Micro 952 - The Coalition: ItGBSMoD [game over!]

SleeperSoul · Post Post #9 (isolation #0) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:01 am

Hey guys! It's your resident obvtown SleeperSoul here to help us win on day 1 with the perfect coalition!

HEAL: votato
HEAL: Pooky
HEAL: TuxedoMask

^The four of us just finished an epic game of True Love.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 65&start=0
I think I have pretty good soul reads on these fellows, listed in order of strongest to weakest.

HURT: Deimos

Deimos you were my cold hard scum soulread as I quickly scanned the list last night. So you could be scum, or we could just have very different souls, or it's just that your name sounds kinda evil

SleeperSoul · Post Post #10 (isolation #1) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:05 am

Do I need to HEAL: MYSELF to put myself in?

SleeperSoul · Post Post #12 (isolation #2) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:42 am

Suuure.... If you're not evil, why did you vote me?

SleeperSoul · Post Post #16 (isolation #3) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:48 am

bugspray please talk more this game I think town would have won the lovers game if you were more active.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #42 (isolation #4) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:10 am

Fight me, pooky, I'm still reading you!

SleeperSoul · Post Post #43 (isolation #5) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:16 am

Initial tinfoil-hat solve: pooky and votato are pocketing me.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #44 (isolation #6) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:17 am

votato pocketed me in the lovers game

SleeperSoul · Post Post #46 (isolation #7) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:18 am

I'm a quick learner

SleeperSoul · Post Post #59 (isolation #8) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:29 am

In post 51, Datisi wrote:
flavour

My first reaction was "eww" but now that I analyze the sandwich contents, I'm intrigued. What's that on the bottom layer?

SleeperSoul · Post Post #61 (isolation #9) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:31 am

In post 60, DonCorleone wrote:Rice and i really hope
Nutella

me too

SleeperSoul · Post Post #63 (isolation #10) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:34 am

In post 37, DonCorleone wrote:How about this: I read the game instead of playing, once I get to 4 townreads we make them + me the coalition and if I’m wrong you lynch me?

Sounds kinda boring. Playing is more interesting that just sitting back and reading.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #65 (isolation #11) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:35 am

Pooky, you ignored my request for a fight, now you're ready for DC's boring plan.... wtf?

SleeperSoul · Post Post #68 (isolation #12) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:38 am

In post 66, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I'm reading you as town why would I fight you

So that I can read YOU!

SleeperSoul · Post Post #69 (isolation #13) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:38 am

as town

SleeperSoul · Post Post #74 (isolation #14) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:50 am

In post 71, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
In post 67, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:HEAL: DEIMOS
HEAL: SLEEPERSOUL
HEAL: DC
HEAL: Pooky
HEAL: Votato

fixed tags
Hmm, you dropped Bug Spray and me from the lovers game, how interesting.

I mean, bugspray was apparently playing more chess than mafia last game, soo......

SleeperSoul · Post Post #78 (isolation #15) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:02 am

In post 76, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
In post 74, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 71, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
In post 67, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:HEAL: DEIMOS
HEAL: SLEEPERSOUL
HEAL: DC
HEAL: Pooky
HEAL: Votato

fixed tags
Hmm, you dropped Bug Spray and me from the lovers game, how interesting.
I mean, bugspray was apparently playing more chess than mafia last game, soo......
They were still town though.

@bugspray what do you think of all this? I didn't include you in my coalition either because I barely read you last game.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #90 (isolation #16) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:26 am

In post 85, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 80, Clover Ebi wrote:
In post 79, votato wrote:have you already sorted me pooky? or do i need to do more?
Is this real? As in do you think pooky should be able to have a read on you already?
We were lovers in a past life

Hey that's my line!

SleeperSoul · Post Post #91 (isolation #17) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:28 am

In post 87, votato wrote:we arent gonna discuss day 2 because
it could help scum
to discuss it now.

If this is actually true, town points for votato

SleeperSoul · Post Post #95 (isolation #18) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:41 am

In post 93, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
In post 91, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 87, votato wrote:we arent gonna discuss day 2 because
it could help scum
to discuss it now.
If this is actually true, town points for votato
If you don't know, why say anything?

I dunno, because I'm a tinfoil hat nutter? And it's also kind of a reaction test, isn't it?

votato I'm not obvtown yet?

SleeperSoul · Post Post #97 (isolation #19) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:44 am

In post 96, Tuxedo Mask wrote:"if this is actually untrue, scum points for Votato."

yes, I agree with that but didn't mention it. I thought that by conditionally giving votato town points, I might be able to read him by his reaction

SleeperSoul · Post Post #98 (isolation #20) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:47 am

unconditional town points for tux for asking about this, by the way

SleeperSoul · Post Post #102 (isolation #21) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:49 am

So far my only read is slightly townie on tux.

He was also my first town read in the lovers game.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #106 (isolation #22) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:51 am

In post 103, votato wrote:you trying to bait me into explaining it makes me think you're scum.

Sounds like something I would say.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #109 (isolation #23) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:57 am

In post 107, Clover Ebi wrote:
In post 103, votato wrote:
In post 100, Clover Ebi wrote:
In post 87, votato wrote:we arent gonna discuss day 2 because it could help scum to discuss it now.
How so?
explaining that would help scum. you trying to bait me into explaining it makes me think you're scum.[/quo*te]

blink
...Huh? I am just-huh?! You think talking about day 2 helps scum and because I asked for more detail why I'm scummy for it... am I getting that all right?

I'm my unresearched opinion, discussing day 2 could help town too.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #113 (isolation #24) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:02 am

In post 104, votato wrote:
In post 95, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 93, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
In post 91, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 87, votato wrote:we arent gonna discuss day 2 because
it could help scum
to discuss it now.
If this is actually true, town points for votato
If you don't know, why say anything?
I dunno, because I'm a tinfoil hat nutter? And it's also kind of a reaction test, isn't it?

votato I'm not obvtown yet?
no not yet because there's something i want you to be doing that you arent.

Do you need me to mess up and feel guilty about it, and start floundering?

In post 105, votato wrote:it could be my fault that you arent doing it.

Why is it your fault?

SleeperSoul · Post Post #114 (isolation #25) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:04 am

Or does a scum have to help inspire me to feel indignation?

SleeperSoul · Post Post #116 (isolation #26) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:05 am

Well I'm not obvtown so it looks like I did mess up

SleeperSoul · Post Post #117 (isolation #27) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:07 am

In post 113, SleeperSoul wrote:no not yet because there's something i want you to be doing that you arent.

Maybe I need to become gobsmacked by indignation.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #118 (isolation #28) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:09 am

If I was gobsmacked by indignation, that would be a good time to pocket me.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #121 (isolation #29) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:14 am

very very slight town lean on votato, tux is slightly ahead on town points

SleeperSoul · Post Post #122 (isolation #30) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:15 am

Who can pocket me first!?!?

nah I'm not afraid of tux pocketing me

SleeperSoul · Post Post #123 (isolation #31) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:21 am

votato, if I was scum, I don't think I'd be enjoying this game as much

SleeperSoul · Post Post #126 (isolation #32) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:25 am

In post 105, votato wrote:it could be my fault that you arent doing it.

I think maybe votato needs me to 'be serious and try harder', and it's his fault for showing me how to win the game in a lighthearted manner

SleeperSoul · Post Post #128 (isolation #33) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:27 am

In post 126, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 105, votato wrote:it could be my fault that you arent doing it.

I think maybe votato needs me to 'be serious and try harder', and it's his fault for showing me how to win the game in a lighthearted manner

Well he didn't really show me HOW because I seem to be failing at that at the moment haha. But he DID show me it was possible!

SleeperSoul · Post Post #129 (isolation #34) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:29 am

In post 127, votato wrote:
In post 126, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 105, votato wrote:it could be my fault that you arent doing it.

I think maybe votato needs me to 'be serious and try harder', and it's his fault for showing me how to win the game in a lighthearted manner
oh interesting. because i showed you how to win the game as scum by being lighthearted. but not as town. thats not it though, but VERY HMMMMM...

Shit, I didn't think of that factor. You know I tend to make mental shortcuts like you.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #130 (isolation #35) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:30 am

Thinking about that, I will try to be more serious from now on to help town win.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #132 (isolation #36) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:35 am

Well you just gained a few more town points but I'd say you're about even with tux, both reads aren't very strong.

Everyone else, I'm afraid to mention because the reads aren't solid enough and I don't want to be too flip floppy.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #133 (isolation #37) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:37 am

I've tossed out my soulread on deimos, I think it was "our souls are very different".

SleeperSoul · Post Post #135 (isolation #38) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:41 am

Also not sure about pooky so for now I'll just remove him from my coalition so that it contains both of my town reads.

HURT: pooky

p:edit okay well I guess I have a slight scum read on pooky, but you just gained a fraction of a scum point for leading me down the path of flip floppiness.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #136 (isolation #39) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:46 am

See now, I don't like that you made me admit I had a 'slight scum read' on pooky, because now it's going away and coming back by the second... annoying!

SleeperSoul · Post Post #137 (isolation #40) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:49 am

Admitting my reads affects reaction testing, votato must know that I'm all about the reaction testing.... hmmm

SleeperSoul · Post Post #139 (isolation #41) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:51 am

He didn't fight me.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #141 (isolation #42) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:56 am

I think the bottom layer of the sandwhich is black beans by the way. I'd take a bite out of that.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #143 (isolation #43) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:58 am

I doubt it's marmite. I have some in my cupboard.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #146 (isolation #44) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:38 am

In post 139, SleeperSoul wrote:He didn't fight me.

In post 140, votato wrote:lol

I mean, we town read eachother while 'fighting' last game.... So him not wanting to do it this game came off as AI. you think it's NAI?

SleeperSoul · Post Post #147 (isolation #45) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:39 am

Hey @bugspray are you going to get mislynched again this game because of inactivity?

SleeperSoul · Post Post #150 (isolation #46) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:50 am

In post 148, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:um me getting mislynched that game had literally nothing to do with bugspray, he literally wasn't even playing that game lolol

I mean, I would have been more on board with the final sacrifice if I had any read on bugspray. Don't want to make a similar mistake this game.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #152 (isolation #47) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:54 am

In post 149, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 146, SleeperSoul wrote:I mean, we town read eachother while 'fighting' last game.... So him not wanting to do it this game came off as AI. you think it's NAI?
For it to be a true fight, there must be consequences - life and death -lynch or let live. Without the danger there can be no information gained.

Well, this makes sense. I'd vote you now to stir up shit but I'm legit 50/50 on you right now. Maybe 51% town.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #156 (isolation #48) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:59 am

In post 151, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:bugspray was pretty easy to read as town

he literally wasn't even there lol

I don't know how you read bugspray.
Maybe the chess moves were townie? hehe

SleeperSoul · Post Post #160 (isolation #49) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:04 am

In post 153, votato wrote:
In post 152, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 149, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 146, SleeperSoul wrote:I mean, we town read eachother while 'fighting' last game.... So him not wanting to do it this game came off as AI. you think it's NAI?
For it to be a true fight, there must be consequences - life and death -lynch or let live. Without the danger there can be no information gained.
Well, this makes sense. I'd vote you now to stir up shit but I'm legit 50/50 on you right now. Maybe 51% town.
what changed?

pedit that makes sense pooky

I considered the possibility that him not wanting to fight was NAI.... He seems to be mimicking his town play from the lovers game. Everything so far cancels out to 51% town.

next pedit: ah yeah.... actually if I count myself as town then everyone else has exactly 75% chance of being town. I calculated this yesterday. still...

SleeperSoul · Post Post #161 (isolation #50) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:04 am

In post 157, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 156, SleeperSoul wrote:I don't know how you read bugspray.
Maybe the chess moves were townie? hehe

This is the only thing he said to me in our PT:

"i still sr your slot so i dont have a real reason to engage with u"

If he's scum he's trying to manipulate me and snow me, he was a 0-effort townie instead.

this makes sense

SleeperSoul · Post Post #162 (isolation #51) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:06 am

I wasn't thinking about mathematical probabilities when I said pooky is 51% town.... That's just a descriptor of my slight town lean on him.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #163 (isolation #52) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:21 am

In post 160, SleeperSoul wrote:actually if I count myself as town then everyone else has exactly 75% chance of being town. I calculated this yesterday.

Also, according to my calculations, there are 28 possible scum pairs in this game if I count myself as town.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #164 (isolation #53) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:22 am

I didn't do any calculations for me as scum.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #166 (isolation #54) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:27 am

In post 165, votato wrote:sleeper, if you were scum who would your buddy be?

I have no idea, probably the person who's talked the least. bugspray?

I said that without even thinking about it. I have never had any plans on how to play scum, I'm terrible at it. Or I have been in the past at least.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #167 (isolation #55) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:33 am

My 'plan' as scum is to just 'be quiet'.... It has never worked.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #169 (isolation #56) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:38 am

In post 168, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:yea you'd be pretty terrible as scum ngl

PREACH!

SleeperSoul · Post Post #176 (isolation #57) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:47 am

In post 170, Deimos27 wrote:In post 163, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 160, SleeperSoul wrote:
actually if I count myself as town then everyone else has exactly 75% chance of being town. I calculated this yesterday.

Also, according to my calculations, there are 28 possible scum pairs in this game if I count myself as town.

And what value does this latter calculation provide you? What is the value of outing it?

HEAL: pooky
His 'brutal honesty' about my ability to play scum reminds me of when we fought last game.

HEAL: deimos

You seem like a concerned townie. The calculation up there doesn't provide any value except for 'making me readable' to soul readers. I'm trying to show you guys my state of mind as a townie... I calculated it yesterday as a townie. It's borderline useless information..... but it is the truth.

pedit deimos is my strongest town read atm

SleeperSoul · Post Post #178 (isolation #58) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:49 am

pooky was town

real recognizes real

it's hard to explain

SleeperSoul · Post Post #180 (isolation #59) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:51 am

we were both town

SleeperSoul · Post Post #181 (isolation #60) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 9:53 am

I've never played scum in forum mafia.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #189 (isolation #61) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:01 am

This is my third forum game.

[redacted]

I played some IRL avalon with friends in high school who are used to my shenanigans and trust my intuition highly.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #193 (isolation #62) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:05 am

In post 186, bugspray wrote:why the fuck did i /in to a game thats all about talking to each other i wanna fucking do setup analysis
can someone tell me who scum is so i can coialitioon

Mafia is what is known as a

social deduction

game, which is based on talking with people.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #197 (isolation #63) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:07 am

In post 194, Deimos27 wrote:Ok, I buy 182. I do want to be
very
careful about calling activity town-AI in a setup that incentivises scum activity/towntelling, but I think the fact that Sleeper actually has 0 experience with scum more than compensates for that, and his spamming + lack of self-awareness is more likely towny than not.

Yep, lack of self-awareness... that's me!

SleeperSoul · Post Post #198 (isolation #64) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:10 am

If town needs me to stop spamming just remind me and I'll take a break.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #203 (isolation #65) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:16 am

In post 192, Tuxedo Mask wrote:I don't have a town read of Pooky, they said in Lovers that they post way less as scum. And while they're posting more than many others in this game, they are posting way less than themselves.
They are also being way less confrontational.

Pooky came into that game under fire from my vote on the slot he replaced. I'd expect him to be a little less confrontational here.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #262 (isolation #66) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:43 am

In post 240, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
In post 239, DonCorleone wrote:Tux reading the thread but not commenting on my callout is also a bad look lol
I don't comment on call outs. If you have questions for me I'll answer them. If there is a conversation to be had I'll have it. You just saying I'm scum and then saying you won't explain would be a waste of everyone's time to comment on.

tux, what's gotten into you? To me this doesn't seem like the townie tux from last game.

HURT: tux

SleeperSoul · Post Post #266 (isolation #67) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:46 am

In post 236, DonCorleone wrote:
In post 230, DonCorleone wrote:
In post 227, Alduskkel wrote:ok but if your coalition fails then you're just going to say "ok i was wrong but i'm town so you shouldn't lynch me"
I would never
Building on this: I think it probably would be best to lynch me if I am sheeped on a coalition and it’s wrong. I doubt I’d be so wrong as to have both scum in it, which would mean 1 scum inside and 1 scum outside. If I get lynched so be it, I can give my best bet on who’s the scum inside it first, and then you’ll know that I’m straight up when I get flipped. Then unless scum wanna narrow it down further, they’ll prob kill outside the coalition which will mean D2 two pools of (3 town, 1 scum)(2 town, 1 scum)

If you get the scum inside the coalition on D2 then you’re gold going into D3 and it probably makes the most sense to look outside the coalition D3/4, plus NKA will probably be useful.

And the plus plus is in a case where I’m very wrong and there are two scum in the coalition, you’ll have a raw 66% chance to lynch scum on D3 assuming no kills inside the coalition and a mislynch D2 (earlier possible lylo situation) which is p good.

The only really worrying scenario is D3 if there’s only 1 scum in the coalition, that would prob be the hardest one to solve, but again, I figure it’s unlikely

HEAL: dc I only get a slight twinge of paranoia just because this plan is a little bit over my head, but you seem way townie and I trust you at this point.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #270 (isolation #68) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:53 am

[ongoing game reference]

SleeperSoul · Post Post #273 (isolation #69) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:54 am

[ongoing game reference]

SleeperSoul · Post Post #279 (isolation #70) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:59 am

In post 276, Datisi wrote:
This is a public reminder to not talk about other ongoing games. Thank you.

Sorry! I'll send it to you for approval if I'm ever confused about this in the future, but I probably just wont talk about it anymore.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #281 (isolation #71) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:00 pm

In post 278, Tuxedo Mask wrote:Not talking about whatever other game you're playing with them. I will say this. You said like word for word the same thing in Lovers. Votato was scum then, does that not give you pause?

No, because his caution towards me earlier this comes across as townie..... and even without that fact, just no.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #284 (isolation #72) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:04 pm

[ongoing game reference]

SleeperSoul · Post Post #286 (isolation #73) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:08 pm

[ongoing game reference]

SleeperSoul · Post Post #289 (isolation #74) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:11 pm

yeah I will not address this any further

sorry for bringing it up

SleeperSoul · Post Post #291 (isolation #75) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:13 pm

In post 290, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
In post 288, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:you guys should drop this subject and just scrub sleeper's comments for the last 2 pages just to avoid tainting the other game
Yeah, sorry. I wasn't trying to talk about the game, just make a point about history repeating. Sorry Daitsi.

you are making a good point though, so that gives you some townie points.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #294 (isolation #76) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 12:50 pm

Datisi seems to be really on top of the modding game.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #296 (isolation #77) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:58 pm

In post 295, votato wrote:
In post 184, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:if Sleepersoul was scum this is what he would look like:

can we lynch this gif?

lol!
I mean, it's pretty accurate....

SleeperSoul · Post Post #298 (isolation #78) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:19 pm

In post 296, SleeperSoul wrote:lol!
I mean, it's pretty accurate....

except that the pony looks kinda pissed. I usually only get pissed as town. it would be more accurate if she looked more nervous.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #301 (isolation #79) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:29 pm

ok towniepooky, get back to work now :p

SleeperSoul · Post Post #312 (isolation #80) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:01 pm

In post 310, votato wrote:
In post 296, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 295, votato wrote:
In post 184, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:if Sleepersoul was scum this is what he would look like:

can we lynch this gif?

lol!
I mean, it's pretty accurate....
how would you know without being scum?

avalon scum

SleeperSoul · Post Post #314 (isolation #81) » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:05 pm

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11919367

I think votato was maybe hesitant to accept that I'm town because he feels guilty for pocketing me last game since I'm so pure and innocent, and he expects karma to bite him this game or something.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #330 (isolation #82) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:41 am

In post 322, DkKoba wrote:
In post 302, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 300, Datisi wrote:
bugspray has requested replacement.
clearly this means he's scum

if he's townie he'd just be sleeping through this game and show up sometime after the game is over
ok scum

I thought this was a reference to our previous game where I was adamant on lynching pooky's slot for replacing for NAI reasons. I thought 'overgamed' meant 'outplayed'.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #331 (isolation #83) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:43 am

So I didn't take it seriously...

SleeperSoul · Post Post #352 (isolation #84) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:58 am

I'm gonna take myself out of my coalition just to make sure things don't get ahead of me like last game.

HURT: SleeperSoul

Or is that not gonna help? I still feel the sting of the days of last game ending sooner than I wanted.

I'm not sure how I feel about Koba. You guys seem a lot more certain lol

SleeperSoul · Post Post #361 (isolation #85) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:00 am

I'm just worried about the coalition solidifying too fast.

assume that I will put myself in at the end.... or does that not work?

SleeperSoul · Post Post #363 (isolation #86) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:01 am

votato is my most iffy coalition member, maybe I should take him out instead of me?

SleeperSoul · Post Post #364 (isolation #87) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:01 am

HEAL: SleeperSoul
HURT: votato

SleeperSoul · Post Post #366 (isolation #88) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:02 am

k thanks

SleeperSoul · Post Post #394 (isolation #89) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:16 am

In post 388, DkKoba wrote:Interesting that Tuxedo Mask is getting pushed aside when their scumhunting is legitimate and I would put them as my top townread here going through how they pushed on Pooky. I would like to pick Tux's brain here because I trust them the most based on content so far.

tinfoil moment: you are top scum and tux is the bottom

tux just seems different from last game to me so that comes off slightly scum but I don't know.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #398 (isolation #90) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:17 am

In post 396, DonCorleone wrote:
In post 394, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 388, DkKoba wrote:Interesting that Tuxedo Mask is getting pushed aside when their scumhunting is legitimate and I would put them as my top townread here going through how they pushed on Pooky. I would like to pick Tux's brain here because I trust them the most based on content so far.
tinfoil moment: you are top scum and tux is the bottom

tux just seems different from last game to me so that comes off slightly scum but I don't know.
Try to expand on what seems different to you

Good tip, I'll think about it harder and get back to you.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #406 (isolation #91) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:31 am

In post 476, Tuxedo Mask wrote:Why am I so easily won over by just being town read?

I guess I just felt more like tux was 'sadtown' or more concerned feeling last game. This game it seems more like 'madtown'.... I could see it still being townie though.

In post 240, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
In post 239, DonCorleone wrote:Tux reading the thread but not commenting on my callout is also a bad look lol
I don't comment on call outs. If you have questions for me I'll answer them. If there is a conversation to be had I'll have it. You just saying I'm scum and then saying you won't explain would be a waste of everyone's time to comment on.

Or maybe the difference is that last game I posted some somber music and this game I started out with bouncing bloody ferguson haha

SleeperSoul · Post Post #407 (isolation #92) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:36 am

In post 406, SleeperSoul wrote:Or maybe the difference is that last game I posted some somber music and this game I started out with bouncing bloody ferguson haha

This could be relevant because someone's emotional perception of me affects my ability to soul read them.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #408 (isolation #93) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:43 am

Maybe he just has some irl stuff putting him on edge.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #412 (isolation #94) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:00 am

is that an explanation?

SleeperSoul · Post Post #414 (isolation #95) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:04 am

votato you seemed to care that I was town reading you

HEAL: votato

SleeperSoul · Post Post #417 (isolation #96) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:41 am

In post 416, Tuxedo Mask wrote:@Sleeper in your own words why are the people in your coalition there?

Mostly just because I'm townreading them (lol duh) but I'm not really looking for scum. So the weaker town reads aren't going in and neither are the non-reads. I can put more effort (reread) into backing this up later.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #422 (isolation #97) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:42 am

In post 419, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
In post 406, SleeperSoul wrote:I guess I just felt more like tux was 'sadtown' or more concerned feeling last game. This game it seems more like 'madtown'.... I could see it still being townie though.
Care to elaborate on this, because as it stands I don't believe you.

Basicly, I'm sensing a difference in emotion but I have not sussed out how AI it is or if it even is AI at all. I mean.... I feel different from this game and last game and I'm still town.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #435 (isolation #98) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:48 am

In post 430, Tuxedo Mask wrote:Sleeper: I think they're town, just tonally. They're certainly being heavily influenced by other people's reads which they did last game. But I am pinged by them saying I feel tonally different. The post they clipped was a joke about me saying it sucks I'm so easily pocketed, and they seemed to think I was an angry townie enough that game because they sent me an apology thinking they had pissed me off.

In post 434, Tuxedo Mask wrote:My current tin foil hat is scum Votato and Bear are just pocketing Sleeper again.

I would be more inclined to believe your tinfoil theory if you had acknowledged that you are/can be feeling different this game as town. But I do think it's a towny statement. Still 50/50 on you.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #437 (isolation #99) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:54 am

In post 436, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
In post 435, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 430, Tuxedo Mask wrote:Sleeper: I think they're town, just tonally. They're certainly being heavily influenced by other people's reads which they did last game. But I am pinged by them saying I feel tonally different. The post they clipped was a joke about me saying it sucks I'm so easily pocketed, and they seemed to think I was an angry townie enough that game because they sent me an apology thinking they had pissed me off.

In post 434, Tuxedo Mask wrote:My current tin foil hat is scum Votato and Bear are just pocketing Sleeper again.
I would be more inclined to believe your tinfoil theory if you had acknowledged that you are/can be feeling different this game as town. But I do think it's a towny statement. Still 50/50 on you.
I do know I can feel different, that wasn't what I said to you. I was saying that what you sited as me feeling different did not ring true. If you don't think I was an angry townie last game why did you apologize for "getting me salty"?

Well I didn't think you were angry townie at the beginning of last the game, only near the end. I will say this, in both games your emotions seem to be very consistent, except for the moment you seemed to become angry last game.

SleeperSoul · Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:06 am

In post 438, DkKoba wrote:
In post 435, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 430, Tuxedo Mask wrote:Sleeper: I think they're town, just tonally. They're certainly being heavily influenced by other people's reads which they did last game. But I am pinged by them saying I feel tonally different. The post they clipped was a joke about me saying it sucks I'm so easily pocketed, and they seemed to think I was an angry townie enough that game because they sent me an apology thinking they had pissed me off.

In post 434, Tuxedo Mask wrote:My current tin foil hat is scum Votato and Bear are just pocketing Sleeper again.
I would be more inclined to believe your tinfoil theory if you had acknowledged that you are/can be feeling different this game as town. But I do think it's a towny statement. Still 50/50 on you.
Is it a Town or a Scum statement.

the statement is town but scum can also make town statements to NAI

SleeperSoul · Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:10 am

In post 442, Deimos27 wrote:
In post 440, SleeperSoul wrote:the statement is town but scum can also make town statements to NAI
Sleeper, the inner machinations of your mind are truly an enigma.

*so NAI

I knew we were very different souls!

SleeperSoul · Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:54 pm

is this another tvt?

SleeperSoul · Post Post #507 (isolation #103) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:52 pm

In post 497, DkKoba wrote:
In post 440, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 438, DkKoba wrote:
In post 435, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 430, Tuxedo Mask wrote:Sleeper: I think they're town, just tonally. They're certainly being heavily influenced by other people's reads which they did last game. But I am pinged by them saying I feel tonally different. The post they clipped was a joke about me saying it sucks I'm so easily pocketed, and they seemed to think I was an angry townie enough that game because they sent me an apology thinking they had pissed me off.

In post 434, Tuxedo Mask wrote:My current tin foil hat is scum Votato and Bear are just pocketing Sleeper again.
I would be more inclined to believe your tinfoil theory if you had acknowledged that you are/can be feeling different this game as town. But I do think it's a towny statement. Still 50/50 on you.
Is it a Town or a Scum statement.
the statement is town but scum can also make town statements to NAI
Ok sleeper but is it town in this context. It stood out to you.

yes it's a townie statement in this context. i should have said townie instead of town but typing quickly.

also since reading me town, tux seems a lot more town to me. go figure

SleeperSoul · Post Post #510 (isolation #104) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 1:56 pm

right now i guess I feel tux is townier than DC but that's more because tux is my recent town read and DC was an earlier one and I still haven't reread to substantiate my reads for tux

HURT: DC
HEAL: tux

SleeperSoul · Post Post #515 (isolation #105) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:01 pm

pooky i remember you said something about not accepting my request for a fight
you didn't accept because it wasn't life and death

i was just wanted to read you

i think if you were scum trying to pocket me you would have been more likely to fight me.

pedit pretty sure pooky is town

hes more town than dc

SleeperSoul · Post Post #518 (isolation #106) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:06 pm

In post 516, DkKoba wrote:Why are you "pretty sure" he is town

he said i'd be shit at scum and he's probably right

at least i am in irl avalon

never played scum in forum this is my third game

SleeperSoul · Post Post #522 (isolation #107) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:09 pm

In post 520, DkKoba wrote:again you missed my question ((

I'm asking you to analyze his push.

and to make a read on me.

sorry im a soul reader

pookys soul is so loud that no analysis is really needed

can't do one now or probably tonight, sorry

SleeperSoul · Post Post #523 (isolation #108) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:09 pm

i mean i shouldn't be posting i should just come back tomorrow

SleeperSoul · Post Post #533 (isolation #109) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:23 pm

koba since i think pooky is town, my tvt question implies that I am unsure of your alignment
that is the case

k see you tomorrow

pedit yikes!

SleeperSoul · Post Post #534 (isolation #110) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:23 pm

this is bad timing DC why are jumping in like this i gotta go

SleeperSoul · Post Post #695 (isolation #111) » Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:17 pm

In post 694, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I throw sheep entrails at the wall and the blood spray pattern will reveal who the bad people are

I knew you were wicked. pooky is scum, guys. gnight

HURT: pooky

SleeperSoul · Post Post #716 (isolation #112) » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:22 am

I wrote the post you are reading right now before bed.

Hey guys I'm back to catch up on everything and substantiate my reads. Before I look at everything I just want to say that my 'scum read' on pooky was a reaction test/joke. dKKona, if you're scum I'd say your playstyle is questionable. Okay time to catch up now.

In post 695, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 694, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I throw sheep entrails at the wall and the blood spray pattern will reveal who the bad people are
I knew you were wicked. pooky is scum, guys. gnight

HURT: pooky

SleeperSoul · Post Post #721 (isolation #113) » Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:35 am

I'm working hard. Get your brain ready for a massive post. I hope it's worth it.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #723 (isolation #114) » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:16 am

Substantiating my coalition reads from before post 417. Listed from strongest to weakest:

*****Pooky*****:

Spoiler:

In post 21, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:let's win this first day boys

get it done

In post 22, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I think we have a 85% chance of winning this game outright if townies act really townie

let's do it

Same plan as me.

In post 24, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:DC pretty susp

a real townie would've said yes

Cute little quips like this remind me of town!Pooky from the lovers game.

In post 29, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I think there are 2 high-ev methods to play day 1.

1) we figure out 5 definite townies, throw em in the coalition - win the game.

2) we throw the 5 worst players in the coalition - if they're scum we will kick their asses in the real game cuz they're bad.

The first plan makes perfect sense. I think the second plan is bait for scum to hang themselves with.

In post 36, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 34, votato wrote:we also won't know how many scum are in the coalition yes? So that's a bad plan there pooky.
50% of my mafia play is making bad plans and seeing who figures out they are terrible.

Votato a real G here

Pooky acknowledges his scumbait plan. town points for both votato and pooky.

In post 65, SleeperSoul wrote:Pooky, you ignored my request for a fight, now you're ready for DC's boring plan.... wtf?

In post 66, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I'm reading you as town why would I fight you

In post 149, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 146, SleeperSoul wrote:I mean, we town read eachother while 'fighting' last game.... So him not wanting to do it this game came off as AI. you think it's NAI?
For it to be a true fight, there must be consequences - life and death -lynch or let live. Without the danger there can be no information gained.

A quick, calm, logical town!rebuttal. I think pooky would have gotten more excited at the opportunity to pocket me by fighting if he was scum.

In post 169, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 168, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:yea you'd be pretty terrible as scum ngl
PREACH!

This is where I become pretty much locktown on pooky. The next post is Deimos's first long quotey townie post, afterwards pooky responds by showing he's on the same page about me.

In post 172, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:sleeper has to be town

if he was scum he would've told us all about it by now

*****Deimos27*****:

Spoiler:

In post 6, Deimos27 wrote:Anyone wanna form a townblock?

He has the same plan I do.

In post 20, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:deimos my number 1 townread right now

he's so clueless he has to be town

Pooky is 'brutaly honest' in defense of him. The honesty makes pooky and deimos seem town.

In post 55, Deimos27 wrote:DC, how about you play the game like normal.
And you actually case your solve.
And people sheep you only if they agree with you?

This comes accross as very serioustownie to me.

In post 170, Deimos27 wrote:
In post 57, DonCorleone wrote:
In post 55, Deimos27 wrote:DC, how about you play the game like normal.
And you actually case your solve.
And people sheep you only if they agree with you?
I prefer option a) I solve the game and everyone sheeps me and then I get lynched upon BoP if I’m wrong

In post 58, DonCorleone wrote:Whats the matter Deimos, worried?
Worried about trusting the game to one player who I know nothing of? Yes, naturally.
I don't have such blind faith in you, nor lack of self-esteem for myself, that I would readily agree your strategy is higher EV than a cooperative, interactive one, where I still get to rely on my own judgment.
In post 91, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 87, votato wrote:we arent gonna discuss day 2 because
it could help scum
to discuss it now.
If this is actually true, town points for votato
... what?
In post 94, votato wrote:
In post 92, Tuxedo Mask wrote:HEAL: Deimos

HEAL: Alduskkel

HEAL: Clover

HEAL: Sleeper

HEAL: Tux
thats an interesting list. to me none of those people are obvtown. maybe deimos? but no its too early to say for deimos. actually, deimos is leaning the other way at this early stage.
Pretty significant progression to go from Deimos is maybe obvtown to Deimos is leaning "the other way" (I assume that means scum). Walk me through your thought process there?
In post 107, Clover Ebi wrote:
In post 103, votato wrote:
In post 100, Clover Ebi wrote:
In post 87, votato wrote:we arent gonna discuss day 2 because it could help scum to discuss it now.
How so?
explaining that would help scum. you trying to bait me into explaining it makes me think you're scum.[/quo*te]

blink
...Huh? I am just-huh?! You think talking about day 2 helps scum and because I asked for more detail why I'm scummy for it... am I getting that all right?
Yes, that's exactly right, and his argument was pretty straightforward so I dislike this seeming indignation.
In post 163, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 160, SleeperSoul wrote:actually if I count myself as town then everyone else has exactly 75% chance of being town. I calculated this yesterday.
Also, according to my calculations, there are 28 possible scum pairs in this game if I count myself as town.
And what value does this latter calculation provide you? What is the value of outing it?

Deimos makes his first superDUPERserioustownie post. At this point I am reading him as town.

In post 173, Deimos27 wrote:This some kind of metaread? I get gutpings from like every one of his posts.

Deimos expresses doubt on pooky's confidence on me, like a good townie should.

*****votato*****:

Spoiler:

In post 19, votato wrote:dc are you scum?

This rubs

me

as town votato, probably 'should be' NAI

In post 34, votato wrote:we also won't know how many scum are in the coalition yes? So that's a bad plan there pooky.

votato recognizes that pooky's scumbait plan is 'bad'.

In post 36, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 34, votato wrote:we also won't know how many scum are in the coalition yes? So that's a bad plan there pooky.
50% of my mafia play is making bad plans and seeing who figures out they are terrible.

Votato a real G here

Pooky acknowledges his scumbait plan. town points for both votato and pooky.

In post 43, SleeperSoul wrote:Initial tinfoil-hat solve: pooky and votato are pocketing me.

In post 44, SleeperSoul wrote:votato pocketed me in the lovers game

In post 45, votato wrote:Sleeper you're doing pretty well for your first scum game

Sounds like town!votato wary of me pocketing him.

In post 81, votato wrote:
In post 80, Clover Ebi wrote:
In post 79, votato wrote:have you already sorted me pooky? or do i need to do more?
Is this real? As in do you think pooky should be able to have a read on you already?
yes.

I agree with votato. I dunno about 'should be able to', but it certainly seems plausible.

In post 82, votato wrote:i have already sorted pooky with 90% accuracy.

I buy this.

In post 87, votato wrote:
In post 84, Clover Ebi wrote:Also a question I was thinking about pregame and would like some opinions on: Say we fail this day one. Is it best to lynch inside the Coli day 1 or go outside it to see if-you know what the more I type out this post the more stupid I feel nevermind
pedit: I can't tell if this is a joke
we arent gonna discuss day 2 because it could help scum to discuss it now.
its serious.

I agree with votato here.

In post 94, votato wrote:
In post 92, Tuxedo Mask wrote:HEAL: Deimos

HEAL: Alduskkel

HEAL: Clover

HEAL: Sleeper

HEAL: Tux
thats an interesting list. to me none of those people are obvtown. maybe deimos? but no its too early to say for deimos. actually, deimos is leaning the other way at this early stage.

Seems townie to me. Logical post from concerned a townie.

In post 106, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 103, votato wrote:you trying to bait me into explaining it makes me think you're scum.

Sounds like something I would say.

Something I'd say as town.

In post 110, votato wrote:yes. talking about scum's optimal strategy only helps scum at this stage. insisting that we discuss scum's optimal strategy and in fact trying to goad me into explaining what i think that strategy is, is scummy.

Another logical concernedtownie post.

*****DonCorleone*****:

Spoiler:

ME:

Spoiler:

Okay, that's my reads substantiated, now I will finish catching up on everyhing.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #726 (isolation #115) » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:23 am

I posted my substantiations more for Tux than for you dKKona, I'd say if you are town your playstyle is

VERY

questionable.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #728 (isolation #116) » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:27 am

In post 727, Datisi wrote:
Wug replaces Tuxedo Mask, awaiting confirmation.

votato has requested replacement.

Wow this is unfortunate. I almost want to replace too but I don't want to quit.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #731 (isolation #117) » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:31 am

I learned this game that votato is apparantly the 'new hot shit'. That makes me fawning over him even more hilarious! Well, consider me your (friendly) rival votato! I've made it part of my mission to convince the mafiascum community of the undeniable reality of empathy/intuition, I'll be trying very hard!

SleeperSoul · Post Post #733 (isolation #118) » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:34 am

Don't leave me, pooky!

Hey wug, what u got?

SleeperSoul · Post Post #735 (isolation #119) » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:50 am

Here's some stuff from tux I found while substantiating my reads for him. These posts seemed townie to me.

In post 76, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
In post 74, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 71, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
In post 67, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:HEAL: DEIMOS
HEAL: SLEEPERSOUL
HEAL: DC
HEAL: Pooky
HEAL: Votato

fixed tags
Hmm, you dropped Bug Spray and me from the lovers game, how interesting.
I mean, bugspray was apparently playing more chess than mafia last game, soo......
They were still town though.

In post 93, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
In post 91, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 87, votato wrote:we arent gonna discuss day 2 because
it could help scum
to discuss it now.
If this is actually true, town points for votato
If you don't know, why say anything?

In post 99, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
In post 97, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 96, Tuxedo Mask wrote:"if this is actually untrue, scum points for Votato."

yes, I agree with that but didn't mention it. I thought that by conditionally giving votato town points, I might be able to read him by his reaction
Okay, town points to Vtato.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #737 (isolation #120) » Thu Jun 25, 2020 4:54 am

In post 736, Wug wrote:read a few pages

pooky town
votato town
clover town

sleeper
not so town
maybe town?

don and deimos idk

why pooky town?

SleeperSoul · Post Post #739 (isolation #121) » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:00 am

In post 738, Wug wrote:
In post 737, SleeperSoul wrote:why pooky town?
29 and 31 were towny

the idea is bad but it's towny to have it and then post it without thinking too hard about it

ok makes sense

SleeperSoul · Post Post #757 (isolation #122) » Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:29 am

HURT: tux/wug

HEAL: dc

dc seems more towny than the tuxwug slot at the moment, especially with his recent contributions. I support his sit back and read strategy.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #759 (isolation #123) » Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:37 am

What do you mean by that klick? You think there is one scum between them? I doubt that.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #770 (isolation #124) » Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:57 am

In post 769, Deimos27 wrote:I'm paranoid enough of Pooky and DC to replace them for Koba and Tux

Can you say more about why you're paranoid of DC?

SleeperSoul · Post Post #771 (isolation #125) » Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:58 am

you're making me paranoid! HURT: dc

him and tux are still fighting over the weakest slot in my coalition

SleeperSoul · Post Post #781 (isolation #126) » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:21 am

Deimos, I see in the VC that you're voting me but also putting me in your coalition. What gives?

pedit: dang you're good. These are good points.... you're making me paranoid of pooky too though I still town read him pretty strong

SleeperSoul · Post Post #786 (isolation #127) » Thu Jun 25, 2020 7:30 am

I will say that Koba's style kind of reminds me of a way more oblivious and stubborn version of myself.... so that sort of comes accross as town. But I'm having trouble reading them. They just seem super ticked off in general. NAI

SleeperSoul · Post Post #878 (isolation #128) » Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:00 pm

Koba you seem more townie as I caught up again.

post 839 rung as town to me. Again, reminding me of myself finally accepting a competing viewpoint.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11932768

quote="In post 827, Deimos27"]

Spoiler:

I want it known that I am exercising a great degree of restraint in recognising that the way Sleeper is sucking up to me here is probably NAI for him. From anyone else this would hella ping me as hard buddying.[/quote]

@deimos
Your logic is on a level much higher than mine, thus I am impressed. This also fits in with my "we are very different souls" comment at the beginning of the game.

Also, thanks for your conversation with koba as that helped improve my read on them.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #885 (isolation #129) » Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:27 am

you still seem like stubborn oblivious town koba

SleeperSoul · Post Post #890 (isolation #130) » Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:47 am

In post 887, DkKoba wrote:
In post 885, SleeperSoul wrote:you still seem like stubborn oblivious town koba
Can you quote the posts that give you this vibe?

Koba, I'm not really interested in engaging with you in combat. I just think you're misguided town.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #894 (isolation #131) » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:16 am

In post 891, DkKoba wrote:
In post 890, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 887, DkKoba wrote:
In post 885, SleeperSoul wrote:you still seem like stubborn oblivious town koba
Can you quote the posts that give you this vibe?

Koba, I'm not really interested in engaging with you in combat. I just think you're misguided town.
I'm interested where you got your read

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11935001

SleeperSoul · Post Post #896 (isolation #132) » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:49 am

I can't really.... If I went into specifics it wouldn't be genuine because I'd be inventing specific reasons for just a general soul read. Your entire playstyle comes off as oblivious, stubborn town.

SleeperSoul · Post Post #899 (isolation #133) » Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:58 am

right now and throughout the whole game

SleeperSoul · Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:15 am

In post 903, DkKoba wrote:like something specific like that you can easily be like "oh you said this here etc"

I am being specific. You are specificly being stubborn and oblivious RIGHT NOW.

SleeperSoul · Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:17 am

Koba I'm not sure if you're town or scum anymore or just really stubborn and oblivious.

pedit I'm unsure of koba so I would prefer them not to be in the coalition.

SleeperSoul · Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:21 am

Clover also seems kinda scummy to me so having him as town makes me more suspicous of koba, but I can see an oblivious stubborn town having clover as town anyways.

SleeperSoul · Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:22 am

I'm unsure of koba's alignment but I am sure that they are stubborn and oblivious.

Case in point for obliviousness: after grilling me for not substantiating my read on them, they go on to say this:

In post 904, DkKoba wrote:
In post 900, Deimos27 wrote:Koba remind me why you have Clover as town.
I honestly dont remember myself

SleeperSoul · Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:29 am

In post 915, Deimos27 wrote:
In post 911, SleeperSoul wrote:Clover also seems kinda scummy to me so having him as town makes me more suspicous of koba, but I can see an oblivious stubborn town having clover as town anyways.
Well if you had to exclude yourself, what would your coalition be?

I would have to think about this pretty hard, reread everything again.... That's why my coalition is sparse at the moment.

If I need to do that, I can do that tomorrow morning.

SleeperSoul · Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:39 am

^^^lol

Anyways, I guess my two top noncoalition town are wug and klick.

SleeperSoul · Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:43 am

In post 924, Deimos27 wrote:My problem right now is that I'm pretty sure there's one scum in Clover/Aldus but I don't think they can both be scum and I can't figure out who the second is.

I tend to agree with you on this but my strategy here is to just ignore scum and look for town.... I prefer the least amount of thinking as possible. Most of my thinking is just what is required to express myself verbally. The rest of the time, I'm in "la la land".

SleeperSoul · Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:51 am

In post 927, Deimos27 wrote:Can't just look for town if you end up with too many townreads as a result, Sleeper.

But I don't have too many, I only have two strong ones and two weak ones.

SleeperSoul · Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:52 am

All this talk about pooky has given me a little paranoia about him, and I feel like I can't really read him without him being present. So that read is almost back to null right now until pooky comes back.

SleeperSoul · Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:55 am

I will do another reread of everything tomorrow morning, I might have more on pooky then but I dunno.

SleeperSoul · Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:57 am

In post 932, Klick wrote:I find it odd that 'I have a townread on all but two players' equates to 'I must be wrong' rather than 'these two players are scum'

yeah those were my thoughts.

You don't think it's possible for scum to be both aldus and clover, deimos?

SleeperSoul · Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:06 am

Okay, your reasoning is strong. I just don't know how you have so many townreads

SleeperSoul · Fri Jun 26, 2020 11:13 am

@Deimos So if you townread everyone except one between two.... Doesn't that make YOU the last scum?

This to me doesn't strike me as the type of play that a player like Deimos would make as scum.... Am I off on this?

SleeperSoul · Post Post #959 (isolation #147) » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:20 pm

In post 956, DkKoba wrote:but now I need to figure out which of deimos/wug/sleeper to trust bc I see the merit of a clover/aldu solve but the beauty of a 4 player exception is that we can exclude 2 possible scumteams.

Can you say succinctly why you don't trust deimos yet?

SleeperSoul · Post Post #961 (isolation #148) » Fri Jun 26, 2020 2:30 pm

That is very succinct but it doesn't clarify it to me. Anything else?

SleeperSoul · Post Post #985 (isolation #149) » Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:20 am

In post 984, Klick wrote:I've gone off the tinfoil theory of Pooky/DK lol

Wait, does that mean you don't suspect pooky anymore? Or you only suspect pooky?

SleeperSoul · Post Post #986 (isolation #150) » Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:21 am

Time for a reread...

SleeperSoul · Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:19 am

This game is a LOOONG read and I took breaks to sort my thoughts along the way.

In post 501, DkKoba wrote:
In post 499, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 496, DkKoba wrote:Your assumption is that I am scum because i oppose the current leading coalition hard. Assuming automatically i am scum without any analysis. I already explain i dont feel comfortable with multiple slots on the Coalition. If you feel so confident about it then you should have a good argment for it instead of this circular logic.
that's not what I said
ok then explain it simply. Because that is what I interpreted from your main point about me being scum to you.

In post 503, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 501, DkKoba wrote:ok then explain it simply. Because that is what I interpreted from your main point about me being scum to you.
I did explain it, you should read my posts

There were a lot more posts from pooky that pinged me as scummy as I was rereading, but I think these are some of the most illustrative. I don't believe pooky actually explained it that well, I don't buy that town!pooky can't see koba's points on their approach to the game. I think pooky is too smart for that even though he's very good at playing dumb.

In post 494, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:you called my case full of holes like swiss cheese and you already exposed a gaping one. I'm still waiting for it.

Acknowledging here that his case has "one gaping hole" in it, but then ignoring it? That seems scummy. "You said 'swiss cheese', therefor you must give me multiple holes, one GAPING one is not enough"

In post 499, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 496, DkKoba wrote:Your assumption is that I am scum because i oppose the current leading coalition hard. Assuming automatically i am scum without any analysis. I already explain i dont feel comfortable with multiple slots on the Coalition. If you feel so confident about it then you should have a good argment for it instead of this circular logic.
that's not what I said

Okay if it's not what you said, then make corrections instead of just stating this. It sure seems like that's what you said. Because it sounds like that's what you said here.

In post 334, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
I'd put Koba at 50% scum

he's either trying desperately to fight his way onto the coalition because he knows we are about to win easily.

or

he's a misguided townie who wants to make a splash but fell flat on his face

Shortly after this ^^^ he posts the following:

In post 508, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:You don't want to have an honest discussion, you are scum trying to obfuscate by spamming a crapload of random things and making me re-state myself over and over so that anyone reading this thread loses focus and doesn't even know what we're talking about at the end of this if they even read to the end of this.

as this is a total waste of time I will no longer be engaging with your spot in the game. I consider you scum, I will not vote for you to be on my coalition. If you somehow seize control and get yourself coalition'ed and we get to the lynch phase my vote will automatically be on you.

Good day

Pooky seems too adamant that koba is scum without backing it up all that much (koba's behaviour can be explained by being stubborn town IMO, pooky should see this?), and he's unwilling to adequately defend his coalition. Seems scummy to me.

In post 990, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 975, Klick wrote:Aldus summaries my thoughts on the argument better than I could
-cut-

But instead of answering my case - he obfuscates by angrily spamming the thread with question after question on my behavior instead - this is a very typical whataboutism/1000 question defense.

-cut-

Now if you guys believe that behavior is protown- then by all means put kona in your coalition and leave me out - it's fine. Just a game and I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you all that something obviously scummy is scummy.

Why aren't you willing to consider that koba's anti-town play could be coming from a townie? Isn't that how people are saying their previous games went?

In post 993, DkKoba wrote:I'm honestly not even bothered to interact with pooky anymore because they ARE tunneling and I already sorted their slot so there's 0 point in it since i have nothing to gain but wasted words they can think I'm scum all they want because in case they haven't noticed the conversation has moved on and I've already said my piece.

I'd rather have Pooky in the coalition over anyone but you klick as your slot and pooky's slots are the only 2 i'm sure of (yours because of votato )

koba I don't understand how you can be sure that pooky is town because to me, based on what I posted above, he seems scummy.

HURT: all

HEAL: SleeperSoul
HEAL: Deimos
HEAL: Klick
HEAL: koba

as far as I can tell I'm just adding koba to my previous coalition but I cleared it first to make sure.

SleeperSoul · Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:05 am

In post 1009, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1006, SleeperSoul wrote:Why aren't you willing to consider that koba's anti-town play could be coming from a townie? Isn't that how people are saying their previous games went?
If Koba is a townie then the original coalition has someone in it that's scum and I haven't figured out who it is despite reading this game over and over again - if you can make a reasonable case that someone on the original coalition that Koba blasted is scum, then I'd be happy to take a look at that.

My case is that you are the scum in the original co

SleeperSoul · Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:56 am

Accepting that your case has a gaping hole in it and not defending that isn't going to cut it for me, pooky. Your here defense is that "my case isn't swiss cheese because swiss cheese has multiple holes in it but my case has one big hole in it"

In post 494, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:you called my case full of holes like swiss cheese and you already exposed a gaping one. I'm still waiting for it.

SleeperSoul · Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:12 am

In post 1015, Klick wrote:Sleeper, to me it reads as fairly obvious that he meant to say 'you called my case full of holes like Swiss cheese and
said that
you already exposed a gaping hole in it. I'm still waiting for it.'

This is a semantics thing, he's not actually saying there's a flaw in his logic.

Well, I'm going to have to take pooky literally on this for now. He 'literally' said that koba exposed a gaping hole.

SleeperSoul · Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:00 am

In post 1021, Deimos27 wrote:All I know rn is that scum is playing well and that annoys me.

What is the purpose of this statement?

SleeperSoul · Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:48 am

In post 1027, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 1014, SleeperSoul wrote:Accepting that your case has a gaping hole in it and not defending that isn't going to cut it for me, pooky. Your here defense is that "my case isn't swiss cheese because swiss cheese has multiple holes in it but my case has one big hole in it"

In post 494, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:you called my case full of holes like swiss cheese and you already exposed a gaping one. I'm still waiting for it.
as in I'm waiting for the gaping hole he says he found...

okay, I thought you meant you were waiting for more holes.... but I'm still not convinced I should co you as of now, because to me koba's points on you make sense.

SleeperSoul · Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:29 pm

sorry koba, I misunderstood... In that case, pooky should be in the coalition.

D'oh!

HEAL: pooky

go ahead and take me out now for being a moron lol

SleeperSoul · Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:30 pm

I mean, originally you were scumpinging pooky, though..... that's part of what was making me paranoid of him as I mentioned yesterday.

SleeperSoul · Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:55 am

In post 1053, Clover Ebi wrote:Why is Pooky town for you guys? I've read the iso and nothing has really struck me as super towny

pooky fighting koba reminded me of another tvt from the lovers game we played together.

In post 485, SleeperSoul wrote:

is this another tvt?

Once I fully understood that koba had turned around on pooky, I'm pretty sure both are town.

Plus, I think it's best to trust my 'funnybone's instinct'. There is a lot of truth in humor imo.

SleeperSoul · Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:17 pm

There's no way to know how many mafia members are in the coalition, though, so I can see why wug doesn't get it.

SleeperSoul · Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:34 pm

I think koba's playstyle makes putting them in the coalition risky, even though they are town. I've kind of lost the passion for this game, so I haven't been looking extra hard, but I think I would prefer a coalition without koba if possible.

HURT: koba

SleeperSoul · Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:55 pm

In post 1121, DkKoba wrote:
In post 1119, SleeperSoul wrote:I think koba's playstyle makes putting them in the coalition risky, even though
they are town
. I've kind of lost the passion for this game, so I haven't been looking extra hard, but I think I would prefer a coalition without koba if possible.

HURT: koba
but what do you read me as.

SleeperSoul · Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:03 pm

In post 1125, DkKoba wrote:so if I'm town why do you want to exclude me

Because it seems your playstyle is to obliviously spam the thread with questions that have already been answered.

case in point:

In post 1121, DkKoba wrote:
In post 1119, SleeperSoul wrote:I think koba's playstyle makes putting them in the coalition risky, even though they are town. I've kind of lost the passion for this game, so I haven't been looking extra hard, but I think I would prefer a coalition without koba if possible.

HURT: koba
but what do you read me as.

I have a fear that by including you in the coalition, it would increase your activity to a level that might interfere with everyone's ability to read the game.

SleeperSoul · Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:08 pm

Well, we can't assume that will be the case. I'm simply looking for an alternative right now, you can consider koba to be on the waiting list.

SleeperSoul · Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:13 pm

I'm not surprised koba 'hurt' me in retaliation, that's part of what I consider to be the problem with their playstyle, hence the search for an alternative.

SleeperSoul · Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:25 pm

Me too, pooky, me too....

https://youtu.be/GfK8Xyp6RzE?t=65

pooky is town

SleeperSoul · Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:28 pm

In post 1134, Klick wrote:That was me Sleeper, not Koba

Pooky, this game becomes a lot easier if you're town. You should be more town so that I don't have lingering paranoia blocking me from just agreeing with what Koba wants.

omg.... lol!

That's okay... But I mean... I wouldn't be surprised if koba had done it anyways so my point on that still stands.

SleeperSoul · Mon Jun 29, 2020 1:34 pm

In post 1125, DkKoba wrote:so if I'm town why do you want to exclude me

I guess I don't really

want

to exclude you, I just wish your playstyle was more palatable and I'm not sure if I can help make that happen.

HEAL: koba

SleeperSoul · Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:14 pm

In post 1139, DkKoba wrote:
In post 1132, SleeperSoul wrote:I'm not surprised koba 'hurt' me in retaliation, that's part of what I consider to be the problem with their playstyle, hence the search for an alternative.
I didnt hurt you in retaliation though.

You're right, sorry, my mistake. I did already address that, though.

In post 1137, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 1134, Klick wrote:That was me Sleeper, not Koba

Pooky, this game becomes a lot easier if you're town. You should be more town so that I don't have lingering paranoia blocking me from just agreeing with what Koba wants.

omg.... lol!

That's okay... But I mean... I wouldn't be surprised
if koba had done it
anyways so my point on that still stands.

SleeperSoul · Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:55 pm

In post 1150, Deimos27 wrote:
In post 262, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 240, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
In post 239, DonCorleone wrote:Tux reading the thread but not commenting on my callout is also a bad look lol
I don't comment on call outs. If you have questions for me I'll answer them. If there is a conversation to be had I'll have it. You just saying I'm scum and then saying you won't explain would be a waste of everyone's time to comment on.
tux, what's gotten into you? To me this doesn't seem like the townie tux from last game.

HURT: tux
Sleeper can you remind me of what you saw wrong with this post from Tux?

I think I had a misunderstanding of tux's overall tone, so this post appeared to be more aggressive than I was expecting. Since reading more of tux's games/posts, I recognize that tux is indeed 'madtown' most of the time, that he wasn't unusually 'angry' this game. It was just an issue with my emotional perception.

SleeperSoul · Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:02 pm

In post 1152, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 1150, Deimos27 wrote:
In post 262, SleeperSoul wrote:
In post 240, Tuxedo Mask wrote:
In post 239, DonCorleone wrote:Tux reading the thread but not commenting on my callout is also a bad look lol
I don't comment on call outs. If you have questions for me I'll answer them. If there is a conversation to be had I'll have it. You just saying I'm scum and then saying you won't explain would be a waste of everyone's time to comment on.
tux, what's gotten into you? To me this doesn't seem like the townie tux from last game.

HURT: tux
Sleeper can you remind me of what you saw wrong with this post from Tux?
I think I had a misunderstanding of tux's overall tone, so this post appeared to be more aggressive than I was expecting. Since reading more of tux's games/posts, I recognize that tux is indeed 'madtown' most of the time, that he wasn't unusually 'angry' this game. It was just an issue with my emotional perception.

When I realized that I had only perceived a change in tux's emotion at the moment I 'thought he got angry at me', I realized that tux's emotional content was actually consistent across both this game and the other game I've played with tux. And I also skimmed through some of tux's other games and it seemed the same. I had just developed a misunderstanding of tux's general emotional gestalt during first part of the first game I played with him.

SleeperSoul · Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:23 pm

Hey Happy Canada Day everyone! Boy am I ever exhausted. I'll catch up tomorrow.

SleeperSoul · Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:32 pm

Yeah I noticed that everyone seems to be snubbing deimos so that's definitely something I'll be looking at tomorrow.

SleeperSoul · Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:48 am

Koba's playstyle is so frustrating, it makes reading this game not very fun. I agree we should be looking within the coalition at this time. Koba has caused disruption constantly throughout the entire game. And the way they desperately forced themselves into the coalition seems kinda scummy.

VOTE: koba

SleeperSoul · Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:55 am

Scared? I don't think so... Bored? Probably.

SleeperSoul · Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:45 am

@deimos

Please put your vote on a real wagon, I don't think mine is going anywhere today.

SleeperSoul · Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:55 am

Yeah, it's fair to give the slot another chance.

UNVOTE: koba

SleeperSoul · Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:04 am

In post 1454, Deimos27 wrote:
In post 1248, SleeperSoul wrote:Yeah I noticed that everyone seems to be snubbing deimos so that's definitely something I'll be looking at tomorrow.
Something you "will" be looking at or something you "would" be looking at?

'll indicates 'will'. 'd indicates 'would'.

I haven't really been looking at this game extremely hard though.

In post 1381, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:ok but if we lynch koba and he flips scum - we still don't know where the 2nd scum is -

if we lynch wug and he flips scum - we have a clear path to winning the game?

This jumped out at me. Is this post scummy? Trying to advocate lynching outside the co, which doesn't make any sense to me since we know there is scum in there guaranteed. Best to eliminate that question first.

SleeperSoul · Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:05 pm

You guys were right about me opportunistically jumping on koba. It was mostly out of frustration. The replacement is having a positive effect on the game imo.

@Pooky I like your line of thinking regarding scum laying relatively low because they didn't need to fight to get 1 into the co. But I still think we should ex within the co first. Who would you ex if you had to pick someone within the coalition?

I think clover fits the bill for a scum that quietly accepted their place in the coalition. I'm hoping the wagon that formed on koba's slot was just out of frustration.

VOTE: clover

Not sure why you think DC is locktown but okay.

SleeperSoul · Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:26 am

I thought I made it pretty clear that I was frustrated with koba's playstyle throughout interacting with them. It was probably mostly out of frustration, but I honestly felt that lynching them could improve people's eagerness to read the game. Or at least I think my vote served as a warning that such behavior makes playing mafia more difficult for everyone.

Pooky your read on DC makes sense, although it doesn't come across so strongly to me.

SleeperSoul · Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:25 am

@Clover What do you like about Aldus?

SleeperSoul · Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:59 am

In post 1505, Clover Ebi wrote:
In post 1503, SleeperSoul wrote:@Clover What do you like about Aldus?

No no, I'm saying that's who I would vote at the moment.
Also I don't think I ever tried to slide onto the Co. I openly didn't want to be on it because of this exact reason that I was afraid of. Do you think both scum are on here or do you think I just made a gambit?

Oh okay, that makes sense.

I don't think it's too unlikely that you could make a gambit because of the level of 'general disruption' this game has suffered.

SleeperSoul · Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:50 pm

This game is really a lot more confusing than I was expecting based on the setup. I don't know why pooky is so hesitant to accept that I was voting koba out of frustration. I wanna say that pings me as scummy, but I also want to say I'm super confused about this game overall.

I'm pretty sure pooky, chemist and klick are town, though. I wanna say pooky is town because when I did get my town read on him it was pretty strong, and I trust my gut reaction that it was a tvt between him and koba, even though his recent pressure on me rubs me the wrong way.

SleeperSoul · Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:00 am

I think pooky's right about clover. Not sure what I can do to be townread this game. Considering most people seem to be suspecting Pooky and/or me, this game seems pretty doomed.

SleeperSoul · Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:46 am

I'm not really townreading you deimos, but I'm pretty baffled by the game... especially today.

I'm struggling to think of how I can contribute to the game, feels like whatever I say doesn't help.

SleeperSoul · Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:49 am

SleeperSoul · Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:16 am

Deimos, you've started making a whole lot more sense since my last comment on you.

This is my list of players from towniest to scummiest. I would only want to lynch within the bottom 4.

pooky
chemist
deimos
wug
klick
dc
aldus
clover