Newbie 2019 | Game Over!

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This is my second game here and I’m looking forward to it

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I don't like beans

but do like this vote
VOTE: GeniusGamer

I’m with ya there I don’t like beans either
Are we just randomly voting people with no reason at this stage?

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Are we just randomly voting people with no reason at this stage?

Yeah, but not necessarily for no reason. I made my vote for a reason.

Can you guess what the reason might be?

No idea what your reason could be unless it’s a follow? Unlikely though. I’m voting VOTE: Porkens Because they were the first to post

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it’s a follow?

Can you work out why I may have wanted to do that as town? as mafia?

As town it would be just a guess and seeing what their reaction would be to try and gain information would be my guess. But as scum you would vote them knowing they are town and to start to lower the numbers?

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BTW good to see you again Mini. Apologies for voting you off last game.

You too Italiano, kind of brought it on myself with not being active much.

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This seems like it will be a good game

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I don’t really have any reads at the moment either everyone is just really talking except those three that haven’t posted yet. Could be a play as scum to just not respond till questioned? Not sure

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Jeez I leave the site for an hour or so and come back to like 2 more pages at least everyone has posted now. I just gotta catch up now

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It is good to see lots of talking and to be honest I’m agreeing with many of you I don’t see how anyone can be called a lurker at this post however if it was at day 3 or something similar I would understand then. I do apologise for my comment about the non posters at the time of my post 47

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I’m a little lost wit where this conversation has gone lol

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Sorry guys I’ve been a bit busy tonight and am off to sleep will check in tomorrow morning

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I am so confused with where this conversation is heading

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To be honest I have a few reads but I am actually a little lost with what has been discussed in the past few hours but from what I have read I have a couple of reads and one who I think to be scum right now

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Minimegabyte, you've mainly said things like "I'm confused" and "I'm a little lost". Not contributing a lot of game-advancing content and seems a lot like scum to me.
VOTE: Minimegabyte

Funny how I have over 10 posts and 2 of those are ones saying I’m confused how is that mainly saying that?

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Unless shellyc, you are mafia and knowing I’m town trying to push me up. Would make sense right now considering I have after this post 15 posts and only two of them state I’m confused about conversation

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So I am going to UNVOTE: Porkens and VOTE: Shellyc

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Better than you barely posting in the RVS. Yeah okay could be a Timezone thing but what if you wanted to see everyone else post first and then come in so you had a start on where to go? Seems a little sus to me. But anyway not saying you can’t vote me but I’m not voting you just because you voted me. Purely voting you because I feel in my gut that sometime isn’t right with you just seems off

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As the "investigator" you still get attention, you are the one pushing others. That isn't directing the conversation away imo. Also a mafia would not have motivation to investigate, they would rather defend themselves.

Regarding this post here you are being lithe investigator for conversation from me. How do I know you aren’t scum?

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I will elaborate more tomorrow gotta sleep as have hospital tomorrow will get on when I have a chance

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So I am going to be off and on all day but just quickly the only people I haven’t really got any idea about is Porkens and Micc also Tbone I’m a bit unsure about. Italiano is playing like last game so I’m leaning towards town for them but that could be wrong as I am also new so reads could be off. Shellyc seems from what I have read a little bit in the middle like I thought they were scum but something tells me I’m wrong so I’m not sure everyone else seems pretty okay to me right now

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I’m gonna unvote for now as I said I’m really not sure about anyone being out right scum... UNVOTE: Shellyc

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Sorry about that I’ve been a bit busy

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Tbone can you elaborate on that question? It does not make much sense to me.

Sorry. That was a little facetious of me. I actually think Micc is mafia right now, and I was just trying to make the awkward transition from RVS vote to serious one.

Can I ask why you think Micc is scum?

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Aight. What do you find particularly scummy about Micc?

I have asked this question too

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So what we are supposed to be playing aggressively? Kinda hard when you aren’t an aggressive person

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So my criticism of the play of GeniusGamer, MiniMegabyte, and N0bleNoob is that you aren't giving opinions on people. You don't have to be "aggressive" to say that you're think that X is scum and that Y is town. Tell us who you think is scum, who you think is town, and why.

To be fair, you did say this.

After typing this all out, N0bleNoob, Mini, and GeniusGamer are all in the same category of being passive,

not being aggressive, and that's what seems scummy to me.

It's also frustrating because I would like to hear more from them.

How else are they supposed to take it?

That's fair. By be aggressive, I don't mean aggressive with your tone. It means take action, don't be afraid to have opinions and thoughts, get some skin into the game. Sorry if that was confusing or contradictory. You should be able to have opinions on players without having an "aggressive playstyle".

That makes more sense. So you want my opinions and thoughts? I’ll post them as soon as I can just I’m out atm. I do think however as tempting as it is we shouldn’t be too heavy scum reading the two that have been prodded in case they get replaced. I reckon we should see if they post before looking into them too much and just look at the active players.

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How do you feel about noble noob?

I have a thought... a really out there thought but what if Micc and noble noob are partners and giving up and that’s why they aren’t posing? As I said a really out there thought but it just crossed my mind. Of course there are probably other reasons as to why they aren’t posting

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I don’t see Micc giving up

As I said just a thought

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Italiano can I ask why you see Redados as scum? I may have missed it I would ask noblenoob the same but atm he’s been prodded and hasn’t posted

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Sometimes people don't post for reasons unrelated to the game. Don't get yourself in the habit of analyzing activity on Mafiascum, Minimegabyte. It's a bad habit, and will usually lead people to getting upset, and it will not help you find scum.

Okay makes sense sorry as I said trough it was just a thought that popped into my head and wanted to sorta just get it out as people want me to start speaking my mind a lot more

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I read the (completed) game Newbie 2005 in which ItalianoVD was town. He replaced in and immediately was lynched, but he posted a lot and it seems pretty similar to how he's been playing here.

I think that ItalianoVD is town.

This seems like a useful tool, albeit time-consuming. Do any SEs have advice for reading completed games to get information in this way?

The last game I played with Italiano he was town and acted the same as he is doing here so I agree with this based fully on my experience in the last game with him

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Votecount 1.6

Redados(2)

~ ItalianoVD(46), N0bleNoob(17)

MiniMegabyte(2)

~ Micc(19), GeniusGamer(51)

Micc(2)

~ T-Bone(21), shellyc(39)

shellyc(1)

~ Porkens(54)

N0bleNoob(1)

~ Redados(37)


Not Voting (1): MiniMegabyte(27)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-07-24 16:20:10)

Well we have just under 3 days left now. We should probably move toward consolidating one or two wagons. I really do not feel like Redados is a good elimination today. I'm just OK with Mini. Micc I am not feeling at all. ShellyC and NobleNoob would be my top two choices.

So T-Bone, Italiano, and Noob can you make a compelling case why I should join your wagons? If not can I interest you in consolidating on either shelly or Noob?

I don’t really feel we should eliminate noob because they are being replaced

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Does this mean that when all replacements are in we still have 2 days left for day 1?

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Sorry for being absent for a while but welcome to the game SJReaver and word321

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Tbone are you saying you are still sr Micc/word321?

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Because to me it seems you aren’t going to be open to any other eliminations apart from that one even though there is a replacement for that slot

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I am just saying that you should consider more than one slot as scum because they have to have a partner. Speaking of, since you are so sure on that slot... Who do you think could most likely be their partner?

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I very much still scumread word321. You can't undo the scumminess of your predaccessor.

I'd be open to other eliminations if someone presented a compelling option. Do you think Red is that compelling option? Why?

I never even gave another option to you i just said it seemed you weren't going to be open to others if they came about. My question still stands though. Who do you think the scum partner is if Micc/word321 is scum?

Like you were on Micc right from the beginning.

Vote: Micc

Statistically, one of us has to be mafia, and since I am not, obviously Micc is. This math is 100% foolproof.

You ask everyone to share their thoughts but you haven't really said anything about anyone other than the Micc slot. Can I ask why this is?

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I don't particularly see Red as scum now at the beginning it was a bit odd that they didnt want 2 votes on a particular person but since then i see no reason as to why they would be scum, however if you think they are what makes you think that? Because from what i have been reading Red isnt the one who is plagiarising posts.
I am not currently voting anyone because as I said when I unvoted shelly in post 228 I wasnt sure about anyone being scum. GeniusGamer kept their vote on me for quite a while until they noticed a wagon on Red and there being in post 411 is their first comment on how they werent getting very town-like vibes from them but never explained why? Just seems like its just a vote to go with the wagon.
I didnt ask again why you were voting the MIcc slot I asked who you thought their likely partner was.

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I'm scumreading GeniusGamer. Can someone else ISO him so I know I'm not crazy? He has said practically nothing this whole game despite posting a large amount of times.

Hesitant to vote for him because of OMGUS. But I said I was scumreading him in post #294 and I haven't seen much to change my mind since then.

On the other hand, if he is scum, I would have thought by now that his partner would have told him to correct his play. So idk. If he's scum, I don't think his partner is an SE.

I sorta started sr him above too

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VOTE: GeniusGamer

This seems to be the vote for today and I’ve stated above that I started sr them

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Well I just jumped in the site and see I have like 5 pages to catch up on...

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UNVOTE: GeniusGamer

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I’ll have to post a bit note later as I’m not home right now but being a town I don’t want my vote left on another townie

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Hello to you all, I forgot the day had started my bad. I do want to ask the question as to why a lot of people are scum reading Porkens?

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I care on to update my thoughts and things the other day to realise day had ended. Great job on getting scum though! Now let’s hope we can find the partner

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744 Okay that’s understandable I did get on and see that word321 was being voted but I didn’t vote as when I got on they were at E-1 and no claim had been made from them. When I got the time to jump back on site they had been eliminated and it was night time so if you like I can post my reads since the confirmation of the two masons and the elimination of word321

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Okay so i'm not exactly scum-reading anyone but there are 2 people that I haven't been able to really make a decision on. I have a pretty good idea though that the people listed under town are in fact town.

Town
Italiano
Shelly
Tbone
Mini
GenuisGamer

Unsure
Porkens
Redados

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So now there is suspicion on Italiano when wasnt he the one that everyone was saying that he was town from the beginning? I am not eaxctly confident on this as he is playing exactly the same as the game i last played with him where he was town.

Then again this was the only game i have ever played with them as it was my first ever game on site.
I can see all the points you are all making but for some reason in my gut i don't feel Italiano is scum here.

Of course if the vote goes through and i am wrong then obviously i have a lot of thinking to do because i am not doing something right.

Because of everything i have explained above, i am not going to vote Italiano unless someone can change my mind because to me it seems unlikely.

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Okay so if we were going off you theory of distancing would you then say that post 16 is a way of distancing extremely early?

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=83349

There is that game. However as i did state this is the only game i have played with Italiano and my very first game on the server

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MAY I ASK WHERE YOUR DEFENSE IS. it's been 1 hour dude

Honestly ive been thinking the same and ive been refreshing this page so much. No defense or either a really long defensive message. Im starting to feel like maybe i might have been wrong...

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Maybe he could be typing out a really massive defensive paragraph

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Chill Shelly. We have time. I’m writing.

Yikes this is going to be interesting to read

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Me: refreshes the page every 5 mins
Italiano: still writing an essay

Lol I am distracting myself with netflix and after every episode of supernatural i am checking here for that essay and still nothing

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Well it’s like 10pm here and I have physio in the morning so I need to sleep. Will catch up in the morning hopefully there’s mire info then

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So if most of us are sure Porkens is scum, what are we waiting for instead of eliminating him? Because if people are so sure then there should be no need for extra discussion time. However unless you are doubting that porkens is in fact not scum and he is actually town in that case why are they being voted up?

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Because if people are so sure then there should be no need for extra discussion time.

Did you just scumslip? Town would definitely want and need discussion time; it is our way of finding the scum.

The current plan: Porkens -> Italiano -> the f4 with me, you, Redados, and T-Bone

We need to sort out the future of town. The different possibilities that may arise, even though Porkens is scummiest right now.

I was just asking the question that if people were so sure about Porkens being scum why hasn’t he already been eliminated

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But if we are looking ahead at the possibility that Porkens is town then I guess I understand but if we are looking at the possibility of Porkens being town to me that is doubt and we need to seriously look at why they are being eliminated and see whether we are eliminating the right person today

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I've basically agreed to be the elimination and Italiano has agreed to be the elimination tomorrow.

MiniMegabyte see this. This is gamesolving, making sure the scum is eventually eliminated

Can I just say something, two people being scum read the most right now both willing to be eliminated? Doesn’t that seem to you that they may both be town? I’m not sure

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So if most of us are sure Porkens is scum, what are we waiting for instead of eliminating him? Because if people are so sure then there should be no need for extra discussion time. However unless you are doubting that porkens is in fact not scum and he is actually town in that case why are they being voted up?

Weird bout of impatience here. What is this?

Dont mean for it to come accross that way i was just trying to understand is all

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Sorry about not being around much..

So where are we at there has been a lot of discussion but I don’t see any real results coming from it. From what I see the set in stone eliminations are going Porkens then Italiano. If say Italiano And Porkens are both town who would be next?

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Redados / T-Bone / You are the eliminations from my PoV (f4 situation), T-Bone is the proposed and probable elim for now

Okay why all of a sudden Tbone can I ask?

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1. You've townslip over and over again. MiniMegabyte is TR, but noob town, and might not be really helpful in mylo.
2. I like Redados' posting and they literally pivoted the wagon to word321. He also did WIFOM analysis and read Porkens' games. I don't think a scum would waste time doing that.
3. Sure, T-Bone megabussed but redteam of the listmods could bring next-level thinking. Also his posting is the scummiest of the trio, and NKA fits.

Nothing set in stone, but I'd prefer Red / T-Bone as the elims in that situation.

Okay makes sense I just from my perspective see Tbone as a town

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I guess we have to look at it from all angles in case we are that wrong though hopefully we aren’t and yes hopefully we are right with Porkens

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I agree this is going a lot slower than yesterday. Is that because we are all so sure about Porkens?

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This is going nowhere, maybe Porkens gave up? He's V/LA but we dont know for how long

Activity overview says Porkens V/LA ends August 1st

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I could hammer now but is that fair when Porkens hasn’t posted in a while?

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We all died shelly lol

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Also Tbone what do you mean

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hammer away.

So... is anybody going to hammer Porkens?

Talking keeps happening I don’t wanna cut them off by hammering Porkens while they are talking

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Sorry for not posting till now I haven’t had power all day which means no internet. What makes you think I’m scum all of a sudden Tbone?

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I’ve done as much analyzing as I can do. Apparently we cannot agree on who to eliminate.

@Shellyc: you’re right. I don’t know. I can’t give an answer that makes real sense. I let TBone and Red talk me out of it. I will vote for myself again, but no one wants to pull the trigger, so this day will be prolonged and boring again. And maybe my vote on you is wrong, maybe not. I’m kinda lost. I did say I’d be voting for Red, but him not hammering me and being reluctant that I be at L1 made me question and rethink that slot again, which is why I am voting you right now. Mini hasn’t given her thoughts yet. We’re at somewhat of a standstill.

Listen I will do a final analysis and give you my final thoughts and then I will layeth the smacketh down on myself and we can move on. Maybe I can count on Mini to hammer me since TBone and Red don’t want to do it.

I’m not sure I would like my vote on you either... as I have said previously I still to this point think you’re town and a town voting a town on such a strong gut feeling to me would be wrong in so many ways

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Although Shelly's insistence that we follow through with the death pact looks kinda desperate? Idk

It could be desperation, or it could be just following from what was decided yesterday. Although I have to say a few of us were so sure on Porkens being scum and now they have flipped maybe we need to revisit that wagon and see if we can pick apart who voted when and see if we can get any scummy type vibes from anyone voting when they did. In relation to Shellys vote so quickly on Italiano before discussion even began I don’t think is a strong point to go on either

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I honestly can’t remember about D1 but D2 I know I was really unsure about it as everyone kept talking and let’s face it if I had hammered in the middle of discussion you would probably be calling me scum right now

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1. The death pact is dumb and only helpful to scum.

Why do you say this T-Bone

I can see that because it would give scum the opportunity to minimise our discussion time

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I mean I can see your point of me not being on many wagons. I guess that just because I don’t wanna be told I’m scum for eliminating the wrong person. However if you’re so sure I’m scum then sure go ahead and eliminate me. I’m telling you though if I get eliminated you’ll only have to go into tomorrow cause I won’t flip scum. But I do see your point

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At this point I’m pretty sure Italiano is town like I’ve been saying for a while. However I’m not really getting anything really readable from Tbone red or Shelly but I’m gonna do more reading over and over see if I can find something that will help in case I am the elimination even if I’m not it would be nice for you all to see where I am at with my reads and stuff

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Tbone I can see being town because otherwise why would they stop a townie elimination? So that tells me that they are town. I mean to me Shelly seems to be following why others are saying a bit like you started on me then they voted me not long after but I guess that could be nai

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I’m not getting anything from Red though maybe I’m just missing things I dunno

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Anyway it’s nearly midnight here I’ll jump on again tomorrow as it seems most discussion happens when I’m sleeping

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Okay so who are we looking at eliminating today? So far I see discussion on both me and shelly. There is a lot of talk about how shelly sheeps when making reads etc.

Something I now see that Porkens was trying to allude to was the way Shelly sheeps. She writes her reads and thoughts as if she came up with it, but literally says what another person says almost word for word. For me it’s a bit different from the way Mini has done it or may do it. I still stand on the basis that that’s not necessarily alignment indicative, but I will say it’s very weird. Why do you do that Shelly?

Honestly what do you expect from me? Accurately point out the scum with a compelling wall of text on my FIRST GAME on forum mafia?

No I don’t think that’s what they mean but I can see how both you and I do it I think they mean we need to see things for ourself more than following others? I’m inexperienced with this too but it’s how we learn. Doing for ourself and if it ends badly then I guess we know for next time. But I think the others want more of our original thoughts rather than thoughts following others.

On that subject what exactly makes you think I’m scum Shelly? Because right now you could be seen as scum for the same reason I am. However we all know that there is only one scum remaining. We aren’t going to be perfect our first few games but still have fun with it.

Red can I ask where you are at with your thoughts?

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I am feeling like Shelly or Mini is the scum. Leaning towards Mini. Voting Shelly.

Didn't Redados just say this MiniMegabyte

Sorry completely missed that post

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On that subject what exactly makes you think I’m scum Shelly? Because right now you could be seen as scum for the same reason I am. However we all know that there is only one scum remaining. We aren’t going to be perfect our first few games but still have fun with it.

- Look at what I said in #1101 and #1102, you scumslipped
- From a PoE perspective, because T-Bone isn't a likely MiccWord partner, Redados' posting feels town to me, and Italiano's willing to sacrifice for town's good.
- I've been talking, listing suspects, and voting, even though what I said might be a little similar to others, because of my inexperience. You've not been very active, and haven't voted, and haven't discussed / engaged much AT ALL.

Okay look I will understand if I’m the elimination for today but if I am I wish you all the best for tomorrow

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Oh would it? I didn’t even actually realise sorry my bad

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Didn’t realise we were already at that

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Well if that’s the case I advise not eliminating me and trying to find the scum

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Okay looks like you are all pretty confident it’s me. I can see why but I am just a Vanilla Town. If you do end up hammering me I wish you the best of luck for tomorrow.


In my opinion I think either Shelly is scum really just a gut feeling. To me something seems off and I’m not quite sure how to explain it.

VOTE: Shellyc

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Good luck tomorrow hope you eliminate the right person then