Datisi is actually the designer of the setup, I just want to mod it.
I can add Datisi to the topic if desired.
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:14 pm
by implosion
Primary: Nexus
Secondary: mastina
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:50 pm
by mastina
To my eyes, balanced enough. Alien is a good role for the town here with strong kill-denial and some denial of info to the scum PRs, but does have some anti-synergy with the town's power roles; pt cop is a reasonably strong investigative, but has some anti-synergy with the friendly neighbor neighbors (who're, essentially, masons); the friendly neighbor neighbors are, essentially, masons; the scum PRs don't give them any hard-counters to the town PRs but give them extra information to work with.
But I'm the secondary reviewer here so it's more Nexus's call here.
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:19 pm
by Datisi
hello
when i asked george what kinda setup he wants me to make, i was told "let there be an alien" and "no neapolitans", so if anything gotta be changed, can't be that
i have not written role PMs yet and will do so as soon as we agree on the setup
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:29 pm
by GeorgeBailey
I wanted a beholder too but we scrapped that quickly cause the role sounded kinda unfun.
But yeah, I pretty much wanted to base it around the Alien since it's a role I almost never see.
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:32 pm
by Datisi
oh right, daytalk enabled for all PTs, and i'm erring to the side of scum having multitasking enabled by default, but if it's too much i wouldn't cry about it if we removed it i guess
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:47 am
by Datisi
i lied, i wrote the role PMs already (bump)
also i know the win condition of the Town in the newbie queue has changed due to the term change, (and these use the old one), so i'm not sure if the normal queue is also regulated and if it's necessary to change it here too?
Spoiler: role PMs
[game PM: "
Playername
's alignment is
Town
."]
[game PMs: "
Playername
has access to a private topic.", "
Playername
does not have access to a private topic.", "You receive no result."]
[game PMs: "
Playername
targeted
name
.", "
Playername
did not target anyone.", "You receive no result."]
[game PMs: "
Playername
was targeted by
name(s)
.", "
Playername
was not targeted by anyone.", "You receive no result."]
when i asked george what kinda setup he wants me to make, i was told "let there be an alien" and "no neapolitans", so if anything gotta be changed, can't be that
i have not written role PMs yet and will do so as soon as we agree on the setup
Unfortunately, the only way to balance this setup will be to add some neapolitans
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:58 am
by implosion
There's been some discussion about changing the town win condition wording; nothing concretely decided yet.
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:09 am
by Datisi
would "You win when there are no longer any threats to Town." and "You win when there are no longer any threats to the Mafia, or nothing can prevent this from occuring." work? (once when i was scum my wincon was worded as "when threats to the Mafia have been eliminated" and i thought calling the Town a threat to Mafia was really neat)
i dunno if it's necessary to change in these role PMs but for the sake of some sorta normalcy or consistency of the wincons being unambiguous then i guess
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 11:54 am
by implosion
Technically (and this actually applies to your original wording!) you should have a clause "and at least one [town/mafia] player is alive" as well, to avoid both sides winning if everyone dies (which can't happen in this setup but etc).
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:04 pm
by Datisi
zzz why are words difficult
"You win when there are no longer any threats to Town and at least one Town player is alive."
"You win when there are no longer any threats to the Mafia (or nothing can prevent this from occuring) and at least one Mafia player is alive."
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:11 pm
by GeorgeBailey
If neaps make the setup balanced then sure lmao.
I just see them a ton, which is why I was joking around that they're banned.
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:15 pm
by Datisi
i once wanted to have a traffic analyst in my game but the reviewers made me replace it with a neapolitan
oh the horror
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:52 pm
by Nexus
sorry I forgot about this. will be reading shortly.
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:01 am
by Nexus
Looks balance. Now reading the role PMs.
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:02 am
by Nexus
Can I see your rule set too
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:02 am
by Nexus
Role PMs look fine. Are you letting a Mafia use their power and kill at the same time?
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:24 am
by Datisi
yes, i was thinking of including multitasking. that fine?
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 6:43 am
by Nexus
I think so, although i would be open to making it so as they can only do it if they are the last one alive.
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Then in a separate post i'd say like "Mafia has daytalk, Mafia has multitasking, etc"
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 8:10 pm
by Nexus
I hate rule 12. I don’t think it’s the mods job to police the content of posts.
In post 1, GeorgeBailey wrote:Prodging - A naked "prod dodge" does not reset the prod timer. To avoid being prodded/replaced for inactivity, include some game advancing content in your prodges, such as "got prodded; xxxx is still scum."
Jake didnt post in 3 days and the only thing he said was about getting a page top. I agree that it isnt the mods job to police content, but I think the rule is more of policing activity.
But if the rule is that bad I'll remove it. That's just my plea :p
