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I have known truth for a single minute, and truth is too good, too pure for this world.
VOTE: Psyche cause they're a joke

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VOTE: WaltertheDunce10
two completely non-confrontational posts in a row, followed by buddying up to Nash as the first person to have a coherent thought in this thread.
By the way, is there a reason you think it's interesting we have a confirmed town? Is that a thing that you find indicative of the rest of the setup? Actually asking here because I've only ever played a handful of games.
Not that I suggest revealing any specific information (i.e. suspected existence of roles) because, far as I know, that might be too useful for maf. Feel free to inform me otherwise.

For all of you who find truths posts so far deeply jarring, I suggest you look at one of his other normals on here because he somehow made it alive for several days and there’s a lot of very puzzling things about how he played that game

this guy decides to make a "useful" post and it's doing the basic amount of town-work that is skimming previous games.
Not to mention, interesting vote choice after others agreed to ride with truth being nai now. Can't say what that says about who this early, realistically. But if my accuracy is pinpoint, then this split is a symptom.

like, don't get me wrong, I'm not condemning fun. But like, way to go for first impressions guys. these two are my page 3 maf reads. no need to thank me.

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I’m on my phone so I really can’t be bothered to quote the above, _but_: There is a confirmed town aligned player and you obviously can’t read me worth a shit

fight me
also I think you misread me literally, I wasn't... disputing the existence of a confirmed town. Or you're implying something and I'm dumb. which is plausible.

For all of you who find truths posts so far deeply jarring, I suggest you look at one of his other normals on here because he somehow made it alive for several days and there’s a lot of very puzzling things about how he played that game

Not going to go through this work, why not just tell us what happened lol? Also why do you think meta is sufficient to explain this away while inexperience is not?

Also glad you've solved the game before 100 posts redtea

clearly. indisputably.
players fear me. mods hate me.

a touch more seriously, after reading truth's last game for 2 minutes, holy shit guys I've cracked it. Truth is absolutely a gimmick account.
1) truth always lies
or
2) truth decides between lying and truth-telling every game. Unknown whether he's lying now.
the game where they're vanilla town? They didn't just claim mason miller. Truth pretended they had

buddies

they were talking to. That's some crazy shit and I respect it.

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Yes, I have played a few games on a forum mafia site for my university.

This is a lie, but it doesn't make them Scum.

Otherwise,

I will try not to be too obnoxious, but no promises.

a lie, huh....

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Maybe he was expecting you to distance from walter

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superbol9 posts add nothing original and just ask really easy questions
VOTE: superbowl9

take for ecample 98there's no followup
i'd expect a town who actually wanted another player's reads to really follow up

what the fuck is 166 "for now"? he never even had shade on dunn before and is acting like a scumread is now townish

hes just asking people low ahnging fruit questions

You just gonna ignore #66, #97, #136?
Dunnstral responded to 98 well enough for early game.
As for 166, don't people start as neutral? Is that not an escalation from neutral -> town? If it was originally a SR or lean would it not be maf -> neutral?

The question

I

have is if he kept his RVS vote on purpose.

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[forgot the first part of my last post whoops. Probably isn't worth including but I will jic]

well fuck, we moved on.
All I was gonna say is we can still read people based on

their

reads, plus associations with other players, so. Not being able to rely on the details for providing ai info isn't necessarily a

huge

problem, especially since they didn't claim a power role.
Anyway

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Hey hey, let's keep it cool yeah?

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uhhhh my wim is gone
I only posted once
Bugspray can be wolf or town why am I like this
Gyp can be scum why not
All of this probably contridicts what I said earlier mbmb

ok looking at what I said earlier I came to the conclusion that bugspray is more wolfy than town
but I dont see Gyp and Bugspray being wolf friends

Did you go through bugspray a whole 'nother time and decide he was more neutral? Nothing wrong with changing an opinion.

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I'm fucking stupid
my sincerest apologies

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Hot take: Psyche/Osuka are scumbuddies.
What do

you

think? T/S? S/S?

More on this soon...

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Here's some thoughts on Psyche.

Spoiler: Psyche, #249

VOTE: psyche I agree he's fucking weird in a scum way

can you try going into a little detail

No accusation here. No bewilderment. No analysis. No nothing.
bugspray is voting Psyche at this moment.
Is he trying to seem rational/townie in comparison to bugspray? Idk, but he doesn't follow up on it when bugspray doesn't respond. Doesn't try to get further explanation, or point anything out about it or bugspray

On the topic of #213...

Spoiler: Psyche, #210

For all of you who find truths posts so far deeply jarring, I suggest you look at one of his other normals on here because he somehow made it alive for several days and there’s a lot of very puzzling things about how he played that game

Not going to go through this work, why not just tell us what happened lol?

no i mean you really really really should go through his iso in that game because nothing i can say here would even come remotely close to conveying just how outstandingly bizarre that game was

what i can tell you is that his behavior this game so far is a good indicator of what you'll see in the other thread

wasn't truth town in that game? if so, why did you vote for him here if his posts here are similar to his posts there?

felt like it

That's actually a way better answer than I was expecting, thanks.

You’re welcome

were you expecting me to flame you or what

just as a side note osuka has an interesting style reflected here and in the rest of his iso that seems simultaneously self-conscious (really attentive to how his posts appear) and irreverent (apathetic about coming off as coarse). strikes me as a conflict, potentially even a little disingenuous, but could easily prove innocuous.

"potentially even a little disingenuous,

could easily prove innocuous

." Looks like a red flag to me. Where's the pressure? Sure, he does vote for osuka.

Later.

But this disclaimer only makes it all the easier to retract it.
I'd hazard to say he deliberately put off his vote so it wouldn't seem contradictory to include his statements and a vote in the same post. Instead he just separates it by (1) response from osuka.
I do agree with Psyche's evaluation of osuka's posts being "self-conscious". Whereas I would've pushed based on that, Psyche didn't. Which is. A choice, I guess. But again, Psyche deliberately softened it.
On the other hand, I agree with osuka's

Spoiler: Psyche #250

VOTE: osuka

213 seems an odd response given that he's developed more specific/coherent negative reads on walter and bugspray since his truth vote. early votes by default are baseless and ambiguous but it's suspicious that osuka's complacent about keeping that way given that even in his view he has other options.

omegalul

are you really trying to tell me what my reads are? my hungover brain balks at the thought of having to come up with words to describe just how a complete dumpster fire piece of shit this post is

no i would have used the second rather than the third person if i were trying to tell you what your reads are. i'm not trying to convince you to self-vote, after all.

put it this way:

he's developed more specific/coherent negative reads on walter and bugspray since his truth vote

. early votes by default are baseless and ambiguous but it's suspicious that osuka's complacent about keeping that way given that

even in his view he has other options

.

emphasis mine.

the bolded text is truly honestly disgusting and does not come from town. You're trying to spin a single sentence i posted for each slot and trying to push me based off of the fact that I said "walter's post rubs me off wrong" so therefore I must think he's scum. That's dogshit

to be completely clear: if i think someone is scum, i'll say it. and right now, i think you're scum.
VOTE: psyche

this just seems like omgus. it's overly reductive, too. not much in it that i can actually appreciate. i still like my vote.

Now here's the thing. As emotional (deliberately so I think, as I'll touch on later) as osuka's response is, I agree with it to an extent. Psyche's thing here was pretty baseless. The way he's been pushing osuka is half-assed, as shown here. He doesn't address the shit osuka pointed out at all.
It isn't until 35 posts after #215 that he properly evaluates osuka at all, in #255

So that's one half of this theory, right?

Spoiler: osuka #244

VOTE: osuka

213 seems an odd response given that he's developed more specific/coherent negative reads on walter and bugspray since his truth vote. early votes by default are baseless and ambiguous but it's suspicious that osuka's complacent about keeping that way given that even in his view he has other options.

omegalul

are you really trying to tell me what my reads are? my hungover brain balks at the thought of having to come up with words to describe just how a complete dumpster fire piece of shit this post is

no i would have used the second rather than the third person if i were trying to tell you what your reads are. i'm not trying to convince you to self-vote, after all.

put it this way:

he's developed more specific/coherent negative reads on walter and bugspray since his truth vote

. early votes by default are baseless and ambiguous but it's suspicious that osuka's complacent about keeping that way given that

even in his view he has other options

.

emphasis mine.

the bolded text is truly honestly disgusting and does not come from town. You're trying to spin a single sentence i posted for each slot and trying to push me based off of the fact that I said "walter's post rubs me off wrong" so therefore I must think he's scum. That's dogshit

to be completely clear: if i think someone is scum, i'll say it. and right now, i think you're scum.
VOTE: psyche

Now refer to:

Spoiler: osuka #107

hi all
osuka is town
truth can be town for now I guess?

I see frustrated town vides with Osuka for sure, Overki11
LicketySplit, what is your read on Truth so far?

walter's post rubs me off the wrong way for some nondescript reason

but most importantly let me draw attention to this

I see frustrated town vides with Osuka for sure

BRÖTHER

i'm not frustrated yet, i'm literally just fucking around. when i'm annoyed, you'll know

Hi. I have no idea how to read this post in terms of Townie/Scummy. Could you tell me why you wanted to make this post?

felt like it

Now, I've never played with osuka before.
But that looks like a setup to me.

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Anyway. After spending like 12 hours on and off reading shit, I almost want to call it TvS now. Except they both seem scum so.
Flip a coin I guess.

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Okay I hate multiposting but bugspray you never got back to me either.
That and I forgot some other things I was gonna post:

So looker, do you have reason for voting other than hopping on?

If you're town, we use your wagon as PoE. I also like assessing the votes on competing wagons, i.e. you and bugspray.

I do think it slight scummy to not reply to it and instead go on about the pronouns, but that is probably a personal issue.

Do you think the pronoun outrage is a gimmick/AtE?

Slight scum feeling on bugspray, Psyche
Neutral on truth Overkii Looker
Town Gypyx Nash Osuka Superbowl

Do you typically not vote the people you think are scum?

I know you're voting bugspray now, but I hope you know that you'd be included in any such PoE pool.

Slight scum feeling on bugspray, Psyche
Neutral on truth Overkii Looker
Town Gypyx Nash Osuka Superbowl

Like how I'm voting this guy yet he has no read for me. Weak.

Edit Reread of nash puts them neutal with tl due to not understanding why my lurking would be scummy.

I bet it's to refrain from putting too many big players next to ya scum buddy, so you picked the least active one on your town list and kicked him down a notch. Funny, "least active". In other words, "most lurker-ish".
Defending "reasonable arguments for why you yourself are scum" is also not a good look. You're siding yourself with your own town reads.
Breakdown: Gypyx voted Walter. Nash asked Gypyx why Walter. Walter said Nash was downgraded in his reads for "not understanding why my lurking would be scummy." This is defending Gypyx's views, therefore their town authority.
It's kind of funny because, Nash was asking why Walter's posts were bad, he wasn't questioning the scum-weight of lurking. Walter misinterpreted his response it seems.

(I realize now that here I'm accusing Walter/Osuka scumbuddies. So, I'll say this is where the coin flips for me. Unless it

is

Walter/osuka/Psyche, which would be

wild

. But I'm not that arrogant.)

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Redtea, if s v s why do you think they would have their argument?

Nash voted Psyche in #184
Followed by confirmed town LQ anti-town-reading Psyche in #222.

Simultaneously, no one except Walter had shown a good opinion of osuka yet afai remember.
If people are going to have negative opinions of both, it's best people see it as one or the other.
All that, and the generous reads of osuka that Psyche was giving. Combined with osuka's ott OMGUSy-ness, as noticed by many now.

Just for that extra crazy: From a walter/psyche/osuka standpoint- interesting that psyche and osuka were on opposite ends at Post #195.

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I'm aware
I did, but my reread of Nash I realized i needed to see more,

fair enough.

I really was not sure where you stood at the time, but are more town since my post.

The audacity of this man. I can't say I've seen someone double down quite like this.

Kinda bums me out that no one's voting walter anymore, but I really could see who flips between osuka and Psyche, so I might as well.
VOTE: Psyche

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Sorry my back was turned for a bit there. So I don't know what my thoughts on bugspray are at the moment or what all developments have been made, but with this accusation that bugspray hasn't made posts of content followed by a quick skim of their iso, either that is correct or bugspray has been making short but sweet interactions and iirc has definitely made some that fall under the latter. Which brings me to think psyche and osuka are targeting their playstyle and dressing it up as less than it is.
The fact that this is coming from psyche and osuka, two of my biggest sus reads.
I don't know if anyone else's in their corner on this issue rn or not because I have to read shit, but this is definitely affecting my view of them, specifically, and not in a good way.

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"Not in a good way", as in, "reinforcing my maf read".