Newbie 2016: Snapdragons (Game Over)

[Looker]

UNVOTE:
reading

[Looker]

Spoiler:

Vote Count 1.08

LuckyLuciano (3):

Looker, JamSV, Raya36

Looker (2):

ClarkBar, 72offsuit

Battle Mage (1):

LuckyLuciano

Raya36 (1):

TheThirteenthJT, 72offsuit

TheThirteenthJT (1):

LicketyQuickety

Not Voting (0):

Battle Mage

Deadline is in

(expired on 2020-07-11 13:52:07)

, at which point we will default to no elimination.

With nine players alive, it takes

five

to reach majority.

Mod Note:

Nothing!

Still reading, but why is 72offsuit voting twice?

[Looker]

Just wait Quick, you are going to love what I post. A game with both you and Looker in it is bound to be a joke.

It's because I quickhammered humaneatingmonkey. Genuine aggression or are you fucking with me?

Lucky

72o

Thirteen

Looker

Quick

JamSV

Clark

BM

Raya

I'm still sold on the BM slot being scum. Sorry BM, you've been dealt a bad hand. People can deny newbie tells as legitimate, but they still work. The only reason he's not a solid

red

is because of the possibilities of angles Raya has taken. I feel that Raya has to act the way she has if Blopp is scum, because she can't win the game alone once Blopp is eliminated. I didn't immediately switch from Blopp to Raya when posting my analysis on her slot because I was giving her the benefit of the doubt, but her continued pushing in bad faith, her constant attempts to buddy half the player list, and some of 72o's points on her slot have convinced me she's 100% scum. If Blopp (BM) is scum, Raya is

always

scum. The only case where Raya is scum and blopp (BM) is not is one where Raya took an incredibly aggressive position of hard defending town!Blopp while chainsaw pushing me in hopes of chain eliminating which ever one of us doesn't get eliminated D1. In that case, Clark is positioned with the highest partner equity for Raya. I decide this because of their early interactions with Raya and their latest ISO of Raya where Raya magically becomes town at the end of it. I think it's more likely that Clark is just new and still learning than that they are scumbuddies with Raya. I think newbie scum might be more likely to join their scumbuddy in pushing me. Maybe Clark should be higher up on the list of townies, I think he's only this low because in the small case where Raya is playing super aggressively and wasn't forced to by a newbie partner getting caught and bailing, she'd need a scumbuddy that's not Blopp (BM). Anyway, it's pretty much always Blopp (BM) / Raya.

The way you ordered your list is weird to me; why put Raya at the bottom if your chief suspect is Battle Mage? And you're voting Battle Mage but say Raya has the most scum equity.

Looker replaces Homura.

Hey Looker! Please tell me if I'm crazy about thinking Lucky is scum here and your thoughts on getting a proper claim since he claimed a TPR

Hey, Raya. Fuck LuckyLuciano. I'm pretty sure he's just faking his outrage because he has no other tools in his skillset as scum. Him faking a PR was weak.

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• Currently, flip preferences are: 36% LuckyLuciano or Battle Mage | 26% 72offsuit, JamSV, or ThirteenthJT | 16% LicketyQuickety | 12% ClarkBar | 10% Raya.

VOTE: LuckyLuciano

[Looker]

@Looker: Would I be correct in guessing that your flip percentage preference does not necessarily correlate to town v scum reads?

For the most part they do, but I try to focus more on votecount than tone because I feel it's easy for people to fake and bullshit. Typically who people vote off is significant enough to them to be genuine.

Fun fact: I skimmed this slot and was BLOWN AWAY to get a town PM.

Does this mean you don't need much time to catch up?

Spoiler:

This list is total crap and almost completely upside down.

Lucky
72o
Thirteen
Looker
Quick
JamSV
Clark
BM
Raya

About half the day I’m scumreading 72, although he started to pick up towards the end here. I don’t hate his thoughts on reya tbf.
Raya is townlean tho
Clark and jam are probtown
Bm and quick are probtown
Looker and thirteen are leanscum

72 has no votes? That’s rediculois. VOTE: 72

Everyone else can ask for their own reasons, but is mine OMGUS?

[Looker]

You're fuckin twelve years old?

[Looker]

Looker replaced Homura: Lurky as fuck. How can I read this?

I'm not lurky, you just have nothing better to do with your time. You made 72 posts in the course of a day. I have things to do, a job, and an occupation where I don't have access to my phone.

Spoiler:

Ok sorry about contributing to 10 pages today. I just finished my secodnnd read through and here’s my new spicy take:

Reya is ropebait and scum are setting up to mishang her.

El Town:
JamSV replaced individual
ClarkBar
LicketyQuickety (SE) replaced EchoVision
Raya36 (SE)
Porkens (SE) replaced LuckyLuciano

Scum are in:
Looker replaced Homura
72offsuit
Battle Mage replaced Blopp
TheThirteenthJT

(Now there is an alternate universe where Echo was scum with Blooper but that’s pretty tinfoil)

Anyway, could be shit, but there you have it.

VOTE: TheThirteenthJT

Flip preferences: 29% Porkens | 20% JamSV | 16% Raya | 14% ThirteenthJT or LicketyQuick | 12% Battle Mage | 9% 72offsuit | 0% ClarkBar

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I've been working longer hours so I'm more irritated by the time I get home. Sorry. LuckyLuciano is not a bad person. His fakeclaim and AtE are still scummy, though.

[Looker]

My percentages are based off who I think are most likely to flip scum based on who they've tried to flip and who's tried to flip them. Clark is at 0 because he's basic and there's no interaction to influence me to flip him. Especially at the time of that post. I

am

a replacement, though, so, if I've missed something, let me know.

[Looker]

Spoiler:

Looker replaced Homura: Lurky as fuck. How can I read this?

I'm not lurky, you just have nothing better to do with your time. You made 72 posts in the course of a day. I have things to do, a job, and an occupation where I don't have access to my phone.

Flip preferences: 29% Porkens | 20% JamSV | 16% Raya | 14% ThirteenthJT or LicketyQuick | 12% Battle Mage | 9% 72offsuit | 0% ClarkBar

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I've been working longer hours so I'm more irritated by the time I get home. Sorry. LuckyLuciano is not a bad person. His fakeclaim and AtE are still scummy, though.

Okay so important question, I'm going to assume, that it is in order of scum likeliness, such that the higher percentage we have, the scummier we are. In that regards, why is Clark 0%, a perfect town read, I find it interesting given none of us have him as our strongest town read. Can we interpret it as mason buddies / scum buddies, as realistically, even if I was convinced Battle Mage was the towniest town that town has ever seen, there's still a chance something could change and I'd want to remove him, the 0% seems suspicious if we consider % by scum likeliness.

If we consider % instead by removing based off of scum likeliness + you liking their play style, I think the 0% on Clark and the 9% on A9offsuit makes less sense. I'd like an explanation on 72offsuit's if that's the case.

As such, instead of leaving this up to interpretation what %s represent and why you have the numbers, could you care to order us by scum likeliness?

I don't understand which words you were trying to put in my mouth. Either way, you didn't wait for my explanation before you hammered.

I decided to do a bit of work for Looker, because I was curious. Based off of mod's vote count posts because I'm too lazy to go through 30 pages. Thank you Nahdia.
Table of who voted for whom voted for whom:
https://imgur.com/Cv3ZhUu idk how to include images into a post properly.

A bunch of logic stuff, read if you want, but it's in a spoiler if you don't want to.

Spoiler:

Now as we know, Looker gave Clark a 0% chance to be scum based off of who voted him, and who he voted for. He voted for Looker himself, and Porkens. Obviously he will treat himself as town, that means voting for Porkens does not make you scum at all, meaning Looker scum reads Porkens.

By those standards, myself, LicketyQuickety, and Raya36 should have lower %s by his standards. That isn't the case though. Meaning, those who voted for us, make us scum. In my case, based off of Mod vote counts, nobody has voted for me, yet I'm the 2nd highest to be scum for it, weird. This is strike 1 for his post being nonsensical.

Raya was voted for by TTJT and 72os, and voted Porkens and LicketyQuickety, from this we can assume Looker town reads TTJT, 72os, and LicketyQuickety. However based off of the percentages for me, Raya, lickety, and TTJT, this makes no sense again. This is strike 2 for his post being nonsensical.

LicketyQuickety voted for Battle Mage, Porkens, 72, and TTJT, well, we just worked out TTJT and 72 were town, and a vote on porkens gave ClarkBar a 0%, so this implies Battle Mage is scum. This is strike 3 for his post being nonsensical.

Basically, what the spoiler says is, its nonsense, I could explain more but I got bored. I felt like proving his post about how he got his %s was just a lie. I really would like to see his read list on everybody, doesn't necessarily need an explanation, I'd also like an explanation between the 0% on Clark because his explanation was nonsense, and on the 9% for 72offsuit. Good news though Porkens, depending on how he responds, can change my mind into expecting a ClarkBar/Looker duo.

Your assumptions are confusing me. I also think it's weird that you went from "I don't understand what Looker means" to "Looker is being purposefully 'nonsensical'" without any input from me.

Spoiler:

VOTE: 72offsuit

I disagree with those feeling 72 is town after that turn. I explained the reasons for the opposite Day 1.

Clark and Raya are still some of my favorites and Battle Mage is now also suspect to me.

Jamesv is weird...

No thoughts on Looker yet. Most of my thinking is still based off Homuras play which I will revisit.

Current areadlist scum to less scum.
72 confident here.
Raya
Clark
battle mage
Looker
Jamsv

I see a few potential scum pairings too.
72 and Clark or BM and Clark. I have no pairing for Raya currently.

Quick thoughts, I'm tired tonight and will check back in tomorrow.

I have to disagree, with 72 and Clark scumteam, and suggest Clark + Looker instead.
VOTE: ClarkBar

JamSV/Raya

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• Flip preferences: 24% JamSV | 22% Raya | 19% Battle Mage | 18% ThirteenthJT | 9% ClarkBar | 8% 72offsuit
  • Jams's imgur post shows he voteparked a town slot and has avoided suspicion all game.
• I think it's interesting that this is a newbie game, but there are like no newbies.
  
• That was kind of a low blow - "His reads don't tend to be particularly accurate in general". My reads are as accurate as anybody else's.

VOTE: JamSV

[Looker]

Spoiler:

Okay so important question, I'm going to assume, that it is in order of scum likeliness, such that the higher percentage we have, the scummier we are. In that regards, why is Clark 0%, a perfect town read, I find it interesting given none of us have him as our strongest town read. Can we interpret it as mason buddies / scum buddies, as realistically, even if I was convinced Battle Mage was the towniest town that town has ever seen, there's still a chance something could change and I'd want to remove him, the 0% seems suspicious if we consider % by scum likeliness.

If we consider % instead by removing based off of scum likeliness + you liking their play style, I think the 0% on Clark and the 9% on A9offsuit makes less sense. I'd like an explanation on 72offsuit's if that's the case.

As such, instead of leaving this up to interpretation what %s represent and why you have the numbers, could you care to order us by scum likeliness?

I don't understand which words you were trying to put in my mouth. Either way, you didn't wait for my explanation before you hammered.

I decided to do a bit of work for Looker, because I was curious. Based off of mod's vote count posts because I'm too lazy to go through 30 pages. Thank you Nahdia.
Table of who voted for whom voted for whom:
https://imgur.com/Cv3ZhUu idk how to include images into a post properly.

A bunch of logic stuff, read if you want, but it's in a spoiler if you don't want to.

Basically, what the spoiler says is, its nonsense, I could explain more but I got bored. I felt like proving his post about how he got his %s was just a lie. I really would like to see his read list on everybody, doesn't necessarily need an explanation, I'd also like an explanation between the 0% on Clark because his explanation was nonsense, and on the 9% for 72offsuit. Good news though Porkens, depending on how he responds, can change my mind into expecting a ClarkBar/Looker duo.

Your assumptions are confusing me. I also think it's weird that you went from "I don't understand what Looker means" to "Looker is being purposefully 'nonsensical'" without any input from me.

I have to disagree, with 72 and Clark scumteam, and suggest Clark + Looker instead.
VOTE: ClarkBar

JamSV/Raya

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• Flip preferences: 24% JamSV | 22% Raya | 19% Battle Mage | 18% ThirteenthJT | 9% ClarkBar | 8% 72offsuit
  • Jams's imgur post shows he voteparked a town slot and has avoided suspicion all game.
• I think it's interesting that this is a newbie game, but there are like no newbies.
  
• That was kind of a low blow - "His reads don't tend to be particularly accurate in general". My reads are as accurate as anybody else's.

VOTE: JamSV

You had plenty of time, not to mention I was more than willing to have waited for an extra 24 hours for the day to go on, but TTJT and Clark both had intent to hammer, if you're going to have a go at somebody for not giving you time to explain, look at Clark and TTJT, I at least managed to salvage an extra page of posts for town.

No one's having a go at anyone - what I'm doing is pointing out that you only pretended to care about my answers. Same thing with the VCA thing - I don't see how you made your progression to accusation without further input; it's disingenuous.

Spoiler:

Okay so important question, I'm going to assume, that it is in order of scum likeliness, such that the higher percentage we have, the scummier we are. In that regards, why is Clark 0%, a perfect town read, I find it interesting given none of us have him as our strongest town read. Can we interpret it as mason buddies / scum buddies, as realistically, even if I was convinced Battle Mage was the towniest town that town has ever seen, there's still a chance something could change and I'd want to remove him, the 0% seems suspicious if we consider % by scum likeliness.

If we consider % instead by removing based off of scum likeliness + you liking their play style, I think the 0% on Clark and the 9% on A9offsuit makes less sense. I'd like an explanation on 72offsuit's if that's the case.

As such, instead of leaving this up to interpretation what %s represent and why you have the numbers, could you care to order us by scum likeliness?

I don't understand which words you were trying to put in my mouth. Either way, you didn't wait for my explanation before you hammered.

I decided to do a bit of work for Looker, because I was curious. Based off of mod's vote count posts because I'm too lazy to go through 30 pages. Thank you Nahdia.
Table of who voted for whom voted for whom:
https://imgur.com/Cv3ZhUu idk how to include images into a post properly.

A bunch of logic stuff, read if you want, but it's in a spoiler if you don't want to.

Basically, what the spoiler says is, its nonsense, I could explain more but I got bored. I felt like proving his post about how he got his %s was just a lie. I really would like to see his read list on everybody, doesn't necessarily need an explanation, I'd also like an explanation between the 0% on Clark because his explanation was nonsense, and on the 9% for 72offsuit. Good news though Porkens, depending on how he responds, can change my mind into expecting a ClarkBar/Looker duo.

Your assumptions are confusing me. I also think it's weird that you went from "I don't understand what Looker means" to "Looker is being purposefully 'nonsensical'" without any input from me.

I have to disagree, with 72 and Clark scumteam, and suggest Clark + Looker instead.
VOTE: ClarkBar

JamSV/Raya

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• Flip preferences: 24% JamSV | 22% Raya | 19% Battle Mage | 18% ThirteenthJT | 9% ClarkBar | 8% 72offsuit
  • Jams's imgur post shows he voteparked a town slot and has avoided suspicion all game.
• I think it's interesting that this is a newbie game, but there are like no newbies.
  
• That was kind of a low blow - "His reads don't tend to be particularly accurate in general". My reads are as accurate as anybody else's.

VOTE: JamSV

EBWOP, the game was also started to progress towards the Porkens hammer regardless. With regards to vote parking a town slot, 6 people were okay with a Porkens hammer and you think you have a valid point?

Condescension aside, you're leaving out the part where you've skated under the radar all game. The first person to vote you gets an OMGUS.

Additionally, how on earth can you say openly that I'm putting words into your mouth, I asked for you to explain things in both, if I were putting words into your mouth I wouldn't bother.

You said I was claiming masons with Clark.

Similarly why on earth did you include my post saying I think you and Clark are more likely to be scum partners than Clark and 72. I get people hate OMGUS and such, but you including that quote literally devalued everything you said, you've literally demonstrated with it that you're voting me because I suspect you and Clark.

On Earth. Me including a quote doesn't devalue anything - it makes it easier for me to do my reread and document what my thoughts are at this point.

@Looker, while we are at it, now that you're responding,

Am I supposed to say "Nice try"?

why don't you actually address the issues people had with your percentage post?

People? Are there more than you?

Similarly, why not address how the order has changed for ClarkBar and 72offsuit in your new percentage post.

"Why not". Porkens and LicketyQuick flipped town.

I can guarantee with pretty high odds, that the only reason he is no longer 0 is because people have started to suspect him. So what will you do Looker? Drop the bad cases you have against people, actually attempt with a read and explanations, or keep going balls to the walls with aggression but with no explanation or backbone?

Condescension and laughably inflated ego aside, how can you say in the same sentence that I have a bad case and no case simultaneously? All of this could have been summed up rather succinctly with "No, you!".

I can tell you what would be best for you and town, which would be explaining. You replaced into the game rather late, as such you've had plenty of time to read over the game, and should have one of the freshest outlooks on the game. I look forward to you being helpful for town and explaining yourself, or for you to give me more ammunition for a scum case against you.
UNVOTE: ClarkBar
VOTE: Looker

But you don't like my explanation. And my outlook

is

fresh.

Spoiler:

Either way, you intimidation tactics are ineffective. The only thing you're using as "ammunition for a scum case" against me is my suspicion of you, which is insufficient.

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• I'm not going Raya over JamSV.
  
• Battle Mage says my PoE is "horrible", but then doesn't say why.

[Looker]

991
Long Story Short
Many people have also brought up the lack of sustenance your % stuff has. It's not just me, I'm the one pushing for you to explain in depth. Once again, you were incapable of explaining any read or percentage Looker.

What people, and I think you mean substance. What part of my explanation did you not like? "Incapable"? Are you a troll account?

Try harder. My vote isn't moving, at least not for the next few days.

What part of your lazy complacency is supposed to compel me?

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• How am I an OMGUS vote on JamSV when I voted him first?
  • And if JamSV hasn't skated under the radar, why am I the first person to vote him?

[Looker]

Spoiler:

Screw it. Let's test something out. I really feel Jamsv is pursuing a non issue instead of scumhunting. But maybe it's just me not understanding the percentage dispute and why it matters at all. It was just a different way to do a readlist in my eyes.

VOTE: Jamsv

You might aswell have no read list if percentages are a read list.

I can only let you distract me so much. I explained, but I'll do it again.

• Porkens flipped town; this increases the likelihood of scum on his wagon
• The fact that no one's voted you increases your chances of being scum to me. Also, your struggle for wagon placement.

Once again, all he has to do is explain any of his %s, rather than just saying they're made up based off of votes, I already debunked than nonsense.

This is the part that isn't true and why you're scummy. Your investigation is insincere. You progressed from "I don't understand" to "This is nonsense" - how? It makes perfect sense, but you just don't care.

The more he denies the more and more certain I am he is scum, we may aswell still have Homura because of how little impact he really is having.

Stubbornness isn't a scumhunting tool. The "impact" debate is irrelevant and subjective.

Explain the bloomin' percentage read list already Looker. To all non UK residents please read bloomin with a u sound instead of an oo sound for authenticity ty.

I did.

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I feel you're making a mistake about Jam
VOTE: Raya36

[Looker]

• Clark calling me "hostile" is a bit exaggerative.
  
• What's "ART"?
  
• Bearing on nothing? How can my response to someone not have any bearing on the topic? These approaches are confusing me.
  
• It made no sense to flip Raya yesterday when my suspects were Porkens and JamSV.
  • Scum are JamSV and Raya

[Looker]

Spoiler:

• Clark calling me "hostile" is a bit exaggerative.
  
• What's "ART"?
  
• Bearing on nothing? How can my response to someone not have any bearing on the topic? These approaches are confusing me.
  
• It made no sense to flip Raya yesterday when my suspects were Porkens and JamSV.
  • Scum are JamSV and Raya

Feel free to explain any of your suspicions, still waiting.

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• I don't get it. Is Clark saying I was being rude?
  • Also, I saw the acronym in several posts; it just wasn't spelled out. And, yeah, I've skimmed a couple of the pages; I focused more on votecounts.
  • I actually replaced in to win, despite belligerence and insults. These are some awkward scumhunting tools. I think that might explain why your replace rate is so high.
  • And Raya hasn't been here. You can't really do anything with 0 reaction.

[Looker]

Also did not like Lookers vote on Raya after pushing Jamsv. Potential last attempt to divert wagon but I actually think it's too obvious for it to be really the case.

No one's going to flip JamSV. I don't know why, but the consensus is that he's stolidly town. The intent is to build enough credibility to flip the other. It doesn't really matter which one goes first.

And Raya hasn't been here. You can't really do anything with 0 reaction.

So why the vote?

You replaced into scum; I just didn't have any new stuff from Raya to quote. For some reason, me not quoting her was a concern.

Spoiler:

Feel free to explain any of your suspicions, still waiting.

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• I don't get it. Is Clark saying I was being rude?
  • Also, I saw the acronym in several posts; it just wasn't spelled out. And, yeah, I've skimmed a couple of the pages; I focused more on votecounts.
  • I actually replaced in to win, despite belligerence and insults. These are some awkward scumhunting tools. I think that might explain why your replace rate is so high.
  • And Raya hasn't been here. You can't really do anything with 0 reaction.

Once again still haven't explained the %s

. I already debunked how silly it is to apparently go off of votecount~
Is asking for an explanation of reads so immeasurably insane or something?

I honestly did it that last time because i thought you were being rude. I explained why I suspected you and Raya earlier, but, since Dunnstral's replaced in, I'll go further. The fact that no one's voted you at all and you were on a townflip increases your likelihood for being scum. I don't see why Porkens's wagon wouldn't be the first place to look, especially with him and LQ flipping town. Clark is claiming Cop and an innocent on Thirteenth, so his slot should be self-resolving. 72offsuit didn't eliminate town. Raya/Dunnstral pushed Echo/LQ and Porkens, both who flipped town. Blopp/Battle Mage could be scum as well.

I've looked over your games, all you do is post single sentences with little impact to fly under the radar, regardless of alignment.

Are these things not hurtful to you people?

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• Is Clark accusing me of being a bad SE? You guys killed the SE's, and the one you have left you're arguing with over playstyle.
  • Also, I'm posting as much as I can in this game that I play to relax. I have an actual job, though, and actual loved ones, so snark doesn't compel me to "try harder" regardless of whether you think I'm scum or not. I
    do
    try my best, though, which is why insulting people's intelligence and literacy isn't impressive to me.
• I'll stop being so sensitive.

Ask away.

[Looker]

The issue when its 3v2 of voting at all, is it actually allows potential for both scum partners to hop on and quick hammer. So I don't know how to take what 72 just did.

AKA. Did 72 just hit a scum slot as town or is 72 scum? It isn't town hitting town as scum would win.

I think it means that Battle Mage is scum. It's interesting that you'd still vote for me, though.

Mas claim time. I am the town doctor. I was bout to warn you guys not to close out the day because I would w unavailable to send in a night action until today. I'll respond after work

That's not very believable. Why wouldn't you just ask for an extension? Who all did you protect?

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• I should've stuck to my guns yesterday and stayed on JamSV. Pending ThirteenthJT's response, I'm thinking BM + JamSV. That would explain BM trying to take up for my playstyle yesterday.

VOTE: Battle Mage

[Looker]

UNVOTE:

[Looker]

I'm cool with the 1v1 VOTE: JamSV

[Looker]

Prod received. Reading now.

[Looker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know - you hate us. Got it.

The doc bluff was hilarious.

[Looker]

"Hey, man, I'm a doc that didn't protect the cop because I was busy. No, I didn't submit V/LA. No, I didn't ask for an extension. Just get off my back, alright??"

[Looker]

"Hey, man, I'm a doc that didn't protect the cop because I was busy. No, I didn't submit V/LA. No, I didn't ask for an extension. Just get off my back, alright??"

I don;t think comments like this are helpful.

Learn to win gracefully.

Jam and I had you pegged, don;t gloat.

Aahhh, I guess that could be seen as insulting. I pointed it out because I thought it was clever.

[Looker]

I immediately went "Wait, but we're goons."

[Looker]

Either way,

salt salt salt salt salt salt salt salt salt

[Looker]

I wish we would've kicked LL before the replacement because the player in me wanted to give Porkens a fair chance. Sorry for being so desperate, Porkens. Payback

[Looker]

No problem

I didn’t read too closely after being eliminated, but it seems you all had fun. Probs to BM for having the energy to spew all those words as scum.

haha yes, my typical scumplay is just to shamelessly lurk.

Spoiler:

[Looker]

No problem

I didn’t read too closely after being eliminated, but it seems you all had fun. Probs to BM for having the energy to spew all those words as scum.

haha yes, my typical scumplay is just to shamelessly lurk.

Spoiler:

***fixed

And I tried to kill Jams twice lol