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......you eliminated bugspray
after all that you actually eliminated bugspray
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I'm town
Walter is town
I have a cop inno on Gypyx
0verki11 is like ridiculously transparently scum
there are probably 4 scum
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actually 0verki11/redtea/dunnstral should contain 2-3 reds- the worst
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btw I think chkflip gets a pass for D2. he needs to throw down some content but I'm pretty sure he/his team don't shoot psyche directly after this (allowing wifom whatever whatever).In post 589, Psyche wrote:hehehe lets lynch pingpong guy tomrrow
going into last night the realistic shots were the ICs. I was a newcomer with like some level of reputation for having a lot of OPINIONS!! which should in theory increase my nk equity to slightly above rand for the IC trichotomy. Walter has basically no opinions at EoD so he's below rand in the trichotomy. Psyche ends the day with ^^^ this post ^^^.
Walter isn't dying n1 here. I would have been like, a responsible n1 kill but it's like also kinda optional. scum have gone and eliminated psyche which means his death accomplishes something more valuable than rand.
does this post make us auto-elim chk?
maybe if we're monkeys sure.
does this post make us wifom our way out of ever eliminating scum!chk?
maybe if we're weak players sure.
so, I wonder, what does psyche's death with this as his last post mean? 1-2 of the following.
1) scum want to artificially increase chk's profile and create a sense of false pressure on his slot.
2) scum think that we will follow one of the {auto-elim chk, never lynch chk} which means that scum think we are monkeys or weak.
are we monkeys, town????NO!
are we weak, town????NO!
how do we prove it? with this simple plan to D2:
- chk proves he is town, or fails to prove he is town because he is scum.
- no votes on chk. we are eliminating 0verki11 but we're going to have a bit of fun first
- if you think chk is scum, you may politely state your case and then vote one of his partners.- the worst
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locktown irl
chk throw me some reads lovely- the worst
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That'll be like 1am my time. I'll set an alarm. it's a date.
Low key I've still only read half the thread BC I realised I'd be a great lolIC kill- the worst
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You all policy elim'd bugs because they bugged you. that's all I can possibly believe because they were just not scum.
nobody thought to policy elim truth? lol- the worst
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it be like that sometimes.- the worst
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which one are u onto- the worst
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I'm lookin forward to this btwIn post 609, Gypyx wrote:Oh hey i'm cop checked, weird flex but ok
Anyways i'll try to make a post in around an hour
this game is Hardmode for you Walter and I
hmu when you're around- the worst
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uhh I'm not gonna dissect my PoE yet no
do you like, not think 0ver is scum? can you talk to me about why not?
don't think osuka is trying to shade me. lol. it wouldn't stick, I'm too awesome for it to work.- the worst
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No btwIn post 624, Looker wrote:Godfather's aren't normal, but are Investigatio-Immune SK's?
@osuka I think looker is like, townier than you in this 1v1 can you please focus energy on finding scums outside of it- the worst
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you know what.
who wants a present?- the worst
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you already got one
What's your read on 0v's slot- the worst
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In post 158, 0verki11 wrote:uhhhh my wim is gone
I only posted once
Bugspray can be wolf or town why am I like this
Gyp can be scum why not
All of this probably contridicts what I said earlier mbmbIn post 159, 0verki11 wrote:ok looking at what I said earlier I came to the conclusion that bugspray is more wolfy than town
but I dont see Gyp and Bugspray being wolf friends
wrt 0v like, its posts read stiff but there's some unconscious quirks in there that make me feel like it's coming from a scum mindset. it's like low-key actually reasonably good at Mafia btwIn post 189, 0verki11 wrote:I hate myself
bugspray is wolf
I read unread then post
then read old posts and repost.
- its townreads lack nuance; this is kinda obvious like it didn't post all that much. the reads it did post appeared mostly focused on people who looked good/had good recent posts. this isn't damning in itself but at rand I agree with like, 2? of its townreads and the timing of them isn't a good look. I also feel like this comes from a mindset where it needs to be seen to have reads more than a mindset where it is trying to find town.
- its entire game related iso is burying bugspray. bugs was the consensus scumread and was basically walking to the elim platform most of the day. 0v's influence wasn't needed to finish off the elim and I feel like there's several cases of pretty alarming negligence wrt letting that wagon through. (An aside but Dunnstral's posts on D1 are like. literally scum.)
- the alarming disconnect is a little easier to explain. while bugs is the main wagon, it pops in and shades them / pre-shades the townslip yet holds its vote for the entire day and doesn't reevaluate any reads. this is problematic because it doesn't give me any impression that 0v actually wants to be associated with the miselim but it's comfortable letting it go through.
now let's say you're 0verki11 and you're town and you scumread bugs and shit right? you're logging in and seeing the town correctly wagon your only scumread. this is a positive experience. there isn't any triumph in 0v's tone and it actually frequently cites low wim.
why does it feel the need to increase wim if it's totally getting its way?
like the whole iso is just fake stuff motivated by optics > sorting- the worst
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those quotes were accidental, but illustrative- the worst
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also if anyone is reading that along with 0v's iso and just flatly disagrees with my take please speak up because I am wrong ~3 times a year and it hasn't happened yet.- the worst
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one could even say
I'm not wrong
I'm just an asshole
dw this D1 was a bit of a dud. we just need to torture people into playing the game.
osuka/looker has like 0-1 scum in it and they both kinda just need to focus on other things so I can sort it out
people picking fights with ICs D1 isn't scum indicative it's more like, mindset indicative. identifying ICs as miselimable and then backing off or getting angrey when they're revealed is a scum indicator. picking big vocal fights with ICs D1 then moving onto other shit when they're revealed is town indicative. I don't have a strong opinion on which of those osuka did => I need osuka to do AI things.
looker tends to towntell accidentally if town so don't feel as rushed about sorting looker- the worst
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that's a good take. this game has a bunch of null content, we should kick it into gear and get some alignment indicators.
that would be great re redtea. I don't really have a read on them. they've just kinda slowly drifted down my read list.- the worst
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what's your opinion on Gypyx & osuka- the worst
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ok writing this offIn post 661, Dunnstral wrote:as for bugspray... it's their fault for having a meta where they fake claim ridiculous roles as mafia, and then true claiming their ridiculous role and expecting not to die for it
they were the lead wagon for like all of d1
what part of their play before the claim was scum indicative in the slightest?- the worst
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you're very accountable for that miselim, dunnstral.
off a mod iso i had you pinned as like a peak scum suspect because of how negligently you voteparked bugspray. reading over d1, i'm doubling down on that impression. i don't think you were interested in evaluating their alignment, so i'm expecting something pretty damning here.- the worst
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this is basically where i got to as well.In post 664, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:It looks town at first but gives out few reads and scumreads two town.
Possible scum for me
Redtea that is.
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their content is pretty much fine tonally & they do enough work that they're obviously playing to their wincon. no idea what that wincon is. they've been pushing a bunch of incorrect/kinda off stuff, so gth i'd say scum.
i like, dislike their reads just a little... not sure if it's just because we read the game in different ways tho..... i think i just need to see some trajectory/update from redtea now that they've been proven very wrong.- the worst
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just gonna try and open your brain a little on this.
i see you disagreed pretty enthusiastically about truth, did you make an effort to parse why bugspray clearly consistently and heavily scumread truth?
why are you townreading redtea and/or superbowl9? if you heavily disagreed with bugs' read again, where was the effort to talk about your coming to opposing conclusions?
missing my IC reveal is like, a casually very town indicative level of neglect. why are you considering a single vote on an IC scum indicative?
i guess this bleeds into the argument of like.
bugspray has voted half the damn plist. they were crushingly anti-charismatic. how is this scum trying to stay alive?
who the hell would they be aligned with when the entire list was dunking on them?
i know like, for a fact that you're a very capable town player. and i'm anxious about you making the decision to read bugs so superficially.
psyche/osuka/gypyx votechain i also didn't vibe with. but you parked bugs for the entirety of d1 so i'm kinda looking for your thoughts about their earlier voting. like even by the time they made bad votes i thought they looked like wrong-but-obvious town.- the worst
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and just... never reconsidered that anything in bugspray's iso might be earnest this game?In post 671, Dunnstral wrote:I said he was faking it for town points
ok which of bugs' early reads struck you as disagreeable in a scummy way thenIn post 671, Dunnstral wrote:I don't townread redtea
please give me a comparably strong stance / read on superbowl.In post 671, Dunnstral wrote:His superbowl push was weak
besides the fact it's bugspray and they're generally kinda cute/fluffy and whimsical i don't see the similarities at all. can you please explain what struck you as similar in a scum indicative way?In post 671, Dunnstral wrote:His play this game looks like his scum game here: viewtopic.php?f=83&t=83367- the worst
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Truth. Read my posts today.In post 674, Truth wrote:I am quite suspicious of chkflip because Psyche said he wanted to execute him and then he died. Some people are saying this means chkflip is town as this play would be too obvious if chkflip was mafia. But I think because people will think that, it is actually the perfect play to make for him without getting any suspicion.
VOTE: chkflip
There's still probably scope to policy lynch this kittem and for town to win. Low-key I don't actually think they're very towny.
But much more important: VOTE: Dunnstral- the worst
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noIn post 678, chkflip wrote:
Do I claim now, or...?In post 674, Truth wrote:I am quite suspicious of chkflip because Psyche said he wanted to execute him and then he died. Some people are saying this means chkflip is town as this play would be too obvious if chkflip was mafia. But I think because people will think that, it is actually the perfect play to make for him without getting any suspicion.
VOTE: chkflip
Better question: when are you going to stop purposefully playing newb cards?
ideally yes but I don't think they're very self aware.
don't backread if you don't want. why don't you have opinions on things that are happening now?- the worst
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Titus has just entered the chkflip tier. Let her catch up, she's rewarding to have in the game.In post 683, Gypyx wrote:so, i don't really know what to say now that i've made my re-read of this thread
We have good wagons though, let's stop horsing around town VOTE: titus
and chkflip lmao no, u don't need to claim
May I interest you in murdering Dunnstral?
Talk to me about why looker is scum pleaseIn post 684, superbowl9 wrote:I would vote overkill but they just replaced so i think I will first
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Of course, substitute that for "wait til she gets into the swing of things".In post 689, Titus wrote:the worst, I don't read on catch up remember? I get my reads based on in thread interactions and VCs.- the worst
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We uh, can policy elim truth if we need to. Dunnstral hasn't convinced me he's has an honest thought about the game tho lol.
@chk can you show me where he's struck you as like transparently scum hunting please- the worst
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Can you talk to me about what you see here?
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In post 518, Dunnstral wrote:
I played a game with bugspray where they were mafia in a micro and they claimed full commuter that can also give a knife to somebody to kill another personIn post 468, bugspray wrote:going really fast and missing details -> ninja
my actions are preventing other people from doing the right thing -> roleblocker
i dont mind getting exe'd because i know that's the only way for most of you to believe me
The knife part was real
Ninja is not a town role, and also the ninja part of that crumb is shaky at bestIn post 519, Dunnstral wrote:Ninja roleblocker makes no sense as a town role
Worst case scenario: it's not a big lossIn post 586, Dunnstral wrote:In post 578, osuka wrote:intent to hammer bugspray
Do itIn post 584, chkflip wrote:I'd be game if we weren't at three hours.
Intent to hammer so we don't no elim.
Quoted in full form for the drama.In post 671, Dunnstral wrote:
I said he was faking it for town pointsIn post 670, the worst wrote:missing my IC reveal is like, a casually very town indicative level of neglect. why are you considering a single vote on an IC scum indicative?
I don't townread redtea
His superbowl push was weak
His play this game looks like his scum game here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=83367
Bugspray was literally a dead person walking. Can I get opinions on whether people agree with chk on this or whether Dunn is just burying an easy miselim? it feels like the latter to me and I don't really see how this is sorting lol- the worst
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Titus is the new 0verki11
I have no townreads anymore smh- the worst
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I think I would have townread that a few years ago but I'm so tired and grumpy now- the worst
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VOTE: Truth whatever nvm this is mafia- the worst
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my Dunnstral case was not a rxn test but it was clickbait. I think he needs to play harder but I don't think he was unconscionable D1. I like Walter joining me there. chk's response was fine. Truth voting a nullread because I offered it is pretty explicitly wolfy- the worst
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osuka not aligned with truth imo
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would I bus truth?
probably
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Location: with my scumpartners
yeah cool townblock. you seem trustworthy."I would also like to reiterate my claim that Osuka is sort of obviously town" - rc about scumsuka- the worst
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but like who is scum- the worst
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I've never been as null on anyone as I am on Looker. lol. can you like case them a little or show me what you're seeing?
vote staying on truth tbh- the worst
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we uh, can't really talk about reps in detail but like
replace outs are kinda lowkey killing this game, this is wild
just hope the mod graces us with an extension and votepile truth imo- the worst
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looker what are your reads
frankly idc whether you think i should be confident or not. i'm not going to take you shading my competency, but you are welcome to discuss if you think i am wrong.- the worst
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Oh I forgot to mention I don't actually have a clear on Gypyx. lol.
at most there's 1 scum between him and Nash based off D1 stuff I think he's more likely than rand town but the fact he's noped outta the thread is making me a bit lukewarm
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i don't really think he's scum i'm just like, a bit anxious about yelling that he's locktown, lol
he's still >>rand town- the worst
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thank u for keeping me accountable for my nonsense btw- the worst
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what's your case on looker- the worst
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why don't you want to scumread looker, chkflip?- the worst
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truth isn't off the hook because lolmeta imo
but if we're not policy eliming, we're gonna lynch someone with bad associatives/interactions
i actually think it was u who like, pointed out the osuka/looker antisynergy/opportunism vibe- the worst
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also i put words into the mouths ofwhomeveriplease!!!- the worst
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uh i read into you putting one scum in looker & osuka, yea. they don't feel like they're interacting in a way which is mutually wholesome and i think i buy osuka's act somewhat more than looker's ya
can you gimme like a nice tidy review on why truth is scum? i think they're playing opportunistically but they may just be trying not to be eliminated- the worst
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so sassy ~- the worst
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hi nepenthes, are you aligned with the mafia.
walt, why do you prefer a truth elim?- the worst
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hhmmmm my theory here is that i'm more accountable for catching scum than looking good. my arguments can be picked apart and discredited maliciously, they can't prove my alignment.
i'm more interested in the way people post & argue through this gamestate than i am in powering through a looker elim. yes, looker is an easy vote. sure, i can probably case looker. but there's no value add in me doing so.
obviously like anyone who doesn't vote in their next post is just scum stalling out the shitty gamestate. lol.- the worst
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dunn + neppy in a big way.
gypyx's vote is kinda wasted as well imo- the worst
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I'm more vanity than human but yes. let's consolidate.- the worst
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townreads tiered
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chkflip - i wish i was in a world where I was wrong on chk. he's town
Gypyx - still probably town but less confident
osuka - think he rings truer in interactions than looker but I guess I'm not really clearing, I'm potentially kinda wrong on this
Dunnstral - was kinda scumreading but I'm growing lukewarm. he's not towny this game but it's also outside my expectation of Dunn's scumgame. he does not seem interested in looking good (which he is capable of doing). he seems more irritated with my OTT push than invested in rebutting them. scum before the above but not before the below I think?
superbowl9 - still null
nepenthes - still null
poe untiered
Truth - fine kill this idc. truth is still PoE, I think chk is kinda on point that the semblances of play that shine through the gimmick look scum motivated. sort nulls first but this can fairly easily be scum!
Looker - I have spoken about and is a very valid elim like, today, particularly for having associatives with a lot of people I'm kinda uncomfortable/uncomfortable-adjacent with
Titus - 0verki11 was like very wolfy I think. lol. Titus can still be scum I just think she's very worth allowing to play the game regardless of her alignment- the worst
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This entire post is fucking wildIn post 791, Looker wrote:
Are you going to explain why you voted me? I'm convinced you had to wait for redtea to get replaced so you'd have support in your scum PT.In post 784, superbowl9 wrote:I'm back!!
Welcome to everyone who replaced and happy birthday Nepenthes!
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- I feel Truth is a distraction, but whatever.
- I don't understand the worst being combative. Questioning someone's confidence isn't shading (it's laughable how this queer culture slang has entered the mainstream media all of a sudden), especially if there were an actual reason for his confidence. I have to assume that he disagrees with my odds regarding osuka and superbowl. I also think it's iffy that he lied about his cop clear, but whatever, he's an IC. (I'm assuming those can't be faked and I can't actually rely on those, unlike the worst's cop clear)
- Are we really just going to accept osuka saying "lol this is a scumpost" as justification? He and superbowl literally have no reason to vote me, and yet you people are accepting it.
- I've used Titus's reasoning for voting me before, lol, so I really can't say anything
- I have to assume that the worst is performing a shitty reaction test
I've been queer culture a lot longer than I've been a mafia player lol
also have no idea why you think my play here is inadequate but stroppy posting like to this w/o any actual analysis or associatives is exactly what I expect from someone who I'm correctly PoEing- the worst
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ya looker read more amused/curious than offensive, "reign it in" probably too soon but maybe this convo is more interesting postgame. idk.In post 796, Looker wrote:It's literally a word taken from queer culture. What was once stigmatized is now celebrated, and I think that's funny. Just like the removal of the word lynch. This is an interesting shift to observe. lol, "reign it in"- the worst
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Looker response to this is probably interestingIn post 797, superbowl9 wrote:Looker - the worst
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