Micro 952 - The Coalition: ItGBSMoD [game over!]

[Wug]

hi

reading

[Wug]

read a few pages

pooky town
votato town
clover town

sleeper

not so town

maybe town?

don and deimos idk

[Wug]

why pooky town?

29 and 31 were towny

the idea is bad but it's towny to have it and then post it without thinking too hard about it

[Wug]

HURT: everyone
HEAL: wug

still reading

[Wug]

meant to finish reading but fell asleep instead

deimos looks towny but maybe just good at mafia

I don't wish to flood the game so i will be stepping away now to give time to react to what I posted by the players I want to get a better analysis on ~~ but I will be around to answer questions.

saying this and then actually flooding the game anyway is kind of town

honestly surprised that anyone in this game is townreading me at this point because i've barely done anything this game yet

datisi too cowardly to post a vote count because i snagged the page top

also this sounds weird but deimos's scumread on me feels like it makes more sense than tux's townread on me

town

[Wug]

it depends

the "this sounds weird" sold it

[Wug]

okay i tried to read through the 20somethings and i think it made me dumber

HEAL: deimos
i like his read of my read of ald's read

[Wug]

okay i tried to read through the 20somethings and i think it made me dumber

HEAL: deimos
i like his read of my read of ald's read

fake

[Wug]

Wug, are you an alt?

why does this matter

[Wug]

Wug, are you an alt?

why does this matter

It matters to me?

[Wug]

not a new player

[Wug]

HEAL: klick

koba can you link a scum game or three

[Wug]

got prodded, haven't caught up

from what I have read p much everyone looks pretty town

[Wug]

also if this coalition is wrong im voting wug amyways for 3 clears lmao

idgi

[Wug]

for 3 clears lmao

this is the part i don't get

[Wug]

not really but ok

[Wug]

thought 3 clears was about my 3 heals

[Wug]

HEAL: sleeper

deimos should pick one of pooky/koba and maybe sleeper should too

[Wug]

actually i still like ald

HEAL: ald

[Wug]

HEAL: DkKoba

Klick
Clover
DkKoba
Sleeper
DonCorleone.

We're stalling. I like this a lot. You all should sheep me or talk about why you're hesitant about someone in the coalition.

sell me clover

[Wug]

I have a fear that by including you in the coalition, it would increase your activity to a level that might interfere with everyone's ability to read the game.

?

[Wug]

if I was to remove clover I'd put in aldu over you

i would vote for this
but also if you put in don

[Wug]

HURT: everyone
HEAL: dkkoba
HEAL: pooky
HEAL: klick
HEAL: sleeper
HEAL: ald

[Wug]

anyways has anyone noticed how votato/tux and wug/klick avoid eachother like the plague for the most part?

this is bad
i asked klick a question
didn't really ask a lot of other questions
so avoided klick the least

[Wug]

VOTE: dkkoba

[Wug]

Wug/Aldus/Deimos/Don might be scummy. Hell, they were left out of the coalition because they couldn't get townread enough. But you're either shooting 1/4 there, or you're literally lynching in a pool of four town. And you can't claim you're that confident in all of Don/Deimos/Aldus being town, because you didn't have them in your coalition.

actually
looking at this
kind of think both scum are in the coalition

(i know it would be better if someone else said that)

[Wug]

oh

if not koba then who
i think clover

[Wug]

UNVOTE:

I want to wait for a replacement

why

[Wug]

You guys were right about me opportunistically jumping on koba. It was mostly out of frustration. The replacement is having a positive effect on the game imo.

ok sleeper is town
i think everyone else thought this and i kind of did too but now i think it more

klick and pooky i still think are town too

clover is a good lunch

VOTE: clover

[Wug]

"yes i am opportunistic" is not a thing scum says

[Wug]

ok klick i'm reading your case

This was the first post that really got me thinking Clover was town. I know this one will be a stretch for some people, but I doubt this bewilderment comes from scum. I also don't think scum cares enough to talk about this/gains anything from talking about this. Clover is just curious, and I think that comes from a towny place.

you are correct
(about it being a stretch)

Clover comes in and has no idea what's going on. He's not getting constant updates from a scum PT. Unless his partner was literally bugspray then I don't see these blank posts happening in quite the same way.

i don't think this is a town tell

What kind of nonsense scum tactic would it be for Clover to play the way he has up to this point and then make this sort of cocky comment with hardly anyone townreading him? I think it's much more plausible for Clover to be town and believing what he's saying here.

i don't think it's hard for scum to make that comment

Look at the game climate at this point. I'm mildly advocating for Clover being in the coalition, some others have expressed very light townreads there but nothing too serious. Clover!scum's Master Play is to... remove himself from contention. You'd have to assume his partner is extremely comfortable for this to even be a net neutral play (so basically just myself or Sleeper). For any other pairing, in most circumstances this is actively harmful to a scum wincon.
Meanwhile, while I think it's misguided as a town play, I can clearly see why Clover thought it would be useful to bow out of contention.

this makes sense but it would make more sense if he didn't end up in the coalition anyway

[Wug]

i'm not voting sleeper today

could vote pooky if i have to

otherwise staying on clover

[Wug]

I really think Pooky is caught scum and one or both of the Clover/SS wagons is an attempt to save him.

does this even make sense timeline-wise

[Wug]

who is online rn?

[Wug]

besides pooky i mean

[Wug]

i agree with you

[Wug]

um

[Wug]

who are you going to vote

[Wug]

i've been assuming he's town since I subbed in
pooky is making me worry about that a little
but I don't think klick is an option today anyway

[Wug]

look at the deadline

[Wug]

thought votato early play was pretty town
can't talk about replace-outs but still thought town after it happened
klick never made me think otherwise

[Wug]

or you could vote clover

[Wug]

it's almost 4am here, i don't think anything about anything
just hanging around to make sure someone gets deaded
i can reread klick overnight

[Wug]

if we all vote klick we still need 2 more
pooky is 1 but might not even be here

[Wug]

don if it's between pooky-clover which is it

[Wug]

if pooky comes on

and

is willing to vote klick (who he thinks is town) over clover (who he thinks is scum)

and

someone else also comes on

and

is also willing to vote klick
then it's possible

that doesn't make it a good idea to aim for that

[Wug]

Wug explain to me why clover is a good choice? It’s fine if it’s just barebones

fluffy
too go-with-the-flow
the repeated "leave me off the coalition" stuff seemed phony
(we should have left him off)
he's nowhere to be seen now
I think pooky pointed out some of these

I agree more with ald that if klick is scum then clover likely is too

[Wug]

idk who you are
but ty for the vote

ald pls hammer
I'm going to sleep now

[Wug]

that flavor in 1841 is lovely

in retrospect clover was right that he should be off coalition

That’s kind of a weird NK

yes

I think deimos is pretty definitely town

also yes

D&D opener reads town for not really having any game context. Scum!D&D at least reads the scum PT and gets stuff from that.

it's not hard to play dumb

(i think dd is town because i thought sleeper was town tho)

I mean, if Pooky is town then you are scum and I'll be trying to execute you tomorrow, yes.
But I don't think you're scum. You should go look at how hard I tried to stop Clover from getting executed and come to the conclusion that I'm town here.

true if pooky is scum
if pooky is town then it doesn't matter as much

In his 'oh well I'm dead' post, Pooky set up to argue that I'm scum even if Clover was town

where's this

ald case

good case

[Wug]

scum on coalition: pooky > dd > klick
scum off coalition: ald > don > deimos

might change my mind about dd-klick order

[Wug]

Prodding Wug.

hi

It doesn't make sense for Klick-scum to defend Clover that hard and attack me for a lynch on D1 - I flip town and he is in a way shittier position D2. He's much better off getting a Clover lynch followed by me getting lynched.

the latter is what in fact is happening

scum on coalition: pooky > dd > klick
scum off coalition: ald > don > deimos

might change my mind about dd-klick order

How much sense does a Pooky/Aldus team make? I'd argue very little

true
i wasn't thinking about teams
if pooky then could be dd scum

[Wug]

Yes it’s harder if pooky flips town because then we don’t basically lynch klick by default and we really have to think about it but if pooky flips scum which is still *very likely* then executing wug tomorrow is prob just GG

if pooky is town then we probably lose since everyone wants to exe me at some point
so i maybe want to be more sure about it

[Wug]

prodging through the day
my reads are the same as they were earlier

[Wug]

oh there are more pages than i thought
I should read them

[Wug]

okay i read
still want to execute pooky

[Wug]

VOTE: pooky

[Wug]

noticed he's not the wagon any more
he should be

[Wug]

Like Wug FYPOV we almost certainly lose by mislynching today cause you know you yourself have very high mislynch equity in 3p LyLo (that's even assuming we get out of the 5p tomorrow).

that's why i don't want to mislynch
if i did i'd vote klick

[Wug]

i decided to try reading something

execution

Clover Ebi (5):

SleeperSoul, Wug, PookyTheMagicalBear, DonCorleone, Deimos27

PookyTheMagicalBear (3):

Alduskkel, Clover Ebi, Klick

SleeperSoul (1):

Chemist1422

not voting (0):

sleeper was town
i'm town (really)
p sure deimos is town

if pooky is town and klick is scum then don would have to be scum on the wagon
or else it's all town

execution

PookyTheMagicalBear (4):

Alduskkel, Clover Ebi, Klick, DonCorleone

Clover Ebi (3):

SleeperSoul, Wug, PookyTheMagicalBear

SleeperSoul (2):

Chemist1422, Deimos27

not voting (0):

these were the wagons when pooky was leading
only don switched between them (but really wanted klick)

[Wug]

i guess clover wagon could be all town if both wagons were on town
but do you really believe that?

[Wug]

are you here deimos

[Wug]

are you here deimos

Yes I am

good
if no answer i would have hammered

[Wug]

oh no klick was town what a twist that no one saw coming

[Wug]

think it's just pooky
not sure about the other

[Wug]

The solve is almost definitely D&D/Pooky if [Klick] is wrong, but you lot just gotta work off the foundations we've set today to check the plausible associations of each.

deimos tryharded a lot and this was his result
might just want to sheep it

[Wug]

actually he said pooky doesn't make sense with anyone but d&d
which if true would mean definitely d&d is scum

[Wug]

And I don't want to see just "oh oops we were wrong but now we know because of the setup that the other is scum." If you have confirmation that another player is scum you should be able to reread their posts and figure out the scum angle.

why
just because someone is mechanically scum doesn't make their posts different from what they were

[Wug]

if team is pooky/d&d then them having to argue right now is really funny and they should continue

[Wug]

does n1 on-coalition kill make sense if both maf are in the coalition?

[Wug]

does n1 on-coalition kill make sense if both maf are in the coalition?

It's a pretty bold play, but if they expected Pooky to get eliminated Day 2 then it sort of makes sense to sell the idea of 1 off, 1 on.

this makes sense
i expected that too

do you think it's what happened?

i do
don is pretty town
you towntold d1

[Wug]

should we get d&d today and think more tomorrow
or should we just get pooky and find out now if the pooky/d&d solve is right

kind of want to do the second
i'd vote pooky over ald tomorrow anyway so why wait

[Wug]

@wug, how paranoid should I be about a DnD/aldus team here?

a little i guess
i'm paranoid of it too
pooky hasn't been wildly scummy imo
neither has ald

but after you're done paranoia-ing you should still not vote ald

[Wug]

but after you're done paranoia-ing you should still not vote ald

What, you’re saying I should vote in the confirmed scum face-off? Never

I meant tomorrow

[Wug]

Whoever scum is, I think you’ve played a very strong game

well it's definitely not me then

[Wug]

mahoosive

this is a good word

[Wug]

just relax
it's a very comfy pocket

[Wug]

VOTE: d&d

no point waiting do to what i’m going to do anyway

[Wug]

oops