. Null pretty much everywhere else.In post 173, Deimos27 wrote:Marashu, you got any reads yet?- Deimos27
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I have openly upheld this opinion before and I can name the player I learned it from, which is LuckyLuciano. We are out of RVS so I can explain. Even distributions create possibly AI situations in who breaks the ties and how. This can then transition into wagons to create pressure. Immediate wagons are fine, but they bypass this extra step and the added info it can provide.In post 225, word321 wrote:either way, I still dnt buy completely deimos attitude. I feel the particular questions he has made r too generic in nature, too general, and easily replicable as scum to feign an investigation of sorts (im talkin about things like 48, 168 and 173 as the most generic, others can be replicable). Im also not convinced of the actual intent behind the even distribution of votes; do u have any game when u have openly upheld such an opinion?
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I was referring specifically to RVS wagons.In post 197, piisirrational wrote:
That depends on the context. If it so happened that four people voted a player because "well I wanted to" then that isn't giving us much game-related information. On the other hand, if someone gets voted by people early on for scumslipping, then that could be something that would be worth getting information from.In post 48, Deimos27 wrote:pi, how do you feel about early wagons?
Since this self-vote occurred in RVS, I'm annoyed that you're generalising it to any self-vote (this results in examples like scum self-hammers entering the picture and making the RVS self-vote look much worse than it actually is). This is besides the point at best and shading Midari at worst.In post 199, piisirrational wrote:
I feel like simply voting yourself would be something that would be done more by scum than by town, as scum would have more reasons to self-vote I think.In post 65, votato wrote:I've heard self- voting in rvs is almost always done by scum. Can anyone confirm that?- Deimos27
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Marashu, if you remembered this coming up in Newbie 2002, why did you need me to explain it again?In post 84, Marashu wrote:Mind running this one by me? Feels like you're trying to stay neutral and keep even distribution, but I don't see to what end.- Deimos27
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I think townleaning Worcestershire based off a naked vote against him is pretty nuanced and not the easiest to fake as scum. And his reasoning there is quite resonant with me, now that I believe I've caught onto it.In post 239, Doctor Drew wrote:Explain BM?
It's not a strong read.- Deimos27
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I had the same thought about the Midari wagon, Tux, but I've been holding on to it.In post 248, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
This was your wagon at its peak (correct me if I'm wrong), so I'll pose this question to the group is scum on this wagon. I think that's likely. If so, who and how many? My gut says just one, between Marshu and Word. That or the wagon looked to carry it's self well enough, and scum wanted to avoid it.In post 128, JacksonVirgo wrote:Midari Ikishima (5) - Tuxedo Mask, Midari Ikishima, Marashu, word321, Doctor Drew- Deimos27
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I usually pick up in this department as the game goes on.In post 249, Doctor Drew wrote:Also, Deimos......your posting seems less analytical this game(besides one of your earlier posts). I have a gut feel that you are just giving reads for the sake of giving out reads. I guess I feel you are not trying to sort. I dunno, need to interact more directly with you.
Please understand that I'm being just as analytical internally — the difference is in what I'm choosing to out at this stage of the game.- Deimos27
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Are you aware that I am quoting pi in that post? It has nothing to do with you, votato.In post 255, votato wrote:
uhm, not at all what i said. obviously scum self-hammers mostly come from caught scum. i'm talking about votes that aren't self-hammers though, particularly early votes or even RVS votes. FoS deimos for choosing such a bad way to defend the self-vote.In post 233, Deimos27 wrote:
Since this self-vote occurred in RVS, I'm annoyed that you're generalising it to any self-vote (this results in examples like scum self-hammers entering the picture and making the RVS self-vote look much worse than it actually is). This is besides the point at best and shading Midari at worst.In post 199, piisirrational wrote:
I feel like simply voting yourself would be something that would be done more by scum than by town, as scum would have more reasons to self-vote I think.In post 65, votato wrote:I've heard self- voting in rvs is almost always done by scum. Can anyone confirm that?- Deimos27
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I liked this from Midari. I think noobscum are more inclined to anti-omgus their voters but she brings up multiple possibilities for who the scum on her wagon might be and I have my own suspicions of word and pi so those resonate with me.In post 252, Midari Ikishima wrote:
I haven't sorted Marashu out yet roughly a null read at the moment. Word does seem scummy for other reasons and I don't believe there was more then one on my wagon. You could say Drew could be scum for the hop back onto it after not liking me posting anime gifs. I'mIn post 248, Tuxedo Mask wrote:This was your wagon at its peak (correct me if I'm wrong), so I'll pose this question to the group is scum on this wagon. I think that's likely. If so, who and how many? My gut says just one, between Marshu and Word. That or the wagon looked to carry it's self well enough, and scum wanted to avoid it.Fos: word
For the moment but I'm much happier and interested in Pii due to just not really doing much thus far and raising questions.- Deimos27
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Based on this post it does actually sound like she has off-site experience so maybe I should be more suspicious than I am.In post 188, Midari Ikishima wrote:
I have a few games on site if you wanted to look for meta. But I don't believe in meta. If that's what you are asking.In post 171, Deimos27 wrote:
Specifically, have you rolled scum in forum mafia before?In post 167, Deimos27 wrote:Midari, what's your experience with mafia?
I think we can all change the way we play from one side to another and has no bearing.
And I've been scum before and I've been town and some PRs.- Deimos27
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I was quite unsatisfied with the lack of engagement from other players. I'm glad to see that there's at least about two pages of content since yesterday.In post 295, votato wrote:deimos, are you enjoying this game so far? give details
I'm having marginally less fun playing mafia in general in the last few days, mainly because I'm the kind of person who obsesses about one thing at a time at the expense of all other commitments and right now I'm studying contemporary metaethics.
If you are hoping to glean AI content from this post I'm sorry to disappoint you because I can tell that the reason you're asking me this is because I mentioned last game that I don't like playing scum. And I can confirm for you that I am enjoying this game more than I would be as scum, that's for sure.- Deimos27
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This is word for word what I said during D1 of Newbie 2002 after my V/LA and it's slightly disturbing.In post 328, Marashu wrote:Big bad catch-up post:
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How do you reach the conclusion that scum was on both MidariIn post 328, Marashu wrote:I think it's very likely that scum was on the Midari wagon and that scum is on the Pi wagon. Unless the scumteam is completely in {piisirattional,votato,brassherald,Worcestershire} scum was on at least one of those wagons.
Looking at the Pi wagon, I'm not liking the way cj and BM joined the wagon.andon Pi?- Deimos27
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I want to extend my sincerest gratitude to you Drew for describing me as charming, because I believe that makes you the first person in my entire life, excluding my current girlfriend, to express that opinion.In post 294, Doctor Drew wrote:I need to read through the early part of the cultd3 game, maybe my judgment is clouded because I was scum that game but your posts here lack that Deimos charm I remember.
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