Smuggler's Port [Game Over]

[Hel]

Early Tomboy Daughter vibes from Datisi because I think Menalque crumbed it in post 7.

I can confirm I am

not the Tomboy Daughter

, but I'll try and help them as best I can!

[Hel]

Ship: Linen
Check: Copper

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

[Hel]

Are you trying to imply I'm the Tomboy Daughter?? I just said I'm not.

[Hel]

Oh, everyone's shipping Linen by default. Boring.

Ship: Wheat

[Hel]

Get off your copper high horse, Titus. Wheat is superior in every way. What you going to do when the war comes and food runs low, huh? I'll be here with my delicious wheat while you can try munching down on your precious copper.

[Hel]

I think we want to check like 3 or 4 people we think are not Tomboy Daughters. Getting clears on everyone in the inspection is more valuable than getting a Tea result.

[Hel]

Get off your copper high horse, Titus. Wheat is superior in every way. What you going to do when the war comes and food runs low, huh? I'll be here with my delicious wheat while you can try munching down on your precious copper.

I take my copper blade, stab you, and then use it to harvest wheat.

Nah, no way you're getting to me if I'm surrounded by all this wheat. It's like a full body armor suit.

[Hel]

I will policy-lynch Maki Harukawa if she stops using the pics.

[Hel]

That's a good point from Titus. Do we check the scummiest 2 people then and try and hit scum?

Also, someone should really vote for the Tomboy Daughter already to give her some cover.

Pedit: I agree it's a flawed strat. I think we try to hit scum in very small group checks.

[Hel]

I'd prefer if you stopped stealing my pagetops, Maki.

[Hel]

Also, someone should really vote for the Tomboy Daughter already to give her some cover.

but the PA is the only person who knows who that is

Are you trying to fish me??

Fine, I'll admit it. I'm not the Port Authority.

[Hel]

OBJECTION!

!!!

[Hel]

I buy username's townslip of not knowing scum's alternate wincon. He's giving me good Port Authority vibes too so he can be my shipmaster.

[Hel]

I suggest we kick Hel off the Wheat trade and investigate that ship.

investigate Wheat

Over my dead body. I'm never parting with my beloved Wheat.

[Hel]

Getting some good reads here. I'm compiling my thoughts into a powerpoint presentation. Can I attach that here?

[Hel]

Maki Harukawa is Donnie Brasco for anyone not aware.

[Hel]

Tomboy Daughter Reads

Maki Harukawa

- Classic Donnie is at it again. She's overcompensating here and trying to say she has nothing to fear if scum want to check her meta.

username

- He knows about the ToDa wincon but not this one? For most it'd be the other way around. Very daughterly.

Titus

- Look through her ISO. She hasn't even mentioned the Daughter once. She's terrified of talking about her because she

is

her.

-----------------

maxwell

- He agreed with my early strat of putting people we think are town on the checks to get clears. That's a terrible strat and outs Tommy, so he's never Tomboy here.

Hel

- She just seems so oblivious and lost, and she even said she wasn't ToDa. I don't think she'd lie if she was actually the Daughter.

[Hel]

if y'all don't fuckin stop openly hunting the tomboy's daughter I swear to god it's going to stir Him up, and if He gets stirred up I won't be able to stop the old entity from tainting this vessel


There is absolutely no possible good to come from publicly stating who you think is the tomboy daughter

Think assassins in the palace

Is that a Tomboy Daughter claim?

[Hel]

Pretty obvious who you are.

[Hel]

Why do you keep bringing up the Tomboy Daughter anyway, username? I get the feeling you're fishing and it's making me nervous.

[Hel]

See, there you go talking about the Tomboy Daughter again. STOP please, this only helps scum!!

[Hel]

hel, how ~serious~ are posts/accusations like 202?

Very serious. I'm paranoid and trying to stay out of the limelight but username isn't helping.

(/s)

I agree with 213 because cognitive load is a thing for scum, but also 216 for the way Norwee worded it. Scum-indicative sure, but "Likely scum" is stretching it.

[Hel]

"Likely scum" means a confident scumread, no? Though I guess you do overplay the confidence in your reads now that I think about.

[Hel]

it

[Hel]

Is excitement AI from Datisi?

[Hel]

Datisi are you excited to play?? You don't

feel

excited to play

considering i spent the last ~2.5 hours doing tedious chores, not really

I know this is a weird read, but this felt like a strange excuse for not being excited to play the game.

Like, if it was Hel:

>Do chores for 2.5 hours
>Very tedious
>Done with chores
>Can finally get into that online mafia forum words game
>Exciting!

but that's me and Datisi is a different human being person

[Hel]

I think username is town for the bravado and earlier townslip.

Slight scumpings from Norwee for deflecting Moment's line of questioning completely, and he feels a little less fiery than normal.

[Hel]

Allow me to ask my question again more specifically – what is it specifically about that question that furthers your understanding of my alignment?

This was the important part of that post.

But I also don't like Moment completely dropping the issue after Norwee dismissed him, rather than pursuing it further.

I am cyrus62.

[Hel]

Datisi are you excited to play?? You don't

feel

excited to play

considering i spent the last ~2.5 hours doing tedious chores, not really

I know this is a weird read, but this felt like a strange excuse for not being excited to play the game.

Like, if it was Hel:

>Do chores for 2.5 hours
>Very tedious
>Done with chores
>Can finally get into that online mafia forum words game
>Exciting!

but that's me and Datisi is a different human being person

read the timestamps my dude, it was more like
> scrub the filthy fuckin shower for 10 minutes
> okay i will take a 30 second break to read the game
> fuck me more scrubbing the filthy shower
> ...
> why did i spend two hours cleaning the bathroom i wanna go sleep

Oh, you were talking about not being excited during those 2.5 hours while playing. That makes more sense.

[Hel]

What anime is your avatar from, Umlaut? I might give it a watch.

[Hel]

I'm around 97.89241% sure Umlaut is triggered.

[Hel]

Obviously, old friend.

[Hel]

[username, Alisae, GuiltyLion, Menalque] are my early Tomboy Daughter bloc.

[Hel]

username is daughterly for not knowing about one of the scum wincons early - think that was genuine. And then the bravado in reacting to my excellent Tomboy Daughter reads I like - how often do you see scum make posts like 189.

Mena mainly because he's playing really differently to last I played with scum!him. Also, I kinda like him withholding his scumreads to see what they do before he reveals them.

[Hel]

inb4 scumslip it should be 13/16 from town pov

Isn't that a non-player third party slip? Very suspicious...

[Hel]

Obviously, old friend.

Ahhh. Message received.

[Hel]

Why the tiger, Menalque?

[Hel]

Like my post said I had more stuff but I can only remember like three four of my reads because its so hard to tell all yall weebs apart

You're a weeb as well though. I can barely make you out from the other anime avatars like Maki, Umlaut, or notscience.

Hel I would love if you'd come round for a pot of tea on this here username wagon- I'll pour you some of my pa's old chamomile recipe.

I only give it to those who bleed as green as I do.

The over the top "I am a mafia god and you will feel my wrath" I find towny and I've seen so often from town and I don't think I have from scum.
Do you buy his townslip at the start?

[Hel]

Hel being very noisy about the Tomboy Daughter,

Is that something you'd like to talk about? I don't think the Tomboy Daughter is in [Datisi, GuiltyLion, NorwegianboyEE].

[Hel]

For some reason I believe notscience genuinely didn't know who username was and I think he's probably town here.

Agree about not knowing it was Kuribo but-

Pedit
I respect your decision.

Why would you respect his decision? He's scumreading you because he thinks you knew it was him and were interested in trying to rile him up. You know this isn't true and it feels reachy to me, so why?

Anyway, if kuribo entered this game trying to be tranquil, I think he's less likely to instantly break out the not-tranquil mode as scum. I think he said somewhere that as scum he replicates some of the rage that is normal for him as town, so he'd probably manage to not lose it for slightly longer.

[Hel]

Not Known 15 is so dreamy.

[Hel]

Alternative plan that is actually fun and still avoids killing the TD by accident: we vote people up to L-2 after which people can place a “faux vote” (I propose using hurt tags)

The first person to get to 9 is “executed” and we repeat the process until another player is “lynched”. NK gets to choose between the two as to who we really execute

This plan seems good to me.

[Hel]

Read Menalque's plan again, Titus. We play normally with the only difference being replacing the L-1 and hammer votes with HURT: votes. Once we've "lynched" two people, we let the shipmaster (Not Known 15) decide on who we really lynch of the two.

This is actually preferable to playing normally and accidentally wagoning and driving a lynch on the Tomboy Daughter, because that would be an autoloss then if the shipmaster mysteriously decided to out and veto that lynch suddenly.

Oh, wait, I just realised the Tomboy Daughter could technically claim shipmaster if driven to L-1 and that would be fine too, but it still gives scum a 50/50 on that person if it happens.

[Hel]

Oh, wait, I just realised the Tomboy Daughter could technically claim shipmaster if driven to L-1 and that would be fine too, but it still gives scum a 50/50 on that person if it happens.

Do you mean could claim port authority?

Shipmaster.. port authority... same thing really

I’m sorry what is that word? Did you mean clowned?

I think I require enlightenment on this meme. Explanation requested.

[Hel]

Read Menalque's plan again, Titus. We play normally with the only difference being replacing the L-1 and hammer votes with HURT: votes. Once we've "lynched" two people, we let the shipmaster (Not Known 15) decide on who we really lynch of the two.

This is actually preferable to playing normally and accidentally wagoning and driving a lynch on the Tomboy Daughter, because that would be an autoloss then if the shipmaster mysteriously decided to out and veto that lynch suddenly.

Oh, wait, I just realised the Tomboy Daughter could technically claim shipmaster if driven to L-1 and that would be fine too, but it still gives scum a 50/50 on that person if it happens.

I disagree because now NK 15's reads are placed above that of town. What if NK 15 gets agency captured?

This is a common gripe with unkillable town. Scum know exactly where they need to play around.

This same problem made T v A immensely hard for me and I didn't have to force town into wagoning two people at all.

Not Known 15 doesn't need to give out reads. He just gets the final pick of the 2 lynches so we have a fail-safe in case the Daughter is one of them.

[Hel]

I’ll probably quieten down when I’m more comfortable with the gamestate, and if I feel like people who I’m scumreading or otherwise uncomfortable aren’t trying to lead the game

I think the approach you’re taking to me is odd, maki

fuck

Wow

[Hel]

Are you trying to get me to claim Tomboy Daughter, Norwee? I won't admit it no matter what you say.

[Hel]

I suggest we kick Hel off the Wheat trade and investigate that ship.

investigate Wheat

What changed from liking me here? I was messing around before this point too.

[Hel]

They’re the scummy kind of lolmeme where they make a bunch of fluff posts to compensate for something. (Which is, rolling scum and not being able to properly replicate town playstyle.)

I'm an alt. What "town playstyle" would I feel I need to replicate? Also, look through my ISO again. There's fluff posts but there's a lot of solving in there too. This feels disingenuous from you.

[Hel]

Tentative scumteam guess: notscience/Hel/Moment.

I like those spicy reads.
In fact i don’t really like this slot. I think they’re trying to fake a "lolmeme" playstyle.

Vote Execute Hel

If Hel is who I believe she is (maybe someone can confirm this for me), lolmeme is NAI for her. That said I'm not feeling great about the slot either and it's hard to really put my finger on what's different about it. Can you try and say what exactly you find fake about the playstyle in this case?

@Hel

It would be helpful to get a readlist from you.

You can have a naked one if you'd like.

Not Known 15
username
Alisae
Menalque
Titus
notscience
Maki Harukawa
Moment
Datisi
Umlaut
Radical Rat
Iconeum
Something_Smart
maxwell
GuiltyLion
Hel
NorwegianboyEE

GuiltyLion dropped down because I think he'd be more involved at this point as town - based on his own self-meta that came from town!him.

[Hel]

I buy username's townslip of not knowing scum's alternate wincon. He's giving me good Port Authority vibes too so he can be my shipmaster.

hel, how ~serious~ are posts/accusations like 202?

Very serious. I'm paranoid and trying to stay out of the limelight but username isn't helping.

(/s)

I agree with 213 because cognitive load is a thing for scum, but also 216 for the way Norwee worded it. Scum-indicative sure, but "Likely scum" is stretching it.

"Likely scum" means a confident scumread, no? Though I guess you do overplay the confidence in your reads now that I think about.

Is excitement AI from Datisi?

Datisi are you excited to play?? You don't

feel

excited to play

considering i spent the last ~2.5 hours doing tedious chores, not really

I know this is a weird read, but this felt like a strange excuse for not being excited to play the game.

Like, if it was Hel:

>Do chores for 2.5 hours
>Very tedious
>Done with chores
>Can finally get into that online mafia forum words game
>Exciting!

but that's me and Datisi is a different human being person

I think username is town for the bravado and earlier townslip.

Slight scumpings from Norwee for deflecting Moment's line of questioning completely, and he feels a little less fiery than normal.

Allow me to ask my question again more specifically – what is it specifically about that question that furthers your understanding of my alignment?

This was the important part of that post.

But I also don't like Moment completely dropping the issue after Norwee dismissed him, rather than pursuing it further.

I am cyrus62.

[username, Alisae, GuiltyLion, Menalque] are my early Tomboy Daughter bloc.

username is daughterly for not knowing about one of the scum wincons early - think that was genuine. And then the bravado in reacting to my excellent Tomboy Daughter reads I like - how often do you see scum make posts like 189.

Mena mainly because he's playing really differently to last I played with scum!him. Also, I kinda like him withholding his scumreads to see what they do before he reveals them.

Why the tiger, Menalque?

Like my post said I had more stuff but I can only remember like three four of my reads because its so hard to tell all yall weebs apart

You're a weeb as well though. I can barely make you out from the other anime avatars like Maki, Umlaut, or notscience.

Hel I would love if you'd come round for a pot of tea on this here username wagon- I'll pour you some of my pa's old chamomile recipe.

I only give it to those who bleed as green as I do.

The over the top "I am a mafia god and you will feel my wrath" I find towny and I've seen so often from town and I don't think I have from scum.
Do you buy his townslip at the start?

For some reason I believe notscience genuinely didn't know who username was and I think he's probably town here.

Agree about not knowing it was Kuribo but-

Pedit
I respect your decision.

Why would you respect his decision? He's scumreading you because he thinks you knew it was him and were interested in trying to rile him up. You know this isn't true and it feels reachy to me, so why?

Anyway, if kuribo entered this game trying to be tranquil, I think he's less likely to instantly break out the not-tranquil mode as scum. I think he said somewhere that as scum he replicates some of the rage that is normal for him as town, so he'd probably manage to not lose it for slightly longer.

Taking out all the fluff and mech, this is all solving.

[Hel]

What say you, Norwee?! Do you not have pedits turned on?

[Hel]

Yeah? Some of my posts are jokes/fluff. Do you still think there's no solving from me after seeing that quote wall?

[Hel]

We’re 25 pages in and only been in game 48 hours. More people are guilty of fluffposting than hell lol.

You tell him, Umlaut! Sorry if I got your name wrong, still trying to sort between all the anime pfps.

[Hel]

Sure you’ve got some posts that aren’t fluff. But the fact that 50% of them are essentially filler is what caught my eye.

Both of your eyes are closed though. I don't buy it.

[Hel]

You tell him, Umlaut! Sorry if I got your name wrong, still trying to sort between all the anime pfps.

If it’s easier I can change it to my favorite anime character, spongebob

Spongebob is pretty distinct so that would help, but we all know Gary is the true protagonist of that anime, so he'd be even better.

@Datisi: The list is actually serious. A lot of them are just gut or ~feelings~ though. I put myself low to give myself some cover.

[Hel]

VoteCount 1.9

NorwegianboyEE [2] - Hel, Moment

I am shipping...

Wheat

[3] - Datisi, Hel, Moment

Let's Inspect...

Copper

[2] - Hel, Moment

[Hel]

@notscience: Norwee's not towntold in any way yet. I've got a reliable-ish way of reading him nowadays. Outside of that I guess it's tone, and the way he attacked me felt kinda fabricated.

I like GuiltyLion's recent posts and want to jester him less than before.

[Hel]

Why do you townread me GL?

I like all of your reads and pushes holistically, especially that one where you gave reads on all the players you've played with, I feel like you're seeing the game the same way I am and I don't smell any bs in your pushes

I didn't like this though.

Titus

Alisae

Maki Harukawa

username
Moment

GuiltyLion

Something_Smart

Datisi

Not Known 15

maxwell

Menalque

Hel
Iconeum
Radical Rat
notscience

Umlaut

So these are my current thoughts.
Green: Player i am familiar with that i townread.
Yellow: Player i'm familiar with that i do not currently townread.

This doesn't even have reasons attached. How can you "especially like" it?

[Hel]

True, I guess I shouldn't talk about meta if I'm alting. Too late now though.

[Hel]

notscience asked why and I explained. The meta side isn't gonna sell him ofc but it's part of the reason why my vote is on you. Transparency and all that.

Let's talk about something else then. How do you feel about a Tomboy Daughter being in [Something_Smart, Radical Rat, Iconeum]?

[Hel]

Okay, new plan:

I am a new player and am new to mafia scum. I didn't enter the newbie queue because the players there looked intimidating. I have no meta to use and no baggage to carry. I am free with the wind.

[Hel]

VOTE: Iconeum

Thanks for scumclaiming. I'm not moving my vote until Ico or I is dead.

[Hel]

Idk lol, but apparently I'm supposed to be deathtunneling him.

[Hel]

Okay, new plan:

I am a new player and am new to mafia scum. I didn't enter the newbie queue because the players there looked intimidating. I have no meta to use and no baggage to carry. I am free with the wind.

But you literally described having such familiarity with me that you'd know what my towngame looks like.

You seemed mysterious so I looked up your meta and read a few games of yours. I'm a fan.

I hail from epicmafia.

[Hel]

What other shipmaster claims did you take seriously, Ico? Also, why don't you like me?

[Hel]

You don't see a difference between Not Known 15's claim and all the joke claims? You can just tell NK15 isn't the type to joke around, and his claim looks serious in the way he way he lays out a plan after claiming.
In contrast to that, the other "claims" are brief and obviously jokes from people who have otherwise joked around this game.

Don't go trying to dumbtell with me, Ico; you really don't see a difference there?

[Hel]

Okay, Enough is Enough.

I am the Port Authority. I was waiting to claim to gauge reactions to Not Known's claim before this. I even distanced from the role by calling it "shipmaster".

As the IC Port Authority, I now have full control over this game. Starting from now, you must ask me for permission whenever you want to do any of the following:

• Place a vote
• Ask a question
• Grab a pagetop
• Post a non-anime meme

Breaking any of these rules will be considered a scumclaim. Once I am happy with the day's content, I will post someone's name, and we will IMMEDIATLEY

lynch

clown that person, no questions asked.

[Hel]

maxwell, you grabbed a pagetop without asking for my permission, but I will forgive this, since it was before I posted. Careful for next time.

[Hel]

What's the advantage to scum for getting shipmaster to claim? I can actually kinda believe NOt Known would take 7 seriously, and try and provide "cover".

But if he was doing that, why try and seize complete control? Not Known, don't you think shipmaster!Menalque would counterclaim you after you do something like that which is very beneficial to scum?

UNVOTE:

[Hel]

VOTE: Norwee

I can definitely see a universe where NK15 believes everything he's said about fakeclaiming, I've seen people take joke claims like Menalque's at the start of the game far more seriously than they warrant before. There's a universe where he's scum who believed Menalque's claim and was trying to take advantage of it, but he probably runs the plan through the scum PT, and I'd hope there'd be at least one person there that would point out Menalque's claim was a joke and that his plan is insane.

So, probably town.

[Hel]

I agree with the tiger

[Hel]

What do you think about what I said, Azelf? Why do you think scum!NK15 makes that play?

[Hel]

What do you think about what I said, Azelf? Why do you think scum!NK15 makes that play?

To spew anyone who clearly believed him as not the daughter.

Oh, that's a good point actually.

[Hel]

Woah, did all the posts just shift one space up or something

[Hel]

What do you think about what I said, Azelf? Why do you think scum!NK15 makes that play?

To spew anyone who clearly believed him as not the daughter.

Oh, that's a good point actually.

No, it is not. The daughter can(not must) freely choose to

believe me

because the real PA is going to out themselves and stop it.

His point is that the Daughter has to feign ignorance of knowledge that you're lying, while other players can react naturally and potentially spew themselves as not-Daughter.

[Hel]

or this one; it feels like Hel is playing "maybe this vote is serious and maybe it isn't."

My progression on Ico:
>Vote is 100% a joke when initially placed
>Him claiming not to be able to make out the difference between NK15 and other claims I disliked and questioned him on
>He claimed Port Authority

[Hel]

I really like Moment actually - irrespective of whatever NK15 is.

[Hel]

The current shipping/inspect wagons mean very little tbh. I assume we're gonna get Ico to pick the 2 scummiest people from an agreed pool of scummy people to check.

I'm not moving off Wheat fyi though

[Hel]

Mena what’s your towncore?

(Me, datisi, moment, username, icon)

I think my overall reads have progressed something like:

Dats, moment, username, icon - town
RR, S_S
Max - townlean
NK, ali
Titus, hel, umlaut - null
GL
Norwee, maki
Notscience

I'm

NULL

??

[Hel]

How could you ask me to depart from my beloved Wheat, Ico??

That pool of 3 and execution seems really weird to me. I hope you have a confessional PT where you explain these picks that we can read post game.

Inspect: Wheat

Execute: Maki

I'm gonna relish my wheat for a little longer before I move off.

[Hel]

Well, Maki makes some sense to me. I agree her coming back and having nothing to say on all the events is scum-indicative. My pool of 3 though would be [Norwee, maxwell, Radical Rat].

[Hel]

Radical Rat's early Menalque read where they say they want to lynch him because they can't read him is kinda openly scummy. It either comes from scum angling to make it look like a post which scum would never make, so it looks like town, or town who really just doesn't care about how they look - since that post can very easily be perceived as scummy, and town most of the time care about how they look too.

[Hel]

You don't need multiple reasons to town/scumread someone in a holistic sense, Maxwell. Things can often get blurry and unclear when you factor in more and more elements. I like to hang onto 1 or 2 town or scum-indicative reasons.

For the rest of Radical Rat's posting though: They have this style where they propose a hypothesis, then provide evidence that points away from the hypothesis, but then make a conclusion matching the hypothesis anyway. I find that kind of weird hedging scum-indicative and they've done it a few times now.

If you have reason to believe they could be a tomboy daughter, let me know why and I'll back off.

[Hel]

Agree that this game will be a lot less fun if we sheep Ico's lynch choice every day. Let's do the IC picks between the two lynches plan tomorrow please.

I will miss Maki but it is better this way. We all know Donnie Brasco and I would clash in a heated 1v1 at some point this game; there's simply not enough space for two Ultimates in this town.

As for her alignment, I don't think the last couple of pages are very AI so she's still pretty nully. I wouldn't even switch her out for any of the 3-person pool though. Since that's occupied by a townread, a townlean, and a null town.

[Hel]

I've savoured my Wheat for long enough I guess. Ico is a cruel dictator to force me off it.

Ship: Copper

[Hel]

Yeah I dont really feel confident in this clown after the past page

What did Maki do that made you less confident on this leprechaun?

[Hel]

Here you go, S_S:

Spoiler:

[Hel]

What did I tell ya guys. This is why I had utmost confidence in that pool.

Let's investigate a new group of 3 while lynching notscience.

[Norwee, Umlaut, maxwell] ?

[Hel]

Is Moment scum solely for asking Ico to reconsider? The rest of their posting exudes town.

I still want [Norwee, Umlaut, maxwell]

[Hel]

Norwee, why are you suddenly so confident on Datisi being scum? Just for starting to lurk it out?

[Hel]

Something_Smart is one of my favourite players on this site.

[Hel]

Norwee's openwolfing has actually made me less confident on notscience + Norwee. Like, isn't this a game losing play for scum!him? Given notscience is leading wagon and it's doubtful he can change so many people's minds. Also, he went for Datisi over Moment who actually had some initial voters. He might be town if notscience is scum lol. If notscience is town, he can still be scum because he's acting scummy and might just be doing this because he knows scum!Datisi/Moment aren't getting lynched today.

Inspecting too many people is actually a bad idea. Let's shrink the investigative pool to [Umlaut, GuiltyLion]. GuiltyLion doesn't have nearly enough posts.

[Hel]

Actually, we should just reinspect everyone that clearly isn't the Daughter because there's only benefits to it. Not Moment/Datisi yet though in case notscience flips town.

[Not Known, Umlaut, GuiltyLion] - and let's add in Umlaut and GuiltyLion because they're shady.

Tomorrow, we should definitely inspect Datiti + Moment, regardless of who else we add in.

[Hel]

Time to be reacquainted with my deluxe Wheat.

Ship: Wheat

[Hel]

Titus, why is Umlaut scum by VCA?

[Hel]

GuiltyLion because they're shady.

Why am I shady? Is it just activity level for you? Which of my reads do you disagree with?

That's right. Solely activity levels.

[Hel]

Hel get your grubby little hands off of my precious wheat.

How dare you. I'm gonna enjoy these fibres for as long as possible.

[Hel]

Oh RR is on wheat.
Hel get off wheat so we can get a lynch already.

Okay, fine. Norwee scares me.

Ship: Copper

Also, random thought, but what if we all have Tomboy Daughter role PMs and the mod is trolling us?

[Hel]

VOTE: notscience

Oh, is this hammer?

UNVOTE: notscience in case it wasn't

[Hel]

I want to be in the flavour

[Hel]

First

VOTE: Umlaut

[Hel]

Alisae could be scum as well for pushing Moment and calling notscience town because of that loose maxwell(?) reasoning, where they looked at the posts reacting to Ico's Tea choice.

[Hel]

The GuiltyLion thing is a legit thing. He said it himself. As scum, his posts will be really towny but they'll just be far less frequent.

[Hel]

Ship: Wheat

I told you Norwee was town if notscience-scum. Should've went with Umlaut/GuiltyLion as the inspect. I forgive you all though, but only as long as you let me ship wheat today.

[Hel]

hel, what's your thoughts on umlaut? and where did guiltylion say that?

I metaed him and somewhere in the Philosophers normal game.

Umlaut feels really off tonally and unnatural compared to his cheery town weedle/caterpie self. I'll post reasons and quotes when I'm at a portable computer maybe.

[Hel]

The next god damn time I tell y'all someone tripped my scum tell I hope you'll Fucking listen instead of pussyfooting around


Don't ever stand between Kuribo and his prey


Hey notsci, have fun in the dead thread, and I'll make sure your head goes somewhere nice in my trophy room of fallen scum

I feel very dumb, but I'm in awe.

This is some really weird buddying.

I still sincerely doubt notscience knew username was kuribo before he claimed kuribo.

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notscience was pinging me towards the end of that day, and once tea was found, he was scummier than Datisi/Moment who I townleaned and townread, so yeah, he was my guess for scum there.

Also, I realised Umlaut was the counterwagon to notscience and suddenly that read makes a lot less sense.

[Hel]

maxwell, I declared notscience as scum of the 3 right away, but never voted or made a show of pushing him. That's a lot of easy towncred passed up if I'm scum. Your argument is weak.

You're in the scum pool, and I'm not just saying that because you're a waterfall.

[GuiltyLion, maxwell, Alisae, Umlaut(?)]

[Hel]

Is it a good kind of confusion though? I'm going for a new look.

[Hel]

i have a strong preference to investigate datis + moment without adding anyone

Agree. We shouldn't be adding anyone on top of that for today.

The new investigates can wait until tomorrow.

Datisi, if GuiltyLion was an unnamed player, I would be townleaning his content.

[Hel]

There's no way I'm leaving Wheat though. You can't make me for a 3rd! time in a row. I need it.

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Beat that, Something_Smart.

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Do I need to ship copper?

[Hel]

Truth be told, I didn't see your post, Hobbes.
Here's my progression on notscience as far as I can remember:
>said I was bleeding green and offered me chamomile tea which made me feel good about myself. I townleaned him
>towards the later part of day 1, he was slightly pinging me because some of his posts felt fake, especially his passion about catapulting Unknown 15
>start of day 2, we got notscience (unsure read), Datisi (a townlean), and Moment (a townread), so yeah, I'm immediately thinking notscience is scum

[Hel]

Still think we should be just investigating Datisi + Moment. Adding someone and then getting tea would be a really annoying result. We should check them both on their own at the free price of no tomboy daughter information given away.

[Hel]

That's a good point. We could include Not Known I guess since he's spewed not!Daughter, although I'm pretty sure he's town anyway.

[Hel]

Btw, I still think GuiltyLion is scum, and if we do included a third, he would be my pick. I don't buy his excuses for not doing "more because of the nature of the setup". I know it must suck to have this kinda meta used against you if I'm right, Hobbes, but you're the one who provided the self-meta lol

Also, his push on me is something he kinda needs to do as scum since he knows it's gonna be near impossible for him to budge my read on him.

[Hel]

I'm already falling behind on keeping up with this game and it'll only get worse so should I just ship copper too? I can see myself being a big missteamroll candidate for tomorrow.

[Hel]

I think investigating Datisi/Moment probably returns no tea so my hope is to attach and confirm myself. I don't think the daughter loss is a big deal if I'm gonna be eliminated/inspected tomorrow anyway.

Pedit: You get a thrill from being scumread you sicko?

[Hel]

Ship: Copper

Thanks for the support, Titus.

Alright, we're all set for you to deny this check and play the WIFOM game, Ico. Scum will never dare to think that the daughter would cannon herself into the check only for her pa to deny it. Makes no sense.

[Hel]

Okay with checking Hel: Titus, Maxwell

Not okay with checking Hel: Menalque, Ico

More votes please.

[Hel]

Fine, fine, stop screaming at me in the PT already.

Ship: Wheat

[Hel]

Come drunkpost in the PT, Ico. This is too risky.

[Hel]

This is one of Moment's longest absences from the thread. Coincidence???

[Hel]

Inspect: Linen

You gotta think outside of the box.

[Hel]

VOTE: Moment

Z-1

They did disappear for a couple of days in a previous day phase, and it seems their waking time is around 3 to 4 hours from now, so holding off on the hammer might be a good idea.

[Hel]

Actually, more like 1.5 to 3 hours from now.

[Hel]

VOTE: Alisae

First

[Hel]

Ship: Wheat

Inspect: Linen

[Hel]

2. We guaranteed win. Incinerate Alisae, inspect one of maxwell/Datisi.

[Hel]

All we need to do now is obfuscate the Tomboy Daughter and it's easy game.
I'll start us off:
Titus isn't the Tomboy Daughter because she was too angry yesterday and disagreed too much with Ico. It wasn't theatre because of the way it was.

[Hel]

Sorry about that, Hobbes lol. Point taken not to read you off activity.

I secretly knew Umlaut was the Tomboy Daughter all along; I was just

pretending

to scumread him all those times, fooled you all, didn't I.......