Micro 952 - The Coalition: ItGBSMoD [game over!]

[DonCorleone]

HEAL: myself
HEAL: aldus
HEAL: clover
HEAL: pooky
HEAL: tux

HURT: deimos

[DonCorleone]

Aldus did you roll scum without me this time?

[DonCorleone]

Scummy entrance bruh

[DonCorleone]

dc are you scum?

Sadly not, lmao

[DonCorleone]

mine?

Only bc I let u have it

[DonCorleone]

DC pretty susp

a real townie would've said yes

Ohhhh shit, u got me boi

[DonCorleone]

Have you read any of the previous editions of coalition?

[DonCorleone]

There’s 4 and the only one town lost was the one where the coalition failed

[DonCorleone]

I read the two most recent ones blind to check how hard this was and I’m 2/2 as it stands

[DonCorleone]

How about this: I read the game instead of playing, once I get to 4 townreads we make them + me the coalition and if I’m wrong you lynch me?

[DonCorleone]

my coalition is up to two people. Donc's plan is a maybe. Sounds boring though

Who cares about boring when I’m 2/2 on finding a winning coalition and it’s optimal EV

Pfft, acting like mafia is about fun and not maximising that sweet sweet win%

[DonCorleone]

Also didn’t the town in lovers get their cheeks clapped?

[DonCorleone]

Yoink

[DonCorleone]

goddammit

lol

[DonCorleone]

Also wtf has George Bailey been sending you on discord, jfc

[DonCorleone]

yeah, that's what sleeper is saying. Based on guns and roses id say you put ego before winning.

Okay, okay,
I see what's happening here,
You're face-to-face with greatness and it's strange,
You don't even know how you feel, it's adorable!

And what can I say except you’re welcome

[DonCorleone]

DC, how about you play the game like normal.
And you actually case your solve.
And people sheep you only if they agree with you?

I prefer option a) I solve the game and everyone sheeps me and then I get lynched upon BoP if I’m wrong

[DonCorleone]

Whats the matter Deimos, worried?

[DonCorleone]

Rice and i really hope Nutella

[DonCorleone]

What do you think of my plan anyway sleeper?

[DonCorleone]

Also a question I was thinking about pregame and would like some opinions on: Say we fail this day one. Is it best to lynch inside the Coli day 1 or go outside it to see if-you know what the more I type out this post the more stupid I feel nevermind
pedit: I can't tell if this is a joke

What made you feel like you were getting more stupid the more you wrote here?

[DonCorleone]

we arent gonna discuss day 2 because

it could help scum

to discuss it now.

If this is actually true, town points for votato

Err. What?

[DonCorleone]

yes. talking about scum's optimal strategy only helps scum at this stage. insisting that we discuss scum's optimal strategy and in fact trying to goad me into explaining what i think that strategy is, is scummy.

lol

[DonCorleone]

I'll add a tentative HEAL: DC because I don't really expect scum to suggest and defend a strategy that puts them in a 6v1 mountainous.

I mean ftr I entered my last scumgame hardclaiming cop and then ran with it for like a day and a half, I wouldn’t put this out of my scumrange at all lol

[DonCorleone]

Okay.

Sleeper is town.
Clover is town.
Pooky is lightly town.
Votato is lightly town.

Aldus is null.
Bugspray is null.

Deimos is lightly scum.

Tux may be scum.

[DonCorleone]

I’d kind of like to hit a higher level of confidence in pooky and votato first but then I think I’m alright locking that in.

[DonCorleone]

Datisi getting HYPE in the mod pt rn if I’m right or making fun of me if I’m not

[DonCorleone]

Actually aldus really needs to come post because if he’s town I think I can read him and then he can go into the coalition instead of whoever I’m lowest confidence on

[DonCorleone]

HURT: all
HEAL: me
HEAL: sleeper
HEAL: clover

VOTE: tux

[DonCorleone]

Would it be too much to just ask you to sheep me on this one?

[DonCorleone]

I’m pretty sure we can, it just doesn’t happen until after the coalition fails, if it fails?

[DonCorleone]

Also idk if I wanna explain it yet

[DonCorleone]

Again, can you not just go with me on my coalition then lynch me if I’m wrong?

[DonCorleone]

Datisi did u run out of flavour already?

[DonCorleone]

I don’t really need to explain it yet and if tux is scum I don’t want them knowing what they’re doing that’s scummy so they can correct for it. Like there’s not generally a huge benefit to town for me explaining why I have the reads I have early into a game while those are still in flux. Scum start off with more info and I don’t really care to provide additional info until I need to provide it to town

[DonCorleone]

ok but if your coalition fails then you're just going to say "ok i was wrong but i'm town so you shouldn't lynch me"

I would never

[DonCorleone]

Townie town plus another thing that I’m also not explaining yet @deimos

[DonCorleone]

Townie tone* ffs

[DonCorleone]

ok but if your coalition fails then you're just going to say "ok i was wrong but i'm town so you shouldn't lynch me"

I would never

Building on this: I think it probably would be best to lynch me if I am sheeped on a coalition and it’s wrong. I doubt I’d be so wrong as to have both scum in it, which would mean 1 scum inside and 1 scum outside. If I get lynched so be it, I can give my best bet on who’s the scum inside it first, and then you’ll know that I’m straight up when I get flipped. Then unless scum wanna narrow it down further, they’ll prob kill outside the coalition which will mean D2 two pools of (3 town, 1 scum)(2 town, 1 scum)

If you get the scum inside the coalition on D2 then you’re gold going into D3 and it probably makes the most sense to look outside the coalition D3/4, plus NKA will probably be useful.

And the plus plus is in a case where I’m very wrong and there are two scum in the coalition, you’ll have a raw 66% chance to lynch scum on D3 assuming no kills inside the coalition and a mislynch D2 (earlier possible lylo situation) which is p good.

The only really worrying scenario is D3 if there’s only 1 scum in the coalition, that would prob be the hardest one to solve, but again, I figure it’s unlikely

[DonCorleone]

Yo pooky what did you think of my coalition?

[DonCorleone]

Tux reading the thread but not commenting on my callout is also a bad look lol

[DonCorleone]

Actually, Deimos, what do you think of my proposed coalition?

@pooky actually it would be 5 I just wanna feel better about you/votato before I lock that in.

[DonCorleone]

Most of your points against me are complete nonsense.

Yes, this is because he’s scum lol

[DonCorleone]

I’d forgotten that Good Feel(tm) or busting some scum chops immediately in a game

Feels good man

[DonCorleone]

pretty good chance they're both town,

i might even bump votato off the coalition and do ebi/deimos instead

all 3 are very close for me

Whats townie about Deimos?

[DonCorleone]

ok but if your coalition fails then you're just going to say "ok i was wrong but i'm town so you shouldn't lynch me"

I would never

Building on this: I think it probably would be best to lynch me if I am sheeped on a coalition and it’s wrong. I doubt I’d be so wrong as to have both scum in it, which would mean 1 scum inside and 1 scum outside. If I get lynched so be it, I can give my best bet on who’s the scum inside it first, and then you’ll know that I’m straight up when I get flipped. Then unless scum wanna narrow it down further, they’ll prob kill outside the coalition which will mean D2 two pools of (3 town, 1 scum)(2 town, 1 scum)

If you get the scum inside the coalition on D2 then you’re gold going into D3 and it probably makes the most sense to look outside the coalition D3/4, plus NKA will probably be useful.

And the plus plus is in a case where I’m very wrong and there are two scum in the coalition, you’ll have a raw 66% chance to lynch scum on D3 assuming no kills inside the coalition and a mislynch D2 (earlier possible lylo situation) which is p good.

The only really worrying scenario is D3 if there’s only 1 scum in the coalition, that would prob be the hardest one to solve, but again, I figure it’s unlikely

ok but what if you're town and the coalition fails (assume 1 scum in) and then D2 if we lynch in the coalition there's only a 1/4 chance we hit assuming scum NK outside the coalition and we lynch inside the coalition again

then we're at lylo D3 which seems very bad

That should be a 25% chance of hitting scum for anyone outside but a 33% chance for any other townie inside

Plus you hit lylo D3 anyway if you haven’t lynched scum by that point?

Oh, and finally in that lylo town outside have /at worst/ a 33% chance of hitting scum at rand, and any town inside has /at worst/ a 50% chance and if both scum do end up inside then they have a literal 100% chance lol

[DonCorleone]

This is a public reminder to not talk about other ongoing games. Thank you.

Oops, better not give my thoughts on the tennis match between Daniel Batista and Alfonso Portugal then I guess

[DonCorleone]

Anyone wanna take bets on how likely it is that datisi is having a breakdown in the mod PT about people discussing ongoing games rn?

[DonCorleone]

HEAL: pooky

[DonCorleone]

HEAL: deimos

[DonCorleone]

deimos my number 1 townread right now

he's so clueless he has to be town

let's win this first day boys

get it done

I think we have a 85% chance of winning this game outright if townies act really townie



let's do it

i know yall dont take much stock in daystarts but this is a triple whammy post where they are s onervous to appear town that they need to restate mechs and stuff and thats why I said they were scum btw.


they scumtold right off the start and u wanna put them in ur coalition

Just so you know koba, if you think you have accurate reads based on posts like this then I’m going to stick with what I was originally planning to do with your slot anyway and just ignore you

[DonCorleone]

Koba entrance into the game:

lol

[DonCorleone]

why is pooky and deimos town.

Deimos entered badly but has had some redeeming posts (most recently him unvoting the coalition was towny)

Pooky is just generally fine and probably the most town leadery slot atm

[DonCorleone]

Ftr the only scum meta I have on bugspray is he repped into a widely scumread slot, made a handful of zero content posts, sheeped the Bad Vote(tm) of his predecessor and then repped out

[DonCorleone]

So yes, in any case I think that fits well enough with scenario 1 and bugs feeling screwed and koba’s entry

Pooky what’s your sleeper read based on again?

[DonCorleone]

I feel p good about the (DC, pooky, deimos, clover) core

I’m actually more unsure of sleeper atm

[DonCorleone]

I have my vote on you because I know this town will be stubborn and not switch but when it inevitably fails you will be the first to go!

ok when this coalition wins the game on day 1 I'm gonna be sitting on a beach sipping a mai-tai while your scum butt is on the first boat out

if the coalition is all town then I win anyways so idc.

but I'm going to fight my way onto it by replacing the scummiest slots on it whether you like it or not.

Who else has got that “never letting koba into the coalition feeling” tonight?

[DonCorleone]

also where did you get that you should refer to me as he/him?

i literally have:

an anime girl as my pfp
pronoun shows as they
and nonbinary flag in pfp

please stop calling me a he! thank you.

what's the correct way to say this:


he's either trying desperately to fight his way onto the coalition because he knows we are about to win easily.

or

he's a misguided townie who wants to make a splash but fell flat on his face



I am bad at grammar sorry

They’re trying to... because they know...

Or

They’re a...

[DonCorleone]

I'm gonna take myself out of my coalition just to make sure things don't get ahead of me like last game.

HURT: SleeperSoul

Or is that not gonna help? I still feel the sting of the days of last game ending sooner than I wanted.

I'm not sure how I feel about Koba. You guys seem a lot more certain lol

If you’re town and you don’t put yourself in I think it makes the game like 33% harder or something lol

[DonCorleone]

Or that’s what someone said in one of the previous coalitions and I think they were someone I trust to have correct mechanics

[DonCorleone]

Votato I get the vibe that you don’t care much either way if you’re in the coalition

[DonCorleone]

I think I’d prefer clover to votato and if we do that I’m probably good to go

[DonCorleone]

That’s mostly @pooky and @deimos

[DonCorleone]

More makes me worry that if you’re scum that we do have a deepscum in already

[DonCorleone]

Oh it could actually be votato himself seeing as he’s in the current main coalition lol

If not it would be sleeper or pooky

[DonCorleone]

pagetop part 2 electric boogaloo?

I swear 2 god if you people keep letting datisi get pagetops...

*grumble grumble*

[DonCorleone]

HEAL: Pooky
HEAL: votato
HURT: Sleeper
HURT: Clover
Here's where I'm at.

these are my reads which makes me skeptical

O M G we resonate so much!!!!!!! Twinsiiiieeeessss!
Can we be friends now? Can you climb obligingly into my pocket?

I think this is a Scum post.

[DonCorleone]

wouldnt scum maybe even want both members to be in?

Categorically no, optimal strategy for scum is to only have 1 member in

[DonCorleone]

Koba have you had a scumgame yet?

[DonCorleone]

wouldnt scum maybe even want both members to be in?

Categorically no, optimal strategy for scum is to only have 1 member in

thats only true if we are informed how many scum are in the coalition. my understanding is that we are only told whether or not theres scum in the coalition.

Yes but it’s still optimal to only have 1 as the fastest win is D3 and if a coalition fails you lynch in the coalition because there’s guaranteed scum there. If 2 scum are in then it means they have a much higher raw chance of being lynched on D2/D3, the only benefit is then there is the wifom of not being sure if you continue to lynch in the coalition or if you work through those outside after the first scum lynch

[DonCorleone]

Koba have you had a scumgame yet?

Not a conventional mafia game, just Avalon where I played my other wincon(finding merlin) rather than trying to avoid getting hanged. But I have plenty of town games you can analyze at your leisure

I already skimmed your towngames, why do you think I have little faith in your reads lol

[DonCorleone]

Interesting that Tuxedo Mask is getting pushed aside when their scumhunting is legitimate and I would put them as my top townread here going through how they pushed on Pooky. I would like to pick Tux's brain here because I trust them the most based on content so far.

tinfoil moment: you are top scum and tux is the bottom

tux just seems different from last game to me so that comes off slightly scum but I don't know.

Try to expand on what seems different to you

[DonCorleone]

Koba have you had a scumgame yet?

Not a conventional mafia game, just Avalon where I played my other wincon(finding merlin) rather than trying to avoid getting hanged. But I have plenty of town games you can analyze at your leisure

I already skimmed your towngames, why do you think I have little faith in your reads lol

TMI alert TMI alert TMI alert TMI alert TMI alert TMI alert TMI alert TMI alert TMI alert TMI alert TMI alert TMI alert TMI alert TMI alert TMI alert TMI alert TMI alert TMI alert TMI alert TMI alert TMI alert TMI alert TMI alert

Eh?

[DonCorleone]

I've already experienced multiple players who are stubborn and bad who latch onto dumb shit like this so I can't say that you are even scum for this. but it most definitely makes me not want you on the coalition.

You’re such a gift to scum koba, I bet every match they must be relieved to see you in the PL

Toxic enough to make people not wanna play and also bad-but-without-realising-you’re-bad meaning they can let you lead mislynches

[DonCorleone]

Which, incidentally, is exactly what koba has tended to do in all his games so far

So like: if koba!scum — he’s actively sabotaging the game

If koba!town he can’t be trusted to have accurate reads anyway and should be disregarded, especially with how hard he tries to brute force them

[DonCorleone]

this is bad timing DC why are jumping in like this i gotta go

Oh I just wanted to rinse koba because they fit a player archetype that I intensely dislike

[DonCorleone]

They’re also not even funny which sometimes goes a long way to me tolerating them (them in this case being “all players who fit that archetype”)

[DonCorleone]

You can tell me tomorrow what you think is townie about tux tho, sleeper

[DonCorleone]

Or you can tell me now, whatever

[DonCorleone]

Kinda thinking all scum in (koba, tux, sleeper, aldus) still

Which is weird because I was definitely planning to approach this game town hunting, but guess life is funny like that

But yeah I think (DC, pooky, deimos, votato, clover) is prob winning here

[DonCorleone]

Don are you upset I don't townread you?

No I just think you’re a bad player who’s unable to admit that your reads are at best @random

[DonCorleone]

It’s really not you in particular, it feels like there’s a new player the same as you who pops up every couple of months thinking they’re hot shit with the best reads ever seen only to just... not be that

[DonCorleone]

I don’t think votato makes out that he’s hot shit

My bad on the pronouns, I’m trying to stick to they/them

[DonCorleone]

I never said I'm hot shit nor that I have the best reads. But you are still spewing about me being town. You are saying I am scum but speaking in a way that implies I am town.

It’s called “approaching people in good faith”

[DonCorleone]

Also I have had the thought that you may not be scum but idk if I wanna open that particular can of worms just yet, especially not if all my townreads are already right

[DonCorleone]

I never said I'm hot shit nor that I have the best reads. But you are still spewing about me being town. You are saying I am scum but speaking in a way that implies I am town.

If you enter a game like this:

hello.I rolled town so I will be aggressively making sure I am in this coalition.

i skimmed the thread b4 subbing in and I think pooky shouldn't be in it btw

deimos my number 1 townread right now

he's so clueless he has to be town

let's win this first day boys

get it done

I think we have a 85% chance of winning this game outright if townies act really townie



let's do it

i know yall dont take much stock in daystarts but this is a triple whammy post where they are s onervous to appear town that they need to restate mechs and stuff and thats why I said they were scum btw.


they scumtold right off the start and u wanna put them in ur coalition

Then you’re saying both of those things implicitly

[DonCorleone]

Do you really think I am scum or are you upset with my play? Because I really do get the vibe from your posts you think I am town from the way you engage with me.

Refer to previous post

FWIW I did misread you as scum on D1 in that newbie where maduisha won (I wasn’t in it, I happened to spectate some of it)

[DonCorleone]

Do you hard TR pooky?

Ehh I townread them, I didn’t read through all their interaction with you on the last 2-3 pages in full

[DonCorleone]

Like I skimmed it but I imagine it’ll be easier to get to a more solid read on them when I do read that properly

[DonCorleone]

most recently won a game via a 3/3 solve! with only 1 ML used on someone who was jestering!)

Was this cult D3? I didn’t read that yet

[DonCorleone]

I never had aldus in my coalition and I think I already voiced my doubts on sleeper

[DonCorleone]

Okay, I may have misjudged you, sorry

I’ve had negative experiences with players who have played similar to you in past games of yours that I’ve seen and who have been highly intransigent and unwilling to try to improve/to move towards playing in a less abrasive manner.

It’s also trickier reading you because I have no scum meta for you so idk what it will look like when you roll scum (in a normal game that is, in excluding Avalon)

[DonCorleone]

unwilling to try to improve/to move towards playing in a less abrasive manner

These things don’t always necessarily mean “bad” as in inaccurate ftr, but they’re particularly frustrating when coupled with bad reads

God knows I’ve been toxic in enough games and I partly started this alt because I wanted to have a more chilled out account to do things on

Do you thing koba, I’ll be around

I think you’re probably wrong on pooky and Deimos tho, and I think you should take a closer look at tux

[DonCorleone]

2 guesses

[DonCorleone]

You seem a lot like scum!you from pyp aldus

[DonCorleone]

I have very little wim for this game as it turns out so I think I’m gonna go back to my strategy of just reading it until I have 4 TRs I’m confident enough in to end the day and then go from there

[DonCorleone]

I am inclined to say that there is one scum at most in (pooky, koba)

[DonCorleone]

Even granted optimal scumplay and the consequences of that on likely behaviour

[DonCorleone]

HURT: all

[DonCorleone]

I am inclined to say that there is one scum at most in (pooky, koba)

I disagree here. Both of us are town. I have just given up trying to convince Pooky as they refuse to reason with me logically. Although I will give them at least a nice longpost about my reasoning why what he claims is illogical is logical from my point of view in terms of wanting to criticize coalitions. (and also my general frustration with no reasoning given)

I think you missed the bit where I said “at most”

[DonCorleone]

Wug, are you an alt?

[DonCorleone]

Because I was waiting to see if anyone was actually interested in my reasoning. And at the end of the day, town makes mistakes too and assuming someone does something that is illogical from your point of view is automatically scum is bad play.

You’re right about this, but ability to explain motives isn’t necessarily a good reason to TR someone nor is it necessary for someone to be town. I think I’m often as able to explain my thoughts as scum if not more so, whereas when I’m town there’s more going on and it’s actually harder sometimes

[DonCorleone]

Wug, are you an alt?

why does this matter

It matters to me?

[DonCorleone]

Because it’s helpful to me to know how much experience you have with playing mafia I.e. are you a newbie or an experienced player obscuring their identity?

[DonCorleone]

Strongly leaning alt because it took me like 3 months to figure out how to go GIFs on this forum

[DonCorleone]

Thank you

[DonCorleone]

Hi, I haven’t really been enjoying this game or been able to get into it really

I’ll try to do a reread today and to say who I think the coalition should be

[DonCorleone]

I wish DC would play the game

Sorry, I just haven’t really been feeling it, not sure why

I think partly because it’s been very spammy and that’s just demotivating. Idk if it’s scum playing for a win in the most boring way possible but it’s hard to motivate to do what is already a 40 page reread to try and get solid TRs when I know a lot of it is just air but it’s still air that I’ll have to read

[DonCorleone]

How so?

You look like you have very little interest in solving the game

[DonCorleone]

@klick, you’ve mentioned a couple of times you’re townreading me, and that’s despite my absence the last like 3 days or so — what is it you were seeing in my early play that made me town enough for you to still be wanting me in your coalition?

[DonCorleone]

How much longer can I procrastinate before I need to start worrying

[DonCorleone]

HEAL: DC
HEAL: dkkoba
HEAL: pooky
HEAL: klick
HEAL: sleeper

[DonCorleone]

stop prodging and start playing please

I’m still not in the mood to play

[DonCorleone]

I thought I would have to read like maximum of 20 pages as part of rereading and then I was just gonna lock in my coalition and hardpush it

[DonCorleone]

@sleeper swap me for deimos

@koba swap me for clover

@pooky put me in your coalition

@klick put pooky in and swap sleeper for clover

[DonCorleone]

Okay done game solved

[DonCorleone]

C’mon let’s get the heal train out of the station I don’t wanna go past 50 pages

[DonCorleone]

If I come back and this coalition has not been approved I will be disappointed in everyone

[DonCorleone]

DC I appreciate the extended effort but I'm still likely to exclude you (:

Y tho

[DonCorleone]

There is literally no reason for you to have an objection to this town or scum unless you’re just being stubborn in which case — stop it, heal me, and let’s win the game

[DonCorleone]

Either heal me or towncase clover @koba

[DonCorleone]

You think I’m town

I know you think I’m town because you’ve talked about it

Unless you have strong and compelling reasons to think that clover is much more town than me, it should be relatively moot to you which of us is in your coalition and if you do put me in I’m pretty sure I can build the consensus we need with the others to get this coalition passed

[DonCorleone]

if I was to remove clover I'd put in aldu over you

That is literally the worst idea I’ve heard today

[DonCorleone]

Why are you town reading aldus?

[DonCorleone]

Koba, think about this — either heal me, or I will find someone else who is also town and who is willing to work with me and who won’t say things like “I would put aldus in my coalition”

[DonCorleone]

I would rather work with you because it’s easier and I’m a path of least resistance kinda guy a lot of the time. If you start making it awkward then I will find an alternative for you

[DonCorleone]

Klick swap me for clover

[DonCorleone]

Smh, do either of u really think this is how I play scum

[DonCorleone]

Because while I’m certainly open to making some bold moves as scum I’m also competent enough that I could very easily have faked a whole load of ~*engagement*~ and reads over the past few days and easily had you both putting me in

Instead of just skimming back through and being basically happy with who we have to go into the coalition and then hard pushing that

[DonCorleone]

I wish DC would play the game

Sorry, I just haven’t really been feeling it, not sure why

I think partly because it’s been very spammy and that’s just demotivating. Idk if it’s scum playing for a win in the most boring way possible but it’s hard to motivate to do what is already a 40 page reread to try and get solid TRs when I know a lot of it is just air but it’s still air that I’ll have to read

Sorry for contributing to you feeling demotivated. I know I make a lot of posts but I feel that most of them have at least one thought that is significant and worth a point on their own. Replacing in leads to me having a number of separate thoughts, and the two methods of posting those thoughts are quote-walling and multi-posting. I find that quote-walling gets me ignored more.

@klick, you’ve mentioned a couple of times you’re townreading me, and that’s despite my absence the last like 3 days or so — what is it you were seeing in my early play that made me town enough for you to still be wanting me in your coalition?

So first, I think it's important to realise that your (and Clover's - relevant) inactivity hasn't been a reason to not have you in a coalition for me. There are enough low-activity players in this game that we're likely to need at least one in the final coalition if we want it to be all-town. Do remember that you have 110 posts to read you from, despite being inactive lately.

Your spam posting on Page 9/10 was really good. Your first reads post is excellent and lined up pretty strongly with where I was then (and where I am now!). You posted rather stream-of-consciousness after that in a way that looked legit. Later your 345 read as legit as well - I see little motivation as scum for doubting Sleeper there, compared to you just... solving, if you're town. Your whole vibe feels like genuine solving.

Where have your reasons for me being town evaporated to

[DonCorleone]

Your coalition may very well be correct but I know I’m town and I’m not sure about clover

Seeing as I’ve been saying, multiple times, to swap me in for clover, I’d think that was obvious

[DonCorleone]

Flip side: you had me as town earlier, why do you now have me below clover and aldus (who is honestly the worst slot in the game rn)

[DonCorleone]

And I want to be in because /as I said before/ and /as you yourself made a point of when you first joined the game/ the odds of the coalition failing are noticeably higher if I don’t advocate for my own presence in it

It makes it like 33% harder or something

[DonCorleone]

If I’m in:

Choose 4 names where 6/8 names are town

If I’m not, choose 5 names where 6/8 are town

I’m not great at math but that’s definitely harder to find the town

[DonCorleone]

So if my math is right it’s

(6/8)*(5/7)*(4/6)*(3/5) = 21.4% chance of choosing all names correctly EV when I’m in

Vs

(6/8)*(5/7)*(4/6)*(3/5)*(2/4) = 10.7% chance if I’m not in

So 30% is wrong if my math is correct but still, yes, I want to be in

[DonCorleone]

/hang datisi for spamming for page top :^)

It doesn’t count as a pagetop if she spams like that to get it

[DonCorleone]

shut

:3

[DonCorleone]

Aldus / Wug - too scummy for inclusion

yet you're voting for wug?

[DonCorleone]

What, like your "engagement" in PYP?

dude I was literally townread on play by practically the entire thread, if I hadn't fakeclaimed cop on D1 thus opening me up to farkran deciding to policy wagon me we would've been chill

like are you forgetting that there were people on my wagon who were compromising because "ehh don't think DC will flip scum but probably better than X because of PR and they've claimed VT now"

if you're talking about my engagement dropping off partially in mid-D2... okay? how is that relevant?

[DonCorleone]

im home now.

I want an update from everyone on where they're at for each slot at the table. I'm willing to adjust certain parts of my coalition if needed but fwiw I think mine is a winning one, if not one that helps grant a near "autowin"

Why don't you want DC?

because they come off as exhausted scum to me who just made a last ditch effort to get included

:rolleyes:

[DonCorleone]

I would have hard bussed my partner by now if I were scum

[DonCorleone]

"I would have hardbussed my partner by now if I was scum"

*is voting Wug who is my top scumread*

How does my play make any sense today if I’m scum?

I pick up several easy townreads, start bussing my partner (if you remember I called out tux early on)... then completely fail to be a presence and allow myself to fall out of the coalition when I could have easily stayed in by doing the bare minimum.

Your logic is that my response to this is to re-enter the game demanding to be let into the coalition based on my early reads being correct instead of reading the majority of the in lnbetween pages and without faking any sort of catchup.

Finally, with people not putting me in, you think I continue to bus my partner despite the fact that if neither of us were in we would lose?

[DonCorleone]

u were literally booted out bc u were doing the bare minimum... sis ur describing what your play was to a T while saying you "could have" done something.

CAN YOU READ

Jesus

Yes, I quite clearly said that’s what I’ve been doing, that post was LITERALLY a description of my play so far, the point is that how does that make any sense as a collection of decisions for me to make as scum?

[DonCorleone]

If this coalition fails I’m voting koba all day every day for the rest of the game that I’m alive for.

[DonCorleone]

DonCorleone can you understand that from my perspective you currently look like you're scrambling to mix things up, possibly because you can sense that a coalition may be forming without you on it?

That is very literally what I’m doing, why does it make me scum?

[DonCorleone]

Or flip side: is it more work for me as scum to post a couple of fake reads every day, have my scumbuddy keep an eye on thread, maintain a bus etc and just stay in (something that I’m clearly capable of if you look at my completed scumgame on this account where basically every townie who I set out to pocket was TR/TLing me) OR is it easier for me as scum to totally drop off the face of the earth and then make a huge last minute push that I would be aware would look dubious in the last few days?

[DonCorleone]

I don’t see how you’re looking at me here where all I had to do this game to avoid a loss as scum was contribute on a fairly regular basis and probably hardbus my partner and thinking that the way I’ve played is consistent with a scum mindset

[DonCorleone]

Right, but again, why would this be my approach to it as opposed to just... doing... anything over the last week when I was a pretty consensus TR and it would have been very easy to stay in?

If not me, why would I not be trying to get my partner in?

How much I care is much more a metric of how engaged I am with the game than a useful measure of which wincon I’m playing to. Why is it more plausible that scum!me decides to turn it on now and hardpush me being included vs town!me not feeling very interested in playing but now becoming more interested (partly because another game I was in finished)

[DonCorleone]

If the coalition fails then I think you're very likely town.

I’m town anyway! You literally acknowledged this already, you made a whole long-ass post about it!

Who do you think is the most dubiously town in the coalition you/koba are currently pushing?

[DonCorleone]

Do you think I’m manipulating you klick? And if so do you really think this is the most effective form of manipulation that me as scum could choose?

[DonCorleone]

Like there’s just a multitude of reasons why I would be playing more now that have nothing to do with my alignment and it feels like a really, idk, misguided? take to go from “DC cares about being in the coalition” to “DC cares because he’s scum who’s now losing”

[DonCorleone]

At every point when I’ve been engaged with the thread, I’ve been insistent that I should be in, up to and including the point of arguing that I should choose the coalition and be lynched if it’s wrong

At the points where I haven’t been (the mid part of this day) I didn’t stop advocating for my presence, I just lost interest in playing

[DonCorleone]

How much longer can I procrastinate before I need to start worrying

stop prodging and start playing please

I’m still not in the mood to play

If you're not in the mood, you're not in the mood. Happens as either alignment. You're not getting a town pass for not being around. Are you saying as scum you'd have magically found the motivation to make posts?

I’m saying as scum I would have forced myself to fake post because it’s less of an investment of effort than trying to come back in a losing position and I’m lazy

[DonCorleone]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=83030

This game is exemplary of my low effort scum posting

I improvised nearly all my responses here and wasn’t trying really beyond “sound vaguely reasonable as an explanation”

Despite not being motivated, that’s very much a level I could have managed here as a simpler alternative

Would I maybe have not managed to for demotivated reasons and then be trying to now? Maybe, yeah. Like it’s a possibility, but I most always don’t wanna post that much as scum and generally I do okay at forcing myself to anyway

[DonCorleone]

Do you think I’m manipulating you klick?

Yeah man rn I'm getting some pretty strong manipulation vibes actually.

Okay what about this is me being manipulative vs hardpushing that I should be in and trying to convince you of that?

[DonCorleone]

all that happens if it fails if we put you on it is that we end up voting you out after we vote out wug.

Err, no, because if the coalition fails we are not lynching outside of it until we hit scum

[DonCorleone]

the coalition is meant to give us the best info in case it fails and the current one as is will do just that,

Also this is dumb and idc about “gives us the best possible info” when the info I have is that there’s a +10% EV on town winning if I’m in the coalition vs if I’m not in it

[DonCorleone]

HURT: DC
HEAL: clover

[DonCorleone]

Did we win?

[DonCorleone]

VOTE: koba

[DonCorleone]

We’re not ever lynching out of the coalition until scum flips inside the coalition

[DonCorleone]

You just lost the right to make any decisions about what happens here after brute forcing a losing coalition

[DonCorleone]

@klick vote koba

[DonCorleone]

Oh klick is UK actually he’s probably not on

@pooky vote koba

[DonCorleone]

you HAMMERED it.

You were incredibly intransigent to changing it even in light of me presenting you with a number of good reasons why my play didn’t make sense from scum!me. Why? Because you knew it was a losing coalition and you weren’t prepared to entertain the idea of change as that could open it up to being not losing

Plus you’re the main source of the game apathy. I think that the way you spammed thread is effective as a scum strat, it’s just also very boring

[DonCorleone]

I think I just underestimated koba’s scumgame tbh

[DonCorleone]

We're obviously not voting Wug

I'm 50/50 between it being Pooky and Koba for scum in the coalition. I'll sleep on it. Don't quicklynch.

Did you not note the immediate pivot to make you lynchable again once the coalition failed?

[DonCorleone]

if koba is scum it won't matter if you or clover are on the coalition

If koba is scum then there was good reason to not be open to changing his mind about the coalition at all so long as it was failing

Then the second it does fail: doesn’t look to his weakest TR (clover) on the coalition, instead he pivots to reinsert klick into the lynchpool

[DonCorleone]

You won’t get a chance to self D2 because we’re going to lynch you today

[DonCorleone]

also I guess this means my theory was probably correct and Klick/Votato slot is scum :/

@pooky

[DonCorleone]

I hope you understand that I don't reveal all my intentions / reads on purpose so scum can't use them to manipulate the narrative, right? I already DID hint at a Klick FOS if the coalition fails earlier but I never named him. I had Wug marked down regardless.

lmao

[DonCorleone]

look the way to play this game after coalition fail is very simple.

If you lynch someone on the coalition - they flip scum - the other scum could be anywhere.

If you lynch someone off the coalition - they flip scum - this clears the other 3 off-coalition players and you can focus on the coalition with 3 guaranteed town players ( tho 1 will probably get shot at night)

We are never lynching off coalition until scum has flipped inside because we have CONFIRMED SCUM inside and there could be 2 inside, while it’s possible there are none outside

[DonCorleone]

We are never fucking lynching outside of coalition where there is confirmed scum and quite frankly it’s dumb as fuck to suggest we should

[DonCorleone]

Like I don’t even want to call it scummy, it’s just fucking stupid

[DonCorleone]

Cool, nobody cares, we’re flipping you

[DonCorleone]

That was clearly @koba

[DonCorleone]

Koba:
>comes in
>hard spam posts very little of content totally fossilising the game
>insists he must be in the coalition
>refuses to reconsider any evidence once the coalition has reached a certain point of stasis
>immediately re-enters someone into his lynchpool once the coalition passes
>actively trying to find a way out of optimal play from the moment the coalition failed, and was trying to set this up from before it failed

[DonCorleone]

Also, the only game that was lost of coalition so far was one where scum were in the coalition and widely TR which is how they managed to set the game up that way

[DonCorleone]

DC you don't sound like you are trying to gamesolve rn and just want to hang anyone you can.

No, just you

[DonCorleone]

optimal play is to create 3 clears outside the coalition if its a possibility.

No it’s fucking not

[DonCorleone]

Your optimal play as scum is to try and get us to lynch outside the coalition, it’s not fucking happening

[DonCorleone]

I don’t give a fuck what you say, we’re lynching you and there’s no way in fucking shit that we’re lynching outside of the coalition until scum has flipped inside

[DonCorleone]

Because if both scum ARE inside, which is what you LITERALLY SAID YOUR PLAY WOULD BE then lynching outside for ~*3 clears guys*~ would just be losing

[DonCorleone]

You had your turn at running the game. If you’re scum, fair play but it ends here. If you’re town, you failed and you need to get the fuck out of the way and let someone competent take over, which in this case will be me

[DonCorleone]

You don’t get a voice again until you’re dead, at which point I’ll consider what you say if you flip town, which

i doubt

[DonCorleone]

ok who's my partner inside the coalition

I’ll figure that out once you’re dead

[DonCorleone]

So you are just going to stubbornly ignore the

logic

bullshit I have

presented

bullshitted about

having a solid scumread outside the coalition creating clears

how to lose the game?

[DonCorleone]

That’s cool koba, idgaf and you’re dying today

[DonCorleone]

Klick’s not the one who intentionally blew up the gamestate when he joined the game and then tried to push voting outside the coalition

[DonCorleone]

Koba I literally don’t care what you say and you will see rope today

[DonCorleone]

You have never played with me before but I will make you see rope and there is little point in trying to resist because once I’m locked in scum I cannot be redirected

I am a scumseeking laser guided fucking missile that ends with you dying and town winning this game

All you’ve done is make plays that have benefitted scum and not benefitted town. I wasn’t engaged enough to fully assess it earlier so I went with the lazier path of giving you the benefit of the doubt and going to this point to see if you maybe did have it right. You didn’t, and not only are you still trying to control the game, but you’re pushing the least optimal play possible for town

[DonCorleone]

Oh wow, koba has ~*info*~ guys guess that means he should be listened to

[DonCorleone]

Deimos if you’re town koba is blatantly trying to pocket you after having excluded you from the coalition to try and give himself a lifeline. Ignore him and vote him up to L-2

[DonCorleone]

can you stop using he/him thanks.

Yes, my bad

[DonCorleone]

*yawn*

[DonCorleone]

if

when I end up getting flipped and you end up town I

expect and apology from you postgame

will be very embarrassed by how I scumclaimed after the coalition failed

[DonCorleone]

Someone declare intent let’s lynch this scumfuck

[DonCorleone]

Honestly I just can't see Koba as scum here.

and Wugs ISO reads as way more scummy - We really will hit a jackpot if we lynch Wugs and he's scum.

Mmmm, nah, we’re lynching koba

[DonCorleone]

Idgaf if wugs iso reads more scummy, they’re outside the coalition and we’re lynching inside

[DonCorleone]

BECAUSE THERE IS CONFIRMED SCUM INSIDE THE COALITION AND THERE MAY BE 2 SCUM INSIDE

And scum are close to forced to kill outside anyway so if you ARE gonna lynch outside you sure as shit don’t do it on D1