Smuggler's Port [Game Over]

[Datisi]

Change Shipment: Wheat

let's get this bread

Execute: Iconeum

iCoNiC dAy 1

LyNcH

ExEcUtIoN

[Datisi]

hardclaim port authority

datisi is the tomboy daughter

Spoiler:

are you saying you're my daddy? ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)

i'm sorry

[Datisi]

hi he(ctic)l, thanks for helping me

[Datisi]

mena no this isn't the super secret port authority tomboy daughter mason pt

[Datisi]

VOTE: Norwegianboy
[snip]
Early scumlean on Titus.

~

Datisi are you excited to play?? You don't

feel

excited to play

considering i spent the last ~2.5 hours doing tedious chores, not really

~

hardclaim port authority

datisi is the tomboy daughter

Ship: linen

Vote: Iconeum

for an

iconic

D1 execution![/b]

this is literally menalque's town meta

yes

i remember the darkness of that game

err

which

one

pedit: oh the mason one right

[Datisi]

VOTE: Norwegianboy
[snip]
Early scumlean on Titus.

I assumed the read on Norwegian was implicit with the vote.

in retrospect it should have been

i was gonna ask you about it, but considering 113

~

I didn't like Moment at first. But the fact that they said they were "happy with their vote" makes me think they're town again.

do you like when people scumread you or?

[Datisi]

oh, can i add character images to my posts too? (darn the empty space on top...)

[Datisi]

oh, can i add character images to my posts too?

No.

delet this

(i can't figure out how to quickly rotate this without losing the transparent background fml)

pedit: ARE YOU KIDDING ME

[Datisi]

hi do u have reads

hi sure

early townpings on mena/norwee/moment/titus and a bs townping on dragon

~

ok i'll bite

Fun fact: I am scumreading exactly one (1) person who has posted so far

is it me, jesus?

[Datisi]

I agree that it's unlikely to be faked, but I disagree that it necessarily comes from town.

At a baseline I would agree. From Alisae I don't know.

are you talking about 95?

[Datisi]

and meanwhile i'm wondering how the hell was i the first person to ping hel as toda but not even make it on the list

hel, how ~serious~ are posts/accusations like 202?

[Datisi]

do you wanna talk about it, GL?

[Datisi]

Why was Moment a townping - that felt like TMI to me if Moment is actually town and if you're town I wanna know what you see in Moment

Also why did you describe Dragon as a "bs" townping

You just feel kinda timid and scared. If I'm wrong I'll hope to figure it out over time, just scumhunt around me

some things they did strike me as less often coming from scum - like saying they scumlean titus while voting norwee (ye ik implicit read etc etc) and lowkey refusing to properly explain their read on norwee, and sorting (like in 108) that uses ~mindmelds~, which is how i sometimes get townreads

is my moment read the only one that felt like tmi to you?

dragon is a bs townping because his ISO is 2 posts long and i'm aware dragon is perfectly capable of making those 2 posts as scum, but i'm still getting good vibes from him because ???

i mean, that is true, large games scare me

[Datisi]

hel, how ~serious~ are posts/accusations like 202?

Very serious. I'm paranoid and trying to stay out of the limelight but username isn't helping.

(/s)

(/s)

I agree with 213 because cognitive load is a thing for scum, but also 216 for the way Norwee worded it. Scum-indicative sure, but "Likely scum" is stretching it.

so uhhh

what

is

your read on username/norwee?

[Datisi]

Is excitement AI from Datisi?

used to be, now i'm getting mislynched for Not Being Enthusiactic and Solving and Not Being Top Poster

probably need to get mislynched some 2-3 more times before the meta dies

The only thing worrying me at all about datisi is her not calling me scum yet but I’m going to tell myself that’s because we’re past that stage and not because she’s pocketing me

ok melan

[Datisi]

Datisi are you excited to play?? You don't

feel

excited to play

considering i spent the last ~2.5 hours doing tedious chores, not really

I know this is a weird read, but this felt like a strange excuse for not being excited to play the game.

Like, if it was Hel:

>Do chores for 2.5 hours
>Very tedious
>Done with chores
>Can finally get into that online mafia forum words game
>Exciting!

but that's me and Datisi is a different human being person

read the timestamps my dude, it was more like
> scrub the filthy fuckin shower for 10 minutes
> okay i will take a 30 second break to read the game
> fuck me more scrubbing the filthy shower
> ...
> why did i spend two hours cleaning the bathroom i wanna go sleep

[Datisi]

I am cyrus62.

mafi groon?

[Datisi]

Wait no

Like

Let’s say 82.35% confident

maybe

you

are pocketing

me

huh???

why and is there a reason for That Number

[Datisi]

why and is there a reason for That Number

disregard this i figured it out lmao

pedit: early town, as i said.

[Datisi]

inb4 scumslip it should be 13/16 from town pov

[Datisi]

As for Datisi, why would doubling down on it indicate scum!GL to you? Especially after I explicitly asked you to consider my view? I think Datisi's scum, if that was a made up belief I'd be

more

likely to ease up on it, not less.

you think scum!GL is more likely to backtrack there? also, i responded to you in 228, would you mind addressing that?

~

scum wouldnt make dumb posts like that one hes prob town

I do have a tendency to HATE something that may not exactly be scum indicative.
Though I’d feel like the expectations I have for him are low.

is the "something" referring to anything speciifc here or?

Also i maybe expect iconeum to post just a tiny bit more then what he did
Just a tiny bit
Maybe a gif

how is this scum!indicative for ico?

Spoiler:

Okay so this is a fakegod setup which means there's slim to no chance of finding a breaking strategy


I'm usually the first to object to denying tribute to the blood gods on day one but what if we no-execute and send out shipments / shipment check And work off that on day 2?

Reduces our risk of outting / killing the tomboy on day one. There's no night kill, and then we have a jumping off point tomorrow.

If at end of Day 5, there are at least 2 Smugglers alive, then Smugglers win.

Disregard my last post, I'm illiterate

This actually feels kind of weird now that I’m thinking about it.
The actual first thought that came to my head was that he’s maybe baiting reactions.
I’m not sure who this is or if they would do this, but I definitely should NOT be going “townslip hur dur must be town”

It still looks pretty townslippy to me. But I confess I didn't fully understand the setup when the game started (which is kind of unusual for me but I've been getting lazier about that) and I didn't recall that either when I was trying to evaluate the plan.

I know when I feel like I’ve come up with a strategy like that, I would need to get told by someone else “hey, thats not actually how this setup works” see Donnie Brasco. It honestly feels more planned then a townslip.

what did you mean here? i don't get what this has to do with donnie brasco exactly?

~

can i just skip page 15

~

(2) I think a full half the game’s we’ve played have been non-traditional mafia setups and you opened like this in none of them

which games were these?

Dats - town
[snip]

I think I’m most confident on datisi of everyone

the 14/17 thing was a joke then?

~

2-1days before deadline I vote someone and you comply.
I`ll leave the shipments to you because I don`t want to out the TD(so you still have to do something).
I can`t help you much in developing reads but I might occasionally ask questions if I think its needed, or reinforce questions going unanswered(probably mainly the latter).
Good luck.

this translates to "i won't be doing jack shit, i will decide who we execute, and you all have to go with it"?
...
ok new plan we execute the port authority

~

maxwell, what's your read on me?

~

Because I think there's probably going to be at least one scum that doesn't bother to switch their merchandise.

saying this aloud because...?

Though for what it's worth I do actually think I was wrong and you are Town for less WIFOM reasons now. Prove me right, k?

what are the less WIFOM reasons?

[Datisi]

why'd that shitty wallpost take like an hour, sigh

Also also, I'm a bit confused about Datisi. Listed pronoun is He, but everyone who seems to know Datisi is using she? Which one should I be using?

you don't know him so you should use him.
Me and Mena are friends with datisi and they're okay with us using she pronouns.

i appreciate this btw

@RR, anything other than it is fine

[Datisi]

Because I think there's probably going to be at least one scum that doesn't bother to switch their merchandise.

saying this aloud because...?

Because I was asked why I was inspecting Linen, and that's the reason?

i guess my issue is that if you announce that "at least one scum probably won't bother to switch from Linen", that's kinda an announcement to said scum, no?

Though for what it's worth I do actually think I was wrong and you are Town for less WIFOM reasons now. Prove me right, k?

what are the less WIFOM reasons?

Having an actual Port Authority claim makes me feel more at ease with all the memeing

, and though I do maintain NK15 shouldn't have claimed, here we are.
I like his proposed alternative plan to NK's, and scum doesn't really have much motivation to try to argue with a plan that would probably lead to exploitable Town apathy, especially not when doing so involves challenging an IC.

There were a couple of other recent posts I liked as well, and I think Town really needs to present a unified front in this game, so I'm fine letting him be Town unless he does something else that raises scum flags.

err, why? like, (unless mena and nk15 are scum together and this is an elaborate galaxy brain gambit, but for the sake of my sanity let's say it's not) mena - regardless of his alignment - had no way of knowing the PA was going to claim. i don't get why the claim has an effect on your read of the memeing?

[Datisi]

Honestly, I don't know myself. I guess it just gives me peace of mind that it probably WAS just a meaningless joke, and not either the literal worst possible move for Town to make or a crazy scumstrat made to look like that.

if it were a crazy scumstart, how'd you expect mena to act once the Real PA came out?

~

i think this situation with the PA claiming early reminds me of a normal where two town neighbors fakeclaimed masons - while on paper it sounded good (drawing in the nk, which they did do), in practice it created enough confusion/"blockage" (especially given there was an

actual

mason pair...) it ended up being anti-town in the long run

~

I disagree because now NK 15's reads are placed above that of town. What if NK 15 gets agency captured?

what is agency capturing?

~

unless mena and nk15 are scum together and this is an elaborate galaxy brain gambit

for the sake of my sanity let's say it's not

which games were these?

Nomination; GnR III; a newbie I’m pretty sure; normal 2119

I would consider both nomination and GnR to be weird setup games, although tbf he was scum in nomination

oh hey that cursed game

i will look at that

... Later(tm)

~

Scattered thoughts:

• I think we all agree Menalque is town.
  
• I've decided Radical Rat is town as well; his gamesolving attempts seem to come from a town place (though also seem a bit like cat-herding; his plan in 460 requires close to unanimous agreement to be workable)

literally half a page before this post Maki is voting to execute Mena?

can you elaborate on the RR read and wdym by cat-herding?

~

I'm starting to question why i signed up to a game that requires thinking.

~

norwee, the only game we played in was that (goddamn bullshit) newbie game where i was a mason, right?

[Datisi]

norwee, the only game we played in was that (goddamn bullshit) newbie game where i was a mason, right?

Uhhh. I think it’s the only one barring ones where you were in a hydra, yes.

tbf i'm not exactly counting the bastard large theme (and i see you're using plural "ones" so sorry if i'm forgetting any other game)

i'm trying to think of a semi-intelligent way to phrase "can you talk/elaborate on that metaread" but i can't think of it so

~

if it were a crazy scumstart, how'd you expect mena to act once the Real PA came out?

Doubling down on a suicidal counterclaim. Removing the PA also removes the TD's only real protection, and while it would make her harder to identify, if NK15 holds true to not really playing except to approve executions, he probably wouldn't help much anyway.

So then the TD is available to misclown and win that way, and after Menalque flips scum, you'd probably get pushed as his partner. Not sure if the execution would actually happen or not, but I think this rabbit hole is deep enough as it is.

except removing the PA that way wouldn't work? in fakeclaiming!scum!mena world, i'd go "i'm not the TD to mena" and he dies today. and even if not, the PA has the ability to confirm themself via mod. we just put off the execution for tomorrow.

[Datisi]

i think this situation with the PA claiming early reminds me of a normal where two town neighbors fakeclaimed masons - while on paper it sounded good (drawing in the nk, which they did do), in practice it created enough confusion/"blockage" (especially given there was an actual mason pair...) it ended up being anti-town in the long run

I think I recall a normal like that myself!

How does this remind you of that, though (assuming you're talking about Menalque's 'claim' here)? Did you think he intended to be taken seriously, and did you think he expected you to go along with it?

wrong assumption, i'm talking about nk15's claim. sounds good on paper, we can't accidentally run up the PA or execute the TD. at the time of writing that, i think i was reading titus's post that said the claim will get in the way of natural wagon formation/executions (or something along those lines), and i think it holds true somewhat even with the New And Improved plan.

~

datisi, how come you didn’t get pissed with GL this game?

he's not here at the moment. even if i was gonna get pissed at him (which i can't tell right now), i don't tend to get angry/attack someone when they're not here (also, do i really get angry

that

fast...?)

~

will look into the notscience stuff when i get more mental energy for it

[Datisi]

was there a reason you wanted to kick hel specifically?

[Datisi]

Taking out all the fluff

So you admit to fluffposting?

Spoiler: :thonk:

this is incredibly petty but: FakeGod, my name takes a capital at the start, if you wouldn’t mind for future VCs

Jeez, at least your name was spelled right. Have some gratitude ya snob.

Fun fact, i've got a folder of anime girl reaction pics too. But i've never had the guts to do the gimmick in a mafia game yet.

This game has too many weebs already, if i go all out here then people might start puking rainbows.
I'll try to restrain myself...

These spambots are getting quite advanced.

oh, can i add character images to my posts too?

No.

Whichever corrupt officials are bringing illegal goods in our perfectly legitimate copper business need to pay in blood. Now excuse me while i prepare myself some Earl Grey tea. It’s the finest.

I will always and forever, regardless of alignment or even in MD, have nothing but contempt from the very bowels of the most ragefilled hell for "shitposting meta" in games

Aw boo hoo.

No way i'm listening to the plan of some no good no-avatar hooligan. NO SIR-E-BOB!

LeTs UsE aS mUcH aS tHe DeAdLiNe As PoSsiBlE.
We HaVe To UsE aLl Of ThE tImE GiVeN tO uS tO mAkE tHe BeSt DeCiSsIoN pOsSiBlE.

You're my spirit animal.

In fact,
Here @NK15

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=125

Go get yourself an anime avatar UwU.

is backing the terrible “clowned” replacement option,

Ew

Only i should be allowed to use that term.

I need to think more.

I'm starting to question why i signed up to a game that requires thinking.

Only cowards care about what pedits say.

(Also i’m phone posting so that really makes me care even less)
RAW UNFILTERED UNCENSORED NORWEE Right here, right now.

norwee can you respond to my 603 pretty please?

[Datisi]

You can have a naked one if you'd like.

Not Known 15
username
Alisae
Menalque
Titus
notscience
Maki Harukawa
Moment
Datisi
Umlaut
Radical Rat
Iconeum
Something_Smart
maxwell
GuiltyLion

Hel

NorwegianboyEE

GuiltyLion dropped down because I think he'd be more involved at this point as town - based on his own self-meta that came from town!him.

ok so i just now realized this lmao
how serious is this list otherwise?

[Datisi]

Spongebob is pretty distinct so that would help, but we all know Gary is the true protagonist of that anime, so he'd be even better.

@Datisi: The list is actually serious. A lot of them are just gut or ~feelings~ though. I put myself low to give myself some cover.

i'm surprised you didn't put yourself at... Rock Bottom (ba dum tss)

[Datisi]

@Datisi
U know i’m the exception to that rule. Do as i say, not as i do.

sorry what?

[Datisi]

keep reading. the PA has already claimed.

[Datisi]

hi ali what's your read on me

[Datisi]

yoink?

~

don't remember
right now
probably town

that's the opposite of what
it was before
can you elaborate

[Datisi]

I didn't really see anything worth responding to in 228 frankly - yes the Moment one was the one that stood out as TMI. I didn't find your reasons for townreading Moment especially compelling - I guess it was rude to ask and not acknowledge you though, so I appreciate you giving me an answer

i guess i'm more interested as to

why

- i gave out multiple reads in the same posts, all with the same level of explanation (i.e. none), so i found it weird that you'd single out that one read as TMI and ignore/not comment on the rest

re 683: can you tell me why you think posts like those are bad?

~

621 From Datisi is a bad post.

pray tell?

~

I don’t wanna make this into a metaphorical dick measuring contest of “oh I fooled you” “on no you didn’t” “oh well I could have lynched you” “oh no you couldn’t have”

kinda too late for that

~

Datisi even explicitly said that he figured out the joke behind 14/17, and then asks whether or not it was a joke anyways in 469.

except that is literally not what i asked. in 271 i figured out what 82.35% meant (14/17), and i took it to mean mena's null on me, since that is the random chance of anyone being town. in 469 i was questioning him calling me his strongest (?) townread/lean/whatever

~

hi ico why am i not townreading you

[Datisi]

i think the only possible benefits scum can get from fakeclaiming PA like that are being able to somewhat control the day's execution/inspection and possibly reading the reactions to the claim hoping to spot the TD - for the drawback that one scum definitely gets executed day 2 so i don't think it's likely

pedit: ...

[Datisi]

i'm gonna go lay down now

[Datisi]

i mean, not "yet" but

i'm gonna assume for the time being you're not suicidal (as either alignment) cc'ing that

UNVOTE:

[Datisi]

@datisi do you think scum is pushing you or do you think you haven’t towntold yet?

i don't think i have generally towntold yet but also i don't think those two are necessarily mutually exclusive

[Datisi]

@datisi do you think scum is pushing you or do you think you haven’t towntold yet?

i don't think i have generally towntold yet but also i don't think those two are necessarily mutually exclusive

You think scum would push you after you towntold?

what i said there is i think *both* could be true (i.e. me not towntelling rn and scum pushing me)

i don't think they would, unless it was the last resort

[Datisi]

2-1days before deadline I vote someone and you comply.

...

VOTE: nk15

[Datisi]

sorry, a long day after a night of barely any sleep.

response to GL's earlier posts - i think hel is townie and i think norwee is scummy. i think norwee would know better as to scumread someone for "fluffposting". another thing irking me is his approach to my slot. i feel like whenever i try to innitiate conversation/discussion about his read on me i get ignored, unless i keep prodding him, only for him to pop up later and go "ah yes would still wagon datisi"

i've not felt like this in past games we were in together because those were different games? i was gonna bring up My Recent Meta argument but mena's beat me to it. another thing is that i

am

also trying to play differently, reason being that my performance in large games has consistently been... poor. see krazy's post-apoc upick, where almost all my reads were wrong, i got annoyed/demotivated, started lurking, and then got lynched in mylo-but-not-really (the joy of multiball), or, hell, even GnR3. i'm trying to approach the game differently, hopefully having better reads by actually taking my time.

i've skimmed what i've missed, and seeing it's mostly mech talk, right now my brain is not working nearly well enough to offer a meaningful comment on mechanics, other than the obvious "don't invest just one person" and "ico's call on shipments".

this is usually the part where i ask ico to talk to me about his reads, but for obvious reasons...

mena! i'm having trouble getting into this game, can we jam when you're around? what do you think of my points against norwee? have you given reasoning for your reads on S_S and RR yet?

[Datisi]

@mena, sorry i went to bed after posting that. also considering ico's given his final pool i do not think there's a point in actually discussing this today anymore

links would be 566, 603, 629

ship: wheat

inspect: wheat

pedit: i don't exactly get it either but it's kinda too late for that i think

[Datisi]

> ~5 new pages
> it's people talking about books, wine, and arguing with the IC who's not interested in hearing it


i'll be lurking, holla if you need me

[Datisi]

i see there's hammer, so dumb timing, but

V/LA 48 hours

[Datisi]

objectively speaking, i think we get a new fresh pool to investigate tomorrow, since if we execute town today we know there's scum in the 2 people anyway, and if we hit scum ~odds it's gonna be a waste

from my pov, i'm townreading moment so spiritual vote on notscience + +1 to norwee moving to wheat already

thinking further on this, if we're using the "second pool" only if the today's execution flips scum (since if they flip town we exe in the other 2), then the second pool should be people who have partner equity with the day's lynch, no? fml preflip associates...

~

I’ll look again at their and notscience’s reactions to being in the pool though (and datisi’s I guess?)

hi have you done this yet

also i'm obvtown because you didn't get n1'd, you're welcome

~

vague +1 on moment/nk15 probably not svs

~

you also don't understand how bad icon is with mechanics

~

s_s's day 2 is giving me different vibes than in jk9++

~

My ratio for likelihood of being scum in this pool is about
80% likelihood it's Datisi
19% Likelihood it's NotScience
1% Likelihood it's Moment.

These probabilities should not add up to 100%.

And also, they're awful, but that's a different issue.

can you talk more about this? what is your read on me?

~

norwee, holy fucking shit. people have given reasons why they think you're scum. i've given them. moment has given them. you haven't even tried to interact yet you keep fucking crying. you claim my tOwN aNd ScUm mEtA is night and day, yet you've played

one game

with me

six months ago

where i was

a mason

(which guess what, already meant that i'm gonna be playing that game vastly different than usual). mena and ico have played with me much more and recently, they're both townreading me, yet you don't even bother to interact with them about it?

~

pedit: lol funny, have you completely missed mena's posts this game, nk15? when did notscience go from being in your suspect pool to being lhf?

ppedit: i am literally right here

[Datisi]

two of which were the night phase, i was v/la, and pretty stressed irl which is making posting difficult but go off i guess

[Datisi]

trying out a different posting style, trying to limit my time on this cursed site, and finding spamming more mentally taxing?

like i've been posting like this in my last 5-10 games regardless my alignment. was pOsTiNg StyLe deadass the only thing you found so night-and-day?

[Datisi]

i am still addicted to the game, that's why i am here

i'm just hating myself in the process

[Datisi]

nope, i was a sad stressed pos before i got my role PM

[Datisi]

norwee, why are you still pushing me for NAI reasons? like this morning you ask about it, find out it's NAI and been going on for multiple games for me, and then just ignore it ???

[Datisi]

:thonk:

(also @s_s can you address my question for you in 1549 pls thank)

[Datisi]

moment and ns: town giving up, not pushing anything, not figthing, why would scum do that???
datisi: lurk!scum, very passive, obvious scum obviously

when it was about the posting style being different before but once that got proven NAI

also also so what i'm not voting? i've said what my prefered vote it. there is literally no point in voting until we settle the plan for tomorrow. what's the big difference between saying "spiritual vote on X" and actually voting X?

pedit: holy fuck, this is re: 1599

[Datisi]

You're not hunting either. You're deflecting notscience onto a

weaker town

.

is this me? what's your read on me?

Tbf datisi, titus is right that you should vote

maybe i "should"

my point is that if we're clearly not executing anyone until our dictator dragon is back and gives us a new batch of orders, (and until we have another 10 page shitfest over it), so why exactly am i "passive scum" for not voting here when i've said who i plan on voting?

[Datisi]

VOTE: notscience

[Datisi]

Dragon doesn’t get to choose the guillotine today because we know the TD isn’t in the group of 3

So this is just a normal day

yes but we still have to agree on the investigation shipping stuff

Man datisi you’d better not be scum here bc I’m gonna look dumb as fuck if you are

[Datisi]

solid pagetop

[Datisi]

So either NS is town or scum are hard bussing him.

is this not a false dichotomy? i'd imagine the low ratio of town:scum (both in game total and outside the inspection pool) would make it more difficult for scum to outright control the gamestate. plus, the day's still young.

[Datisi]

I just wanna reiterate that I find it EXTREMELY scummy in this setup to step back and say "well I know there's at least one scum in that group but I don't want to take a stance on any of them"

I read Moment as the opposite alignment from NK. Is that not a stance?

can you walk me through this? specifically why you think it isn't tvt. is there anything else besides "if nk15 were to flip town, moment looks like scum wk-ing him"?

~

nk15, do you mind?

pedit: lol funny, have you completely missed mena's posts this game, nk15? when did notscience go from being in your suspect pool to being lhf?

~

Give me 1 good reason scum!NK chooses to lie and fake claim like that, and in the process has a high chance of comitting seppuku

what scum would ever fakeclaim 4th PR in a micro game with three confirmed town PRs and then immediately start shading the three confirmed PRs, what does that achieve???

[Datisi]

it's okay norwee, you can keep pretending you scumread me.

[Datisi]

^^

also norwee and nk15 are both already spewed not!TD so

inspect: wheat

for the third, if we're adding them, maybe one od RR/umlaut/hel? i don't feel

too

strongly about it though

pedit: this was after max's post

wdym ico?

[Datisi]

i wasn't sure what you meant by that because investing in the same pool again right now (i.e. before any flips and with more suspect people that are spewed not!TD) is objecitely suboptimal

i literally said i'm townreading moment and ns's posts today (as rare as they are) are bad and he's getting voted, unless ns suddenly swoons me over with some amazing posts i'm done with that bracket for today

also considering you have the final say in who is getting investigated it's pretty clear that was *not* only for day 1 (not to mention 1692)

[Datisi]

aaaand ico left for the day. boring.

[Datisi]

yes but the issue rises if both you/SS are town

yes, which is why adding a third person lowers the chance of getting an innoTea

fresh people that were spewed not!TD and still have ~odds of being scum, or at least for removing paranoia

[Datisi]

ok, off of memory, i think i'm around here



(author's note: conftowns {s_s, norwee, ico, radical} not depicted, also pls forgive if your avatar is overlayed by someone else's, i tried)

general notes being:
- along with my earlier townread, i don't think mena starts bussing day 1 (and in a setup like this)

- while i don't think guiltylion has

as

obvtowned as other times, i think he's still pretty firmly town

- i like titus's posts and content, plus (from what i remember from that shitfest of a game) she feels different than the flying scumsman

- i don't think moment is scum here? like, seeing both mena and guiltylion (who are more or less universally townread) saying we should be investigating in datisi/moment, and in response to that writing 1983? when objectively i'm in a worse position than he is (and with norwee and radical now being conftown, both of whom were suspecting me), i'd sooner expect scum!moment to be pushing for my solo inspection than writing a case like that

(unless your argument is that the team is exactly datisi/moment, which... it's not)

- username

probably

deserves more credit than i'm giving him, but i have a terrible habit of constantly reading "angry, aggressive, screaming" people as town (and losing games when scum does that), so i don't think i can put him closer to bottom right now

- hel has fallen off my radar yesterday, and lowkey the only thing i remember from them was that suspicion towards guiltylion which i thought was kinda odd/misplaced?

- max/umlaut need a second look, i vaguely remember liking some of max's posts (and remember nothing from umalut) but reading isos is difficult zzz

- in a vacuum, nk15 yesterday was heavily reminding me of a game where i was scum, did some weird shit, and coasted off of it (coupled with ico defending him in almost the same way town!him was defending me then), but... in the grand scheme of things, i don't even know what to think here.

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(Ali, hel)? Worth checking in (datisi, moment) again too probably because a false negative would fuck us hard here

do you think there's scum in {datisi, moment}?

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Datisi(lurks)

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and i townread you [titus] so wynaut?

weren't you scumreading titus yesterday?

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I realize you might be right but i’m paranoid.

has norwee come around? :3

[Datisi]

ok alisae

[Datisi]

ok VOTE: alisae

[Datisi]

i think there's a mistake in your math - if there's scum in {datisi, moment, nk15}, then scum has lower chances of lolguessing correctly (though i haven't worked out exactly how lower that chance is, and i'm ehh?? on how likely it is)

an argument would be that, while we lose if scum snipes the daughter, we *also* lose if we don't execute another scum (yes i know we still have 3 executes yadda yadda lemme be paranoid)

depending on how well scum is doing, hitting around in the pool of "people that are very likely town but hey confirmed not daughter" we're likely losing time. of course i don't think i know how to calculate this without knowing who the scum is, so kekw

i'll think about it more later on

pedit: this was @mena

hel, what's your thoughts on umlaut? and where did guiltylion say that?

[Datisi]

How the hell are me and GuiltyLion higher than username?

i'm reading all three of you as town. the issue is that the reasons why i'm townreading username not as "valuable" as for the two of you - i default to reading aggressiveness as town, and can't really tell the difference. so i can't be confident in that read.

[Datisi]

... no, i don't think that, that's why he's on the further left side of the triangle.

[Datisi]

norwegianboyee? not calling for my head? it's more likely than you think

[Datisi]

I think 1.9 spews umlaut town tbh

Or at the very least substantially increases the odds he’s town, given that he’s the CW to a scum wagon that was minimum 3 maybe 4 townies

do you think there's scum in {maxwell, Alisae,

NorwegianboyEE

, GuiltyLion}? or, if alisae were to flip town, do you think it's likely maxwell is scum?

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I mean, I get why Moment/Datisi are LIKELY Town, but also I know that if I were scum, I would absolutely try to hide on a ship with my buddy, expecting the Town to stop after finding one scum there.

I do recognize that this couldn't really have been done intentionally in this instance since Iconeum decided the pool, but if Ico DID happen to find multiple scum there, they could definitely still try to coast off that.

Yeah but I also think they’d be aware that in a game like this there would be the potential for there being strong mechanical reasons to check there again post-scumflip and so I agree with whoever said that they’d expect them to have bussed harder to take advantage of being in that pool with someone they knew would flip red

Unless they were ALSO aware that they'd be expected to bus harder....
Which is getting into WIFOM territory yes, which is why I don't really want to execute any of them today, but really, really want an investigation.

radical, you read like you're confbiasing and tunnelled. like, you're talking about how you'd as scum definitely want to hide on the same ship as your buddy while then immediately saying you know that can't be the case here when we weren't the ones choosing to get on the ship. then followed by "oh but what if they actually weren't bussing FOR THE WIFOM"

do you have any Actual Reasons to think there's scum in me/moment?

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hi s_s nice to see you

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hel, i'd appreciate your thoughts on umlaut still. also, what's your read on guiltylion ignoring the post count? and what do you think of his explaination for it?

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suppose i shouldn't be talking reads here?

you can talk reads of people who are SpEwEd nOt Td
like me
hi

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leaning to reinspecting moment + datisi

I would support adding nk15 but I don’t think it’s entirely necessary

for what it's worth, considering we get another investigation, today is the last day we can yeet three people into the invest pool and still be able to brute-force a scum execution though if the tea is found, but i̷ ̴d̸o̵n̷'̷t̴ ̴k̶n̸o̵w̵ ̸w̸h̴a̷t̸ ̴t̴o̸ ̷t̷h̶i̵n̷k̷

[Datisi]

that's wrong btw. the day's pool should be either 1 person or 3. 1 if we're investing outside and the person is likely to eat an execution the next day *anyway*, or 3 if we're going for rechecks/clears as that (greatly) increases the odds we actually hit guilTea

and

that we have enough checks/executions to guarantee a scum execution in time.

[Datisi]

that's wrong btw. the day's pool should be either 1 person or 3. 1 if we're investing outside and the person is likely to eat an execution the next day *anyway*, or 3 if we're going for rechecks/clears as that (greatly) increases the odds we actually hit guilTea

and

that we have enough checks/executions to guarantee a scum execution in time.

i see it as confirmation that your bracket is clear, + we (read: you guys) get the ability to scumhunt. And if we don't hit scum, we can still do a new invest tomorrow

except we don't need the confirmation if we get scum in the pool. tea in the pool of three is still a guaranteed scum execution by day 5, and is much more valuable than two clears that realistically tell us nothing.

[Datisi]

ship: copper

[Datisi]

am i not shipping copper?

[Datisi]

i am.

[Datisi]

say no more fam

ship: copper

inspect: copper

VOTE: alisae

pedit: this is re 2445

[Datisi]

[Datisi]

[Datisi]

i'm actually the tomboy daughter and this is all a big meme.

not sure why dragon put me on the ship though.

[Datisi]

Man datisi you’d better not be scum here bc I’m gonna look dumb as fuck if you are

[Datisi]

norwee, your reasons for scumreading me were legit garbage. sorry.

[Datisi]

a broken clock is right twice a day

[Datisi]

thank you dragon <3

pedit: norwee, i'm not trying to insult you (and if it came across like that, i'm sorry). i'm saying your reasons for scumreading me were completely inaccurate. you were calling me scum for posting style - checking literally recent game of mine, regardless of alignment, you'd have seen that.

[Datisi]

i'd argue effort became less of a tell than it used to be, but /shrug.

[Datisi]

i should've prepared more memes, i thought i'd be hammered by now...

[Datisi]

norwee shut the fuck up you haven't posted a single meme yet

[Datisi]

I am a meme.

[Datisi]

hmmmmm

[Datisi]

oh, is it tea time already?

VOTE: datisi

[Datisi]

ayy that's good to hear

[Datisi]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=82568?

[Datisi]

wait shit, it's umlaut?

gah, that day 1 was pretty damn bad, and as soon as i saw the night 1 invest pool, i more-or-less knew this was gonna go down to getting the daughter right. turning my position around on d2/d3 but still getting shoved into the investigation was painful, haha.

good game to town, damn you ico

many thanks for modding, fakegod.

[Datisi]

me, in scumchat, circa 24 hours ago:

at this point i don't know if i'm confbiasing myself (and the actual answer is some dumb shit like umlaut or mena) or if we're living in the simplest universe...

[Datisi]

i was deadass thinking the same thing

[Datisi]

also, no redactions in the scum pt from me.