Newbie 2019 | Game Over!

[GeniusGamer]

Hmm... interesting. Now, how shall we begin fruitful discussion?

[GeniusGamer]

I guess I want to know what the thread title is 2019 instead of 2020.

This is probably the 2019th Newbie Game.

[GeniusGamer]

Hmm... interesting. Now, how shall we begin fruitful discussion?

What’s interesting?

The current discussion is interesting. Even the flimsy RVS votes tell you about the players.

[GeniusGamer]

I won't use my vote

quite

yet, but I do think that people should start to talk. I'm considering a wagon on ShellyC...

[GeniusGamer]

We've got three people who haven't posted. For all we know, no scum have posted yet. I hope they do some participating soon, 'cause we need to get some reads on them.

[GeniusGamer]

Ah, time zones. So we've still got a couple of lurkers, Shelly's wagon is probably going to disintegrate soon, and I'm thinking T-Bone is next.

[GeniusGamer]

I too find that odd. In what seems to be the RVS, voting for someone who protected you doesn’t seem right. Probably not much to base a read off of though.

[GeniusGamer]

I do not think that Tbones vote is a serious one, most of what he has said seems in jest

Agreed. T-Bone can’t really be called a lurker yet. I suggest that the people who voted for T-Bone should unvote.

[GeniusGamer]

Jeez I leave the site for an hour or so and come back to like 2 more pages at least everyone has posted now. I just gotta catch up now

It happens. Lots of conversation...

[GeniusGamer]

They would be the third vote and according to guides the third voter is likely to be a mafia pushing a mislynch. I'd reread their posts and probably change my vote to them.

I don’t think I’m understanding this. The way I interpret this, you’re saying that if someone has three votes, the third person is likely to be mafia. This... doesn’t make sense to me. Please elaborate.

[GeniusGamer]

I did not want to be on a wagon early in the day with no information. I stand by that. We "all know that". We have more information. I'm keeping a vote on T-Bone for now. I don't have any scumreads yet, so I'll keep a vote on the only person who hasn't posted. I have been informed by Porkens that 2 votes isn't close to day-ending and promotes discussion, so I don't feel too bad keeping a second vote on T-Bone.

TBone is a wagon yet you chose to keep your vote on him. What’s the difference?

The difference is probably that Redados has more information now. I don’t see how they could possibly have that much more, but that seems like the only non-hypocritical answer.

[GeniusGamer]

I’m speculating. Is it wrong to attempt to figure out why a certain player would carry out a particular action?

[GeniusGamer]

I’m speculating. Is it wrong to attempt to figure out why a certain player would carry out a particular action?

Why not let him speak for himself without the benefit of your speculation?

Because I’m already aware of the reasons why he would do this.

[GeniusGamer]

I’m speculating. Is it wrong to attempt to figure out why a certain player would carry out a particular action?

Why not let him speak for himself without the benefit of your speculation?

Because I’m already aware of the reasons why he would do this.

So you have gone from “speculating” to “I am aware of his reasons.” How so you know his reasons?

I speculated about their reasons. Why would they do this as town? Why would they do this as scum? After speculating, I became a aware of the reasons. If someone doesn’t want a wagon thanks to lack of information, and they later join one, the reasons are clear. Maybe they, you know,

got more information

. Maybe the first person was their scum buddy and they were trying to throw people off the trail but didn’t want a wagon. Asking questions is not the only way to get information.

[GeniusGamer]

I said that as in “I know the possible reasons why he would do that.” I gave a reason why he would do it as town and why he would do it as scum. His motivations, as far as I’m aware, boil down into one of those. I don’t know which one yet.

[GeniusGamer]

That was directed at T-Bone’s post, Post #99

[GeniusGamer]

"Because I’m already aware of the reasons why he would do this." sounds like extra info or something to me, which would only be available to scum. So you're saying that he's either town or scum in your defense, which is what everyone is (could be town or scum). This brings us back to the starting point, yet your words suggest that you already "know" something...

Either I’m missing something in your argument, or you’re missing something in mine. Everyone is either town or scum. I provided a reason why he would do it as town and a reason why he would do it as scum. I could do that for basically any action that anyone carried out. My approach is to analyze what players do. It is to understand what they would do in certain situations and why they would do what they have already done.

[GeniusGamer]

Ah, gotcha. Okay then.

[GeniusGamer]

I suspect it’s the

other

interpretation.

Why are you answering questions directed at other players?

Guess I can ask you the same question.

Huh. Now that it’s been pointed out, I find that quite suspicious.

[GeniusGamer]

For post 75, I think that's contradictory. "not base a read off", "I too find that odd" AND "doesn't seem right" is pretty much going round a circle, and it's not advancing anything at all.

I pointed out an oddity. I meant that it’s not enough to base a read of off

by itself

. With more information building on top of what I already have. I could come to a better conclusion.

[GeniusGamer]

They would be the third vote and according to guides the third voter is likely to be a mafia pushing a mislynch. I'd reread their posts and probably change my vote to them.

I don’t think I’m understanding this. The way I interpret this, you’re saying that if someone has three votes, the third person is likely to be mafia. This... doesn’t make sense to me. Please elaborate.

I suspect it’s the

other

interpretation.

You added your answer to a request for elaboration directed at Shellyc, as quoted above.

Three posts later

, you asked why

I

was answering other people’s questions and only wanted the person you questioned to answer.

[GeniusGamer]

I find that highly inconsistent.

[GeniusGamer]

That’s odd. The image, I mean...

I can still view it though.

[GeniusGamer]

The flavor text is getting better and better

[GeniusGamer]

They would be the third vote and according to guides the third voter is likely to be a mafia pushing a mislynch. I'd reread their posts and probably change my vote to them.

I don’t think I’m understanding this. The way I interpret this, you’re saying that if someone has three votes, the third person is likely to be mafia. This... doesn’t make sense to me. Please elaborate.

I suspect it’s the

other

interpretation.

You added your answer to a request for elaboration directed at Shellyc, as quoted above.

Three posts later

, you asked why

I

was answering other people’s questions and only wanted the person you questioned to answer.

Just so I know what you are really saying, what is “the other interpretation”?

“The other interpretation” is the way you interpreted Shelly’s post.

[GeniusGamer]

Let’s dig inTo that post together genius.

Shelly: “They would be the third vote and according to guides the third voter is likely to be a mafia pushing a mislynch. I'd reread their posts and probably change my vote to them.”

I think you and I agree that this statement is false. By this logic any wagon with three votes is somehow more likely to be a mislynch.

Instead, let’s look at it this way. Shelly called the third vote on TBone “likely scum on a mislynch,”
So what does that tell us about shelly’s read on TBone?

Shelly seems to doubt that T-Bone is scum.

[GeniusGamer]

More or less everyone is providing game-advancing content now. Porkens was aggressive in their approach, and got me to speak more. My approach is to look at what people are doing and get a feel for their playing styles. Right now, I’m not getting very scummy vibes from anyone. Then again, there’s still a lot of time remaining in the day phase for me to continue. I’m going to keep looking at the discussion and share my thought later.

[GeniusGamer]

I also assume shellyc is townie.

Any particular reasons?

[GeniusGamer]

I also want to get more into what the SEs think. Last game I played, all the SEs were town. I’m really hoping it’s like that this game. Even if it’s not I’d still like to get more of the SEs thoughts.

I find it a little disturbing that you seem to be putting so much trust in the SEs. For all we know there’s only one that we can trust. Not to mention that being an SE in and of itself makes you no better than a newbie. I think

everybody

should add in their two cents in some way and that

everybody’s

thoughts should be regarded with no basis in prior experience in this site. It doesn’t sound like you’re planning to do that.

[GeniusGamer]

The problem I see with having post based reads is that they are not alignment indicative so it’s not a real solid way to read players.

Either I’m missing something in your argument, or you’re missing something in mine. Everyone is either town or scum. I provided a reason why he would do it as town and a reason why he would do it as scum. I could do that for basically any action that anyone carried out. My approach is to analyze what players do.

It is to understand what they would do in certain situations and why they would do what they have already done.

I get your analysis, but you have no idea what certain players would do in a given situation. Sure you can speculate, but that’s all it is, speculation.

This is the basis of the game. I think your response here was unhelpful.

Those are my thoughts on you for now! It could definitely change.

You’re right. It is the basis of the game. And that fact is my point exactly. I was questioned for determining the reasons why a player would do something. Your comment shows that I made my intentions clear: play the game.

[GeniusGamer]

Does anyone want to ask me questions?

Is anyone giving you town vibes? If so, why?

[GeniusGamer]

checking in to say that I'm still around but also that work has been a pain and I won't be able to catch up until later tonight

Man, that must suck...

[GeniusGamer]

Can someone explain how lynching works? Is it majority by the end of the day, or does it go to No Lynch if we don't get five votes?

Also, it's correct to lynch on the first day, right? Like, statistically?

I don’t know about whether to vote on the first day

statistically

, and it really depends on the situation. The moment we reach a majority for voting, the day ends. If we don’t reach a majority, nobody is eliminated.

[GeniusGamer]

Again, it does depend on the situation. Though I do agree that we should eliminate someone this day phase.

[GeniusGamer]

Not been very active for the last hours, eh?

Well, yes. For me, it’s 8:45 am right now, and your previous post was at 11:30 pm. But I’m still here.

[GeniusGamer]

That’s fine.

[GeniusGamer]

How come everyone’s gone...?

[GeniusGamer]

Or, was for a really long time a few days ago.

[GeniusGamer]

GeniusGamer - really not very memorable, even going back now to look at his ISO. I'll have to come back to this later for the sake of finishing this post

Lots of people seem to be saying things to that effect. Then again, I’m not playing a very aggressive game.

[GeniusGamer]

what one read do you have that you are most confident in and why?

Of course, my reads will be subject to change as the game goes on. But at this point in the game, I think I’m getting especially scummy vibes from MiniMegabyte. After you walked her through your vote, she stopped posting any sort of game advancing content. Just some comments about her lack of reads, catching up on the discussion, etc. In her post 80, she said that people couldn’t be called lurkers, though she did cast a little suspicion on the people who hadn’t posted earlier. She posted a little about how she was confused or busy, as well as a vague post about having reads. When Shelly voted for her, she responded with what looked like an OMGUS and cast suspicion on Shelly for not posting in the RVS (despite Shelly stating that her time zone prevented her from posting near the game’s beginning). She gave some short reads and unvoted Shelly.

Now, that’s more of an overview of what she did. But the thing is, she didn’t post much game-advancing content. Most of her posts had nothing to do with scumhunting (having a few posts like this is fine if you ask me, but at this point in the game, she needs to be more productive). She voted Porkens, likely to get a reaction, though she didn’t do much else until later. When Shelly called her out, she OMGUS-ed and threw suspicion based on something she “[felt] in [her] gut”, according to post 176.

TL;DR: My strongest read is on MiniMegabyte, who I think is scum because of a lack of game-advancing content. I also need to learn to condense my findings to a reasonable size.

[GeniusGamer]

Everyone else is pretty much where they were before. I’m actually pretty lost right now and don’t actually know where I’d go. Seems like all the pushes kind of faded out and now we’re all staring at each in awkward silence.

I agree. Fortunately, it doesn’t sound like this happens in every newbie game here (this is my first one on the site), but we seem to be at a standstill...

[GeniusGamer]

Genius not voting is off putting to me because I think scum can be afraid of how their votes will make people read them.

Really? Never heard of that idea.

TL;DR: My strongest read is on MiniMegabyte, who I think is scum because of a lack of game-advancing content. I also need to learn to condense my findings to a reasonable size.

Is there a reason you haven't voted this strong scum read you have?

as a general rule the game

will

stall out if there aren't people actively working to push it forward.

To both of you, I wasn’t planning on voting until I was really sure of the scum. Apparently, that’s a bad idea in this game. In light of this...

VOTE: MiniMegabyte

[GeniusGamer]

There’s probably a lot more evidence to be found before the day ends. Then again, it doesn’t hurt to vote now, I suppose.

[GeniusGamer]

Only a bad idea if you want to avoid suspicion?
Had you expressed a SR if mini prior to this vote?

I don’t have any reason to avoid suspicion, and I have not expressed my read prior to that post. I wanted to make sure I wasn’t misvoting town.

[GeniusGamer]

Originally, I wanted to make sure that I wasn’t misvoting. When you and Micc found it odd that I hadn’t voted, I decided to because it wouldn’t hurt.

Then

I realized that the information I already had was enough for a vote using my previous standards.

[GeniusGamer]

Frankly, I have absolutely no idea right now.

[GeniusGamer]

No. The only people currently voting for MiniMegabyte are Micc and I, and I’m getting town vibes from Micc.

[GeniusGamer]

Genius not voting is off putting to me because I think scum can be afraid of how their votes will make people read them.

Very good point. I’ve noticed the uneasiness to solidify a decision from the start, which is also why I’m reading him the way I am.

It’s not an “uneasiness to solidify a decision”. I merely voted once I was sure that I had enough evidence. While I already had evidence, I was planning to wait for more. When it was pointed out to me that it was supposedly odd to not vote in the situation I was in, I decided to vote.

[GeniusGamer]

Suspicious:
ShellyC
N0bleNoob
MiniMegabyte
GeniusGamer

Obviously, right now, I am overly suspicious as there are not four mafia members in this game.

VOTE: N0bleNoob

Is there any particular reason why you voted for N0bleNoob?

[GeniusGamer]

Yikes. They’re not very active, huh?

[GeniusGamer]

After typing this all out, N0bleNoob, Mini, and GeniusGamer are all in the same category of being passive, not being aggressive, and that's what seems scummy to me. It's also frustrating because I would like to hear more from them.

It’s scummy to not play an aggressive game? I find this opinion odd, considering that playing styles can vary. I’ve been contributing a lot to the game anyway, so it’s also weird that you’d want to hear more from me.

[GeniusGamer]

That's fair. By be aggressive, I don't mean aggressive with your tone. It means take action, don't be afraid to have opinions and thoughts, get some skin into the game. Sorry if that was confusing or contradictory. You should be able to have opinions on players without having an "aggressive playstyle".

Alright, that makes sense. I’m still forming my reads for a few players, namely the ones who aren’t very active and don’t provide much for me to analyze, but I can provide more opinions if that’s what I should do.

[GeniusGamer]

Votecount 1.6

Redados(2)

~ ItalianoVD(46), N0bleNoob(17)

MiniMegabyte(2)

~ Micc(19), GeniusGamer(51)

Micc(2)

~ T-Bone(21), shellyc(39)

shellyc(1)

~ Porkens(54)

N0bleNoob(1)

~ Redados(37)


Not Voting (1): MiniMegabyte(27)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-07-24 16:20:10)

On an unrelated note, what are those numbers next to each voter’s name in the vote count?

[GeniusGamer]

Whoops... accidentally quoted the post... is that bad?

[GeniusGamer]

Redados, your post 336, you said that Shelly is mainly reiterating what others said. Going back and ISO-ing, I don’t really see that. Could you point out any instances of this happening?

[GeniusGamer]

*In your post 336

[GeniusGamer]

Sometimes people don't post for reasons unrelated to the game. Don't get yourself in the habit of analyzing activity on Mafiascum, Minimegabyte. It's a bad habit, and will usually lead people to getting upset, and it will not help you find scum.

Okay makes sense sorry as I said trough it was just a thought that popped into my head and wanted to sorta just get it out as people want me to start speaking my mind a lot more

I don’t think T-Bone meant to say that you should share absolutely

every

thought that comes to mind. And if you really didn’t think that it was very likely, there’s almost no point in sharing it.

[GeniusGamer]

I definitely see what you’re saying, Red. So why did you do that, Shelly?

[GeniusGamer]

True, but she’ll probably read through everything she missed once she checks the thread.

[GeniusGamer]

I'm glad we made it this far without needing a replacement. GeorgeBailey, will the day be extended for the replacement to catch up?

...That makes it sound like replacements are usually requested earlier in the first day phase. Is that true?

[GeniusGamer]

Hmm. I think MiniMegabyte is starting to reveal her opinions instead of rehashing what was already said, and those opinions are giving me a town vibe. I’m going to retract my vote for now. Porkens is right though. We definitely need to come to a decision on who to eliminate.

UNVOTE: MiniMegabyte

[GeniusGamer]

I’m liking Sunflower Guy so far. Welcome to the thread!

We still need to decide who exactly to eliminate though. So who will that be? I do notice a wagon on Redados, and I’m not getting very town-like vibes from him... I’ll just keep my vote here until I’m convinced otherwise.

VOTE: Redados

[GeniusGamer]

Hello there! There are a few reads lists peppered throughout the thread, so you can look at those to get a lot of the general thoughts.

Or

you could throw out the rest of your day and read all 415 posts at once! Totally worth it

[GeniusGamer]

Okay, so now you've devolved into...baiting? Please don't, this is a newbie game. I'm requesting that SE to SE, regardless of your alignment, or mine.

You’re making it sound like baiting is so terrible in newbie games specifically that it shouldn’t be done in them. I’m starting to notice a difference between the perception of newbies and SEs. Not to mention that you don’t really decide what tactics other players use...

[GeniusGamer]

Baiting shouldn't be done at all, to be fair. Praytell, did you find that post in question productive? If so, why?

I didn't find the post productive, and I also agree that it shouldn't be done. However, it's the strategy he chose to use. Maybe it provides him with information that I'm not seeing. So what if he disagrees with you and finds baiting productive? To each his own.

[GeniusGamer]

1. WHY did u read his games (and there is no correct answer; just give me ur thought process on why it was worthwhile to invest time on reading one of his ganes)

I don't see the point in asking this. Why does it matter that someone read a game? It's

always

a good idea.

[GeniusGamer]

Woah, what happened here? Everyone suddenly sees me as scum, a main reason for which being that I... joined Redados’s wagon? Oh, but not all of them say that! Shelly doesn’t think my posts demonstrate thought due to a “lack of contribution and passiveness” (post 475)? I’ll need a closer look at that, but it seems I now have to prove that I’m town.

I have, in fact, produced game advancing content. I’ve asked questions, answered questions, brought up several suspicious actions, and expressed scumreads. It was pretty late for me when I voted for Redados, and I was

planning

to make clear my reasons for voting, but that will also have to wait.

I am trying to help you as a member of the town. In fact, I’ll provide you with some information about the setup. I am a

Town Mason

, though I will not reveal the other mason’s name unless asked. There are either two mafia goons or a mafia goon and a mafia roleblocker. It doesn’t matter though because no townies have any activatable powers. Killing me will result in what is effectively six townies versus two goons.

Now, think about what you’ve just done by putting me at L-1. You have forced me to provide information to the mafia. If you don’t end up killing me, the mafia almost certainly will. There will effectively be vanilla townies versus mafia goons and the rate at which you gain information will be slowed. Congratulations on failing spectacularly.

You caused this.

[GeniusGamer]

Since I’m the mason, saving me gives you a chance to eliminate mafia. I’ll certainly be dead by the next day phase. But if you get mafia now, it’ll be one mafia down and one town instead of two town. Of course, I’m assuming you believe me, and it seems like you don’t.

[GeniusGamer]

I never posted a reads list at all. Also, my partner didn’t seem to be in too much danger. I never had a particular reason to defend them.

[GeniusGamer]

Genius not voting is off putting to me because I think scum can be afraid of how their votes will make people read them.

Really? Never heard of that idea.

TL;DR: My strongest read is on MiniMegabyte, who I think is scum because of a lack of game-advancing content. I also need to learn to condense my findings to a reasonable size.

Is there a reason you haven't voted this strong scum read you have?

as a general rule the game

will

stall out if there aren't people actively working to push it forward.

To both of you, I wasn’t planning on voting until I was really sure of the scum. Apparently, that’s a bad idea in this game. In light of this...

VOTE: MiniMegabyte

There’s probably a lot more evidence to be found before the day ends. Then again, it doesn’t hurt to vote now, I suppose.

Only a bad idea if you want to avoid suspicion?
Had you expressed a SR if mini prior to this vote?

I don’t have any reason to avoid suspicion, and I have not expressed my read prior to that post. I wanted to make sure I wasn’t misvoting town.

Originally, I wanted to make sure that I wasn’t misvoting. When you and Micc found it odd that I hadn’t voted, I decided to because it wouldn’t hurt.

Then

I realized that the information I already had was enough for a vote using my previous standards.

Genius not voting is off putting to me because I think scum can be afraid of how their votes will make people read them.

Very good point. I’ve noticed the uneasiness to solidify a decision from the start, which is also why I’m reading him the way I am.

It’s not an “uneasiness to solidify a decision”. I merely voted once I was sure that I had enough evidence. While I already had evidence, I was planning to wait for more. When it was pointed out to me that it was supposedly odd to not vote in the situation I was in, I decided to vote.

Question. What information were you looking to get? And what did Mini do at that point to give you the go ahead to vote? Well other than Micc and Porkens promoting you?

I was waiting for evidence such as a continuation of the lack of productive content. Later in the day phase, I was planning on ISO-ing her again and seeing if her posts were helpful and giving me a town-like vibe. Micc and Porkens’ prompting made me realize that I didn’t really need more evidence to vote for her at that point.

[GeniusGamer]

I never posted a reads list at all. Also, my partner didn’t seem to be in too much danger. I never had a particular reason to defend them.

I wish you had posted a reads list.

Can you post a reads list please? It's not too late. You won't out your mason partner as long as you read multiple people as town.

Alright, I’ll post it soon.

[GeniusGamer]

Well, here it is. My first reads list. Or at least part of it. Only three slots evaluated, and it took

so

long.

• Redados: When he started, he was pretty open. He produced reads lists
  really
  early in the game, which is good. He asked and answered questions, and called people out on what he found contradictory or odd. The main reasons people found him suspicious were the change in his read of Italiano and unvoting me in the RVS, which were the reasons why I voted for him. Since then, he talked more, and I’m starting to see him as town. In particular, his reasons for scumreading me seemed genuine, and while I am town, he sounded like he town accidentally pushing a miselimination instead of mafia intentionally pushing a miselimination.
  
• MiniMegabyte: As I said earlier, MiniMegabyte wasn’t really advancing the game in most of her posts. She pushed T-Bone for his laser focus on the Micc slot much later in the game. Honestly, I’m currently getting newbie town vibes.
  
• N0bleNoob/SJReaver: N0bleNoob cast suspicion on Porkens and Redados for a while, especially the former.
  Then
  he cast suspicion on MiniMegabyte and Shelly, saying their voting and unvoting was like a made up argument between two scum players. Then he got replaced. SJReaver jumped right in with a reads list, which was good. They provided lots of analyses on the game, and I’m getting a strong town vibe from them. However, I’m not sure about N0bleNoob, so I’m confused about this slot.

[GeniusGamer]

This would make the mafia have to waste two nightkills on the two masons, which protects everyone else. It also gives us a better chance to find the two mafia during the day today and tomorrow because POE gets a little easier.

Not really. There are two masons, so killing one would make the other effectively a vanilla townie because there’d be nobody to speak with.

[GeniusGamer]

GG's post was just meant to guilt-trip and appeal to emotion to make us feel bad for making him flip. That's how it made me feel.

That wasn’t the purpose of the post, though I’d definitely feel bad if I had forced someone to do what I did. The point of the post was to reveal my role so that you wouldn’t eliminate town, and to provide you with all of the information I had about the setup. It was an act of self-preservation.

[GeniusGamer]

Only three slots evaluated, and it took so long.

Why haven't you been evaluating all day? What have you been doing?

I was evaluating the entire time I was on the site. But rereading the thread several times, ISO-ing the three players to reread all of

their

posts, and analyzing those posts took a long time.

[GeniusGamer]

Let me help, as we're getting down to the wire.

I'm town mason 2. Genius is townie.

SJReaver is, in fact, the other mason.

[GeniusGamer]

@Genius: I’m not sure how you do your reads and you have mentioned you are new, but I don’t know, wouldn’t it have been or be a better strategy to have reads for the entire playerlist, even if the majority is null? I just don’t get why only 3 people were in your reads.

You sort of interrupted me writing another portion of my reads list. Again, they take a long time, so I posted a few at once, which is what I’m still doing. It’s better to do a few at a time than look like I suddenly quit.

[GeniusGamer]

Here are a few more reads. I’m almost done.

• T-Bone: He did some questioning in the beginning, as well as explaining stuff like quoting, how elimination works, or why he thinks that you shouldn't analyze activity. He really,
  really
  stuck to his claim that the Micc slot was scum instead of switching to an easier target, which to me is a town-like move. Unfortunately though, he didn’t really share thoughts on anybody else. That is bad, apparently, but doesn’t seem alignment-indicative. I see T-Bone as one of the most town-like players in this game.
  
  
• ItalianoVD: At the beginning, he was mainly joking around, but what sticks out to me was his vote for Redados. It was for having an early reads list. Not only is there is no problem with having early reads, but it
  helps us find scum
  , so I found that pretty scummy. He said that it struck him as a “Look At Me, I’m So Town,” but I don’t see that. Reads lists are what help us share thoughts about each other and decide who’s scum. Italiano also seemed to think that the only types of content are questions and fluff. Not true. But he was very active and shared lots of thoughts. I don’t know for sure, but I think Italiano is scum.
  
  
• Porkens started with a vote for Redados due to unvoting me when I had two votes. Suddenly, they changed their vote to Shelly for not talking less than a day into the game. Despite this, they were confused by Shelly voting for someone who hadn’t posted right after. Very hypocritical. They let loose a barrage of questions, without sharing any of their thoughts. While it’s good to ask questions, Porkens expressed what seemed to be an inability to share their own thoughts. Pretty scummy. Once they realized that, they started to slow down with the asking and provide their own thoughts. They later turned their focus back to claiming that Shelly is scum and questioning me for finding MiniMegabyte suspicious. I also think that Porkens may be scum.

[GeniusGamer]

• Micc/Word321: Micc didn’t actually do much. He walked through his RVS vote for me with MiniMegabyte. He did leave the RVS pretty fast with a vote for ItalianoVD. He made it clear that people couldn’t be called lurkers on the first day, and supposedly tried to pocket T-Bone once he started posting. He did provide a reads list though. Like T-Bone, I find it odd that he didn’t vote for his stronger scumreads. He was eventually replaced by Word321. Word321 started by asking T-Bone some questions, casting suspicion, and voting. He also asked Redados some questions. I don’t really understand most of his posts though. I do think the slot could be scum though.

[GeniusGamer]

Where did I express an inability to share my own thoughts?

Throughout the beginning of the game, all you did was ask questions. You did not say what you thought about any particular posts, disclose who you thought was town or scum, or clearly point out suspicious actions.

[GeniusGamer]

...You literally just asked.

[GeniusGamer]

Oh.

You answered all of the questions about your

reads

, though it’s fine to provide info unprompted. Also, ISO-ing you again, I realize that you never answered Italiano’s question in post 123 (why were you answering questions directed at other players, but when I did it, it was apparently wrong). When prompted about it, you simply explained why Shelly likely said what she said, instead of acknowledging the hypocrisy.

[GeniusGamer]

I

wasn’t

answering the question.

Yeah, that’s the problem. You were asked a question and you didn’t answer it.

[GeniusGamer]

I don’t think MiniMegabyte would be a good elimination today. I don’t know if I’ll have enough time for a full explanation of my read, but I do think Shelly would be a good vote for today.

VOTE: ShellyC

[GeniusGamer]

• MiniMegabyte: As I said earlier, MiniMegabyte wasn’t really advancing the game in most of her posts. She pushed T-Bone for his laser focus on the Micc slot much later in the game. Honestly, I’m currently getting newbie town vibes.

In terms of suspicion, how would you rank the four people on your wagon: Porkens, Italiano, Mini, and Shelly?

From least suspicious to most suspicious:

• MiniMegabyte
  
• Italiano
  
• Porkens
  
• ShellyC

[GeniusGamer]

Well, if I die tonight, I’d also like to say that it was fun to play. But I do agree with Porkens about prolonging discussion.

[GeniusGamer]

Hmm. I suppose Word’s slot could be scum.

Maybe

I’ll hammer after he starts talking more. But I’m going to keep my vote on Shelly for now.

Word’s at E-1 and Shelly’s at E-2? I’m losing track of who’s voting for who. Could the moderator update the vote count please?

[GeniusGamer]

I think you meant to switch those names around, Redados

[GeniusGamer]

I don’t think it was a joke. I think Redados meant “Porkens, do you believe that we will lynch T-Bone today?” because Porkens is voting for T-Bone.

[GeniusGamer]

Hmm. I’m a little surpised it wasn’t me. That’s nice, I guess...

I definitely see where Redados is coming from though, and reading through his analysis, I think I have the same reads list, except that I’m not clearing Italiano quite yet.

[GeniusGamer]

Hmm. I’m a little surpised it wasn’t me. That’s nice, I guess...

Well why do you think they went for SJ and not you?

SJ and I were both confirmed townies. Honestly, I think it was probably random. If it wasn't, I guess they thought SJ was more of a threat to them, though I can't think of any particular reasons.

[GeniusGamer]

Reading everything that’s happened, my preferred elimination order would be Porkens,

then

Italiano. Porkens’ argument left out a lot of info, and Italiano provided more evidence against Porkens while defending himself adequately.

VOTE: Porkens

I hope we get the right person today. It’d look really good on my résumé: “GeniusGamer outed as mason on first day of first newbie game; survives and wins”

[GeniusGamer]

Wait, we’re at E-1 already? Geez. I knew I wasn’t hammering, but I thought there were more people. Huh.

I suppose we should let him talk before eliminating him though. Maybe he’ll come out with some incredible, eye opening argument that instantly changes everyone’s minds.

[GeniusGamer]

Not sure what good flipping does based on the rolls left. Maybe I am misunderstanding what "flip" means.

I don’t think flipping is really that helpful at this point. Porkens is either a vanilla townie or a mafia goon, like everybody except me. If they do flip town, I think Italiano could be scum. Lots of people (including me) brought up some very valid arguments that point to Italiano being scum.

[GeniusGamer]

I think you're both misunderstanding the analysis of the nightkill I did.

You could have phrased that better. It could be interpreted as you saying that you did the night kill.

[GeniusGamer]

Oh yeah, we should have less time.

I’m totally not mad that we’re getting less time now

[GeniusGamer]

Hmph. So I suppose we’re voting for Porkens today, and you guys will vote for Italiano tomorrow. After that, I’m not sure. T-Bone doesn’t seem like scum with that vote for Micc, but that could still be some high level play. Unlikely, but nothing that I would rule out.

On the other hand, it could be scum behavior too. Like I said before, T-Bone harbussing his SE partner MiccWord pretty much assures he’ll be townread for a good couple days in game, maybe all the way to the end. In that scenario, his behavior now makes perfect sense. He agrees with the prevailing scumread, and just chills.

Right now, I think my advice to town on a hypothetical day 4 would be to eliminate TBone. That could change from this point based on what happens in the rest of this day, but that’s where my head is at right now.

Then we get this. T-Bone

is

being almost universally townread at this point, so he could be using that to his advantage as scum. Then he’d be assuming that we wouldn’t figure out his plan, but with six townies and one scum, that’s not very likely. I guess we’re voting for T-Bone on day four? But there are just too many possibilities, and I’m not sure where to go yet.

[GeniusGamer]

Sorry for being inactive. I had stuff to do, and I forgot about the game...

Anyway, we’ve basically agreed that Porkens is our elimination today, correct? After that, we’re probably voting for Italiano. T-Bone and Redados seem to be the next scummiest. Personally, I’d vote for T-Bone if I were alive on the hypothetical day 4. I feel like Redados is providing lots of helpful information that a scum player wouldn’t feel too much of a need to provide. Then again, that could definitely be a scum play.

My current elimination order: Porkens, Italiano, T-Bone, and then Redados.

[GeniusGamer]

We haven't seen Porkens or GeorgeBailey post about the length of Porkens' V/LA, and to be honest there isn't really much that Porkens can do today to avoid getting limmed. I don't want to shorten the day a ton though. But also discussion is really not moving today.

Yeah, nothing is happening that’s

really

advancing the game right now. This day phase does feel longer than the last one...

At this point, hammering Porkens is just about the only way to keep advancing the game.

[GeniusGamer]

I could hammer now but is that fair when Porkens hasn’t posted in a while?

I’m not sure. Porkens said he’s fine with being eliminated, but other people are thinking about waiting.

Oh snap! It’s August already? Oh my... Porkens is coming back soon then.

[GeniusGamer]

hammer away.

So... is anybody going to hammer Porkens?

[GeniusGamer]

Wow, that was some good scum play from Shelly! Congrats to you, Micc and Word!

[GeniusGamer]

Beans, beans, the magical fruit. The more you eat, the more you catch scum!

[GeniusGamer]

"Mafia member eliminated D1 = 80% of townie victory."

Favourite quote in the masonry lol, we made that 20%

Heh, we were so happy when we got Word. Congrats on crushing our hopes and dreams