Smuggler's Port [Game Over]

[Alisae]

Ego I’ll probably play later

[Alisae]

Ship Copper

Already with the antitown noise I see.

Execute: Alisae

Hi

omg its a titus

Hihi

The second wincondition for scum makes this harder to solve.

We basically pick a pool day 1, investigate that result N1

If positive for tea, we execute in that pool hoping the daughter isn't in it. We then investigate new people and repeat.

If we get no tea, that's a shit load of conftown but a crap ton of scum endgame information.

I think there’s a bit more to the setup then this but I don’t really wanna explain it.

[Alisae]

What's the best way to handle shipments? Should we spread out more or less evenly across them? Should we order the scummiest person to ship copper all on their own?

I mostly play normal games (and open games that might as well be normal) so if there's theory around this kind of mechanic I'm not familiar with it.

I've never played a setup like this before and I need to do a lot more ~ thinking ~ but these were my initial takes:

- Overall, it seems like Town has to juggle gathering enough information to find at least 2 smugglers, while also preventing scum from obtaining enough information to find the TD
- From a 'deny information regarding the TD' standpoint, the worst case scenario for scum is for them to be split across all three shipments, this gets them no closer to finding the TD
- Therefore I suspect scum will try to avoid at least one shipment, to aim to clear some number of townies as

not

TD, even if it means those townies are also conftown
- This leads me to be thinking about if the ideal way for town to play would be to check a shipment of 3 or 4 people each night, hoping to hit tea (but no TD), and then eliminate from within that pool - I haven't crunched any numbers on this at all though
- The only way to definitively avoid TD being in the pool is for PA to claim and organize the shipments. I'm not sure if this is ideal though bc PA would then have to be extremely careful/guarded about all reads that they give, and it would also mean the game kinda becomes 'follow the IC' to a degree which I'm not sure would be all that fun either.

So in my mind, I'm thinking about whether the PA should claim and at what point. I do kinda gutfeel if we start to get close to PoEing by like Day 3 or Day 4, the PA should claim and organize the last shipment or two to avoid outing the TD. Or if we're feeling really confident (eliminated a Smuggler D1 or something), we could collectively just rerun a shipment of already town cleared.

There's also the question of whether the PA should ever decline to check a shipment to WIFOM the scums, but I haven't put a ton of thought into that yet. It's a move to consider though.

PA doesn’t need to out themselves. Village should always be thinking about who the PA is and use their brains about it methinks.

[Alisae]

Village should always be thinking about who the PA is and use their brains about it methinks.

Who is this "village" you refer to? I'd like you to know that i am under the command of the East India Company in bringing copper to the boonies and i'd like it if you showed some respect to our company's authority by referring to me and all of us as sophisticated merchants.

Well Norwee, you see.

I’m specifically referring to the townies who decided to install Raid Shadow Legends and play through the tutorial.
Did you know that if you installed Raid Shadow Legends and played through the tutorial, you’ll get
- more rands of your preferred alignment
- better teammates
- more rands of your favorite role
- and lastly, less toxic games
(results may vary)

[Alisae]

These spambots are getting quite advanced.

also, another thing you can do is you can go to my twitch channel, and you can "test" to see if your prime is working by clicking the subscribe button and then giving me your prime.

[Alisae]

I suggest we kick Hel off the Wheat trade and investigate that ship.

investigate Wheat

why?

[Alisae]

If anyone would like to know if I am scumreading them, I would request that they ask in the form of the question: “is it me, Jesus?” while quoting the post where I said I was scumreading exactly one (1) person

That number may now be a soft two (2)

Let's pretend I understand this here.

Where's the newbie queue Melanque? He's more readable. Did I spell it right?

[Alisae]

VOTE: Iconeum

[Alisae]

@titus

[Alisae]

Maki is also a little bit scummy but not one of my two scumreads

what do you think is happening in this game

[Alisae]

Maki is also a little bit scummy but not one of my two scumreads

what do you think is happening in this game

I’m not sure I understand the question

Are you asking me for a gamestate read?

Yes, what is your interpretation of the gamestate

[Alisae]

Too early to say

acceptable

[Alisae]

oh, can i add character images to my posts too?

No.

delet this

(i can't figure out how to quickly rotate this without losing the transparent background fml)

pedit: ARE YOU KIDDING ME

hi do u have reads

[Alisae]

datisi probably randed scum in this game tbh

[Alisae]

I mean, she was town in furret game

[Alisae]

ya i think {Datisi Mena and Icon} is a good place to start looking for scum
i could see it being one of them atm

[Alisae]

Are you saying that you townread most of the other posters so far

yes

[Alisae]

Tomboy Daughter Reads

Maki Harukawa

- Classic Donnie is at it again. She's overcompensating here and trying to say she has nothing to fear if scum want to check her meta.

username

- He knows about the ToDa wincon but not this one? For most it'd be the other way around. Very daughterly.

Titus

- Look through her ISO. She hasn't even mentioned the Daughter once. She's terrified of talking about her because she

is

her.

-----------------

maxwell

- He agreed with my early strat of putting people we think are town on the checks to get clears. That's a terrible strat and outs Tommy, so he's never Tomboy here.

Hel

- She just seems so oblivious and lost, and she even said she wasn't ToDa. I don't think she'd lie if she was actually the Daughter.

why would you post this

he doesn't know pepelaugh

[Alisae]

I think it’s pretty bad that e’s townreading all other posters so far more

I don't think I specifically outed who I'm townreading, but I feel like I have a decent amount of townreads.
Why is it bad?

[Alisae]

Tomboy Daughter Reads

Maki Harukawa

- Classic Donnie is at it again. She's overcompensating here and trying to say she has nothing to fear if scum want to check her meta.

username

- He knows about the ToDa wincon but not this one? For most it'd be the other way around. Very daughterly.

Titus

- Look through her ISO. She hasn't even mentioned the Daughter once. She's terrified of talking about her because she

is

her.

-----------------

maxwell

- He agreed with my early strat of putting people we think are town on the checks to get clears. That's a terrible strat and outs Tommy, so he's never Tomboy here.

Hel

- She just seems so oblivious and lost, and she even said she wasn't ToDa. I don't think she'd lie if she was actually the Daughter.

Give me one town reason why you'd post this or I'm going to assume it was meant for the scum PT

HE DOESN'T KNOW PEPELAUGH

[Alisae]

Hel

I don't know who the hel you are

And I don't know if you know who I am


But don't ever, I mean ever, call my bluff

vote: Hel

[Alisae]

Pretty obvious who you are.

[Alisae]

it's gonna be one of those games isn't it




THANKS FAKEGOD YA GOT ME AGAIN

ONE OF THOSE GAMES

[Alisae]

I think username and umlaut are getting a little salty here cuz unlike the rest of us, they didn't install raid shadow legends and play through the tutorial

[Alisae]

Execute Norwegian

These thinly veiled lines of scum normally do x and town normally do y feel like a thought process that scum would try to make up. It's unlikely town just goes through that same line of thought over and over again.

I would like to think that I'm not terrible at reading Norwee.
I kind of think Norwee is town but I also think as the game gets longer the easier it actually becomes to read him.

I think it’s pretty bad that e’s townreading all other posters so far more

I don't think I specifically outed who I'm townreading, but I feel like I have a decent amount of townreads.
Why is it bad?

Because I don’t think we’ve done anything that should be out of the range for you to be unsure on us yet, so you suggesting there is a scum in that pool seems manipulative, especially when there are a number of people who haven’t posted and there are at least 2 people who I’d say are notably scummier than any of (me, dats, icon) so far

If you were someone else I’d say you’re maybe slightly +town for going after that group, but I don’t think scum!you would shy away from forcing a conflict with me (and might actively seek it out)

You haven't done anything townie or anything thats really scummy, I just have a good amount of townreads and with the more townreads i get, the higher it is likely that the group of {you, datisi, Icon} contains scum. It's not about who is scummier, but who is just not towny.

[Alisae]

Wait @Menalque I'm legit scumreading Dats, are you not? Want to talk about it?

I am not SRing dats and don’t see anything out of the normal for her early D1 play. I don’t think she’s abnormally timid at all really?

Idk I didn't feel any excitement from her about playing this game and when I poked her on that front she straight up acknowledged it wasn't there. Maybe this is egocentric but we've joked many times about wanting to finally win together as town and I'm not getting that vibe

lmao ya ur locktown
VOTE: datisi

[Alisae]

actually tbf u townspewed yourself in your first post @GL why am I surprised.

[Alisae]

Why was Moment a townping - that felt like TMI to me if Moment is actually town and if you're town I wanna know what you see in Moment

Also why did you describe Dragon as a "bs" townping

You just feel kinda timid and scared. If I'm wrong I'll hope to figure it out over time, just scumhunt around me

some things they did strike me as less often coming from scum - like saying they scumlean titus while voting norwee (ye ik implicit read etc etc) and lowkey refusing to properly explain their read on norwee, and sorting (like in 108) that uses ~mindmelds~, which is how i sometimes get townreads

is my moment read the only one that felt like tmi to you?

dragon is a bs townping because his ISO is 2 posts long and i'm aware dragon is perfectly capable of making those 2 posts as scum, but i'm still getting good vibes from him because ???

i mean, that is true, large games scare me

Whenever I read your posts I literally am just reading "sorry I randed scum"

[Alisae]

used to be, now i'm getting mislynched for Not Being Enthusiactic and Solving and Not Being Top Poster

probably need to get mislynched some 2-3 more times before the meta dies

While not being enthusiactic is part of it. I'm also not seeing the solving

[Alisae]

Wait no

Like

Let’s say 82.35% confident

why?

[Alisae]

Wait no

Like

Let’s say 82.35% confident

maybe

you

are pocketing

me

huh???

why and is there a reason for That Number

what's your read on mena?

[Alisae]

Hel why Username?
Mena ig I can kinda see but its better to keep an open mind about it and not lock it in.

[Alisae]

Wait no

Like

Let’s say 82.35% confident

why?

14/17

?

[Alisae]

If I had to have a townbloc around now it would probably be
{Norwee, Hel, GL, Maki, Moment, Titus}

[Alisae]

username is daughterly for not knowing about one of the scum wincons early - think that was genuine. And then the bravado in reacting to my excellent Tomboy Daughter reads I like - how often do you see scum make posts like 189.

Mena mainly because he's playing really differently to last I played with scum!him. Also, I kinda like him withholding his scumreads to see what they do before he reveals them.

oh right that slip ya I forgot about that.

[Alisae]

ok lets have username as town for now ig

[Alisae]

your posting in the open and mini theme are different compared to this game.

[Alisae]

actually now that i'm really thinking about
norwee could be town
but def not townlock material
too early for that.

If anything probably the same place as mena in a readlist maybe lower

the rest of the townbloc is good tho

[Alisae]

actually really thinking about it
i would not put mena in my townbloc
i would not put norwee in my townbloc
but i would put mena higher then norwee in my reads.

[Alisae]

ofc, can't have you catching me on page 12 now

[Alisae]

If I had to have a townbloc around now it would probably be
{Norwee, Hel, GL, Maki, Moment, Titus}

I could work with this. Not sure about GL but I don't have a scumread there either. It's got solid emotional, logic, shitposting. It lacks a stronger leader but maybe I can after RL fades.

I have GL confidently labelled as town.
His first post was pretty good and his Datisi read feels like its coming from town

[Alisae]

I think GL and ali are both scum, or if not I think there is likely one scum in there

dam, if you just wanted in on the townbloc all you gotta do is say

[Alisae]

i read 299
i know mena is wrong because i know im town
but even if i was not one of those 2 slots and i was a slot like say titus or someone outside mena, gl, me
i would still be able to look at that post and say that you're wrong and likely town
and i'm able to do this because i see and understand that you want to be right

[Alisae]

Why the tiger, Menalque?

I felt like his opening post was very out of character for him and made me feel like he really wants to be perceived as town in a way I wouldn’t normally say he does

And I think his datisi take was bad and lazy and I dislike him doubling down on it instead of easing up once he spoke to me about it

I don't think you said anything that really addressed his concerns.

[Alisae]

Alright so.
I want to execute Menalque because I have no idea how to read him and that in turn interferes with all my other reads. I'm probably scumreading him I think? But also he said in the dead thread last game we were in together that he does scummy things on purpose to make them not scummy. So yeah, I haven't figured out how to read him, and him interacting with people then makes it hard for me to read them, so I have to have him dead to read the rest of the game.

I hope that makes some kind of sense.
VOTE: Execute Menalque
VOTE: Ship Copper
VOTE: Inspect Linen

Have you considered just pretending Mena is not in the game?
Do you have anything else to contribute?

[Alisae]

Also to anyone else
Is it weird that I find RR’s post scummy, because I feel like its weird to immediately post something like that as your first post in the game
I have literally not see anyone enter the thread like that as their first post so its weird.

[Alisae]

I did have other things to contribute, but shit happened IRL and I forgot. I'll probably have to read the game again later tbh.

WOW ok

[Alisae]

VOTE: Radical Rat

[Alisae]

scum wouldnt make dumb posts like that one hes prob town

I do have a tendency to HATE something that may not exactly be scum indicative.
Though I’d feel like the expectations I have for him are low.

[Alisae]

Ya maybe I’ll pulling the trigger too early
UNVOTE:
I’ll at least let him answer my questions ig

[Alisae]

I did have other things to contribute, but shit happened IRL and I forgot. I'll probably have to read the game again later tbh.

WOW ok

I honestly don't understand what problem you have with this?

because the only thing he talked about was mena and I’m not sure how thats the only thing you can remember and pay attention to but also not remember anything else

[Alisae]

Unvoting doesn't actually answer the question of what problem you have with it

chill i didn’t see ur post

[Alisae]

Ill forgive you if you clown username with me

thats fine i don’t need ur forgiveness atm

[Alisae]

I vaguely remember you scumreading icon. Why? I dont think they even really posted anything outside of RVS

mostly because i started to form some townreads and not really any scumreads and gut

[Alisae]

I vaguely remember you scumreading icon. Why? I dont think they even really posted anything outside of RVS

mostly because i started to form some townreads and not really any scumreads and gut

what it mostly comes down to is with most of the people who did post I really didn’t think they posted anything that was terrible, it mostly all seemed fine for now and considering its early game

[Alisae]

Hey worm I think youre town too the invitations open to you as well

Yall really cant read usernames "anger" and think that shits real, right

I literally talk about

my role

the TD in like every post ive made and im pretty sure he hasnt commented on it once, its 100% scum looking busy

pedit-

Thats fair. Why not NK15 who had done literally the same thing up until that point?

I don’t know NK15 and I know Iconeum

[Alisae]

Also i maybe expect iconeum to post just a tiny bit more then what he did
Just a tiny bit
Maybe a gif

[Alisae]

Why thank you notty

[Alisae]

Tell you what,
I appreciate the chamomile.
My current opinion of username is “town cuz townslip hurdur”and I’m mostly just sheeping Hel

You said you felt like their anger was faked?
I’ll open up the ISO and take a look and try to form my own opinion.

[Alisae]

Okay so this is a fakegod setup which means there's slim to no chance of finding a breaking strategy


I'm usually the first to object to denying tribute to the blood gods on day one but what if we no-execute and send out shipments / shipment check And work off that on day 2?

Reduces our risk of outting / killing the tomboy on day one. There's no night kill, and then we have a jumping off point tomorrow.

If at end of Day 5, there are at least 2 Smugglers alive, then Smugglers win.

Disregard my last post, I'm illiterate

This actually feels kind of weird now that I’m thinking about it.
The actual first thought that came to my head was that he’s maybe baiting reactions.
I’m not sure who this is or if they would do this, but I definitely should NOT be going “townslip hur dur must be town”

[Alisae]

Okay so this is a fakegod setup which means there's slim to no chance of finding a breaking strategy


I'm usually the first to object to denying tribute to the blood gods on day one but what if we no-execute and send out shipments / shipment check And work off that on day 2?

Reduces our risk of outting / killing the tomboy on day one. There's no night kill, and then we have a jumping off point tomorrow.

If at end of Day 5, there are at least 2 Smugglers alive, then Smugglers win.

Disregard my last post, I'm illiterate

This actually feels kind of weird now that I’m thinking about it.
The actual first thought that came to my head was that he’s maybe baiting reactions.
I’m not sure who this is or if they would do this, but I definitely should NOT be going “townslip hur dur must be town”

It still looks pretty townslippy to me. But I confess I didn't fully understand the setup when the game started (which is kind of unusual for me but I've been getting lazier about that) and I didn't recall that either when I was trying to evaluate the plan.

I know when I feel like I’ve come up with a strategy like that, I would need to get told by someone else “hey, thats not actually how this setup works” see Donnie Brasco. It honestly feels more planned then a townslip.

[Alisae]

Notty why do you feel like the anger is faked?

[Alisae]

I’m not sure who this is or if they would do this, but I definitely should NOT be going “townslip hur dur must be town”

if you disrespect me as a person for two seconds enough to think i'd try to coast on a page whatever townslip then boy am i disappointed in you

Don’t be disappointed in me I’m just sheep Hel

[Alisae]

like how in the name of everything fucking holy do i get accused of being angry when i haven't even told anyone to fuck themselves or called anyone an inbred pig fucker


can't i have one fucking game, one alt where nobody tries to see if they can piss me off just because it's funny or because they want me banned or whatever jesus christ

Cause you curse
A lot
And also throw in phrases of like “inbred pig fucker” in your posts

[Alisae]

We’re not trying to piss you off.
If you’re not being angry, then its possible you’re just being misunderstood

[Alisae]

like how in the name of everything fucking holy do i get accused of being angry when i haven't even told anyone to fuck themselves or called anyone an inbred pig fucker


can't i have one fucking game, one alt where nobody tries to see if they can piss me off just because it's funny or because they want me banned or whatever jesus christ

Cause you curse
A lot
And also throw in phrases of like “inbred pig fucker” in your posts

oh no i curse clearly that means i'm just raging nonstop

My tiny brain is confused

Pedit: ok I’m sorry i can’t speak for notty nvm plz don’t call me an inbred pig fucker

[Alisae]

Like I don’t even get this over the top reaction right now you went from “I’m being baited” to posting about how it’s me intentionally needling you when I’m saying your tone reads forced

Pedit
That’s rude as fuck I don’t even know who you are

I’m literally trying to explain what I didn’t like about you because I was asked and you’re here going off about how awful I am

i'm fucking kuribo


i thought that was real fucking obvious dude

I didn’t make you out to be the person who alts in games.

[Alisae]

I didn’t make you out to be the person who alts in games.

i fucking don't, but after my meltdowns in team mafia i decided i wanted to create an alt, try a new playstyle, maybe be more tranquilo



welp that's ruined now

I understand that. Did you have any plans as to how you were actually going to do that?

[Alisae]

I actually find that sometimes when I play, my emotions can cloud my gameplay as well sometimes.
What’s the best thing I should do when I’m interacting with you in game and you get angry?

[Alisae]

Oh, I think I know who username is

lol

[Alisae]

@Radical Rat why did you vote to inspect Linen

[Alisae]

Also why do you plan on shipping Copper?

[Alisae]

oh boy I sure do love being forced to do what other people want

[Alisae]

ya know what I hate about this the most
the fact that I have to wait until 1-2 days before deadline to finally end the day
i hate people who delay teh day phase as long as possible
i genuinely do

[Alisae]

LeTs UsE aS mUcH aS tHe DeAdLiNe As PoSsiBlE.
We HaVe To UsE aLl Of ThE tImE GiVeN tO uS tO mAkE tHe BeSt DeCiSsIoN pOsSiBlE.

[Alisae]

actually kill me

[Alisae]

I can't believe I waited for a fun game to pop up to then have it be ruined by someone telling me who to lynch

[Alisae]

I EVEN SAID THE L WORD

[Alisae]

Actually, I think I have 0 intention of going along with NK’s plan

Alternative plan that is actually fun and still avoids killing the TD by accident: we vote people up to L-2 after which people can place a “faux vote” (I propose using hurt tags)

The first person to get to 9 is “executed” and we repeat the process until another player is “lynched”. NK gets to choose between the two as to who we really execute

it doesn't change the fact that the way I was thinking of playing this game is now ruined due to the claim.

I was genuinely looking forward into plugging in theories about how was Port Auth and who was the Daughter.

Not to mention Port Auth is so much more effective if they don't claim like HOLY

[Alisae]

In fact,
Here @NK15

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=125

Go get yourself an anime avatar UwU.

linking speakeasy outside of the site isn't something you should do.
Its considered a private forum.

[Alisae]

Because I think there's probably going to be at least one scum that doesn't bother to switch their merchandise.

why do you want to try to get a guilty > try to get a bunch if innos

[Alisae]

We shouldn't try to get a "bunch" of innos because then it limits the pool for scum as to the whereabouts of the tomboy daughter.

Hey Norwee
have you thought about not answering questions that were not directed towards you >_>

[Alisae]

I'm malding

[Alisae]

mena I think you should just sleep regardless

[Alisae]

ah man i sure do hope norwee didn't influence your answer!

[Alisae]

Also also, I'm a bit confused about Datisi. Listed pronoun is He, but everyone who seems to know Datisi is using she? Which one should I be using?

you don't know him so you should use him.
Me and Mena are friends with datisi and they're okay with us using she pronouns.

[Alisae]

Yeah Radical Rat is probably town

[Alisae]

Waking up will play eventually

[Alisae]

ya i don't feel like playing mafia today i'll play tomorrow

[Alisae]

is the "something" referring to anything speciifc here or?

Ya its his post

--

how is this scum!indicative for ico?

idunno i just thought he would post more at start of RVS or somethin

--

Yes we can do the alternative lynching plan. And now

go and scumhunt people. I still need your reads (and your votes).

cool ig

--

Hot take- nk is lying scum and intends to actively lurk

KEKW

--

I don't like EE being wagoned here. He's not defensive enough to be scum IMO. It's a meta read which is blah but it's better than most anything else on day 1.

I feel like the best way to read Norwee is by looking at his reads and the gamestate to see how much they line up, as well as to press him on his reasoning for why he takes stances when he does take certain stances. If it feels opportunistic and feels like what scum would do, its probably scum.

--

I specifically want Ali to comment on the problem I see with NK claiming early and how it screws up town dynamics.

it was this right

Ok. The PA claiming here (which I suppose is real, otherwise the real one would CC and we net a scum) is not a good thing for town in the long run. Townreads now must self sensor. It's not enough just to suspect someone is scum but that read must also get past NK15 gatekeeping.

This would be ok if NK 15 only had to block one lynch but he cannot do that without screaming someone is the TD.

So we're left with halfbaked plans of trying to force two wagons on day 1 just to have disagreement to cover NK's tracks.


All of this interrupts innate scumhunting. It also makes VCA meaningless. Why would anyone feel threatened before a second wagon unless NK explicitly endorses it is ok?

I'm not sure what exactly you want me to comment on.
The way I see it, I feel like, its problematic because the way the setup I feel like was meant to be played, PA and TD were supposed to be hidden until a certain point that I don't know when that is, and the PA is supposed to lead us away from the TD w/o revealing who they are.

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He wasn't part of T v A and didn't see how someone being conftown and in control of lynches (despite trying not to) impacts the game. The less controlling I was, the better town did. So the dual lynch thing might be the best we have, but it's still a problem.

Ya if only NK15 was as smart and as good as you. Maybe he'd even have an avatar.

--

I really hate that claim (that big bold "

Enough

" is really lame) and how NK15 has basically excused himself from playing the game, but I may as well provisionally accept it since it gets confirmed tomorrow anyway.

Scattered thoughts:

• I think we all agree Menalque is town.
  
• I've decided Radical Rat is town as well; his gamesolving attempts seem to come from a town place (though also seem a bit like cat-herding; his plan in 460 requires close to unanimous agreement to be workable)
  
• I agree with the arguments that username tone-slipping so quickly is probably a towntell.
  
• notscience' vocal suspicion of the NK claim is weird and pings me
  
• I kind of agree with 493 but given the cat is out of the bag we have to make the best of it.
  
• I think there's a high probability there is at least one smuggler in those who haven't posted since NK15 outed. (Which is six players so that's not a hugely impressive deduction I guess)

VOTE: notscience

reasoning to vote notty is bad here.

--

I need to think more.

I'm starting to question why i signed up to a game that requires thinking.

Ah yes
thinking is too hard for u i see KEKW

[Alisae]

Tentative scumteam guess: notscience/Hel/Moment.

I like those spicy reads.
In fact i don’t really like this slot. I think they’re trying to fake a "lolmeme" playstyle.

Vote Execute Hel

If Hel is who I believe she is (maybe someone can confirm this for me), lolmeme is NAI for her. That said I'm not feeling great about the slot either and it's hard to really put my finger on what's different about it. Can you try and say what exactly you find fake about the playstyle in this case?

@Hel

It would be helpful to get a readlist from you.

You can have a naked one if you'd like.

Not Known 15
username
Alisae
Menalque
Titus
notscience
Maki Harukawa
Moment
Datisi
Umlaut
Radical Rat
Iconeum
Something_Smart
maxwell
GuiltyLion
Hel
NorwegianboyEE

GuiltyLion dropped down because I think he'd be more involved at this point as town - based on his own self-meta that came from town!him.

ok but its the 4th of july for us americans.
Also I know GL as the person who sometimes needs a prod to come back into the game.

[Alisae]

ok lets kill umlaut
VOTE: umlaut

[Alisae]

I actually find that sometimes when I play, my emotions can cloud my gameplay as well sometimes.
What’s the best thing I should do when I’m interacting with you in game and you get angry?

@Username

please answer this.

[Alisae]

don't remember
right now
probably town

[Alisae]

yoink?

~

don't remember
right now
probably town

that's the opposite of what
it was before
can you elaborate

u started scumhunting
i like that

[Alisae]

notty vote bad
titus vote bad

[Alisae]

norwee what the fuck are you doing?

[Alisae]

do u even have reads

[Alisae]

have you installed raid shadow legends and played through the tutorial yet?
That'll definitely help you for sure

[Alisae]

i think he went to go install raid shadow legends and play through the tutorial
im proud of him

[Alisae]

notscience is town and username is wrong

^

[Alisae]

norwee did not confirm or deny if he installed raid shadow legends and played the tutorial
this greatly upsets me

[Alisae]

this greatly upsets me

[Alisae]

i am so the youngins call it "malding" right now

[Alisae]

yoink?

~

don't remember
right now
probably town

that's the opposite of what
it was before
can you elaborate

u started scumhunting
i like that

when?

I saw ? in her posts and they looked like scumhunting
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Alisae]

they call me LS because I have Low Standards

[Alisae]

they call me LS because I have Low Standards

obviously its not something im very attached to

[Alisae]

mena if it makes your life better
i only get easier to read from here

[Alisae]

Alisae, it's like you're good at scum hunting, but at some point you townread scummy individuals for something completely pointless.

Waifu upick: You no longer hard scumread scum!Bitmap because he used caps lock in an argument with you.

Fusion mafia: You townread scum!me because i called you annoying and townread you at the same time and apparently you believed "scum can't do those things."

This game: You ease your scumreading of Datisi because you found a question mark in their posts...???

wow sounds like a towntell

[Alisae]

wait fusion mafia
wait i don't remember this game
hold on

[Alisae]

silly norwee i wasn't even in fusion

[Alisae]

if u installed raid shadow legends and played the tutorial even you would remember that

[Alisae]

mena if it makes your life better
i only get easier to read from here

I mean I’m not really interested in lynching you on D1 so yeah I hope so

Also I’m aware that the only game I think I have played with you where you weren’t an IC I (incorrectly) hard scumread you all day

i played with u on my furret alt

[Alisae]

wait fusion mafia
wait i don't remember this game
hold on

Ops, i meant another game.
Uhhh, NSG's nightless i think it was.

i scumread u at the end of the day so that doesn't matter

[Alisae]

That’s the game I’m talking about

u hard tunneled me?
only thing i remember is trolling noms

[Alisae]

oh and also losing to skitter
that too

[Alisae]

well norwee if u ever scumread me in this game then you must be scum

[Alisae]

well norwee if u ever scumread me in this game then you must be scum

Noted. I will only pocket you from now on.

ur learning

[Alisae]

mena if it makes u feel better, i am currently reading you as town because from what I saw from you in the furret game I modded as well as the game we were hydraing together ur reads have the same feeling compared to this game

its hard to explain

[Alisae]

I feel very much like this could be you being coasting scum instead of power wolfing scum @ali because I think you know it’s fairly unlikely you’re lynched D1 especially given that like 3 to 4 strong players are TRing you and so there’s no incentive for you to play yet

Alternatively you could just be coasty town who isn’t invested yet

as scum im good early but fall off late
as town im bad early but scale well into the late game

[Alisae]

I think you both are quite easy to read for me at this point tbh, and i'm ready to just settle on both of you being town.
If C9++ and that newbie game i had with Mena are any indication then he is lazy as scum. Here he actually efforts.
Alisae mostly agenda posts as scum, not what they're doing here.

jezz its scary how quickly ur learning to read me >_<

[Alisae]

good
my intimidation tactics are working

[Alisae]

maybe you should channel that energy into this game so you could win this towngame >_>

[Alisae]

mena don't get ahead of yourself
u still got a lot to learn and if I can figure out you were scum by the end of d1 in TM then you still got a ways to go

[Alisae]

Maki did have a point and I’m already at 125 posts

who cares

[Alisae]

oh do not underestimate my ability to kill someone
i am very comptent at lynching people i will have u know

[Alisae]

mena i will find u when u rand scum
and i will make sure u lose the game

[Alisae]

do not underestimate my threats or i will shove you under a table

[Alisae]

ok
why are people reading maki as town
i'm not sure I should be going that far atm, I kind of want a bit more from her

[Alisae]

I saw people voting for a "clown" and I guess I just couldn't see a better option.

My avatar may be clownpiece, an hell fairy subordinate to the Goddess of Hell. But that's no reason to discriminate!

[Alisae]

I think i know who you are Hel, but i won’t guess since i assume you want it to remain hidden.

i mean even if you know who an alt is, you probably shouldn't out it period

[Alisae]

i mean in general you shouldn't ever really out an alt for no reason unless its public

[Alisae]

I didn't enter the newbie queue because the players there looked intimidating.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Iconeum

Thanks for scumclaiming. I'm not moving my vote until Ico or I is dead.

oh is ico actually scum?

[Alisae]

KEKW

[Alisae]

Ur mysteriously shitposty

[Alisae]

BTW I’m ok killing off icon ig

[Alisae]

BTW I’m ok killing off icon ig

ali pls no

You were catching up but instead of posting something new from your catch up and continuing to read up you give me a response that’s almost immediately after i posted it

[Alisae]

You last responded to a post that was within the 400s.
Alright
I’ll stay up a bit longer to see ur concluding thoughts

[Alisae]

fun fact: i have 2 tabs open

1 for reading the game
and a 2nd for live interaction because i love to do that a LOT more then catching up

is this a normal thing for u

[Alisae]

What do u think about Titus

[Alisae]

Y do you not believe Nk15’s claim?

[Alisae]

His claim is the only serious one and no one has CC’d him.

[Alisae]

sounds great
I will now go to sleep

[Alisae]

What a clown fiesta
I’ll read up later

[Alisae]

So like
We always kill off NK15 here right
we can’t possibly keep him alive after that claim and wolves probably got a lot of information as to who is a merchant now

[Alisae]

I read up and it was a blur
I’ma need a votecount before I place my vote

[Alisae]

Mena what’s your towncore?

[Alisae]

ok
why are people reading maki as town
i'm not sure I should be going that far atm, I kind of want a bit more from her

Btw did anyone give me a response to this?
If so just link it.

[Alisae]

Umlaut is shipping linen big sad

[Alisae]

Inspect Linen
Ship Copper

[Alisae]

VOTE: NK15

[Alisae]

Oh you have a read on SS?
Tell me about it
I haven’t read a single one of their posts

[Alisae]

Alisae smells.

LOOK
You just post very long posts and when I wake up I tend to skim past those
Its nothing personal

[Alisae]

Y u bully me ;~;

[Alisae]

simon says notty smells

[Alisae]

This game is a loss

[Alisae]

Uh hi whats going on?

[Alisae]

i am so bored

[Alisae]

this game is boring

[Alisae]

I wouldn't mind being allowed to lurk until late game

[Alisae]

like voting maki just feels so cheep
she didn't even do anything that's even AI yet

[Alisae]

ugggggggh
VOTE: maki

[Alisae]

idunno what this flips, my guess is town considering her recent posts? That's just my gut feeling but I honestly think she hasn't posted anything thats AI and she's so much easier to read later into the game but game's lost anyways.

[Alisae]

titus this game suxs

[Alisae]

can we execute you or nk15 instead of maki?
you outed a terrible read on titus and I don't have to say why wagoning NK15 is bad, but I feel like when he has to lecture iconeum about mechanics it makes things even worse then they already are.

[Alisae]

can we execute you or nk15 instead of maki?
you outed a terrible read on titus and I don't have to say why wagoning NK15 isn't a bad idea, but I feel like when he has to lecture iconeum about mechanics it makes things even worse then they already are.

editted

[Alisae]

i wasn't asking you

[Alisae]

it wasn't forced iconeum

[Alisae]

assuming NK15 is actually town, you had the perfect cover to just do ur thing. No one had eyes on you, no one would have thought you were the PA, and its the job of the merchants into tricking wolves into thinking they're something that they're not.

[Alisae]

you never had to claim

[Alisae]

you only needed to counterclaim if you were 100% on NK15 being scum.
and you're not even that because you're not even executing him today

[Alisae]

now we're stuck with a PA who doesn't know how to properly provide cover and doesn't know how to play his role in the day phase.
game is doomed!

[Alisae]

Like
you LITERALLY
have a game mechanic you can use to figure out if NK15 was scum or not.

[Alisae]

whatever its fine
its fine
things are fine and things are gonna be okay!!!!!!!!!

if you don't mind me I'll just lurk out until late game ig

[Alisae]

that's great I'll be AFK

[Alisae]

@Iconeum

- It seems like you felt like you didn't really have control over the situation.

[Alisae]

@Iconeum

- It seems like you felt like you didn't really have control over the situation.

Story of my life, literally

How am I supposed to enjoy the game when my vote is being forced onto something that I'm not even sure is scum?

[Alisae]

How am I supposed to feel okay voting Maki when I don't want to be voting this slot and have other reads that I feel more strongly about being scum then Maki

[Alisae]

How am I supposed to feel okay voting Maki when I don't want to be voting this slot and have other reads that I feel more strongly about being scum then Maki

it will be very important on Day 2

How am I supposed to feel okay with lynching the day 1 lynch for something being very important for day 2 when I don't get how its important for day 2?

[Alisae]

UNVOTE:
no hammer yet

[Alisae]

I like this maxwell post
VOTE: maxwell

[Alisae]

WAIT NO WRONG VOTE IM SORRY
VOTE: moment

[Alisae]

What did I tell ya guys. This is why I had utmost confidence in that pool.

Let's investigate a new group of 3 while lynching notscience.

[Norwee, Umlaut, maxwell] ?

i like this pool

[Alisae]

icon not revealing himself was likely dumb and him not knowing tbh

[Alisae]

I wouldn't be surprised
we have a PA who doesn't know how to think mechanics through

[Alisae]

It's in the role PM.

it is?
tell me where it is in there

[Alisae]

RR you're spewing yourself NOT TD btw

[Alisae]

its fairly easy to miss

[Alisae]

you also don't understand how bad icon is with mechanics
we quite possibly have the worst PA roll we could have possibly got.

[Alisae]

I still don't see a reason Ico needs to confirm itself as PA

is there a reason not to?

[Alisae]

Inform me GL of those benefits because I don’t exactly see a reason not to do it.

[Alisae]

Inform me GL of those benefits because I don’t exactly see a reason not to do it.

think about it until you get it

if ur just gonna tell me this then don't tell me because i don't feel like using my brain to figure it out and i don't really care tbh

[Alisae]

why is notty scum again?
because of username?
is that it?

[Alisae]

sorry I'm sheeping Maxwell here, I agree with his take on moment way more then the notty takes

[Alisae]

also I can see Titus being scum here she's using VCA a bit too frequently because she thinks that people expect VCA from her in her townplay, which is something that she doesn't do as often as she thinks she does it.
like the notty take is just bad here.

[Alisae]

why is notty scum again?
because of username?
is that it?

It was partly that, partly a general lack of feeling like his posting was coming from town. But a lot of it rn is that I think datisi and moment both had much townier D1s and there is confirmed scum in those 3

maxwell's post on moment is pretty good ngl

[Alisae]

Norwee randed scum again got it

[Alisae]

Is it a tonal thing or what, Alisae?

reads tho its under the assumption moment flips scum

[Alisae]

Datisi's lurking?
Ok norwee could be town ig
Datisi Lurking probably means she's scum