Open 784 - Hard-Boiled (Town Wins!)
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Do you like the impression?
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Not in our experience.In post 65, votato wrote:I've heard self- voting in rvs is almost always done by scum. Can anyone confirm that?- Tuxedo Mask
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Naw, I'm talking about Treestump.In post 68, votato wrote:
are you talking about the game where i claimed scum post 1? i think thats evidence in my favor here...In post 67, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
Not in our experience.In post 65, votato wrote:I've heard self- voting in rvs is almost always done by scum. Can anyone confirm that?- Tuxedo Mask
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Wanna explain the difference to me? I don't see it.In post 71, votato wrote:i think the circumstances there were a bit different, and that was only semi-RVS- Tuxedo Mask
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We're talking about the Treestump game we played where a townie self voted on like page 2.In post 81, votato wrote:What do you mean in "our" experience?- Tuxedo Mask
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Yes.In post 87, Marashu wrote:
By "we" and "our" are you referring to yourself and votato?In post 86, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
We're talking about the Treestump game we played where a townie self voted on like page 2.In post 81, votato wrote:What do you mean in "our" experience?- Tuxedo Mask
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I'll never forgive you for what you did to me on Page 8.In post 156, ceejayvinoya wrote:
I think I could be forgiven for doing that on page 2...In post 155, Marashu wrote:
Says the person who opened with the exact same post...In post 153, ceejayvinoya wrote:Good job Worcestershire. You gottem.- Tuxedo Mask
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I enjoy joking around with them. Also based on how our last game went, I sort of want to test this game as a ripple out from Drew in the center if that makes sense?In post 172, Marashu wrote:Tuxedo Mask, why are you so focused on Drew?- Tuxedo Mask
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NOTHING!In post 178, Marashu wrote: PEdit
Ok, and what have you found from it?Tuxedo Mask wrote:
I enjoy joking around with them. Also based on how our last game went, I sort of want to test this game as a ripple out from Drew in the center if that makes sense?In post 172, Marashu wrote:Tuxedo Mask, why are you so focused on Drew?
(That's not fully true, because I am getting off vibes with Drew having a reputation for being scum read and is just being ignored so far.)- Tuxedo Mask
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Reread the game, this was untrue. You are the center of lots of discussions this game, I guess I got that vibes because I don't really know how people feel about you? Like it seems you aren't being scum read, but I don't think I see any town reads either. Guess just felt off to me. You're there a lot but I don't know what people think of you.In post 187, Doctor Drew wrote:What do you mean about being ignored though?- Tuxedo Mask
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I'm trying new things, and am having a spot of trouble with my reads. Also, the Midari wagon has seemed to stall out, so I wanna see where traction picks up.In post 202, Doctor Drew wrote:
You seem to want rvs to keep going.In post 201, Tuxedo Mask wrote:VOTE: BrassCJ didn't do anything page 8, therefore he can't see the future, therefore he's a liar.- Tuxedo Mask
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Wanna share, or are these more day 2 secrets?In post 204, votato wrote:hmmm i think i have figured out something important about this game- Tuxedo Mask
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If that's the case, then I may need to reevaluate a few things.In post 206, votato wrote:
so i think this game is divided into two factions. the good guys and the bad guys. we have to figure out who the bad guys are and kill them before they kill usIn post 205, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
Wanna share, or are these more day 2 secrets?In post 204, votato wrote:hmmm i think i have figured out something important about this game- Tuxedo Mask
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That just blew my mind. UNVOTE: BrassIn post 209, ceejayvinoya wrote:
I have failed him by not posting on page 8. That's why I'll never be forgiven. SadIn post 201, Tuxedo Mask wrote:VOTE: BrassCJ didn't do anything page 8, therefore he can't see the future, therefore he's a liar.- Tuxedo Mask
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Is it? I've correctly sorted people before based on how others read them. And my overall point is that Drew is famously scum read, but I don't think its even been a hinted read by any other player, so what does that mean? He could actually be scum this time, the player list has enough experience with him to not fall into that trap, perhaps?In post 211, brassherald wrote:
Actually bothering to read this, it is good posting.l and makes a good point in the middle.In post 193, Marashu wrote:
I guess partly because I'm distracted, and partly because I had asked questions and was waiting for answers in case they changed my opinions.In post 185, Deimos27 wrote: Why aren't you voting Tux, if he is your scumlean?
Ok, but, why should other people's reads on Drew matter to you? I was asking what you learned about other people by focusing on Drew, not what you learned about Drew by what other people are saying about him.In post 191, Tuxedo Mask wrote: Reread the game, this was untrue. You are the center of lots of discussions this game, I guess I got that vibes because I don't really know how people feel about you? Like it seems you aren't being scum read, but I don't think I see any town reads either. Guess just felt off to me. You're there a lot but I don't know what people think of you.
VOTE: Tuxedo
I've heard before that longer days are typically better for scum, and from the games I've played as scum, town performed better in the games with shorter early games.In post 192, Midari Ikishima wrote:Ah so like most newbie games then when we get bloated.
VOTE: Tuxedo Mask
What's the scum motivation to my actions?- Tuxedo Mask
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If you have questions I'm here. What conversation would you like to have about me? What concerns you about things drifting off me?In post 240, ceejayvinoya wrote:The way the conversation has drifted away from tuxedo mask is slightly concerning, though perhaps there is nothing more to be discussed about him.
I agree with a piisirrational wagon though. I haven't seen them post anything related specifically to this game yet.
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Because I am unsure of other's reputation, but Drew's is to be scum read. So the current state is an abnormality, I am trying to identify why. Is the abnormality in their play, or in how other's treat them? Is that abnormality nefarious?In post 243, ceejayvinoya wrote:
Just one. Are you suggesting that the lack of reads towards drew would help in determining his alignment? How does this differ from anyone else? Am curious.In post 242, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
If you have questions I'm here. What conversation would you like to have about me? What concerns you about things drifting off me?In post 240, ceejayvinoya wrote:The way the conversation has drifted away from tuxedo mask is slightly concerning, though perhaps there is nothing more to be discussed about him.
I agree with a piisirrational wagon though. I haven't seen them post anything related specifically to this game yet.
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If the dropping in content around me made you uncomfortable, why did you jump on the new hotness wagon?- Tuxedo Mask
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Nothing strong so far, which doesn't feel great. I think I'm getting townie pings from Votato, Drew, Deimos and Midari. Those are the only things strong enough to mention.In post 245, Midari Ikishima wrote:What are your other reads Tux?
Though I also think your wagon stalling out is interesting.
This was your wagon at its peak (correct me if I'm wrong), so I'll pose this question to the group is scum on this wagon. I think that's likely. If so, who and how many? My gut says just one, between Marshu and Word. That or the wagon looked to carry it's self well enough, and scum wanted to avoid it.In post 128, JacksonVirgo wrote:Midari Ikishima (5) - Tuxedo Mask, Midari Ikishima, Marashu, word321, Doctor Drew- Tuxedo Mask
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It's a town read, I feel I've made myself clear here. What posts have made my view confusing? My issue isn't with scum reading Drew, it's that everyone (including myself) seems to be town reading them. So I wanna know what's up with that.In post 255, votato wrote:why do you townread drew? your posts suggested that you were skeptical of the drew townread, and now you're expressing said townread? which is it?- Tuxedo Mask
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I'm here. I was going to apply a pressure vote to Pi, but saw they were at L-2. So I don't think L-1 is worth it. What would you like to discuss? I think Midari's most recent posts were weird.In post 281, Deimos27 wrote:Anyone online?- Tuxedo Mask
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I like this answer.In post 271, brassherald wrote:
I don't know, but at the same time, and more importantly to me, I don't know what the town motivation is, either.In post 241, Tuxedo Mask wrote:What's the scum motivation to my actions?- Tuxedo Mask
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Calling Drew clueless here feels TMI in my opinion. I would understand this statement coming from town if Midari and Drew were having a big disagreement over someone's alignment, but no one has taken a very strong stance this game. So saying Drew comes off as clueless, implies she knows something about his slight reads that we don't.In post 261, Midari Ikishima wrote:
It's not even a reason. I've got you town leaning here. And I don't plan on changing that. Just like I feel Drew is town but a bit clueless.In post 254, Tuxedo Mask wrote:@Midari, if you're only reason for not voting me is because you think this my first game outside of the Newbie lobby, then you're mistaken. I have a handful of finished micros. Also, who's alignment have I found out?- Tuxedo Mask
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That could be an explanation, or they thought Drew could get his own wagon going without scum influence. Honestly, I don't have an explanation I feel strongly about at the moment.In post 328, Marashu wrote:
I think I see. You're basically saying that, if Drew hasn't changed, then it could be that mafia is not only not framing him but is actively pushing him as town? From the fact that you are townreading Drew, does this mean you think that they are trying to pocket him?In post 244, Tuxedo Mask wrote: Because I am unsure of other's reputation, but Drew's is to be scum read. So the current state is an abnormality, I am trying to identify why. Is the abnormality in their play, or in how other's treat them? Is that abnormality nefarious?
Could you explain the townping on Midari?In post 248, Tuxedo Mask wrote: Nothing strong so far, which doesn't feel great. I think I'm getting townie pings from Votato, Drew, Deimos and Midari. Those are the only things strong enough to mention.
I liked how they handled their wagon, and they had some posts that I liked tonally. But I wouldn't currently consider them in my town list.
Pedit: Word get back here and push my wagon.- Tuxedo Mask
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Save your ass from what? I think you guys are handling it well. Also, I think I'm going to hold onto my vote a little longer, give some of the none entities time to post. But if I was to do it right now, I'd toss it on Midira.In post 354, Battle Mage wrote:Tux, vote Marashu and save my ass again!- Tuxedo Mask
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Yeah, I got that, but are you trying to find out if I'm a PR again?In post 364, Battle Mage wrote:
I was referring to our previous game together, and hoping we could re-kindle our victorious partnership (where you essentially won us the game).In post 356, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
Save your ass from what? I think you guys are handling it well. Also, I think I'm going to hold onto my vote a little longer, give some of the none entities time to post. But if I was to do it right now, I'd toss it on Midira.In post 354, Battle Mage wrote:Tux, vote Marashu and save my ass again!- Tuxedo Mask
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That's what I hope, but this being when and how you try to interact with me feels off. Like when you say specifically for me to "save you again" and saying "I won the game" when both of those things only happened because I was the Jailkeeper feels very weird to me. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but you're just giving me the hibbie jibbies right now.In post 370, Battle Mage wrote:
....erm, no? what would give you that idea?In post 369, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
Yeah, I got that, but are you trying to find out if I'm a PR again?In post 364, Battle Mage wrote:
I was referring to our previous game together, and hoping we could re-kindle our victorious partnership (where you essentially won us the game).In post 356, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
Save your ass from what? I think you guys are handling it well. Also, I think I'm going to hold onto my vote a little longer, give some of the none entities time to post. But if I was to do it right now, I'd toss it on Midira.In post 354, Battle Mage wrote:Tux, vote Marashu and save my ass again!
I'm simply keen to enlist your vote to help put pressure on Marashu, and also to see if you can join my town block of awesomeness.
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Can you explain what you mean here?In post 377, superbowl9 wrote:Can someone who townreads votato give me a reason why (Drew, Marashu, Tuxedo)?- Tuxedo Mask
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What can I do to get you to stop shaking in my pocket?In post 376, Doctor Drew wrote:People seem to be coming around as Tux as town, but I dunno. I do get a vibe that is pocketing me and I can't shake it.
@MOD Marashu is on the VC twice, one of which is voting themselves.
What's up worsch? What are your strongest reads right now?
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It can be adjusted by there not being a Vig. The person who got Vig can choose to be a tracker instead, and since this is the public plan then it's safe to assume they will/should.In post 554, Worcestershire wrote:As I understand it, there are three possibilities:
1- Choose a mafia and die.
2- Choose a vigilante and die.
3- Choose a victim and die together if visited by mafia/vigilante.
The only problem is that in two of these three scenarios the vigilante distorts the expected result, which can lead to a misinterpretation of the facts, especially in possibility 2. If that could be adjusted, it would be a good plan.
What's with the uptick in activity? You connecting with the game now? What are your reads?
Anything to add Brass?- Tuxedo Mask
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Roles are page 1. Town has a hider, a half tracker half vig (chosen), and a half cop half psychologist (random).In post 559, Worcestershire wrote:So there are two roles in one ?
I have a little more time available today. I still have Marashu as a suspect and now my impression of Battle Mage has improved more significantly (as town). Good impressions about Superbowl and Word too.
Are there specific reasons for these reads? Any posts you can share?- Tuxedo Mask
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No, you're right. It's definitely not super weird that he basically lurks the entire day, but then suddenly just gets really into talking about NAI theory stuff. You just buy that they suddenly dumbtell in the middle of it too? Do you lose town points for then giving answers to Worsh that I had already given too? Also really, Brass does nothing and also just shows up to talk NAI mechanics stuff, while ignoring a question I asked them, and they're fine?In post 567, Battle Mage wrote:
-0.5 townie points for trying to appear helpful here, when someone else had already referenced the OP above.In post 561, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
Roles are page 1. Town has a hider, a half tracker half vig (chosen), and a half cop half psychologist (random).In post 559, Worcestershire wrote:So there are two roles in one ?
I have a little more time available today. I still have Marashu as a suspect and now my impression of Battle Mage has improved more significantly (as town). Good impressions about Superbowl and Word too.
Are there specific reasons for these reads? Any posts you can share?
-0.5 townie points for asking inane questions about a townie's town-read on other townies, without a clear purpose.
You're slipping away from me Tux...
So I should just drop it and not ask him to explain his reads, cool.- Tuxedo Mask
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Spoiler:
1.I'm asking him because he hasn't explained a single read this game. Even if you think I was trying to trap him, I see no reason why you should step in this soon to stop it. Instead, you've basically given him carte blanche to no substantiating reads. I don't see how it benefits the game in the slightest. Also you can see that you're wrong as I also asked questions of Brass. Obviously, they were more general, but that's because Brass' latest posts have been dead empty.
2. I'll wait till you call out Brass then. Since you just chose to go after me that comes off like a mild endorsement of Brass, I.E. you see no problem with how they've been playing with their last few posts.- Tuxedo Mask
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[/spoiler]In post 572, Battle Mage wrote:
1. He's in my townbloc, and you aren't. So you are more likely to be scum, and the burden of proof is on you to explain your actions first. You should worry less about what "benefits the game" and more about what is meant to be your job - hunting scum and proving you ain't scum. You haven't dealt with my points above - why did you feel the need to exaggerate the reasons for questionning Worcestershire here? Honesty is your friend if you're town, and your post was not honest - you were under a modicum of scrutiny and going way OTT to sell us on it.
2. If I endorse someone, you'll know about it. If you read my posts anyway.
They are apparently in the townbloc after I asked them questions, so you're working backward there. Again is the sole reason they are in it for the dumb tell? Benefiting the game is putting info out there so it is easier to scum hunt, I honestly don't know what you're getting at. How does protecting someone from having to do the monumental task of explaining their own reads help me scum hunt? As for the other stuff I didn't see how to answer it other than, that's how I talk? Like just read my posts, I speak in this manner. Do you not think the day is nearing to a close? A widly scum read slot is a L-2 and people are discussing the best way to do night actions. And even if day 1 went for another hundred pages it wouldn't make me saying someone did something "all day" wrong, that's not how time works. At the point of that post that was the furthest the day had gone, meaning every post before that was "all day" so when I say someone did something "all day" it means all their posts up till now. Why do I have to explain this?
Follow up, sorry I sound annoyed, but it would help if you dropped the condescending tone in your posts. It just bothers me a whole lot, at least not sticking in the emojis as well when you talk to me would be greatly appreciated.- Tuxedo Mask
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Why?In post 631, Marashu wrote:I think I've come around on Tuxedo- Tuxedo Mask
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I got not much at the moment. I think the Midari case looks good, I guess I just feel weird that game keeps coming back 'round to that. I don't know if that's just because they're obvscum, or real scum really wants to push their mislynch. I'm going to check if there are any reoccurring presences on their wagon.In post 611, word321 wrote:
I swear, this was a coincidence. But feel freee to talk. Give ur take on the game. Who looks suspicious or overly opportunistic?In post 609, Tuxedo Mask wrote:So I don't know how to engage with this game, because apparently everything I've said recently isn't even worth addressing from most players. People wanna give me the rundown of Midari and Marashu and why I should choose one over the other?- Tuxedo Mask
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Spoiler: Wagon's a history
Okay, what did I learn here? Drew and Word are bigs fans of the Midari wagon both returning to it. More interesting is the Pi and Marashu wagon has lots of cross over, but no one from the Midari wagon joins either, excluding Midari themselves and Battlemage who comes on at the end. Someone smart tell me what this means.- Tuxedo Mask
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Famous last words.In post 701, votato wrote:i think we should ban word.
I think I feel better about a Marshu lynch than a Penguin one at this point.
(Redacted Question: was going to ask PP why the feel less energetic than when they replaced into Brass, but their excuse is pretty good.)
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For me? I'm sheeping Superbowl, I liked their reasons for voting Marashu. His points about Marashu pivoting to Nash was something that specifically stood out to me.In post 754, Aristophanes wrote:
Okay, you I like! This is very funny!In post 752, Tuxedo Mask wrote:VOTE: Marashu
Welcome.
Pedit: Anime is trash, I'd never be connected with something so cringe. We should make an anti-anime town block.
Could you fill me in on why Marashu is now at El-2?
(I'm trying out new terms) (I chose "El" because it is pronounced the same in my head as "L" and stands easily in for "Elimination") (I can use "H" is that is the standard this game tho)
I need to reengage into this game and plan on doing a reread, but I think it would be a good use of my energy to wait till after a flip/when the replacements have had more time in the game.
My only hesitation on Marashu is that the same group of players got a lot of traction on wagons for Marashu and Pi. So something pings me about that and kind of makes me feel it is scum Midari/PP indictive, but I've never done VCA before so I don't feel too strong in that gut feeling.
Anyways, I can deal with this all tomorrow. Let's just move on.
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Yeah, I get that. Same as doing association reads preflips, but still got that feeling in my gut you know? The competing wagons are so oddly segregated in voters.In post 812, Aristophanes wrote:VCA isn't a D1 thing dw Tuxedo.- Tuxedo Mask
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Tell me about it. I didn't get to sleep till 7 am last night (which would today.)In post 818, Deimos27 wrote:And by "play the game" I mean read up and maybe give superficial thoughts because it's high-key almost 5am and I need sleep lmaooooo- Tuxedo Mask
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What's the benefit of not voting someone out today?In post 825, Nash wrote:
You have a point about outing all the PRs. Still, it's sub optimal scum play to claim VT there.In post 798, Battle Mage wrote:i'm fine with marashu claiming, only on the proviso that if he claims vanilla we actually lynch him. I'm fking sick of these setups where we just run up a bunch of people and out all the PRs.
VOTE: NO ELIMINATION is the best alternative because we can't risk losing mechanical info like you said.- Tuxedo Mask
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I guess what's the benefit of not voting someone out over not killing Marashu anyways? I get the hesitation to not out PRs but like if you look at it logically if that's your hang up then no elimination should just be your stance day 1 or Marashu sort of must to die, right?
P:edit I think Marashu has a good chance to be town too, but with the logic that it's antiscum to not faow claim that means there is a very slim chance that trying to vote someone out day 1 doesn't result in the death of a pr, right?
Either you hit scum and they fake claim, likely outing the real pr.
You hit pr outing them.
Or you hit VT narrowing the the POE for scum. That's also assuming scum don't have some reason that they'd want to do a VT claim here.
I just mean if that's why you want to no elimination, I feel you should have always wanted it over any votes as there is no path that doesn't lead us here or to a dead pr. Scum aren't going to claim scum after all.- Tuxedo Mask
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