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Titus · Post Post #681 (isolation #0) » Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:58 am

In post 675, Truth wrote:Do we think there could be two mafia teams in this game? All of the confirmed townies and the cop means this game would be hard for only one mafia team.

Who said anything about a cop? What is their result? What are the current claims so far? Who is conftown and why?

Titus · Post Post #689 (isolation #1) » Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:56 am

the worst, I don't read on catch up remember? I get my reads based on in thread interactions and VCs.

Given the number of ICs I don't think scum will bus here.

I also can't see why town would need a roleblocker with the number of IC cleared power here.

Titus · Post Post #701 (isolation #2) » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:19 pm

VOTE: Walter

Titus · Post Post #706 (isolation #3) » Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:20 am

UNVOTE: Walter

I thought he was shading but the VC says he's conftown.

Titus · Post Post #708 (isolation #4) » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:31 am

In post 707, chkflip wrote:
In post 705, the worst wrote:Bugspray was literally a dead person walking. Can I get opinions on whether people agree with chk on this or whether Dunn is just burying an easy miselim? it feels like the latter to me and I don't really see how this is sorting lol
The condescension. You wanna explain why you think Dunn was burying someone you regard as an easy elimination?

I don't see how an opinion is condescending.

Titus · Post Post #710 (isolation #5) » Sat Aug 01, 2020 5:46 am

In post 709, chkflip wrote:I don't see how that opinion adds anything to the conversation.

See how that works?

The comment helps me get into your head. I see you as hyper defensive when no one is pushing you, so I am wondering why. It's not just conftown that has you agitated.

Titus · Post Post #712 (isolation #6) » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:03 am

Because I don't usually find you this agitated. I don't know why yet.

Titus · Post Post #737 (isolation #7) » Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:11 am

In post 736, Dunnstral wrote:Poe off people I don't want to vote

I think I wrote Titus off too quickly in my head... it's entirely possible that she is scum

Why did you "write me off" at all? I haven't done much because I just got here.

Titus · Post Post #749 (isolation #8) » Sun Aug 02, 2020 12:24 pm

Truth, how are you trusting the worst by voting Osaka instead of Dunn?

I'm not voting because I'll be here and I want to make heads or tails of this game.

Titus · Post Post #754 (isolation #9) » Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:54 pm

VOTE: Looker

Let's see what happens with counterwagons.

Titus · Post Post #757 (isolation #10) » Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:11 pm

In post 755, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 737, Titus wrote:
In post 736, Dunnstral wrote:Poe off people I don't want to vote

I think I wrote Titus off too quickly in my head... it's entirely possible that she is scum
Why did you "write me off" at all? I haven't done much because I just got here.
I'm not sure

When did you write me off?

Titus · Post Post #843 (isolation #11) » Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:13 am

I'm out for today. Just got hit with a major car repair and a work deadline.

Titus · Post Post #903 (isolation #12) » Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:45 am

In post 883, Nepenthes wrote:
In post 881, Looker wrote:this stuffs really hard to type with one hand so osuka/superbowl and one of dunn chkflip neptune titus. gypyx and truth inspection later
This is the entire playerlist

I cannot parse this. Can someone explain it?

Titus · Post Post #904 (isolation #13) » Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:47 am

In post 898, Looker wrote:Still would prefer osuka or superbowl today

Why these two?

Titus · Post Post #905 (isolation #14) » Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:51 am

I'm debating getting off the Looker wagon and onto Truth. For Truth to be town, then both ICs must be agency captured. The looker wagon gaining steam raises concerns. Particularly of a chkflip + Truth team.

If Looker is scum, it makes things more likely that Truth is scum as well. I can't see scum diverting from Truth onto Looker in an S v S setup.

VOTE: Truth

Titus · Post Post #1076 (isolation #15) » Fri Aug 07, 2020 2:03 am

VOTE: Gypyx

Good morning.

Titus · Post Post #1108 (isolation #16) » Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:58 am

My activity drops much lower on Saturdays. Those are my DnD days.

I'm seeing Osaka and superbowl as possibly aligned pairs. Same for Neph and Looker. I doubt the remaining scumteam would have one from each pairing. One of the four with one of Chkflip and Gypyx is a possibility. Chkflip and Gypx are also not likely partners because of chkflip immediately voting Gypyx once Gypyx expresses suspicion. chkflip + Looker is still a possibility.

My Gypyx read is gut but I'm a little worried about chkflip, ngl. 1) chkflip hasn't gone after me and 2) Chkflip pushed for Looker and only changed after I speculated he could be scum.

Dunn needs to post.

That's a TLDR of where I'm at with scumteams.

Titus · Post Post #1173 (isolation #17) » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:55 pm

In post 146, Not Known 15 wrote:
Vote Count 1.1bugspray(4)superbowl9,Dunnstral,Truth,Gypyx,

Not Voting(4)
LicketyQuickety
,WaltertheDunce10,Looker,0verki11,

Truth(3)Nash,osuka,bugspray,

WaltertheDunce10(1)redtea,

Gypyx(1)Psyche,

LicketyQuickety
(0)

osuka(0)

superbowl9(0)

Dunnstral(0)

Looker(0)

Nash(0)

redtea(0)

Psyche(0)

0verki11(0)

No Execute (0)

With 13 alive it is 7 to execute, and 7 to No Execute.

Day 1 begins and ends in (expired on 2020-07-28 02:40:00) or when an execution has been achieved.

Town points for chkflip, minor scum points for Gypx (would be major but he's neighbors with flipped scum). Minor town points for Osaka.

Titus · Post Post #1175 (isolation #18) » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:58 pm

In post 775, Not Known 15 wrote:
Vote Count 2.4Looker(4)superbowl9,
the worst
,osuka,Titus,

Not Voting(2)Dunnstral,Nepenthes,

Truth(2)
WaltertheDunce10
,chkflip,

osuka(2)Looker,Truth,

Titus
0verki11
(1)Gypyx,

Dunnstral(0)

chkflip
Nash
(0)

WaltertheDunce10
(0)

Gypyx(0)

the worst
LicketyQuickety
(0)

superbowl9(0)

Nepenthes
redtea
(0)

No Execute (0)

With 11 alive it is 6 to execute, and 6 to No Execute.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2020-08-06 04:38:00) or when an execution has been achieved.

Nepenthes replaces redtea.

The wagon on Looker looks particularly town. Town points for Chkflip for being on Truth this early.

Titus · Post Post #1176 (isolation #19) » Mon Aug 10, 2020 2:00 pm

In post 1174, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:Titus, what do you make of dunn's slot.

Dunn's a nonentity. I wouldn't mind lynching him. If he is scum, I would look at Looker being his partner. It would explain why scum have largely been ineffective.

Titus · Post Post #1178 (isolation #20) » Mon Aug 10, 2020 2:22 pm

In post 1177, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:Why do you believe scum have been ineffective?

If Dunn is scum, he's deadweight to their team. There was a scum lynch day 2. It's a decent assumption if Dunn is scum.

It doesn't hold though unless one of Dunn/Looker is scum.

Titus · Post Post #1191 (isolation #21) » Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:57 am

@1182 Gypx - It means your vote is right before or after Truth's. If you're scum, scum spent a lot of resources to keep Truth alive.

Titus · Post Post #1192 (isolation #22) » Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:59 am

In post 1183, Gypyx wrote:And i don't find that scum has been ineffective? Like what tells you that? Truth was pretty much guaranteed to get lynched at some point

Truth's guaranteed lynch is why scum were ineffective.

Titus · Post Post #1195 (isolation #23) » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:07 am

Why isn't Looker scum?

Titus · Post Post #1209 (isolation #24) » Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:28 pm

In post 1202, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:
In post 1178, Titus wrote:
In post 1177, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:Why do you believe scum have been ineffective?
If Dunn is scum, he's deadweight to their team. There was a scum lynch day 2. It's a decent assumption if Dunn is scum.

It doesn't hold though unless one of Dunn/Looker is scum.

In post 1192, Titus wrote:
In post 1183, Gypyx wrote:And i don't find that scum has been ineffective? Like what tells you that? Truth was pretty much guaranteed to get lynched at some point
Truth's guaranteed lynch is why scum were ineffective.
So which one is it Titus?
VOTE: titus

I don't understand the question.

Titus · Post Post #1211 (isolation #25) » Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:32 pm

VOTE: Superbowl

I don't care for voting Looker today and I think Osaka is town. My VCA suggests (but doesn't prove) Gypyx isn't scum.

Titus · Post Post #1222 (isolation #26) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:34 am

I don't think Osaka is scum by VCA. I feel looker has a better chance of flipping scum.

VOTE: Looker

Titus · Post Post #1224 (isolation #27) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:04 am

I am fine with neither. I just feel Osaka provides more value thsn Looker and a Looker flip refines the VCA.

Titus · Post Post #1252 (isolation #28) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:56 am

In post 1251, Looker wrote:Does anyone know what process Titus uses to accomplish VCA? We're just going to go with it?

I look at the alignments of all the flipped slots. Then ask myself what would scum want? Is this what scum typically do? How do busses on VCs look? Does this match?

Certain factors are townier than others. Knowing Looker's alignment rapidly clarifies what scum wanted yesterday.

Titus · Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:43 pm

In post 1275, superbowl9 wrote:Yes
Especially because yall will eat up her VCA in which she points out she bussed her partner who is clearly going to be an elim at some point

My VCA starts from the assumption I am town. You are fully free to do your own. Nothing's stopping you.

Odd how I am simulating dodging pressure while having an undue influence on the game. I haven't been here much because of work. So it's a real interesting predicament.

Titus · Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:44 pm

In post 1277, osuka wrote:
In post 1244, Gypyx wrote:how would you rate the odds of scum!looker?
I missed this, but 70-30

If looked flips green, Titus is confscum

Why?

Titus · Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:51 pm

In post 1254, Gypyx wrote:Titus, could you be bothered to explain more? like, the game's not going where you want it to go, maybe it would be better for you to try and shift the game towards what you think is the best path?

I agree that more explanations would be better but I don't have a strong enough read. Slots like superbowl just escape notice in my VCA and post minor things that are odd.

I don't think with my real life that I am capable of swinging a wagon. Then again, with the people suggesting that I am bussing Looker for towncred, it might not be thd best idea to change today. It reeks of knowing Looker will flip scum.

Titus · Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:52 pm

In post 1276, Gypyx wrote:
In post 1273, superbowl9 wrote:Also gypyx what was scummy about redtea?
um nevermind, i'm just dumb, i though nep replaced overkill

I am Overkill

Titus · Post Post #1286 (isolation #33) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:14 pm

In post 1285, Nepenthes wrote:
In post 1282, Titus wrote:I don't think with my real life that I am capable of swinging a wagon. Then again, with the people suggesting that I am bussing Looker for towncred, it might not be thd best idea to change today. It reeks of knowing Looker will flip scum.
superbowl says youre scum w Looker
Osuka says youre scum on Looker townflip
Lol

Given I FoSed Superbowl and his response is to call me scum with Looker, I am thinking it's a case of he doth protest too much.

I could be wrong though. Yesterday's wagons were close too.

Titus · Post Post #1301 (isolation #34) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:38 pm

In post 1299, superbowl9 wrote:
In post 1287, Nepenthes wrote:
In post 1275, superbowl9 wrote:Yes
Especially because yall will eat up her VCA in which she points out she bussed her partner who is clearly going to be an elim at some point
What do you scumread abt titus
To give u a quick summary, overkill was doing nothing with unexplored and poor lines of thought, then titus replaced in and has also had poor votes. I don't feel genuine attempts to read the game from her just excuses to elim whoever she likes (VCA is a perfect tool for this)

Poor votes? Deciding to join conftown on scum was a poor vote? Also for someone claiming we shouldn't use vote history, you sure are arguing my vote history was bad.

VCA is actually a horrible tool for eliminating whoever I want. If someone is actually doing VCA, there are conclusions that can't be walked away from.

You want to argue VCA is subjective and useless. Do your own. VCA has been my theory for years. I openly invite challenges to it. I murderfuck anyone who says VCA isn't scumhunting.

I may scumhunt differently, but I still scumhunt. Try to push this Titus is only VCAing when my votes are good. Try it. I live and die by my VCA.

Titus · Post Post #1302 (isolation #35) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:40 pm

In post 1300, Looker wrote:So, basically, Titus's VCA is easily manipulable and subjective.

My VCA is not why you're wagoned. My VCA doesn't clear you and you and Osaka are the options. Osaka's early voting clears him. Flipping you gets more information to nail down my VCA.

Titus · Post Post #1308 (isolation #36) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:47 pm

It's hardly RVS to scum given the bugspray forced voting as well. Voting scum and not voting town are pretty strong indicators of being town.

As for lynching you instead of Truth, that's NAI without your alignment. If you're scum, it's null. If you're town, he's likely dumb town because of how vocal he was.

Titus · Post Post #1309 (isolation #37) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:50 pm

In post 1307, Looker wrote:I think I'm justified in calling your trying to experiment with my lynch weak. You don't seem nearly confident enough to require only my lynch to hammer things down. Any lynch at this point should help you narrow things down.

Only your lynch solidifies the options scum had Day 2. That would be either a double bus or a mislynch and a bus.

I don't know your alignment. Your lynch is a higher net positive to me than Osaka. Osaka's hunting. You are whining. Talk to me about who scum are.

Titus · Post Post #1312 (isolation #38) » Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:57 pm

In post 1310, Looker wrote:With all due respect, Ms. Murderfucker, I don't understand your first sentence.

Also, everything is NAI when you don't know alignments.

p-edit: Interesting and inaccurate interpretation - whining vs hunting.

This post is why you don't understand VCA.

To do a legitimate VCA, you have to either a) know what scum wanted or b) make an educated guess at what scum wanted. For me, the only way I can do that is if I know your alignment.

I can say early voters on Truth on Day 1 are likely town. That's because the action is not one scum regularly take.

You can bitch about me respecting my process and not overselling or underselling, or you can tell us who scum are.

Titus · Post Post #1327 (isolation #39) » Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:37 am

In post 1322, Looker wrote:
In post 1320, chkflip wrote:
In post 1310, Looker wrote:With all due respect, Ms. Murderfucker, I don't understand your first sentence.
Don't fucking be disrespectful.
What is up with you trying to police me. She says she murderfucks. Therefore, murderfucker.

Yeah. He wasn't being disrespectful. He wasn't great in our conversation but he was respectful.

Titus · Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:27 am

Yeah, I had my reservations when you didn't come at my chkflip. Good job shooting me before I got to you.

Titus · Post Post #1620 (isolation #41) » Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:56 pm

In post 1619, chkflip wrote:Yeah, our original plan was to shoot Nep and then you, Titus, but as soon as you said Looker flip would help you solve I nope'd the fuck out of that plan. I'm actually getting better at reading you so I wouldn't say my not pushing you is particularly indicative but we'll see.

It wasn't not pushing me at all. It was the passive...don't wake the bear unless you're sure but still leaning scum on me. It felt scummy and I should have listened. There was no attempt to resolve.

At least I got to be a fear kill.