Mini 2150 - Anime SeiyuU-Pick [SHOW'S OVER!]

[beeboy]

I feel like joining this game was a mistake.
Can someone catch me up and tell me why everyone is leaving?

[beeboy]

I'd like 1 representative from each of the leading wagons to inform me why they are right and why the other wagon is shit.
Thank you.

[beeboy]

I played a game with battlemage fairly recently actually he played incredibly aggro in what was almost a selfish manner to some degree?
I am trying to catch up on the game which I'll probably give up doing by page 10 and it seems he really wanted to control the power of whatever the heal mechanic was, which feels in character for him.

I haven't reached the part where he started stretch on his reads and maybe I could start to see eye to eye with you then, but I am not so sure I'd vote him outside the fact I just like the people on the wagon.

Catboi I have literally 0 intel on, but I usually like to assume wagons are bad when I enter games :^).

[beeboy]

@Mikul wtf are you doing by yourself on Panzer.
Talk to me about it.

[beeboy]

Never mind he replaced out.

[beeboy]

VOTE: Battle Mage

See that's how you persuade me.

[beeboy]

I definitely was paying attention that when I placed that vote

[beeboy]

Can we lynch Mastina?

I don't particularly find anything she is doing town.

[beeboy]

Mastina is talking about the state of the game being rough in terms of content.
But I find mastina's posting to indicate she is very much ok with that.
I also find her posts has a certain amount of repitition in it, this isn't the first time a read has been justified with "someone has to be scum"

VOTE: Mastina

Someone needs to try something out and I don't feel like waiting for you guys.
So here we go.

[beeboy]

I don't particularly find anything she is doing town.

Then iso me and look for yourself and if you still say that after the iso either you're delusional or you're lying.

Go on explain to me how that makes me delusional.
You know I've seen you claim mason literally every time you roll neighbor. To the point in which it's just standard play for you and not alignment indicative. I am in a hood for a flavor reason that I am sure applies to other people. So that's just bullshit for me.

Or is it your totally stagnant reads that haven't changed all game?

[beeboy]

I doubt battle mage saying lynch him is a scum claim. I think there's it's closer to the opposite(I've come pretty close to replacing out of this one a few times). I'm not willing to lynch him but I'd encourage him to think about his commitment to the game and such.

/(@ﾟﾍﾟ@) Even if the game's been frustrating, I find it hard to see such pre-emptive defeatism coming from town. A fair number of people have suspected me but I'm not asking to be killed day 1.

^This.

I don't like BM not having a counterwagon evidently. What is the case on him?

This game has been incredibly, incredibly light on content, incredibly, incredibly slow, and yet incredibly high on number of replacements. This slowness, frequency of replacements, and lack of lots of content, all contribute to a lack of a proper counterwagon.

I'd strongly recommend just reading the entire game because it is literally just that short and doable in probably less than an hour (maybe less than two if you're commenting along the way). I know, general policy of "I replaced in, therefore, not going to read the game before", but in this case, reading the game before would just give you the necessary context to understand why the wagon has developed in the way it has.

As for a case on Battle Mage, it basically comes to his content coming across as fake and somewhat manipulative, combined with POE. (

Someone

needs to be scum in this game, and the majority of the game is just town.)

That's not a strong case, sure--but this game is basically, effectively, only like...maybe five pages, five real-life days, out of the rvs in terms of content. You'd expect 30 pages' worth of content to be in the stage past the stage past the stage of RVS. To be in the late day period. It's not. This is still this game's early-day period. Earliest it can be without being rvs, early.

And if you do read the game, then I think you should agree with the above assessment--we never really left the earlygame phase that comes immediately post-rvs. We're still there, stagnated. The game hasn't progressed yet.

I don't think this is a real post from someone who is totally ok with the gamestate.
This post trying to connect to Titus doesn't feel like a post from someone with your thoughts on the game.

If you think the game needs to be read and have fresh takes on it.
You would be more cautious of the fact your scum pool literally hasn't changed all game.

[beeboy]

Mastina you know full well the Mason claim and content volume aren't viable tools to read you.
It's the content of the post and whether or not it lines up with itself.

And I think I am justifying my read fine so don't pretend this isn't a reasonable take.

Because I really just don't get post #726 relaive to the rest of your ISO.
You can be stagnant and not readjust as long as you are right, but it doesn't make sense to make that post towards Titus if you feel that way

[beeboy]

Mastina you know full well the Mason claim and content volume aren't viable tools to read you.
It's the content of the post and whether or not it lines up with itself.

And I think I am justifying my read fine so don't pretend this isn't a reasonable take.

Because I really just don't get post #726 relaive to the rest of your ISO.
You can be stagnant and not readjust as long as you are right, but it doesn't make sense to make that post towards Titus if you feel that way

[beeboy]

And if you do read the game, then I think you should agree with the above assessment--we never really left the earlygame phase that comes immediately post-rvs. We're still there, stagnated. The game hasn't progressed yet.

This line in particular shouldn't come from a completely stagnant player in particular if you think my comments are unclear.
I just don't get it why you think this game is devoid / lack luster. While also showing no signs of paranoia about your reads or a desire to try and readjust.

I feel like you wouldn't think the game hasn't progressed if you are perfectly fine with your POE. Being perfectly comfortable and thinking a game is devoid of content aren't things I believe can come hand in hand.

[beeboy]

I am busy tonight sorry everyone.

[beeboy]

Mastina I don't want to address a wall that has 2 parts.

>I should care about the mason claim as you post 25 games in which you do it, including scum games.
>Your reads actually aren't stagnant, as you literally have had the same 3 scum reads all game.

I don't want to seem dismissive but your post in itself also is so I don't particularly feel bad.

[beeboy]

So to address the good part of the post.

You tunnel in on the fact that reads being stagnant isn't a scum tell for you.

But that wasn't my point, my point was that your post towards Titus doesn't make sense coming from someone with stagnant reads. Like you are doing X while thinking Y which makes you scum.
And your response is, "Doing X isn't a scum tell". Sure you wouldn't be wrong but I am not arguing that.

[beeboy]

But that wasn't my point, my point was that your post towards Titus doesn't make sense coming from someone with stagnant reads.

And I countered that point by showing why it's not so.

I don't believe a reasonable town player can sit in a game for 2 weeks being unhappy with the game state.
And go "A game can be solved in the first page"
Then the game isn't shit.

[beeboy]

Things I concede if you thought I argued it.

-> I could give a shit about the mason fake claim if I felt like diving 25 games. And someone else in my spot probably would.
-> Stagnant reads can come from town

Things I won't concede.

-> People who are totally happy with their read lists the literal entire game don't sit around complaining a game is devoid of content.


Your counter to the last one is you basically said I was wrong.
So thanks but if I believed that I wouldn't be voting you.

[beeboy]

I don't have the time to dive into a 1v1. I think your claim I am not reading your ISO or you addressed everything is objectively wrong. Unless "u wrong hehe I can do that" counts as disproving my read.
I'll come back to this if the read magically picks up steam today.

I doubt you are bussing battle mage and that's likely todays lynch anyway.
If he is scum then, go you.
If he is town then, getting proper support will be easy.

[beeboy]

I feel like you wouldn't think the game hasn't progressed if you are perfectly fine with your POE.

Well tough because I do and your thought is wrong--like I said, either delusion or lying. Because yes I am perfectly fine with my POE in spite of not thinking the game has progressed.

Your counter to the last one is you basically said I was wrong.
So thanks but if I believed that I wouldn't be voting you.

continued misrep of my stances and attempted strawmanning of them is suspect

[beeboy]

Except I never complained about the game being devoid in content.

I stated it was.

I did not complain about it.

I made a statement that I feel is true.

I never once said that the statement was about a thing I was unhappy about.

I am perfectly content with a stagnant game if the stagnation of the game is something I feel does not benefit the scum--and I felt it did not benefit the scum.

Now granted.

This feels like the last few posts where you are putting too much thought into the word complaint while ignoring the larger point.
This isn't helping either of us.


I am trying to decide if you re-evaling BM is in response to me saying his town flip literally bury's you and you realizing that. Or if it's the re-eval on your bottom 3 I've been waiting the literal entire game for because you realized you should be more careful. First one is scum, 2nd one is town yet the reactions look near the same so I need time to figure that out.

Which says a lot about this exchange that the most alignment indicative thing is completely unrelated to our exchange lol. Although I guess that could say something about the value of engaging me as a player.

[beeboy]

Also sorry I reread my first posts to see why you reacted to it the way you did. Because I am trying to figure out if you are addressing everything to seem town or because my main point is abstract enough it's hard to argue against.

I posted in direct response to your post to Titus but it wasn't clear that my entire read hinged on that post. I kind of just read that post and went "well mastina is scum can we kill her". And explained as our 1v1 went on.

Which I guess would rationalize why you spent so much time addressing literally everything since my main point wasn't clear at all.
But I also want you to know my main point hasn't actually evolved or changed throughout the course of this 1v1.

I am fine giving you space over the course of today, I don't know if I'd just lynch PJ he hasn't done anything I've hated.
But I am not sure who I particularly hate.

[beeboy]

I think it's fair you think I am misreping you or raising goal posts. (You didn't use the 2nd one as wording but I am trying to rationalize your posts)

But I also think it's kinda crazy to say I am delusional for thinking you are scum especially relative to what you are posting? Also I assume you know I am a player that town reads people for 1 off moments that seem town to me rather then body of works reads. And if you are obvious town, it's due to a body of works read. Sorry I only took the lazy part out of the school of Ellibereth not the high effort one

[beeboy]

The post towards you felt like someone talking to someone who they believed was a town slot.
And also wanted a fresh pair of eyes and a perspective on the game.

But Mastina had the same bottom 3 the entire game so I wasn't getting the vibe she was putting in the effort to re-eval.

I'll be honest I have no read much of the game, but my reaction to Deimos is "why is this guy a global town read" but I wasn't in the mood to contest it.


I am busy tonight like I said previously but I can ISO him tomorrow (Irl not in game)

[beeboy]

Super townie post ^^^

[beeboy]

VOTE: deismos

Brrrrr

[beeboy]

Mastina i don't believe you.
At all.

You can't link 25 mason fake claim games and think even as town I should care about this lol.

[beeboy]

Like idk your just like a player like Trasncend and the others who like to fake claim to gain leverage.
I just can't read your posts about mech and take it at face value regardless of what you claim your track record to me.

I play this game to use my own reads not roll dice. Otherwise I'd use a pool of Elli tells to lynch people at random with no discussion and end up winning 60% of my games.

[beeboy]

If you can suggest a lynch that isn't Panzer or Myself I'll talk to you about it.
But I am not just going to take this claim at face value on roll around on my own trying to figure out what to do.

[beeboy]

Starbuck reads to me like the wolfing Starbuck from day 1, Lunacy game that ended literally 10 minutes ago.
I couldn't talk about that read until now.

But I guess that would be my compromise option if you want me to start with them.

[beeboy]

Starbuck reads to me like the wolfing Starbuck from day 1, Lunacy game that ended literally 10 minutes ago.
I couldn't talk about that read until now.

But I guess that would be my compromise option if you want me to start with them.

[beeboy]

Starbuck reads to me like the wolfing Starbuck from day 1, Lunacy game that ended literally 10 minutes ago.
I couldn't talk about that read until now.

But I guess that would be my compromise option if you want me to start with them.

[beeboy]

Is this the typical way that it goes, beeboy?

It's not scum just because it's fake. It's just something mastina does to leverage other players in games as both alignments.
Kinda like players that like to fake claim guilties when they have very strong reads.

It's basically NAI.

[beeboy]

It's not scum just because it's fake. It's just something mastina does to leverage other players in games as both alignments.

False, because as has been established: I don't fakeclaim as scum. I

could

, which is what keeps it from being a trust tell, but I don't, and haven't.

I can literally link to every single scumgame of mine onsite as proof of this statement.

But people will keep lying and saying I do it as both alignments because I have too many games and all of them are lengthy so they will keep going "I'm not going to read all of that to confirm, it's self-meta anyway and is thus worthless!!!"

When they are claiming something that is factually incorrect, and provably and demonstrably so.

Didn't you link 4 earlier this game?

[beeboy]

I don't really want to partake in this debate, sorry. If Deismos gets more pressure then talk to the other people on the wagon on how you faking results previously is good for town.

I just don't have the mental energy to parse walls about a topic like this. Person who thinks fake results are toxic thinks someone who like to use fake results cannot be trusted. I love fake claims, I do them still. Fake results on the other hand just fuck up the game because a lot of players can look at information like X is conf town and leverage their entire game around it. It doesn't sit right with me to do make a play I think is slightly above EV knowing if I am wrong it just kills the game for someone.

You aren't persuading me on this during the course of a game when I also have to discern your alignment while reading your posts. Can you just accept my stance or nah?

[beeboy]

Idk I view a major difference between bluffing and fake mason claims and so on.
Their is a reason I view my older play as incredibly toxic and I always resigned my fake claims within the first day phase.

[beeboy]

@Starbuck I forgot you could have assumed that game was multiball day 1. Idk I need to think about it a bit more and read your ISO in your private PT to see what your perspective on the game was.
Maybe I am constantly fishing for the aggro play style you showed in the first game we ever played together but I might not ever get that again.

I am just stumped on reads tbh and I am not enjoying this game nearly enough to want to dive into ISOs and try to improve them.
I kinda just want to lynch Mastina but I don't think I am getting that today but let's see.

VOTE: Mastina

[beeboy]

What do you think of the Deimos claim that he is loved so he takes another vote to be lynched but it also works in lylo?

[beeboy]

What do you think of the Deimos claim that he is loved so he takes another vote to be lynched but it also works in lylo?

Deimos or mastina?

I'll double check what I read the post was hard to follow.

[beeboy]

VOTE: Deimos27

[beeboy]

UNVOTE:

[beeboy]

Maybe it's just Titus.

[beeboy]

We are all waiting for you!

[beeboy]

Tbh I TR the chemist entry.
Chemist is Mastina actually conf town or is she fake claiming like she does every single game?

[beeboy]

Can you say that louder so the scum team can hear?

[beeboy]

Anyway, I am sorry Mastina for fighting with you this game.

VOTE: Donkey Kong

Dude feels very fluffy and I won't lynch the 3p Panzer or Catboi.
I guess I'd lynch TItus her movement this game feels off.

I am open for other options.

[beeboy]

Tipsy is such a fun person to keep around.
Don't make me vote them =(

Tipsy I won't do you dirty.

[beeboy]

isn't panzer just an obvious 3p?
Like I guess if we really want we can kill him.

But I also don't see why I should care.

[beeboy]

how do u figure he's actually 3p and not mafia pretending to be 3p?

His 'leave' condition is stupid easy so I don't see how he end games.
If he wanted to fake claim 3p it would be something with more survivability

[beeboy]

VOTE: shiro

1 hour left.

[beeboy]

prod recieved

[beeboy]

I am disengaged and scum read Titus.
What to do.

Sorry Mafia just isn't vibing with me right now.

[beeboy]

Will catch up after work.

[beeboy]

VOTE: Tipsy

Ehh I think it's just Tipsy.

[beeboy]

I don't think the replace is out is AI as I know Nahdia.
I just don't see why she ever town reads my slot this game.

[beeboy]

yeah, tipsy and catboi are scum together, we've known that since before the shiro lynch dude, it doesn't really matter cause the most of the town players are shittos or barely not afk.

Hey don't discriminate, I am both.

[beeboy]

Happy scum day Shiro o7

[beeboy]

Ok so I think from my POE.

Mastina and Chemist are probably town.
I think Panzer is town by play? Probably still a 3p tbh but whatever.


I think Tipsy was playing to her scum meta, I am not saying I am any better but it's kinda what happened.
And I am not going to pretend that's not the case.

I think Titus is playing _like_ scum but the vig claim mostly self resolves anyway.
Do we know why she is apparently a vig but we only saw 1 kill day 1?

[beeboy]

Mastina's read on me stems from the fact I thought she was playing like shit and nothing to do with my play.
But you know whatever, I'll move on.

My main thing is this game has sort of reached a point where I don't think scum are particularly motivated to do anything. Tipsy had to self vote so was that wagon really driven by multiple scum then a self vote? Wtf were we doing as town at that point? lmao.

So while some team comp of like {MariaR, Tipsy, DK, Catboi} makes sense to me. I just am not feeling it cause wolves aren't actually motivated to push anyone.
So I can say for sure we have more then 1 wolf on Shiro even if he had almost no competition.

[beeboy]

I am kind of waiting on Chemist for guideness to help me further some kind of baseline.

Panzer can be a 3p that is just going to push whatever he deems a threat. He could honestly still be mafia.
Mastina is pushing me for the basis of I didn't like her play, so that doubles as my opinion on the rest of her reads.


Catboi to some degree was a counter wagon to Shiro which is why I am hard pressed to trust him I guess.

[beeboy]

And Aristophanes is doing nothing to change my mind on Tipsy.
So I don't really have a good reason to vote off.

Does Tipsy have a town case beyond Mastina doesn't like me and I want to vote for him?

[beeboy]

I think Tipsy is more inclined to lurk out as scum relative to town.
Scum is the alignment they enjoy less, they got off a really rough rand in Lunacy and Why Gun?? and are feeling burned out from mafia. l think not being able to force themselves through the game is scum indicative.

I think their town read on me was because I don't expect them to misread me not because it was a genuine read.
Since I am not actually playing to my town meta right now. I am playing to neither of my metas really but I think that would breed more confusion then a town read.

Idk the unexplained town read on me was really off putting to me.

[beeboy]

I didn't care initially because I was like "ahh I'll take it".
Apathy breeds complacency I guess?

[beeboy]

Do you have a reason to town read the slot because I couldn't even tell you who came before Tipsy in all honesty.

[beeboy]

Chemist is cleared if we town read Mastina.
So there we go.

[beeboy]

Day 1 was literal pain we had around 15 replacements, this game currently has 2 original players alive and now no one wants to play the game.
We also mislynched.

But outside that honestly I feel relatively ok about this game because we have enough towns who gave off strong town energy

[beeboy]

Creature, one problem with your plan. I have been leashed to shoot beeboy or catboi who are town in your setup.

Second, your calculations need to be redone tmo anyway for reasons I shall not go into but will be obvious tmo.

I agree you should just hero shot instead tbh.
Sounds look a good plan.

[beeboy]

I am opposed to Titus' current strat.

[beeboy]

VOTE: Titus

I am not losing this game to this garbage plan.
tyvm

[beeboy]

VOTE: Titus

I think this is just the clear choice even if I am incredibly bias.
We have the claimed vig, a vig that is now flipped town.
And 2 shots town wouldn't reasonably ever have been shot by Chemist.


Titus just shot one of Chemist or Mastina and that's kind of just that.

[beeboy]

Has Titus full claimed yet?

[beeboy]

idc anymore if everyone is complacent with losing.

read Shiro's role pm for my actor abilities.
I have a 3-shot roleblock that can only block the factional kill.

I went.
Ari/Tipsy] -> Donkey Kong -> Titus

[beeboy]

I targeted Ari before swapping to Donkey Kong N1.
Just as a general note of my thought process.

I didn't fully type out the sentence like a monkey cause I don't want boss man to eat me for a mafia game.

[beeboy]

VOTE: Beeboy

[beeboy]

My only setup critique is in regards to exactly Panzer's role.
I don't think it needed to be gated, which swung balance, a lot.

Or my role needed to not be a thing if you liked keeping the cop that way.

One or the other and I'd say the setup is balanced, role madness has a thing where each scum death creates holes the town PRs can expolit like what JKS said.
Having no scum night actions go off night after night obviously made it look a lot worse then what it actually was.

Let's say I die day 1, Panzers cop went off on town and the vig went off on POE town.
That would result in a town win most of the time, and that's 2 night actions arguably being used "poorly"