Smuggler's Port [Game Over]

[NorwegianboyEE]

Isn’t Tomboy supposed to be kept secret because if 2 smugglers die the last one just "guess" who they are and then we lose?
Although i’m assuming it’s just for the memes?

Serious tone cus i need to find my groove in a game that’s more complex than what i usually play.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If 2 Smugglers are executed, the remaining Smuggler must immediately make a guess at identity of the Tomboy Daughter, and if correct, the Smugglers win.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But you were joking right?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Change to copper

[NorwegianboyEE]

this is incredibly petty but: FakeGod, my name takes a capital at the start, if you wouldn’t mind for future VCs

Jeez, at least your name was spelled right. Have some gratitude ya snob.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fun fact: I am scumreading exactly one (1) person who has posted so far

OH, It's me? IT'S ME ISN'T IT?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who are these random unknown people i've never seen wagoning me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Fun fact, i've got a folder of anime girl reaction pics too. But i've never had the guts to do the gimmick in a mafia game yet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think we try to hit scum in very small group checks.

I agree on this. Let's start day 1 by checking two scummy dudes and then we can either get some guilty or a smaller amount of conf!towns.

[NorwegianboyEE]

OBJECTION!

[NorwegianboyEE]

This game has too many weebs already, if i go all out here then people might start puking rainbows.
I'll try to restrain myself...

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who are these random unknown people i've never seen wagoning me.

if they're anything like me they're thinly veiled alts of long-standing players

I already know who one of them is.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That's a good point from Titus. Do we check the scummiest 2 people then and try and hit scum?

No, the strategy is we vote Titus today.

Why was Titus's second post bad?

[NorwegianboyEE]

if it's me

Nope.

I think there’s a bit more to the setup then this but I don’t really wanna explain it.

^Good vibes from Alisae here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Your lack of an avatar is annoying.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Village should always be thinking about who the PA is and use their brains about it methinks.

Who is this "village" you refer to? I'd like you to know that i am under the command of the East India Company in bringing copper to the boonies and i'd like it if you showed some respect to our company's authority by referring to me and all of us as sophisticated merchants.

[NorwegianboyEE]

bland setup spec that doesn't even come to a meaningful conclusion, pure empty content. Subsequent posts have not been better.

I am willing to follow your line of reasoning for now.

Execute: Titus

[NorwegianboyEE]

These spambots are getting quite advanced.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I suggest we kick Hel off the Wheat trade and investigate that ship.

investigate Wheat

[NorwegianboyEE]

I suggest we kick Hel off the Wheat trade and investigate that ship.

investigate Wheat

why?

I didn't like Moment at first. But the fact that they said they were "happy with their vote" makes me think they're town again.
Datisi is good to keep unchecked for WIFOM maybe. Didn't realize they were on the ship. They should be switched out with someone else.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That's one of my least scummy posts.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't feel that I could explain myself particularly well at the current moment and thus I won't attempt to.

Why did you vote me initially though? What was your thoughts in your first post?

[NorwegianboyEE]

do you like when people scumread you or?

Unknown people that scumread me hard based on my first couple posts have usually been town so i just treat it that way.

[NorwegianboyEE]

oh, can i add character images to my posts too?

No.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I just said that I'm not going to attempt to explain myself at the moment. I'm not quite sure why you're asking me this, or what you're attempting to get out of it.

Um... Solving your slot? I'm trying to understand what is going on in your brain. So i can find out if you are pushing me for something genuine or making things up as you go along... Do you... understand... that this... is a game... of mafia?

I'm interested to hear why you're townreading Alisae this early.

I only said i liked one of their posts. It's not a strong read.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh god, why do the nutcases always go for me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Saying that your question is meant to "solve my slot" isn't particularly helpful.

There's a general assumption among all players in a game that (game-relevant) questions are implicitly asked with the purpose of solving a slot. A question like "What did you have for breakfast?" is pretty plainly not game-relevant, but a question like "Why did you make four posts in a row?" does seem to be game-relevant. With that in mind, if I asked someone "Why did you ask me why I made for posts in a row? I don't see the relevance of that question.", it wouldn't be useful if that person responded "I was trying to solve your slot." I am already working with at least the base assumption that that is what you are attempting to do, or at the very least you are attempting to appear as if you are solving my slot. The question comes from a disconnect in my mind between that apparent goal and what the question actually is, which to me does not seem to further the goal of solving a slot.

I'm not sure I was as clear as I could have been there, so allow me to repeat myself in a more concise manner. I don't see how the question you asked me does anything to further your solving of my alignment, and thus I inquired about it. Yes, I understand that this is a game of mafia, thank you.

Allow me to ask my question again more specifically – what is it specifically about that question that furthers your understanding of my alignment? I realize reading through my own post that I'm coming off somewhat harsh here, but I have to say that your question felt a great deal like just asking a question for the sake of asking a question – to appear to be doing something, while not actually getting at anything meaningful.

Sorry to say this dude, but all that's going through my head as i'm attempting to read and understand your post is this:

[NorwegianboyEE]

Then... Is it me, Jesus?

[NorwegianboyEE]

So tense.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Execute Username

Overly serious replies to joke posts. Scum usually cannot detect humor. Ergo likely scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Whichever corrupt officials are bringing illegal goods in our perfectly legitimate copper business need to pay in blood. Now excuse me while i prepare myself some Earl Grey tea. It’s the finest.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Scum-indicative sure, but "Likely scum" is stretching it.

How are those terms any different?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Did Moment say anything worth responding too?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think all usually "super excited players!!!" Tend to be a bit more toned down in games with large playerlist. Not AI in this instance imo.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I will always and forever, regardless of alignment or even in MD, have nothing but contempt from the very bowels of the most ragefilled hell for "shitposting meta" in games

Aw boo hoo.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Alisae
I guess you’re good at reading me as long as i’m not a vigilante? Not sure what you’re basing it on though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'd be suspicious if you blocked me so early.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why did it have to be NK15.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No way i'm listening to the plan of some no good no-avatar hooligan. NO SIR-E-BOB!

[NorwegianboyEE]

LeTs UsE aS mUcH aS tHe DeAdLiNe As PoSsiBlE.
We HaVe To UsE aLl Of ThE tImE GiVeN tO uS tO mAkE tHe BeSt DeCiSsIoN pOsSiBlE.

You're my spirit animal.

[NorwegianboyEE]

In fact,
Here @NK15

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=125

Go get yourself an anime avatar UwU.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Alternative plan that is actually fun and still avoids killing the TD by accident: we vote people up to L-2 after which people can place a “faux vote” (I propose using hurt tags)

The first person to get to 9 is “executed” and we repeat the process until another player is “lynched”. NK gets to choose between the two as to who we really execute

I don't really get it? What's the point of these "faux votes"?
But your main point is to get 2 wagons up and then NK decides right?

[NorwegianboyEE]

We shouldn't try to get a "bunch" of innos because then it limits the pool for scum as to the whereabouts of the tomboy daughter.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We shouldn't try to get a "bunch" of innos because then it limits the pool for scum as to the whereabouts of the tomboy daughter.

Hey Norwee
have you thought about not answering questions that were not directed towards you >_>

I answer questions directed towards other people and ignore questions directed at me.
Can't you just let me do my thing? Sigh, amateurs.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Blatant pandering such as that won’t work Mena.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I thought you were just clueless so i wanted to help you

[NorwegianboyEE]

Shit plan. The ships being investigated are too large. It’s basically pointless.

@notscience
Let me get this straight, you went from scumreading to not scumreading Username because he outed his alt and called you a pig fucker?

[NorwegianboyEE]

@RadicalRat
Did you intend for the pool of people we investigate to be deliberate or random?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why do you say shit like that?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway, if kuribo entered this game trying to be tranquil, I think he's less likely to instantly break out the not-tranquil mode as scum. I think he said somewhere that as scum he replicates some of the rage that is normal for him as town, so he'd probably manage to not lose it for slightly longer.

Agreed, i could literally be insulted in 1000 different ways and wouldn’t bat an eyelash as scum. But as town i can easily get triggered.

[NorwegianboyEE]

UNVOTE:
Not really sure where to vote now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh wait!

Execute Maxwell

This can be my standard "Don’t really know where to vote so i’ll park here" slot.

[NorwegianboyEE]

is backing the terrible “clowned” replacement option,

Ew

[NorwegianboyEE]

Only i should be allowed to use that term.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yes, they should know who I am.

? I have no idea who you are.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok i just discovered your main by searching your alt name on google. (Spoilers obviously)

[NorwegianboyEE]

I need to think more.

I'm starting to question why i signed up to a game that requires thinking.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Titus

Alisae

Maki Harukawa

username
Moment

GuiltyLion

Something_Smart

Datisi

Not Known 15

maxwell

Menalque

Hel
Iconeum
Radical Rat
notscience

Umlaut

So these are my current thoughts.
Green: Player i am familiar with that i townread.
Yellow: Player i'm familiar with that i do not currently townread.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee, what is it that you are seeing in titus/ali and what is it that you’re not seeing in datisi?

Titus it looks like they're trying to solve/effort. While Alisae idk, just don't feel any scummy motivation i guess?
As for Datisi i just don't see any town energy from their posts yet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My reads probably suck now but that's alright. I'll improve as the game advances.

[NorwegianboyEE]

norwee, the only game we played in was that (goddamn bullshit) newbie game where i was a mason, right?

Uhhh. I think it’s the only one barring ones where you were in a hydra, yes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Now you're caught fucking scum, and I'mma stand over your corpse just like I did Carl Tuckerson, just like Fish Monger, just like every god damn half-ass scum that ever tried to bait me into a ban over the last eight years.

This is some real "Heh, nothin personnel kid " copypasta if i ever seen one.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Username
Can you please try to argue your stance in a bit more... chill manner? Not saying you’re points are bad, but i really don’t want to see some excessive emotionally charged arguing kill all constructive argumentation moving forward.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tentative scumteam guess: notscience/Hel/Moment.

I like those spicy reads.
In fact i don’t really like this slot. I think they’re trying to fake a "lolmeme" playstyle.

Vote Execute Hel

[NorwegianboyEE]

So Username is obvtown.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can you try and say what exactly you find fake about the playstyle in this case?

They’re the scummy kind of lolmeme where they make a bunch of fluff posts to compensate for something. (Which is, rolling scum and not being able to properly replicate town playstyle.)

[NorwegianboyEE]

I didn’t really like you. I just thought investigating two people would be better than three.

[NorwegianboyEE]

They’re the scummy kind of lolmeme where they make a bunch of fluff posts to compensate for something. (Which is, rolling scum and not being able to properly replicate town playstyle.)

I'm an alt. What "town playstyle" would I feel I need to replicate? Also, look through my ISO again. There's fluff posts but there's a lot of solving in there too. This feels disingenuous from you.

What solving? There’s nothing to townread you for. If there is, please remind me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

There was that time you sheeped Mena and explained his post i think. What a ‘brave’ and utterly ‘selfless’ act.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Only cowards care about what pedits say.

[NorwegianboyEE]

(Also i’m phone posting so that really makes me care even less)
RAW UNFILTERED UNCENSORED NORWEE Right here, right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Taking out all the fluff

So you admit to fluffposting?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sure you’ve got some posts that aren’t fluff. But the fact that 50% of them are essentially filler is what caught my eye.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We’re 25 pages in and only been in game 48 hours. More people are guilty of fluffposting than hell lol.

You tell him, Umlaut! Sorry if I got your name wrong, still trying to sort between all the anime pfps.

Your posts are pretty funny tho, i’ll give you that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

was there a reason you wanted to kick hel specifically?

I think there wasn’t much other than they didn’t bother me at the time.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Both of your eyes are closed though.

What if your posts were the cause?
>Galaxy brain

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Datisi
U know i’m the exception to that rule. Do as i say, not as i do.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like this interaction is non-partnery, said Mena, preparing himself for the inevitable post-game embarrassment

Between who?

[NorwegianboyEE]

ok lets kill umlaut
VOTE: umlaut

Why Umlaut?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Looks like the start of a decent wagon.
VOTE: Umlaut

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sheeping u.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Damn, you giving me an existential crisis with that tone. What the FUCK am i doing? With my life?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I have reads but they are mostly gut. I think u are town tho.

[NorwegianboyEE]

ughhhh why do you all post so much over a holiday weekend

We're not all from the US here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm sorry to disappoint, but i did not install Raid Shadow Legends and play the tutorial.

[NorwegianboyEE]

this greatly upsets me

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[NorwegianboyEE]

Why do you townread me GL?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Btw my read on Umlaut changed to more null-ish. I took a look at their ISO again and there was some things i didn't like. Especially from recent posts.

[NorwegianboyEE]

yoink?

~

don't remember
right now
probably town

that's the opposite of what
it was before
can you elaborate

u started scumhunting
i like that

when?

I saw ? in her posts and they looked like scumhunting
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Sigh...

[NorwegianboyEE]

Alisae, it's like you're good at scum hunting, but at some point you townread scummy individuals for something completely pointless.

Waifu upick: You no longer hard scumread scum!Bitmap because he used caps lock in an argument with you.

Fusion mafia: You townread scum!me because i called you annoying and townread you at the same time and apparently you believed "scum can't do those things."

This game: You ease your scumreading of Datisi because you found a question mark in their posts...???

[NorwegianboyEE]

wait fusion mafia
wait i don't remember this game
hold on

Ops, i meant another game.
Uhhh, NSG's nightless i think it was.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This game -> https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=82922

[NorwegianboyEE]

well norwee if u ever scumread me in this game then you must be scum

Noted. I will only pocket you from now on.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think you both are quite easy to read for me at this point tbh, and i'm ready to just settle on both of you being town.
If C9++ and that newbie game i had with Mena are any indication then he is lazy as scum. Here he actually efforts.
Alisae mostly agenda posts as scum, not what they're doing here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also I don’t think I ever rolled scum against you in a newbie @norwee?

That one where you replaced out immediately.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'd like to think you're just complimenting me honestly, but that gave me a bit of goose skin not gonna lie.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Err excuse me I had like a thousand posts that game or something?

Also there's something to be said about the difference between tons of posts VS effort. They aren't always mutually exclusive imo.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Uncharacteristically of me, i also need to VLA.

VLA to 10th July

I'll be going somewhere with very bad internet reception so i'll try to post if possible, but the connection might not get through. At the very least, i probably won't be so active.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What's wrong with praising our lord Satan?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just do as me. Give off no notions that i’d grant any wisdom regarding the setup or our best move forward whatsoever.
Ahh~ The freedom of letting other people do all the work.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Take that back. I've never made a fluffpost in my life, and I don't even know what jokes are.

Maybe that's why you scumread me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I saw people voting for a "clown" and I guess I just couldn't see a better option.

My avatar may be clownpiece, an hell fairy subordinate to the Goddess of Hell. But that's no reason to discriminate!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Thanks.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've got a reliable-ish way of reading him nowadays.

And how am i supposed to take this when i don't know who you are? Meta reading me but i can't meta read you? What is this unfair advantage?

[NorwegianboyEE]

The fact that you bring up my meta as a reason for scumreading me, but don’t specifically explain what experience you have to make this read makes for an entirely meaningless argument.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You can say you don’t see any reason to townread me, i get it. But don’t being up this "he’s not playing to his town meta" shaite unless you’ve got specific examples of my towngames and how i’m deviating from it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t intend to talk about the Tomboy Daughter at all unless it’s intended to obscure their identity from scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think i know who you are Hel, but i won’t guess since i assume you want it to remain hidden.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The person's identity is important to my read accuracy though. That's why i'm taking it into consideration, even if i don't publicly state my guess at who they are.
That said, i'm believing they are town for now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also, i don't believe it's normal for a scum!hidden alt to use meta in their reads towards players they know. That sounds more like something a town!alt would do.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Okay, new plan:

I am a new player and am new to mafia scum. I didn't enter the newbie queue because the players there looked intimidating. I have no meta to use and no baggage to carry. I am free with the wind.

But you literally described having such familiarity with me that you'd know what my towngame looks like.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You seemed mysterious so I looked up your meta and read a few games of yours. I'm a fan.

Nobody's ever called me "mysterious" before.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ur mysteriously shitposty

I won't deny it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The "PT slip" included herself Ico. Are you serious with this? Lmao.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Hel
May i take a bathroom break honorary Port Authority?

[NorwegianboyEE]

From my experience with NK15 i could easily see them make a claim like this. (Even though i find it annoying that they did so)

[NorwegianboyEE]

From my experience with NK15 i could easily see them make a claim like this. (Even though i find it annoying that they did so)

fake or ?

Nah, real.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I hope no town thought it was a good idea to fake claim here, but the possibility is there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Once in my homesite i saw a VT claim vig after a vig shot. When the real vig counterclaimed them and they got inevitably lynched afterwards they said they did it to "protect the real vig and make scum waste a shot on VT" and that town was dumb for lynching him.
I believe NK15 is the lying one here, but i don’t know if he’s town or scum. If town i think he’s stupid as hell. But gotta consider the possibilities. After all, i’m curious what scum would have to gain from fake claiming here if they know they’ll be CC’ed.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Not Known 15
You did it to "protect the PA" or did you fake claim to out the real PA?

Because there is a nonzero chance you did the second.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Eliminate Not Known 15

Keeping my vote here for a bit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Keeping my vote here for a bit.

"A bit" being "the duration of Day 1", right?

Well... yeah. I guess you could say that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If NK15 is town then he’s misplayed hard. But i’m not really willing to take that chance.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Heading into radio silence anyway now. So might not change vote due to that reason.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Have read the game STOP
Still stand by my vote on NK15 STOP
Would be willing to wagon Datisi as an alternative STOP
Didn’t understand most of the reasoning i’m getting scumread STOP
Internet breaking up constantly STOP
Liking S_S STOP

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: norway

Voting me while i’m internet-less, that sucks.
Mena, ur a butt.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i think norwee would know better as to scumread someone for "fluffposting".

You don’t know my scum game at all. Why do you pretend like you do?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I like this current gamestate because there is a lot of apathy for town and that makes it easy for me to lurk and then jump on the inevitable crap wagon on town when deadline starts appearing or people literally stop giving shits.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Datisi

[NorwegianboyEE]

titus this game suxs

IK it’s hella boring when i’m not here. All these nerds talk way too much.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Last day's lynch was ass. Can we do better today?

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Datisi

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think if we really did want to investigate there again after notscience flipping scum would be a (datisi, norwee) pool

What are you even basing this on?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mena, your blatant ignoring has been logged.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is annoying, i’m being scumread for who knows what god damn reason and everyone skirts around the issue. So i’m vote parking Datisi and leaving that for today. Goodbye. I might respond to prods but don’t expect much more.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ship Wheat

Inspect Wheat

[NorwegianboyEE]

Don't really feel like putting in the effort of getting people to townread me naturally so just put an invest on me, i don't mind.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I for one am shocked maki flipped town and that wagon yesterday was ass.

If you're shocked he flipped town, why would the wagon be bad in your opinion?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm waiting for your answer, but that seems like an contradictory thought.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I disagree with your plan Titus. I suggest we lynch one of Notscience/Moment/Datisi and then put the remaining people of the initial investigation pool into Wheat together with me. Then we check if there are still tea in the group. If we managed to get the scum with our first guess we can check if there are more people that are scum in the pool (i'll know it's one of the two people if there is positive for tea in there.) Otherwise, if we get a clear on all three of us we can get conf!town that are more competent than the current town leaders. Honestly, Mena's been playing awful and i'd like to see him dethroned soon. You too Titus. There are so many people just spouting rambling theories and TR'ing them for it. And the crescendo of it all was the lynch yesterday. It was a god awful lynch on a person i TR and i don't even understand why they were lynched in the first place.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I for one am shocked maki flipped town and that wagon yesterday was ass.

If you're shocked he flipped town, why would the wagon be bad in your opinion?

Did you read any of my posts towards the end of the day yesterday?

I probably should have separated my sarcasm from my seriousness with a period.

It was sarcasm, got it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Moment/NotScience/Datisi
All of you, please ship wheat and choose to investigate wheat. If you disagree your scum claiming. Tnx :>

[NorwegianboyEE]

My guess for scum is one of NotScience/Datisis btw. Leaning Datisis more than NotScience.
Moment is town for post 1102 among other things.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Datisi's been so low-effort it's funny. They're scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My ratio for likelihood of being scum in this pool is about
80% likelihood it's Datisi
19% Likelihood it's NotScience
1% Likelihood it's Moment.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And take a look at Moment's 1154
They're freaking obvtown. A wagon on them is a terrible wagon and i condemn it with all of my strenght. The wagon on NotScience is bad too, more votes on Datisi please.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That also shows our leaders are competent and accurate.

Maybe it makes more sense for you since you think i'm scum. But i know i'm not so that means most of the scumreads they've shown so far has been inaccurate. And you even participated on the Maki wagon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This straight up denies town information.

Is getting 3 town confirmed or another scum in the elimination pool. "Denying town information" ?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or are you looking for the TD? Is that why you're opposed to this plan? We've already confirmed that the Ship Authority has nothing against us lynching inside of this pool, so therefore we should work with clearing it from scum. And then look outside of it. We have to think about denying information to the scum too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And take a look at Moment's 1154
They're freaking obvtown. A wagon on them is a terrible wagon and i condemn it with all of my strenght. The wagon on NotScience is bad too, more votes on Datisi please.

At least we agree on Moment being a bad wagon. I would strongly prefer notty though. His defense of Maki feels like a whiteknight.

Ok, so you believe NS is scum. Acceptable, but what's your read on Datisi? Do you think it's possible he is either another scum, or there is a world where he is scum and NS could be town? Do you townread Datisi?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Moment/NotScience/Datisi
All of you, please ship wheat and choose to investigate wheat. If you disagree your scum claiming. Tnx :>

Actually, Moment. You can just stay out of the pool altogether. You're most likely town. Let's get someone from the Moment wagon in the next pool instead, either one of these:

Moment [2] - maxwell, Alisae

[NorwegianboyEE]

His defense of Maki feels like a whiteknight.

Can you elaborate on your feelings of why scum!him would do this as opposed to town!him? I TR Maki too, and if i had been less busy i would most likely have complained about the wagon when it was forming.

[NorwegianboyEE]

definitely not doing this at the moment. If we are not sticking to the plan and do a single investigation in the known pool then it is only Iconeum who is allowed to make decisions. You forgot? Iconeum knows who not to investigate, we don`t, with the exception of Moment , notscience, Datisi, and me.

I have no idea what you're trying to say. All i got is that you're opposed to my plan.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You also completely overlook one thing about notscience whiteknighting Maki: If notscience is in the pool, why is it a good idea to fight a town lynch? They are essentially dead if they are scum anyways.

Good point. Now vote Datisi.

[NorwegianboyEE]

S_S is their scum partner.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee randed scum again got it

This is why i want an inspection on myself. You’re skills at reading me are laughable and impotent.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is it a tonal thing or what, Alisae?

I’d tell you, but i honestly don’t know. Like i said, nobody has given a valid reason for scumreading me this game. But by circumstances i’ve been pushed up as a suspect and now certain people are unable to see me as anything but scummy due to the phemonena known as groupthink and confirmation bias.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m revoking my TR on Alisae based on them scumreading Moment. Back to null for them. And i wouldn’t mind putting them in an investigation pool with me. I’ll gladly 1v1 them if the pool shows positive for tea.

[NorwegianboyEE]

EE is deliberately wanting to limit the investigation pool.

And why is this scummy? I’ve stated my position since day 1. Large pools of investigations are stupid.
Just because you disagree with me on this fact doesn’t make me less likely to be town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think you're agency captured at this point.

This is just a really cheap and scummy buzzword. Honestly Titus, i’m starting to scumread you too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee, why are you suddenly so confident on Datisi being scum? Just for starting to lurk it out?

Because their town meta is completely different from this. And i mean the difference is like night and day. That’s why i’m so certain. And did you also consider that there was a soft guilty on their slot with that investigation tonight? I don’t scumread Moment+NotScience= Datisi!scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwegian over the last couple pages is hella town but also spewing himself not TD which I am begging people not to do for fuck's sake

Yeah, don’t spew yourself TD. I’m making myself the exception because someone needs to take over badly. The wagons so far are garbage, not a single vote on scum!Datisi except for me. Obvtown Moment has 2 votes. I’m being shaded for bad reasons left and right. I had to do this for the sake of not throwing the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think you're agency captured at this point.

This is just a really cheap and scummy buzzword. Honestly Titus, i’m starting to scumread you too.

I invented the term in mafia. It's hardly a buzzword. In those two words I said I think Maxwell is town but his entire reads are wrong.

With the context you quoted him from, you were basically just stating bluntly that he is town and i am pocketing him. Which sounds like a really scummy A F thing to say if you're not even going to elaborate why exactly he is wrong about his read on me or anyone else.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That means a guarantee scum lynch by Day 4. Period.

One scum lynched by D4 would be too late.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That's why I am calling your bluff on being investigated.

Lmao. Ok we're done here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Datisi, ur posting style has gone from medium sized and natural to long, wall-posty, and with less frequency than the newbie we had. Why is that?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Does your self-hate have anything to do with rolled allignment?

[NorwegianboyEE]

They nullslipped.

[NorwegianboyEE]

notsci also tripped up my personal super-secret scumtell that players have toward me and which has like a 90% accuracy rate so i feel good about tossing that slot into the harbor

Intriguing.
I'm curious to vote them now just because you said that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s probably just the “tried to make me mad” thing again.

Are you even aware you're being heavily suspected for being scum? Why are you so apathetic? You should argue why either Moment/Datisi is scum instead of you no...?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Vote Datisi with me then. I'm not going to work my ass of protecting you if you plan to just sit down and accept your fate.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Thank you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm still not seeing NotScience or Moment as scummy, and Username is most likely tunneling town. Username seem to be personally offended about what NotScience did earlier, but that doesn't mean NotScience is scum. Basically Username has a problem with discerning the difference between scummy play and regular town play he himself doesn't like.

[NorwegianboyEE]

- Unofficial vote count -

notscience [4] - Menalque, username, Titus, Moment
Moment [3] - maxwell, Alisae, Not Known 15
Datisi [2] - NorwegianboyEE, notscience

Not Voting [7] - Something_Smart, Datisi, Hel, Iconeum, Radical Rat, Umlaut, GuiltyLion

[NorwegianboyEE]

There should be more votes on Datisi. Only Menalque TR's them and i don't think his reasoning is adequate.
1021 Specifically, is giving towncredit to Datisi where it's not due.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think people are afraid to push Datisi purely because Mena vouches for them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t think datisi has done things that should make someone unfamiliar with her TR her, but I think her recent meta has been towards the way she’s playing this game i.e. a bit checked out, and I’ve incorrectly scumread her for it the last couple of games we’ve played. I’m townreading her because I think a couple of the posts she’s made are very natural in the way she’s interacted with me in a way that I’m still not sold she does well as scum. Also, she’s rolled town like, a lot, and to memory her most recent scumgame she was actually much more active and enthusiastic than in her recent towngames.

What about this does she “not deserve” then norwee? I’m waiting

It's all just personal bias and no real logic reasoning behind it worthy of sheeping. Essentially your opinion on Datisi's slot is not worth considering if what i'm getting at.

[NorwegianboyEE]

norwee, why are you still pushing me for NAI reasons? like this morning you ask about it, find out it's NAI and been going on for multiple games for me, and then just ignore it ???

Moment is town and i think NS's reaction to pressure was towny. They're not even fighting really, why would scum do that? They're town giving up. As for you i'm getting lurk!scum vibes. Only showing up when it's convenient today, not even voting. Very passive, etc.

[NorwegianboyEE]

norwee, why are you still pushing me for NAI reasons? like this morning you ask about it, find out it's NAI and been going on for multiple games for me, and then just ignore it ???

Hmm I wonder why that might be

Norwee looking for NAI reasons to make a shitwagon on you to divert from notscience?

Huh, I have no explanation for what that might be in this heavily bus disincentivised setup

No idea whatsoever why he might do that

Whatever you say dude.
Why would i even bother protecting scum!NS to this extent when it's obvious they'd get lynched tommorow if NS flips scum, and then me immediately afterwards. You think i'm such a shit scum player i'd make it that clear-cut?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're being really childish right now Menalque.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Menalque
You can keep your vote on NS without throwing a tantrum, i'm just trying to say an alternative because i'm not really seeing NS as all that scummy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Menalque
You can keep your vote on NS without throwing a tantrum, i'm just trying to say an alternative because i'm not really seeing NS as all that scummy.

This just feels like you're scrambling for a notscience alternative. Where is his scumhunting? Why would you give up defending a townread?

Anyone would give up defending a townread when faced with BS posts such as Mena's.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just don't lynch Moment. They're the one i'm the most sure about not being scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're not hunting either. You're deflecting notscience onto a weaker town.

You're calling Datisi "weaker town" from my POV it sounds like you don't entirely TR them either.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's not bullying, they've got an rabid attack dog hounding me every step of the way. He's biting me in the legs right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah thanks, you're real insightful SS.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah thanks, you're real insightful SS.

It was a genuine question. What exactly do you think people are afraid of?

Nicholas Cage.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah thanks, you're real insightful SS.

It was a genuine question. What exactly do you think people are afraid of?

No but seriously, this is a dumb question. I don't think it's a big secret that many people here look up to Mena and think's his reads must be accurate if he states them with strong certainty. It would be very dumb and risky for scum to go against him here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Town would want to believe he is right because of his strong presence.

[NorwegianboyEE]

they would either just capitalize on the opportunity to keep Datisi alive

Well yeah, that's what i'm thinking is the most likely event if Datisi is scum here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

From my POV it’s quite telling how easily NS got wagoned. Me being the only one to defend NS shows that scum are content with the lynch today. So either NS is town or scum are hard bussing him. Now tell me which you guys think is most likely.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mena JUST said this setup is one where it’s anti-wincon for scum to buss btw.

[NorwegianboyEE]

[NorwegianboyEE]

One thing that's been bothering me. The fact that at least one scum willingly took an investigation is a bit odd. I think there are at least 2 theories to explain this from what i can see.
A: They decided to ship Wheat, and when that turned out to be the investigation they didn't think they could exit without looking scummy so they just took it. This might point to either NS giving up and doing a losing play. Or one of Datisi/Moment thought it would be fine if they were investigated because they wouldn't get lynched today and their teammates are likely to endgame even if they get lynched sooner or later.
B: Gambit. More than one scum are in the investigation pool. The plan was to have a guilty, get one of the scum lynched. And then the rest of the town would think the 2 other players are conf!town even if one or two of them are also scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why would they refuse to take an investigation? Then they just get executed.

They could have made an excuse to investigate something else or just stayed on Linen right? Why did they move out to Wheat in the first place if they were scum? The best move would be to just stay in the largest pool no?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh it was because of Iconeums post 1180 ok now i get it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah i forgot that Ico basically set up everything. So going against that would be scummy. I see now why it ended up like this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Townie confession.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Never gonna give it up~
Never gonna let it down~
Never gonna turn around, and townread you~