Newbie 2019 | Game Over!

[word321]

helo to yall
im ur new micc
Ill try catching up from page 10 or somethin to make it easier for me
But why dnt yall help me? try telling me what u think is the current situation and general impressions on every player
any specific commentary that sticked, attitude, etc
Ill try to hasten it so we can have some good conversation before deadline, but we rly need to wrap a list of possible hammers at this point, least we find ourselfs finding someone to hammer at the last minute; remember that not everyone is on the same timezone, so we need at least 24 hours so that everyone can confirm/vote a given candidate

[word321]

If micc is scum than word321 is too!

Wait. If I am the scum, would that make Micc a scum too?

[word321]

I just isoed red to see what taht was about. before sharing a opinion on red, first I want u to address somethin:
U said u read 2 Italianos games to solidify ur opinion. Firs of all, u already stated u thought italiano was town before, when he first pushed. Did u read it at that point? If not, why did u find the need to search for previous games of Italiano?
Finally, why those changed ur opinion? Care to elaborate what u found and why it is consistent with town Italiano?

[word321]

If micc is scum than word321 is too!

Either way, its good to begin addressing this now.
From what I saw, u thought Micc was scum cause he focused on sorting newbies more than SEs. Is there anything new that makes u blv my slot have higher chances to flip red? Or is it based on attitude alone?

[word321]

can u elaborate?

[word321]

I reread miccs iso. But those r not new arguments; u r reiterating what was said on 291, aint ya? Micc has no real activity after that event for days.

Ur activity can be resumed on the following 4 sentences:
1. Textbook Call outs (like too much information, sudden changes of reads with too little information, etc)
2. Helping from a technical point of view (the likes of how to use a quote, that time analysis and the like r generally not indicative cause ppl have a life, etc)
3. The "townslip" from 318
4. The push on Micc, best explained at 291

Considering that we r 9 days in, that is a extremely low amount of information. Now, there is a thing with D1, and that is that u can usually make as easily a scum case on someone as u can a towncase, and hunting is more "blind" by the low avaibility of information; some ppl advocate for policy hammers only and whatnots, yada yada.

But theres a lack of general hunting for possible associations; Micc has an extremely low activity compared to other slots, and due to the posts he made and the replacement, I bl it is bc he is simply busy. The reason for the push is not solid either; I dnt know exacctly what he was thinking, but Im under the impression he was actively sorting newbie slots and helping newbie slots get the gist of how to hunt effectively. I also try to help newbie slots, so I can empathize with that if that was the case; from that point of view, it would make sense to go first after newbie slots to see how they react and whatnots.

There is this strategy that can be used by scum: faking actual activity by latching on a single suspect in the game for the day, and advocating for it. It is a way to counter accusations of lurking.

So, I see u on the red side of things. But by all means, change my mind! Go iso some players, make some associations, and whatever u want; unless u r the hammer, u probably still have a day. I dnt care if u continue to develop my slot on anything new; but

Give something else so we can actually sort ur slot, and not just reject it by not having nothing.

[word321]

Ill review every slot, but for now, im ok parking my vote here, if only for nominal reasons, until I have a full grasp of the board.
VOTE: T-Bone

[word321]

oh, thank u. I just think I needed to rectify Miccs mistakes as scum, after all, and maybe gather some towncred from the rest of the slots. It wasnt particularly easy going through ur ISO and finding reasons to suspect u, tho!

But rly, do try to update ur game a lil bit. As it is going, its rly hard to find ur partner with what we have rn. R u rly that afraid of outting them?

[word321]

come on, dnt be shy. Do u like the interactions btw red and the italian? Are u storing someone for tomorrow or not?

[word321]

im back here

[word321]

I just isoed red to see what taht was about. before sharing a opinion on red, first I want u to address somethin:
U said u read 2 Italianos games to solidify ur opinion. Firs of all, u already stated u thought italiano was town before, when he first pushed. Did u read it at that point? If not, why did u find the need to search for previous games of Italiano?
Finally, why those changed ur opinion? Care to elaborate what u found and why it is consistent with town Italiano?

Order of operations:
-I read Italiano as scum
-I read Italiano as town
-(I read one of Italiano's games)
-I post that I read one of Italiano's games and that I think he's town
-(I read Italiano's other game)
-I post that I read on of Italiano's other games and that I think he's town.

I hope that was enough that you feel ready to share your opinion on me.

there r still 2 points I want:
1. WHY did u read his games (and there is no correct answer; just give me ur thought process on why it was worthwhile to invest time on reading one of his ganes)
2. What did u see on those games, maybe in a broad way, to make u think he was more townie for this

[word321]

And now about the thing with T-Bone

[word321]

First of all, I am on the understanding that Newbie games r one of the ways to introduce newbies to the meta of the site, while at the same trying, trying of course to make it a pleasurable experience so they do come back, and find thegame fun.
On that premise, I find that baiting another SE is completely in line to teaching this ways, understanding that emotional appeal and deception is, indeed, an important comoponent of the game.
But I do understand that it can be quite heavy for some newbies, so due to respect to ur opinion on the matter, Ill try to avoid using them if possible.

And second. At first, ur reaction pinged quite strange, but after u clarified it, now I understand more or less ur thought process: u though I was baiting for a emotional response in bad faith, so as to (supposedly) incriminate u; that seems to make u angry.
But that is not entirely truth; it was indeed a bait to a reaction, but if u were scum, it is being selfconcious of someone latching on u and caughing on ur act; it is to see if u were rly going to up ur game to adapt to something that would bait reppercusion (like it did with MB), and how u would react to it. So it was kind of in bad faith, but probably different from what u think (I STILL am QUITE impressed that u think I am scum so much that ur thought process is to go directly for the baiting emotions on bad faith, wich is quite something to be honest).

Ur reaction is a rotund town; first of all, I find that 100% of the ppl that Ive seen so far always talk about bad tactics for newbies in good faith; ive never seen someone decieve with the format of a game, and it is one of the unspoken rules that u simply dnt use that to make an argument; that rly shows ur reaction is genuine. And of course, given that u were thinking the worst and that it didnt make urself self aware but angry, I am to say that u r pretty much town; u simply cant fake those things.

The argument above is self demostrating that baiting actually works, and there is no person more honest than an angry person. That is a valid type of play, albeit it can cause a lot of problems if handled in a poor manner; we must always remember this is a game, and not real life. So im downing my tone from now on; but it is at least good to let the newbies know this kind of things.

UNVOTE: T-Bone

[word321]

I do not understand that post, or why you are backing down from this scumread.

think of a world where t bone is a scum that is latching on a player to try to stay out of the radar and dsnt talk about anyone else; now think on a situation when someone heavily calls u out for that, maybe in even in a (Battle-mage solefocused) way. How does scum react?
Well, as I said earlier, the argument is selfdemostrating; u pretty much cant fake ur reaction as scum. That is the purpose of baiting.

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U were a player that refused to look outside the slot and I didnt know a priori what exactly ur reaction would be to that post; it was intended to give soemthing of ur personna

[word321]

U cant fake that kind of reaction as scum; so the bait worked as intended

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1. WHY did u read his games (and there is no correct answer; just give me ur thought process on why it was worthwhile to invest time on reading one of his ganes)

I don't see the point in asking this. Why does it matter that someone read a game? It's

always

a good idea.

WHY did he decide to read a game of a player that he already townread, and do it again, given that time is a limited resource, specially considering he was the player that was attacking him?
Not only that, it tells more about what actually is Reds process when he looks for clues on town and scum than anything else; scum always try to act like town, so one of the ways to catch scum is to identify when players r going against

their own

notions of what is scummy and what is not

[word321]

I guess I can share my dilemma with red:
What has been ascertained without doubt is that red goes to great lengths to investigate every slot one way or the other; that he is not afraid to either ISO or to red past games of players.
Ive seen some townie reactions overall on his treatment of isos and such; but the question remains on wheter they r motivated for the rightful reasons, and specially the dives on Italiano seems odd for the reasons tated above. I overall dnt want to hammer this slot, and would prefer other just for the sheer commitment this guy have (that will inevetably lead to us getting more info on wheter he is ill intended or not). But there is still the point of why he went for italiano while townreading him twice in a row.
Checking for consistencies on investigations is always good, too; ive seen ppl fake metadives, or situations where ppl give 5 links to different games to ascertain a point on a player and only 2 r truly relevant. I myself have falsified probabilities to make situations seem better for one side or another, so it is ALWAYS a good idea to doublecheck on ppls arguments.

[word321]

yes; it was a townie reaction. i dnt think this is our hammer for today.

[word321]

who do u want on the gallows, porken?

[word321]

hmm
too many posts

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VOTE: Shelly
im ok tackling copycat
id rather go there than on my own slot, thats for sure
and there is a small detail, but hers was the only slot that didnt immediatly vote on gg
ill try to review later the wagon on genius on detail to see how it rly went
today im kind of busy, so ill be brief
if u have some questions, ill try to answer em if i see em

[word321]

Shelly won DESPITE me and micc, in a volatile 1v7 with a scumread as far as D1. It is no small feat to say that she played an amazing game; I specially liked when she passed as town for not understanding the kill and the such.

[word321]

Either way, how did u arrive at the conclusion that T-Bona simply decided to bus me/micc?