Newbie 2016: Snapdragons (Game Over)

[LicketyQuickety]

It's a lie that LL prefers short Days necessarily.

[LicketyQuickety]

[LicketyQuickety]

124

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: GB

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: 72

[LicketyQuickety]

We have about 4 days left in D1 and we have a lot of content to inform us for things on D2.

GB seems to be giving "too little to late" content. He might be Town here, but given how everyone else in the game is playing, Consider this Intent to hammer.

[LicketyQuickety]

UNVOTE: George

Official Vote Count 1.11

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With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Lynching

GeorgeBailey

(4): QuantumQuasar, LuckyLuciano, 72offsuit, Poyzin

Quick

(2): NotAJumbleOfNumbers, Marashu

Marashu

(1): GeorgeBailey

Not Voting

(2): teacher, Quick

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-06-02 18:20:00).

Mod notes:

• Searching for a replacement for NotAJumbleOfNumbers.
  
• Be civil.

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[LicketyQuickety]

Why did you come back?

[LicketyQuickety]

Why are you asking me for a read on lucky in the middle of your reads list?

I like to ask questions on players I'm unsure of. Sometimes I stick it in my readslist. My readslists are mostly just reference for myself. Could you answer please?

Isn't it Scummy for 72 to ask that?

[LicketyQuickety]

Why are you asking me for a read on lucky in the middle of your reads list?

I like to ask questions on players I'm unsure of. Sometimes I stick it in my readslist. My readslists are mostly just reference for myself. Could you answer please?

Isn't it Scummy for 72 to ask that?

How so?

Why aks that? Never heard or seen that it is or should be Scummy to ask a question in the middle of a readslist. Like, it's totally something I can see Scum asking to try and look like they are Scum hunting, but not something I can really see Town asking that thinking, "Hmm, seems pretty out of the ordinary you ask a question mid RL. I bet if I ask them why they did that they couldn't come up with an answer if they are Scum." Yeah, not really seeing that coming from Town. Unless 72 has a gob of experience, but even then there are way better things to talk about than something that doesn't really seem Scummy inherently. 72's follow up doesn't really look good either.

[LicketyQuickety]

There's a LOT more that goes into playing as Scum than simply copying your Town game. Just saying.

[LicketyQuickety]

LicketyQuickety - Null, need to

hear more

.

Hear away:

[LicketyQuickety]

LicketyQuickety - Null, need to

hear more

.

Hear away:

Hm not bad. This earns a townlean

Spoiler: I will fail you

[LicketyQuickety]

Allow me take a turn at attempting to pocket

It's alright. I tend to like music a little more on the aggressive side.

Given the bands you've listed, you might like this (I have the demo).

[LicketyQuickety]

For example, this is more my speed:

[LicketyQuickety]

Lead singer of ^ that has a side project.

[LicketyQuickety]

I wonder if this game just has quiet people or if certain posts simply kill it. Of course the answer with just the above bit is obviously the latter.

Yep. Quick pretty much did the same thing in Newbie 2017. No surprises scum won that game.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=83106

Is this your best defense of my vote on you is saying I killed the flow of the thread? Right after I subbed in we had an influx of like 3 pages in a relatively short time.

[LicketyQuickety]

Keep in mind the reason that LL wants Blopp out of the game is the exact reason I wanted Gorge Bailey out of the the game but in that game LL unvotes GB because they don't want to end the day that early.

[LicketyQuickety]

And why has no one really said a single word about my case on 72/LL?

[LicketyQuickety]

Keep in mind the reason that LL wants Blopp out of the game is the exact reason I wanted Gorge Bailey out of the the game but in that game LL unvotes GB because they don't want to end the day that early.

It's not at all the same. I unvoted GB because I thought he was town and preferred to kick Marashu, and I wanted more AI content from a particular replacement slot. In other words, there were better leads to follow at the time, in this game Blopp is the best lead. Guess what, Marashu and that replacement slot were both mafia. Somehow town managed to get perfect gamed after I got sick and had to replace out.

Then you were voting for a TR as Town.

[LicketyQuickety]

And why has no one really said a single word about my case on 72/LL?

Is your case essentially that 72o asked Raya why they asked for a read of me?

No.

[LicketyQuickety]

Whether my read on GB changed over time or I deliberately voted a TR as town (I don't know why I even have to offer this as an option with you), does that have any implication on this game?

It means that you are nerfing your Town game to up your Scum game. As such, I shall show no mercy to anyone who prioritized their Scum game over their Town game. Surely you can see you have made this bed and now you have to sleep in it?

[LicketyQuickety]

So you are assuming that I deliberately voted a TR as town, rather than my read on GB changed over time (lol), and you are advocating a policy lynch because of that?

My case can completely ignore your reasons for voting a TR as Town and still be 100% completely legit.

[LicketyQuickety]

What is your case? I don't see a case from you on me anywhere.

It can be summed up to 72 lying about your meta. I've voting 72 because he's the one who lied, but you never corrected him, so you are just as guilty given most of your case on lynching lurkers is dependent on 72's meta read on you being correct.

[LicketyQuickety]

So that's why nobody has addressed your case, it's a joke. 72o wasn't in the game you are citing. You are citing a game where you had a 300 post TvT 1v1 that I replaced into

after

the 1v1 as proof that I don't like short D1s because I unvoted an obvtown slot (which was not yet obvtown when I had voted them) because you threatened to quickhammer them in favor of eliminating a mafia slot instead, and using the time it takes to move a wagon to prod info out of the other mafia slot.

The facts tell a different story.

Newbie 2007: Air

Moderator:

Datisi

Player List:

1. votato
   (replaces Legarth,

   NotAJumbleOfNumbers

   )
   
   
2. Poyzin
   
   
3. 72offsuit*
   (replaces hfire)
   
   
4. jaıdenbox
   (replaces

   gibus

   ,

   LuckyLuciano*

   )
   
   
5. DkKoba
   (replaces

   QuantumQuasar*

   )
   
   
6. Marashu*
   (replaces Bdaboss333)
   
   
7. LicketyQuickety* (SE)
   (replaces

   Quick

   , their alt account)
   
   
8. GeorgeBailey* (SE)
   
   
9. Red Panda (SE)
   (replaces

   teacher*

   )

* denotes prod

Alive:

Spoiler: (2/9)

• Marashu,
  Mafia Roleblocker
  , survives and wins.
  
• Red Panda,
  Mafia Goon
  , survives and wins.

Dead:

Spoiler: (7/9)

• GeorgeBailey,
  Vanilla Townie
  , lynched Day 1
  
• 72offsuit,
  Vanilla Townie
  , killed Night 1
  
• jaıdenbox,
  Vanilla Townie
  , lynched Day 2
  
• DkKoba,
  Town Doctor
  , killed Night 2
  
• Poyzin,
  Town Cop
  , lynched Day 3
  
• votato,
  Vanilla Townie
  , killed in the Endgame
  
• LicketyQuickety,
  Vanilla Townie
  , killed in the Endgame

Events:

Spoiler: day one

Day 1 starts
VC 1.01
VC 1.02
VC 1.03
VC 1.04
VC 1.05
LuckyLuciano replaces gibus
VC 1.06
VC 1.07
VC 1.08
VC 1.09
VC 1.10
VC 1.11
VC 1.12
VC 1.13
VC 1.14
votato replaces NotAJumbleOfNumbers
LicketyQuickety replaces Quick
VC 1.15
Red Panda replaces teacher
VC 1.16
VC 1.17
DkKoba replaces QuantumQuasar
VC 1.18
VC 1.19
VC 1.20
VC 1.21
jaıdenbox replaces LuckyLuciano
VC 1.22
VC 1.23
VC 1.24
VC 1.FINAL
Day 1 ends

Spoiler: day two

Day 2 starts
VC 2.00
VC 2.01
VC 2.02
VC 2.03
VC 2.04
VC 2.05
VC 2.06
VC 2.07
VC 2.FINAL
Day 2 ends

Spoiler: day three

Day 3 starts
VC 3.00
VC 3.01
VC 3.FINAL
Day 3 ends
Game over!

Spoiler: VoteCounter Settings

Living Players

votato (replaces NotAJumbleOfNumbers)
Poyzin
Marashu
LicketyQuickety (replaces Quick; LQ)
Red Panda (replaces teacher; RP)

Links

Day 3: Post #1905

[LicketyQuickety]

Both you and 72 in the game this happened.

Official Vote Count 1.12

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With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Lynching

GeorgeBailey

(3): QuantumQuasar, 72offsuit, Poyzin

Quick

(2): NotAJumbleOfNumbers, Marashu

Marashu

(2): GeorgeBailey, LuckyLuciano

Not Voting

(2): teacher, Quick

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-06-02 18:20:00).

Mod notes:

• Searching for a replacement for NotAJumbleOfNumbers.
  
• Be civil.

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[LicketyQuickety]

They really don't, but okay, keep preaching that until you decide to actually play the game instead of continuing to try and snipe me in games so you can keep fascinating over your belief that I'm somebody that I'm not and finding new and unique reasons to vote me because of your hatred for that person.

You've been caught red handed. If this is the best defense of my case, I'm afraid I am going to have to...

VOTE: LL

P-Edit: None of that has anything to do with my case on you.

[LicketyQuickety]

I have a TPR. Let's move on.

Why should I believe you wouldn't say this as Scum?

[LicketyQuickety]

Blopp (2): LuckyLuciano, 72offsuit

Also, this pretty much implicates 72 as well given 72 was the person who said LL tries to end the day early/doesn't like long days which I have proven that 72 knows this is not necessarily true.

[LicketyQuickety]

So you are advocating eliminating a claimed power role day 1 when, in claiming, my slot because self-resolving as the game goes on anyway?

No, I'm claiming my case is rock solid and you claiming PR doesn't dissuade me at all given that is exactly what you would do if you were Scum. Like, what is my incentive to believe you are telling the truth about being TPR?

[LicketyQuickety]

EBWOP: So you are advocating eliminating a claimed power role day 1 when, in claiming, my slot becomes self-resolving as the game goes on anyway?

Yeah. I've shown 72 blatantly lied about your meta because there was no way he could have known I would be entering the game to fact check that statement. You never denied such statement, but instead used it to push a no content slot, which is in direct opposition to what I pointed out in the game I listed where you actually unvoted a do-nothing slot.

[LicketyQuickety]

Sure, keep saying that.

Like, do you have an argument here on why I am wrong? It seems like you are just trying to convince me I "could be wrong" without actually addressing anything I have said.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm not going to argue with you. Random nonsensical 1v1s are what you masturbate to. If the rest of the players in the game agree on eliminating a claimed TPR D1, so be it.

I wouldn't want to 1v1 with me either.

[LicketyQuickety]

Like, if you are mason with 72, just say so. If you are that would make sense. But it's not really my fault I caught 72 lying about your meta and thought he was Scum for it.

Anyways, if you ARE masons with 72, which I would say is about 50/50 at this point, then I would look at Raya36 for the blatant buddy attempt as well as Thirteen for them affirming LL's meta and budying me. I DON'T think Blopp flaking is actually AI.

[LicketyQuickety]

UNVOTE:

To give Town a moment to process what just happened.

[LicketyQuickety]

I am actually more sure thirteen is Scum than Raya36 at this point. Them being off wagon makes me feel weird about that slot.

[LicketyQuickety]

Going to vote it.

VOTE: TheThirteenthJT

[LicketyQuickety]

Also, I have historically been really bad about outing Masons as Town. IDK why I do it. I just sense something is off and push it and then it comes out. It's really damn hard to stop myself to think if it's Masons or just Scum team. If LL claims mason, I will totally leave it alone and more or less believe the claim.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm not masons with 72o. I am not giving any more info about my role claim just to help mafia solve the setup. My slots self-resolves at this point. Either it becomes blatantly obvious I'm lying as the game goes on, or I'm telling the truth.

If you are not dead D2 and there was a kill N1, you know where I will be voting. I would hope the rest of Town would be able to see this logic as well. In short, you don't make it to D3.

[LicketyQuickety]

My reasons for NOT voting LL have diminished, so I would totally go back there. But let's see how people react to what happened before I get ahead of myself.

[LicketyQuickety]

Keep in mind the reason that LL wants Blopp out of the game is the exact reason I wanted Gorge Bailey out of the the game but in that game LL unvotes GB because they don't want to end the day that early.

That's not even close to describing the dynamic of that previous newbie game.

I am actually more sure thirteen is Scum than Raya36 at this point. Them being off wagon makes me feel weird about that slot.

Why do you scumread TTJT for being OFF a garbage-wagon?

So you care why I SR someone else even though you think my case on you isn't actually a case at all? Am I getting this right? Just trying to be thorough.

[LicketyQuickety]

Obviously. Your towngame being useless aside, I still have to sort your slot.

Sort away, but I have no incentive to actually play along with you given what you have said here, so I will not be answering your questions.

[LicketyQuickety]

So you agree Raya and Homura are scummy, and yet you are happy to be on LL's wagon with them?

I missed where they said Homura was Scummy.

[LicketyQuickety]

I have a Scum tell (for me) specific to me and you went for it. I haven't tested it too much but all the times I have noticed, Scum has done it.

Also, not really sure what you are defending against in the above posts. My read on you is not in association with LL.

[LicketyQuickety]

Gosh this game looks like a mess regarding replacements.

Uh huh. That's been happening a lot lately. Don't know why, but I don't actually need to know why to know it's happening.

[LicketyQuickety]

But I'm really confused.

Yeah, I get that a lot.

[LicketyQuickety]

[LicketyQuickety]

This isn't Yahtzee.

[LicketyQuickety]

BTW, I didn't actually show off my heavier tastes in music yet, so who's ready for that?

[LicketyQuickety]

7 pages since I entered the game at 3 days. It's been 3 days over 4th of July weekend and we doubled our post count. Pretty sure that's a win for me.

[LicketyQuickety]

7 pages since I entered the game at 3 days. It's been 3 days over 4th of July weekend and we doubled our post count. Pretty sure that's a win for me.

NGL, as a brit, I completely forgot about the 4th of July being a thing. That actually explains so much about why the games I'm in are dead quiet

I won't hold it against you. There is very little reason to remember the 4th of July if you are from a different country.

[LicketyQuickety]

Pro tip: get an avatar.

[LicketyQuickety]

Pro tip: get an avatar.

VOTE: licketyquickety

are you a Pro?

No, just being a parrot.

[LicketyQuickety]

This isn't Yahtzee.

BTW, I didn't actually show off my heavier tastes in music yet, so who's ready for that?

7 pages since I entered the game at 3 days. It's been 3 days over 4th of July weekend and we doubled our post count. Pretty sure that's a win for me.

7 pages since I entered the game at 3 days. It's been 3 days over 4th of July weekend and we doubled our post count. Pretty sure that's a win for me.

NGL, as a brit, I completely forgot about the 4th of July being a thing. That actually explains so much about why the games I'm in are dead quiet

I won't hold it against you. There is very little reason to remember the 4th of July if you are from a different country.

I'm guessing not...

I feel... Violated.

[LicketyQuickety]

This isn't Yahtzee.

BTW, I didn't actually show off my heavier tastes in music yet, so who's ready for that?

7 pages since I entered the game at 3 days. It's been 3 days over 4th of July weekend and we doubled our post count. Pretty sure that's a win for me.

7 pages since I entered the game at 3 days. It's been 3 days over 4th of July weekend and we doubled our post count. Pretty sure that's a win for me.

NGL, as a brit, I completely forgot about the 4th of July being a thing. That actually explains so much about why the games I'm in are dead quiet

I won't hold it against you. There is very little reason to remember the 4th of July if you are from a different country.

I'm guessing not...

I feel... Violated.

UNVOTE:

J/K

[LicketyQuickety]

Battle Mage replaces Blopp.

See this is an issue now, I don't like playing with Battle Mage, I feel like he's too important as asset for town as scum and town, which is just a huge pain.

Pretend I am a yoyo and walk the dog.

[LicketyQuickety]

Battle Mage, I made you an avatar so you can now be a pro like me.

[LicketyQuickety]

I appreciate the effort here! I will actually consider using this.

You should see what happens when I put in effort.

[LicketyQuickety]

except for maybe some questionable music taste

Excuse you?

[LicketyQuickety]

Are you actively looking to out masons this game? Or power role hunting?

No. I already explained this.

Also your music share with Raya seems very suspicious now. It's almost as if you could have had the conversation in a scum player thread but purposefully choose to do it on this thread as a weird distancing attempt.

That's nice.

[LicketyQuickety]

except for maybe some questionable music taste

Excuse you?

Of course no offense is intended. But there is a difference between noise and

music

.

It's a little on the slow side.

[LicketyQuickety]

UNVOTE: 72
VOTE: Blopp

[LicketyQuickety]

Players who push the game forward and generate AI content don't die D1.

Spoiler: Nothing like a good old fashioned meme for this occasion

Is my point getting across? Is LL Town because of their claim? Honest question.

I have a TPR. Let's move on.

Why should I believe you wouldn't say this as Scum?

[LicketyQuickety]

LL is also a lot less wordy as Town. I am assuming this pattern holds based on how I would assume LL would play as Scum given prior experience playing with them. This is not strictly a "meta read" but rather a personality trait narrative read. There's a diff but I don't really feel like explaining rn.

[LicketyQuickety]

focusing our resources... special circumstances were to occur...

You make zero sense in how you type things. Is this like a gimmick or something or just trying to hide your main?

[LicketyQuickety]

LL is also a lot less wordy as Town. I am assuming this pattern holds based on how I would assume LL would play as Scum given prior experience playing with them. This is not strictly a "meta read" but rather a personality trait narrative read. There's a diff but I don't really feel like explaining rn.

But how is LL with power role? I will have to meta them myself when I get a chance. Can't take your word for everything either

Sure, but you will arrive at a different conclusion than I have.

[LicketyQuickety]

By the way, does anybody think with good odds LL is a mason? If not then we can narrow down the game a bunch.

I gave my mason solve for LL already. If not with 72 I think it's a fools errand to try and speculate more than that.

[LicketyQuickety]

By the way, does anybody think with good odds LL is a mason? If not then we can narrow down the game a bunch.

I gave my mason solve for LL already. If not with 72 I think it's a fools errand to try and speculate more than that.

I more meant with good odds, ie, do you think its actually likely?

Not unless LL is lying about being masons with 72. I don't know how I feel about LL/72 as masons, but that is why I think 72 is actually Scummier than LL.

[LicketyQuickety]

72 has been completely underwhelming the last couple pages.

VOTE: 72

[LicketyQuickety]

It's okay JamSV, I'm writing a wall post and then I'm going to suggest you eliminate my slot so you can get your head out of your ass and play the game.

You had this same defeatists attitude in out last Newbie together. That doesn't mean I am TRing you for it. It means I don't like your play here.

[LicketyQuickety]

It's okay JamSV, I'm writing a wall post and then I'm going to suggest you eliminate my slot so you can get your head out of your ass and play the game.

Why get nasty? Especially in newbie games were it can discourage players from playing again if they aren't having fun. I get it's not fun being targeted but I hate these style arguments. The only reasonable conclusion I will come up with is people who ok get nasty with others are either uncooperative town or scum playing to their agenda.

Like I understand a joke or jab or two and who knows maybe you two are comfortable with each either to speak like that but I personally am getting tired of it.

Surprise surprise. I am TRing this post.

[LicketyQuickety]

It has less to do with JamSV, and more to do with the fact that the only two players on the site whom I avoid playing with - and they both know I avoid playing with them - chose to replace into the game, knowing that I am in it. @JamSV, sorry, but seriously... step up you game.

I didn't know that actually. I think you judge me too quickly. I get it, why you don't want to play with me, but you still judge me too quickly. That's actually one of the reasons I am SRing 72 so hard. He doesn't seem interested in how I play the game at all but he still feels like he has every right for me to play with him like I should ignore that or something and just answer his questions when he doesn't actually like my play. Not saying he should like my play, but I am am saying if that's the case then don't expect me to just ignore the fact you are never going to listen to any of my reads.

[LicketyQuickety]

72o is about as town as it gets.

Why?

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm almost done with my wallpost. The short version is that I know I'm town, so I know that his perspective's matching mine WRT Blopp and Raya means he's likely got a townie starting point with his read to the game. I know that's not useful to you, but I'm also going to advocate you eliminate my slot, at which point you should see that 72o's obvtown. He didn't just sheep me either, he gave independent original thoughts that shared my perspective of the game.

No, screw you for asking to get voted off the island.

[LicketyQuickety]

because he has an obsession with me

No, I don't. My problem is with people who play like you who don't really care about their Town game so they do dumb shit like this so they can pull the same sort of thing as Scum. That's something I despise. It has nothing to do with you personally. It has to do with the fact you would rather play in a way that is more manipulative than straightforward. I don't really care if that is a playstyle or not, it generally makes you a bad person. There are MANY different ways to play this game while still being straightforward and not doing dumb ass shit to up your Scum game.

[LicketyQuickety]

I want to hear from Lick how accurate this is, that Lick would've pushed for a Lucky hammer regardless.

It's complete Bull. I evaluate people based on their play. I don't hold grudges from one game to the next. That said, if I suspect a player who is playing in a dishonest way to up their Scum game, then I'm going to make it my aim to put an especially large amount of scrutiny on that player going forward. But if I see they actually change the way they play, then I will evaluate them based on their new way of playing. I always assume people play this game in an honest way until proven otherwise. LL's antics don't really do anything for me changing how I evaluate that slot going forward since they replaced out and threw a hissy fit. I've documented my reasons for suspecting 72 and LL being teamed and then I reevaluated when I saw what could make sense from them as Town. Whether LL's slot as Town or Scum at this point wouldn't surprise me either way. But it's NOT true that I was somehow holding some grudge against them and would literally throw the game and play against my win con just to spite them.

[LicketyQuickety]

Hmm what to do with this slot. I don't want to wait for replacement of we aren't going to give them a fair chance. Personally for me I'd say to almost disregard LL plays for whomever replaces in but I know that's not really possible. I want everyone in this wagon to give their opinions on what just happened.

I'm totally open to giving the replace in a fair shake.

[LicketyQuickety]

@Clark,

That's a good post and I think you have things pretty well mapped out. I also find you gave a fair and balanced look at each player though I'm not convinced that means you are Town.

My one concern is that you want to flip LL before seeing who replaces that slot. That's a bit of a concern but not a huge one. Other than that, I think if you keep playing you could be a fine player and have already shown you have the analytical capabilities to be a pretty good Town player even if you are Scum here.

[LicketyQuickety]

Scummy nominee
72offsuit

I haven't the slightest clue what this means. It's a newbie - no one is getting a Nom for this game.

[LicketyQuickety]

Looker
LicketyQuickety
JamS

Only 2 town-reads when from !town BM's PoV there are 7 other town?
Yeah nah. Scummy reads list.

Agree. Didn't like his long silence either but that might now be AI. Just felt they could have posted earlier if they wanted.

Why is everyone TRing 13 so hard?

[LicketyQuickety]

Scum ALWAYS

Wut? I only SR LL for claiming because that is what LL would do as Scum. I don't expect TOWN to claim PR as VT. Why should I expect that, 72?

[LicketyQuickety]

Hmm what to do with this slot. I don't want to wait for replacement of we aren't going to give them a fair chance. Personally for me I'd say to almost disregard LL plays for whomever replaces in but I know that's not really possible. I want everyone in this wagon to give their opinions on what just happened.

I'll give you my opinion, regardless of the apology at the end of 451 I find the last few posts by LL to be unacceptable. There's a dignified way of doing what LL did, but LL chose to be nasty and childish.

That said, I don't know that I find it all that AI. The fake TPR claim is strange, and potentially disastrous if LL is town and our setup has two masons, but falls in line with the defeatist and trashy behavior LL has demonstrated. His stated reason for doing it is something I find believable given his attitude. Obviously I'd like to hear what his replacement has to say but I don't know that I consider LL's wagon any weaker or stronger than before his embarrassing display.

I have seen LL be a bit snarky and abrasive before, that time he was scum. Newbie 2001.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=82865

In that game:
LL's post 507, his 576, his 580, his 582.

I don;t think his abrasiveness there really compares to it in this game.
There he swears more, and is more AtE-ish (Appealing to Emotion)

Having played with Quick before, I can understand LL's frustration towards Quick.

Regardless, I'm fairly confident that LL is town and Raya is scum.

Get off LL's dick for Christ's sake.

[LicketyQuickety]

I think I will just lay about and not do much till F3 when I can hammer BM if that's okay with everyone.

[LicketyQuickety]

This fits nicely with my LL-LQ solve.

Just what kind of backwards ass country do you come from where w/w play like this?

[LicketyQuickety]

331 P14
452 P19

I do not believe BW was ignorant of recent events. I know pretty much zero players who don't keep up with the new stuff in their catching up. It's going to be a hard sell to get me off BM, but he's counting on lynching me anyways, so we'll see.

[LicketyQuickety]

This fits nicely with my LL-LQ solve.

Just what kind of backwards ass country do you come from where w/w play like this?

what's your point?

[LicketyQuickety]

This fits nicely with my LL-LQ solve.

Just what kind of backwards ass country do you come from where w/w play like this?

what's your point?

Mistake.

You ARE keeping up with current events. Not sure how you can wiggle out of your LL/LQ solve now.

[LicketyQuickety]

Eh, not a fan of that.

I don't need fans to be this good.

VOTE: BM

[LicketyQuickety]

Eh, not a fan of that.

I don't need fans to be this good.

VOTE: BM

To be clear, this is purely because I pegged you as scum?

What do you think? How bad at Scum do you actually think I am here?

[LicketyQuickety]

You're fuckin twelve years old?

I lol'd and am TRing you for this joke.

[LicketyQuickety]

Nobody tell him.

I thought there was an age restriction for this site?

[LicketyQuickety]

Which is weird. I recently had someone ask me if you had to pay to be on this site.

Like, I am pretty sure no one is 12 yo on this site.

[LicketyQuickety]

I didn't know you were 12. Sorry if that came across like I was belittling you.

[LicketyQuickety]

Okay, this game just got weird. Apologise for any role I played in that. I'm not a creep or pedo or anything.

[LicketyQuickety]

Are you SCUM tho?

Nope, I'm Town this game.

BM is Scum though. His push on me is bad. In what world is LL and I Scum? Like, a fabrication of that caliber doesn't come from Town.

[LicketyQuickety]

In the case of LL/Porkens I would receive such a suggestion with bewilderment and suspicion. Unless of course that player lays out a really compelling case for town!LL. I mean

really

compelling.

Why would they have to view LL as Town? Why couldn't they see LL as Null and then decide they would prefer to lynch a stronger SR?

[LicketyQuickety]

@ Both of you: Do you believe that LL’s action were from frustrated town?

One possible way to read LL's actions is that they left with a final "hurrah". I actually don't like that mindset as they could have just as easily posted what they posted without leaving the game. That's the way I am leaning atm. My read on the play is that they left with their cards on the table, which they only did because they would otherwise just want to keep some things to themselves for other reasons which I have listed already.

[LicketyQuickety]

Quick creeping up to Clark below

Screw you.

[LicketyQuickety]

Quick creeping up to Clark below

Screw you.

You wait till I get to your comments about his age.

I have nothing to hide. I'd prefer you not be a douche though.

[LicketyQuickety]

TheThirteenthJT, JamSV

72offsuit, Porkens (SE), Looker

ClarkBar, Raya36 (SE)

Battle Mage

[LicketyQuickety]

TheThirteenthJT, JamSV

72offsuit, Porkens (SE)

ClarkBar, Raya36, Looker (SE)

Battle Mage

This is actually more accurate but doesn't really have the design I look for with a RL.

[LicketyQuickety]

I decided to do a bit of work for Looker, because I was curious. Based off of mod's vote count posts because I'm too lazy to go through 30 pages. Thank you Nahdia.
Table of who voted for whom voted for whom:
https://imgur.com/Cv3ZhUu idk how to include images into a post properly.

A bunch of logic stuff, read if you want, but it's in a spoiler if you don't want to.

Spoiler:

Now as we know, Looker gave Clark a 0% chance to be scum based off of who voted him, and who he voted for. He voted for Looker himself, and Porkens. Obviously he will treat himself as town, that means voting for Porkens does not make you scum at all, meaning Looker scum reads Porkens.

By those standards, myself, LicketyQuickety, and Raya36 should have lower %s by his standards. That isn't the case though. Meaning, those who voted for us, make us scum. In my case, based off of Mod vote counts, nobody has voted for me, yet I'm the 2nd highest to be scum for it, weird. This is strike 1 for his post being nonsensical.

Raya was voted for by TTJT and 72os, and voted Porkens and LicketyQuickety, from this we can assume Looker town reads TTJT, 72os, and LicketyQuickety. However based off of the percentages for me, Raya, lickety, and TTJT, this makes no sense again. This is strike 2 for his post being nonsensical.

LicketyQuickety voted for Battle Mage, Porkens, 72, and TTJT, well, we just worked out TTJT and 72 were town, and a vote on porkens gave ClarkBar a 0%, so this implies Battle Mage is scum. This is strike 3 for his post being nonsensical.

Basically, what the spoiler says is, its nonsense, I could explain more but I got bored. I felt like proving his post about how he got his %s was just a lie. I really would like to see his read list on everybody, doesn't necessarily need an explanation, I'd also like an explanation between the 0% on Clark because his explanation was nonsense, and on the 9% for 72offsuit. Good news though Porkens, depending on how he responds, can change my mind into expecting a ClarkBar/Looker duo.

I suspected it was nonsense but I am not really even sure that makes him Scum, surprisingly. Looker is a strange dude.

[LicketyQuickety]

You should look at the red bit tomorrow. I'm definitely seeing an LL-LQ scumteam.

Yawn. Which I totally called here:

Not sure how you can wiggle out of your LL/LQ solve now.

[LicketyQuickety]

This is awkward. But if we leave aside the primary awkwardness, I see buddying Looker, and then buddying Clark - both with really weird tone. Not a hint of any actual scumhunting though. Quick at this point, simply cruising on his BM-vote, which is still yet to be adequately explained.

You're fuckin twelve years old?

I lol'd and am TRing you for this joke.

Nobody tell him.

I thought there was an age restriction for this site?

Which is weird. I recently had someone ask me if you had to pay to be on this site.

Like, I am pretty sure no one is 12 yo on this site.

I didn't know you were 12. Sorry if that came across like I was belittling you.

Okay, this game just got weird. Apologise for any role I played in that. I'm not a creep or pedo or anything.

By all means, flip Scum LL to catch Scum LQ. But yeah, this isn't going to fly with people.

[LicketyQuickety]

You should look at the red bit tomorrow. I'm definitely seeing an LL-LQ scumteam.

Yawn. Which I totally called here:

Not sure how you can wiggle out of your LL/LQ solve now.

You've missed the point here. The point is that everyone else has seen the same behaviour from you, they just haven't stopped to join up the dots.

I'm not looking at you WORDS, I'm looking at your ACTIONS.

[LicketyQuickety]

Quick - Show me where you viewed LL as null? I might post the progression myself, but happy for you to have first dibs!

Sure, but I'm doing this for Town, not for you.

Whether LL's slot as Town or Scum at this point wouldn't surprise me either way.

[LicketyQuickety]

@Battle Mage,

Who do you look at if Porkens flips Town? You still going to go after me? Or is your read on me DEPENDENT on LL?

[LicketyQuickety]

It was largely dependent on LL originally, though now I think you're independently scummier than he is, aside from the fakeclaim stuff. It's a moot point as LL/Porkens is obvscum due to the fakeclaim, retraction and then re-retraction. Your progression around the LL-claim and subsequently has been extraordinarily scummy, you have barely done anything of value despite being an SE who posts frequently and clearly has time to spend on the game, you are lazily parroting a vote on me which you haven't given a meaningful reason for (besides OMGUS) and you've been super-defensive ever since I first suggested you could be scum with Porkens.

Nope. Haven't been defensive. And being defensive isn't a Scum tell either.

I have a pretty clear progression on LL and you making it out to be bogus just shows more and more that you are Scum. You tried saying you were not keeping up to date with post in the very post you were being up to date with. I laid out my reasons for you being Scum already which haven't proven false. In fact, you pretty much confirmed it yourself. I don't see you being able to weasel out of a LL/LQ team at this point. You're pretty much stuck with it since I called you out.

Good luck lynching me, you're going to need it.

[LicketyQuickety]

Like, I ALMOST want to say if Porkens flips Scum, go ahead and Elim me.

P.S. I kinda hate calling it Elim.

[LicketyQuickety]

@Raya36,

Any way I can talk you off the ledge to vote for Scumbro BM?

[LicketyQuickety]

@Raya36,

Any way I can talk you off the ledge to vote for Scumbro BM?

Absolutely not but you can try

Okay, What about my case on BM isn't true?

[LicketyQuickety]

I can see any one of Looker, Clark, 13 being teamed with BM.

[LicketyQuickety]

Why would LL do that

Ah, that was probably the part that LL was most truthful.

[LicketyQuickety]

Looking at records is an individualistic mindset.

Why is this bad?