Micro 952 - The Coalition: ItGBSMoD [game over!]

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dc are you scum?

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we also won't know how many scum are in the coalition yes? So that's a bad plan there pooky.

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my coalition is up to two people. Donc's plan is a maybe. Sounds boring though

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Sleeper you're doing pretty well for your first scum game

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yeah, that's what sleeper is saying. Based on guns and roses id say you put ego before winning.

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With every vc, i gain more respect for George bailey

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have you already sorted me pooky? or do i need to do more?

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have you already sorted me pooky? or do i need to do more?

Is this real? As in do you think pooky should be able to have a read on you already?

yes.

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i have already sorted pooky with 90% accuracy.

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Also a question I was thinking about pregame and would like some opinions on: Say we fail this day one. Is it best to lynch inside the Coli day 1 or go outside it to see if-you know what the more I type out this post the more stupid I feel nevermind
pedit: I can't tell if this is a joke

we arent gonna discuss day 2 because it could help scum to discuss it now.
its serious. welcome to the coalition, pooky.

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im a bit disappointed in tuxedo clover and sleeper atm. but they cant all be scum.

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HEAL: Deimos

HEAL: Alduskkel

HEAL: Clover

HEAL: Sleeper

HEAL: Tux

thats an interesting list. to me none of those people are obvtown. maybe deimos? but no its too early to say for deimos. actually, deimos is leaning the other way at this early stage.

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tux i know i was dirty scum in lovers. but you have to forgive me! i cant control what role Pm i got there, although i would be lying if i said i were displeased with it.

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we arent gonna discuss day 2 because it could help scum to discuss it now.

How so?

explaining that would help scum. you trying to bait me into explaining it makes me think you're scum.

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we arent gonna discuss day 2 because

it could help scum

to discuss it now.

If this is actually true, town points for votato

If you don't know, why say anything?

I dunno, because I'm a tinfoil hat nutter? And it's also kind of a reaction test, isn't it?

votato I'm not obvtown yet?

no not yet because there's something i want you to be doing that you arent.

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it could be my fault that you arent doing it.

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yes. talking about scum's optimal strategy only helps scum at this stage. insisting that we discuss scum's optimal strategy and in fact trying to goad me into explaining what i think that strategy is, is scummy.

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once we get to day 2 we should discuss day 2. until then i think its counterproductive. imho.

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see pocketing you would be a good strat if i knew your alignment. I suspect that I know it, but im not yet sure.

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I'm pretty sure Votato is town for this stance I am just very confused on how he got to it.
pedit: But that wasn't what I was asking. (Or at least was going to ask) I was talking about what we should do day 2 if it reaches that point. I don't see why that is an issue. Besides, unless scum are rookies I don't think it's a stretch to say they already have an idea on what they want to do.

if scum knows what town is going to do on day 2 they can plan around it or at least set up a massive WIFOM pitfall. better to leave such discussions for day 2.

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it could be my fault that you arent doing it.

I think maybe votato needs me to 'be serious and try harder', and it's his fault for showing me how to win the game in a lighthearted manner

oh interesting. because i showed you how to win the game as scum by being lighthearted. but not as town. thats not it though, but VERY HMMMMM...

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you're welcome to be lighthearted. what are your reads sleeper?

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nah, go on, give it a go. its page 6, its understandable if your reads are weak. shoot your shot.

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ok well you dont have to reveal any other reads. lets just work with the pooky read. what pinged you about pooky?

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lol

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yeah its probably black beans, but could be marmite... whatever that australian stuff is called.

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I mean, we town read eachother while 'fighting' last game.... So him not wanting to do it this game came off as AI. you think it's NAI?

For it to be a true fight, there must be consequences - life and death -lynch or let live. Without the danger there can be no information gained.

Well, this makes sense. I'd vote you now to stir up shit but I'm legit 50/50 on you right now. Maybe 51% town.

what changed?

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bugspray was pretty easy to read as town

he literally wasn't even there lol

i mean thats pretty good cover to hide behind as scum too though.

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fortunately, in this game we can simply exclude bugspray from the coalition.

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sleeper, if you were scum who would your buddy be?

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HEAL: Pooky
HEAL: votato
HURT: Sleeper
HURT: Clover
Here's where I'm at.

these are my reads which makes me skeptical

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if Sleepersoul was scum this is what he would look like:

can we lynch this gif?

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@Votato, is the thing you want Sleeper to do to prove they're town sheeping you?

hell no

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I don't have a town read of Pooky, they said in Lovers that they post way less as scum. And while they're posting more than many others in this game, they are posting way less than themselves. They are also being way less confrontational.

Game's been up for what, 10 hours? And he has 33 posts. I don't know how much he usually posts, but that looks pretty solid to me.
What do you mean by being less confrontational?

thats actually more than usual, although sleeper is active generally, and may still be hyped from our love last game.

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votato can you respond to this please

Pretty significant progression to go from Deimos is maybe obvtown to Deimos is leaning "the other way" (I assume that means scum). Walk me through your thought process there?

eh you've corrected that since. you were being too shitposty/silly and i got pinged. you can be town, at least for now. im ok with twinning with you

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Datisi getting HYPE in the mod pt rn if I’m right or making fun of me if I’m not

id buy those but add deimos to the townpool

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if Sleepersoul was scum this is what he would look like:

can we lynch this gif?

lol!
I mean, it's pretty accurate....

how would you know without being scum?

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Votato you're in the leading Coalition right now

how do you feel about it?

i like the coalition, but im more confident in deimos than in clover.

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HEAL: votato
HEAL: pooky
HEAL: DC
HEAL: deimos
HEAL: sleeper
HEAL: datisi

thats my order rn. datisi prolly needs the heal most

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based on what?

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ok, i didnt want to be the one to call out Koba because they would insist it was personal bias, but yeah.

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I have my vote on you because I know this town will be stubborn and not switch but when it inevitably fails you will be the first to go!

ok when this coalition wins the game on day 1 I'm gonna be sitting on a beach sipping a mai-tai while your scum butt is on the first boat out

if the coalition is all town then I win anyways so idc.

but I'm going to fight my way onto it by replacing the scummiest slots on it whether you like it or not.

Who else has got that “never letting koba into the coalition feeling” tonight?

hi yes you called? what can i do for you?

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Votato I get the vibe that you don’t care much either way if you’re in the coalition

that is accurate. i know im town but im pretty confident in other people too. there are enough people who have biases against me or who just lost to me as scum and are very skeptical that i dont know if im a viable coalition member. it might be better for town if im not in the coalition, especially come day 2 if theres scum in there.

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the VC has me healing DK. i dont think thats accurate, but maybe i made an error. same with alduksel.

HURT: koba
HURT: alduksel
HEAL: DonC
HEAL: clover

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More makes me worry that if you’re scum that we do have a deepscum in already

why? wouldnt scum want to be in the coalition just as much? wouldnt scum maybe even want both members to be in? i feel like ive towntold pretty strongly this game. pooky can confirm that.

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hmmm koba is sheeping my reads based on the inaccurate VC but wasnt sheeping my actual reads. interesting

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wouldnt scum maybe even want both members to be in?

Categorically no, optimal strategy for scum is to only have 1 member in

thats only true if we are informed how many scum are in the coalition. my understanding is that we are only told whether or not theres scum in the coalition.

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hmmm koba is sheeping my reads based on the inaccurate VC but wasnt sheeping my actual reads. interesting

are we really going to play this game?

why did you initially heal alduksel?

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I'm not counting the heals in 374 as votato's coalition already had 5 players and he didn't remove anyone from it.

@datisi: am i missing something? according to the VC the two people i hurt are being healed by me...

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I'm not counting the heals in 374 as votato's coalition already had 5 players and he didn't remove anyone from it.

@datisi: am i missing something? according to the VC the two people i hurt are being healed by me...

votato [5]:

votato, PookyTheMagicalBear, DonCorleone, Deimos27, SleeperSoul

This is your current recorded coalition, did I miscount?

oh i see, i didnt know how to read the VC. i thought that the following each name was who was healing that person. nevermind, you are good. that's accurate.

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HURT: DonCorleone
HEAL: Alduskkel

eggs, plain

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@DonC you have played with me at least once before. have you ever seen me care how other people read me? why do you think this would be any different?

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another one

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actually no I have alduskkel now because of PoE LOL

ya my scum PoE is Deimos, Pooky, and Don

how have you managed to put at least 2 but prolly 3 townies in your 3 person PoE?

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tux you say sleeper is town being pocketed, yet you arent voting sleeper. why not?

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this is why koba is on my WoTC list, yet they keep replacing into games im in. the game automatically becomes less fun. luckily koba is obvscum this game, so the lynch should bring happiness, if we even get to that stage.

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And what is "less fun".. the fact I am engaging and questioning people and getting the game moving? You flopped in CultD3 and seemed like you were trying to play cult wincon by not trying. (you're welcome for the hardcarry btw). just admit that you are incapable of reading people yet. you can learn but you aren't there yet bud. read the other games and look at your mistakes.

when you say "flopped" you mean i was away from my computer for an evening 24 hours into the game and got lolhammered? yes im sorry for my terrible play and awful reads in that game where i identified cult and the recruit without reading the thread. oops.

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It’s really not you in particular, it feels like there’s a new player the same as you who pops up every couple of months thinking they’re hot shit with the best reads ever seen only to just... not be that

actually im the new player who just popped up in the last few months who is hot shit. you're welcome for being here, mafiascum community.

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I don’t think votato makes out that he’s hot shit

My bad on the pronouns, I’m trying to stick to they/them

wrong. im the hottest shit there is. did you know i've won half or more of my towngames?

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well are you going to explain why I'm "obvscum" votato?

you play a certain way as VT. this aint it. last game i picked up on similar things, but you were PR. this game you're playing differently again, and the game is mountainous. so thats a heavy scumping. your reads are the opposite of what they should be. and town was getting along great and cooperating until you joined and started stirring shit up. thats sooooo anti-town, and you're a good enough player that you should know better. your ego is tremendous (shocked theres room for the whole thing in this small thread), so thats part of why you feel the need to stir the pot, but its beyond that. you usually run gambits and stir the pot with a purpose. here you're stirring the pot just because.

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also, DC, look at my avatar. is that the avatar of someone who takes things lightly and jokes? no. its the avatar of the most serious, get-down-to-business, no-nonsense, 40-foot-pole-up-butt hardass ever to walk the surface of this planet.

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What is the way I play as VT?

what should my reads be?

oh sorry I wanted to question the current "towncore" because I'm not going to let a coalition hammer without discussion, and I most definitely feel I up the chances of a town win with myself on it.

You INSIST you know how to read me but continue to fail at it.

Can you just acknowledge that I can read a board state and act differently based on what is going on?
What things are pinging you that I'm not doing? I don't always run gambits unless there's a mechanical reason to.

And give me an explaination for every player you have Healed right now in your coalition.

all the explanations are there in my ISO. if you have specific questions you can ask. ive seen you repeatedly talk a big game, but ive yet to see you solve any games (you always pop up in the dead thread or postgame and say "i would have solved that!!") the exception is cult where the solve was pretty easy and you were in a hydra.

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your ISO does not have any explanations for who you have healed so far.

votato I see you active elsewhere on site in a non game topic, why won't you come explain?

cuz it isnt productive.

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your ISO does not have any explanations for who you have healed so far.

votato I see you active elsewhere on site in a non game topic, why won't you come explain?

im not gonna let you derail the game.

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lol. if anyone else has doubts, ill happily explain.

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Do you think you are playing to your wincon right now acting like this?

obviously or i wouldnt do it. not cooperating with the person derailing town is clearly playing to town wincon.

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I am 100% confident you are just grudging me at this point as town to spite me because this is your terrible town game I am seeing. And you better bet that other people at this table shouldn't be letting your recent interaction with me slide.

are you fucking kidding? multiple people have called you out for your gameplay since you repped in. how are you so unaware?

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The only other person who really feels the same way abt me rn is Pooky and their slot also looks bad rn in terms of how they are reading the game. So don't even give me that.

what is a doncorleone, even?

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so what youre saying is that in this micro where there are only two scum, at least three people from the towncore are scumreading you. so that means that a) 100% chance at least some townies are telling you to sit down b) you are messing with the flow of the game and are making it harder for town.

please stay away from games where you see me on the playerlist.

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is the only reason you joined this game to harass me?

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I'm sorry if shutting down your awful logic and pointing out your lies is harassment to you but I will continue to do it as it is part of the game to break down such logic to help solve it.

this directly contradicts your stated townread of me.

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pooky. ignore them. its not productive.

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and yet i feel that i understand pooky and DC and sleeper's coalitions

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dk seriously please don't join games im in