Mini Normal 2154 - Endgame

[Gypyx]

Wow, game starts just as i wake up, perfect

VOTE: Overki11 with a name like that, no way this guy isn't scum

[Gypyx]

Wdym you're not familiar with me? Smh i had like 10 posts in Hard-boiled isn't that enough?

[Gypyx]

I'd like to tell a good story about that but honestly that's just some random letters i threw together while trying to make them sound cool, what about you?

[Gypyx]

Great, now that we trust each other, wanna tell me if you're scum?

[Gypyx]

I'm town too, guess that makes 2 confirmed townies then

[Gypyx]

Hello, everyone. This is my second game on this site. In my last one I claimed mason miller which caused a lot of confusion for the town so I will be aiming to be completely truthful for this game. I am a vanilla townie again and have no active abilities.

What a coincidence i'm Vanilla Townie too ! Man... moderators putting duplicate roles, gets old pretty fast

[Gypyx]

In all seriousness truth, the problem with VT's claiming is that it gives scum valuable information, and helps them narrow the PoE for power roles. So, Stop telling your role even if you are VT

[Gypyx]

Hello, everyone. This is my second game on this site. In my last one I claimed mason miller which caused a lot of confusion for the town so I will be aiming to be completely truthful for this game. I am a vanilla townie again and have no active abilities.

What a coincidence i'm Vanilla Townie too ! Man... moderators putting duplicate roles, gets old pretty fast

In the last game I played there were a lot of vanilla townie roles.

That was Irony, of course there is going to be a lot of vanilla townies

[Gypyx]

also @truth, were you scum i the game where you claimed Mason Miller?

[Gypyx]

i mean, my VT claim was a joke but yeah feel free to vote me

[Gypyx]

and Nash i kinda doubt that it's a secret alt, because would

[Gypyx]

fuck

[Gypyx]

and Nash i kinda doubt that it's a secret alt, because would a player really go through the trouble of playing a town game while making a really absurd fake-claim for no reason other than make himself look like Newbtown in a future game?

[Gypyx]

what's cognitive load? i've heard of it but i forgot

[Gypyx]

what's cognitive load? i've heard of it but i forgot

It refers to the used amount of working memory resources, that is theoretically more likely to be conveyed by scum being the informed faction. Credit to a user called clidd.

and, what's making Truth a case of congnitive load?

[Gypyx]

also Truth, we're at page 2 and you're only person who has done things that we can consider as meaningful so yeah, seems acceptable to me that he's being pushy on you

[Gypyx]

i don't really get the link with memory there, she mentions a precedent game therefore he's scummy?

[Gypyx]

ah i see, yeah that might be a good point

@thruth do you have any experience in other werewolf-like platforms? Litterally any

[Gypyx]

any thougths on what happened as of right now Walter?

[Gypyx]

by the way i'm pretty sure that truth's alignement won't be too hard to figure out, so it's not really an important topic, would be best if we focused on other things

[Gypyx]

but now that i think about it pretty much nothing else happened so... x)

[Gypyx]

I think thruth's last post comes from a town mindset, even though it's a really weird one
I read it as if Truth is convinced that they aren't scum, which would be quite hard to replicate for a newbscum

But yea agreed, very odd, very very odd

[Gypyx]

I mean, truth would be a fitting name for a crazy-lies only account yeah

[Gypyx]

For all of you who find truths posts so far deeply jarring, I suggest you look at one of his other normals on here because he somehow made it alive for several days and there’s a lot of very puzzling things about how he played that game

Not going to go through this work, why not just tell us what happened lol?

no i mean you really really really should go through his iso in that game because nothing i can say here would even come remotely close to conveying just how outstandingly bizarre that game was

what i can tell you is that his behavior this game so far is a good indicator of what you'll see in the other thread

If redtead / truth are scum, redtea would have to be in a pretty suicidal mood to dare defend so hard a partner that's probably gonna end up lynched sooner or later

[Gypyx]

Didn't meant to quote, fuck

[Gypyx]

The problem with pressuring truth is that thier plays are so bizzare that it's hard to really understeand what alignement they come from, i kinda lean towards them being town rn
Also @Lickety, any idea why you are SR'ing truth?

Pedit : well, another weird post from truth, i agree that bugspray is acting a little bit scummy right now, but i don't get the reasoning behind the goon, guess that's just truth things

[Gypyx]

VOTE: bugspray

I'd also be fine with a wagon on walter or superbowl rn

[Gypyx]

Yeah i get that's probably a lie, but honestly i think we just have to accept that there will be no sort of coherence in truth's posting

[Gypyx]

My point is that i don't think we will get much out of pressuring truth

If he's town, he'll stick to whatever he's up to
and if he's scum there won't be much difference, and i don't think his scummates would try to risk themselves to protect him

I'm also pretty sure that truth's alignement will be quite obvious after a few moments, so added pressure isn't necessary

[Gypyx]

Btw, if any investigatives consider checking truth, don't, at least for now, it's not worth revealing yourself just so that we can know truth's alignement, i might be stating the obvious but i'd rather be safe

[Gypyx]

Yeah so, to launch a new topic, does anyone who have played with bugpray recalls them having a kinda weird playstyle?

(Like, 1/3 of bug's posts are naked votes, the rest is fluff / not so great cases)

[Gypyx]

Wait bugspray at Exe-3? Lmao

VOTE: Walter

[Gypyx]

I'd like to generate more wagonomics, therefore having different avalible wagons is good

And the problem is that it reached E-3 without anyone really pushing for it, which makes it more likely imo that scum is on it

[Gypyx]

I don't agree there, top wagons can easily be town vs town, unless there's something i'm missing?

[Gypyx]

Man, is bugspray jest?

[Gypyx]

Jester*

[Gypyx]

Yeah so, to launch a new topic, does anyone who have played with bugpray recalls them having a kinda weird playstyle?

(Like, 1/3 of bug's posts are naked votes, the rest is fluff / not so great cases)

I'd still like if that post were to be answered please

[Gypyx]

Why walter gypyx?

Also I understand why bugspray's take was bad but dunnstral can you explain to me why you think it's bad? Just so we're on the same page

He's lurking, and his posts are overall pretty bad

[Gypyx]

I'm talking about walter, chill out

[Gypyx]

Well, he sticks to doing non-commiting posts that don't really mean anything new / push the game foward,

[Gypyx]

Edit Reread of nash puts them neutal with tl due to not understanding why my lurking would be scummy.

Following your logic, wouldn't scum be more likely to push on someone who is town and acting scummy?

[Gypyx]

Yeah, but you're saying it like it makes them a lesser townie, have i misunderstood that part?

[Gypyx]

Let it be known that I do not feel Psyche is working with Town, but against it.

hey, i'd be intersted in seeing more details about this post, seems like you missed it the first time someone did

[Gypyx]

Well, he sticks to doing non-commiting posts that don't really mean anything new / push the game foward,

Gypyx I still don't get your case on Walter (at that point in the game). He's "noncommital" and lurky sure, but there are others who would match this description as well. Was Walter just the first one to cross off the list, or did he say something specifically that flagged you?

well, around the time of that post, Walter was the only one who has only made posts without game-related content / where he just agrees without someone's read, scince then he kinda started to put a bit more content, but i'm still kind of uneasy with him

[Gypyx]

anyways, i just tried to get my head back into that game, it's 23:45, i'm off to get sleep, pls don't hammer

[Gypyx]

ok so reads list because superbowl asked for it, please give feedback on the formatting i'm trying out stuff

townreads

redtea : multiple townpings from him, mostly about the fact that he does theories only to make them evolve very shortly after, i think that's a hard mindset to reproduce as scum

Dunnstral : kinda quiet player, but the fact that he isn't really caring about the 3 top wagons, while still making the game progress makes me feel good about him, as scum would generally want to focus on where there's the most action

looker :mostly a gut read

neutral reads

overkill : originally had him as a townread considering that his style of posting didn't fit a scum agenda (just stating stuff without pushing the game) but post 225 and 228 are kinda worrying me, so he's going back to the null reads
Truth : the level of skill presented by truth doesn't really help to read him, but i think that it's pretty safe to say that truth didn't really act scummy as of right now, just weirdly
Nash : lack of activity kinda prevents getting a good read, but his posts feel as if he's trying to advance the game so not really a priority

Suka : I really struggle to read this dude, can't find anything town or scummy in him

scumreads

psyche: mostly the same case that Suka, but while scanning his ISO, post 304 pinged me so he's lower on the list

Superbowl : i feel like there's something off about superbowl, but i need to take the time to make a read of his ISO, more on that later
Walter : has been acting scummy at the start of the game, and even after i pushed him, posting didn't really get better

bugspray : already explained why i'm scumreading bugspray, problem is that my 2 other scumreads are voting him, so that's kinda worrying

got a little bit more coming later

(spent 2 hours writing that shit ffs)

[Gypyx]

omg yeah that looks horrible with other font styles i'm sorry x)

[Gypyx]

wow, how did you manage to make a blank post?

[Gypyx]

stop saying that bowl please, i'm not used to being loved D:

[Gypyx]

wagon observations / others :

bugspray :

Why walter gypyx?

Also I understand why bugspray's take was bad but dunnstral can you explain to me why you think it's bad? Just so we're on the same page

He's lurking, and his posts are overall pretty bad

my pronouns are they/them

I doubt that bugspray / walter are scum together scince that scum!bugspray probably wouldn't be oblivious to the point of missing that it's thier scumbuddy who is being attacked, but i kinda see them missing that i'm talking about walter in every other case

superbol9 posts add nothing original and just ask really easy questions
VOTE: superbowl9

take for ecample 98there's no followup
i'd expect a town who actually wanted another player's reads to really follow up

what the fuck is 166 "for now"? he never even had shade on dunn before and is acting like a scumread is now townish

hes just asking people low ahnging fruit questions

this post feels like distancing, that like, this is the only proper case that bugspray has ever made, but they still don't actually push on it, and it also happens right after bugspray reaises that they're probably getting lycnhed, so that a weird timing in addition to that

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so, pretty much it for now, i still thinking buspray is the better execution for today, at least from my reads it is (no i did NOT almost say lynched, not true)

VOTE: Bugspray

this is exe-1

[Gypyx]

superbowl is towny
psyche im still trying to work out tbh
Bugspray seems like possibly an alright kill?
rereading thread to see if I can pick up on anything new, then will post a vote

Could this be a post that overkill meant to post to his mafia thread? He is talking about killing bugspray rather than executing them.


Walter, I want Nash to claim because he is suspicious and it would give him less time to think about his claim later if he is mafia. I would like Nash to say whether he is okay with claiming.

Using "kill" instead of executing isn't a problem, i've seen plenty of townies do that, and the rest of the post clearly isn't meant for scum

And no, unnecessary D1 claims are pointless, don't do that

[Gypyx]

Well, first, in what world does mafia consider bugspray as the nightkill?

Second "trying to work out" just on it's own is a very unlikely sentance to be made, like i can see "trying to work out what to do with this" / "trying to work out if they're a PR" but i don't see that bit alone

And then, him calling superbowl "towny" isn't something i'd see if a maf PT

[Gypyx]

True but like, it's an accumulation of these small details that make me think that this isn't really belonging in a mafia PT, i think i'll check overkill's previous scumgames still to be safe

[Gypyx]

Then looks like we're agreeing

[Gypyx]

Ok so 2 IC's, i think it's safe to say that we have some sort of protecting role

And apart from that we have only 1 day left, so if anyone has some big objections to bugspray being lynched, now would be the time to come out

[Gypyx]

I don't really trust in bug's claim tbh, thier crumb is pretty weak (done at post 25 in thier iso, and could've easily be passed off as a normal message if they didn't want to claim)
And also, they might be scum claiming thier real role (would explain the late crumb, as bug would've spent some time discussing this with thier teammates, i had this happen in an scum game 1 month ago)

Or this could just be Bug making up a claim, after all, ninja basically tells "hey Action investigative roles, go off of me, you'll find nothing there" and a roleblocker is pretty hard to disprove, although that's a fairly big chunk of power

[Gypyx]

Ok so bug, since you're online, why would you wait so long to crumb?

[Gypyx]

You're a ninja roleblocker, that's probably as susp of a role as you can get, and yet, you don't think about making your claim a little bit more credible when you'll eventually need to come out?

[Gypyx]

I'd advise you to check other NK15 seutps, he does a lot of... "original" stuff

[Gypyx]

does he do throw-offy roles like include a ninja but not a tracker?

Yes he did once, but the role ninja was included in was total chaos :
"Disloyal Informed Macho Neighbor Ninja Night 1-2 Babysitter"
There also was some additional syngery with other roles, but in our cases i don't see a ninja roleblocker synergyzing with a lot of stuff

[Gypyx]

But his games always rely aroud a concept, from what i've seen, so no reason to think this one is any different

[Gypyx]

WHHHHATTTTT

[Gypyx]

Ok, i really have to reconsider my scumreads there

[Gypyx]

Yeah, a full roleblocker definetly doesn't fit in a 3 IC setup

[Gypyx]

Bugspray, it looks like you're the execution, if your town, now would be the time to start preparing for that

[Gypyx]

Well, we have less than a day left so see you D2 i guess

[Gypyx]

Yeah it has, doesn't hurt to point it out again though

[Gypyx]

Also, just noting that bowl's reaction to bugspray's claim is also susp if bug flips red, i really have to make me read of bowl's ISO

[Gypyx]

ok so let's think about the setup

with 3 IC's, we probably only have the room for one Medium-high powered role or 2 relatively weak pr's

so, can bugspray be that remaining PR?

a roleblocker would probably mean that there isn't any kind of additional power in town, so therefore the ninja would have to either be :

modWifom trying to make bug think threre's a Action Investigative town role (unlikely, after all we have 3 fucking IC's)

Straight up ModWifom that doesn't mean anything : unrealistic, NK15's setup mostly rely around themes, and i don't see pointless wifom fitting in there

or a way to counter a mafia tracker / watcher, but that would mean that this would be a useless maf pr, and while this is a possibility, i personally think it's highly unlikely

therefore odds are very high that bug is scum, if that's not the case we should look for tracker / watcher crumbs, as those have some decent chances of being maf

[Gypyx]

also, please not that bugspray is at exe-2, not -1

[Gypyx]

Truth, problem is that even if they're actually scum, a claim serves no prupose, so please, let him go without claim and go do other stuff

[Gypyx]

Psyche is an IC, and so if Walter

[Gypyx]

problem is, you're assuming that a claim would put him in a bad postion, which is wrong, we know a heavy part of town's power so there's no way that this claim makes him go in a bad spot, cuz scum is just gonna claim VT or they are somehow aware that an even better fakeClaim exists

[Gypyx]

not to point out that bugspray had nothing to do with my post but k

[Gypyx]

Oh hey i'm cop checked, weird flex but ok

Anyways i'll try to make a post in around an hour

[Gypyx]

(I'm kinda lacking the time to focus, will take longer than planned)

[Gypyx]

@looker, there cannot be any cop altering role in normals, and SK's aren't allowed in minis so i'm conftown yes

also wtf suka, throwing doubt at an IC, you always do that?

[Gypyx]

i talked about the worst

[Gypyx]

Anyways here's the PoE of remaining scum

0verki11,osuka,Dunnstral,Truth,Looker,superbowl9,chkflip,redtea,


I agree with the 4 scum theory, maybe there is a traitor? would be good to try to look for potential signals then

Reading truth will be a mess, i'd still rather forget about reading them, unless you bring out a compelling case

@chkflip

i still need to make my re-read of superbowl, why am i being so lazy

@the worst

could you explain how Overkill is scum? and your whole PoE in general?

i'm ok with leaving Chk alone to let him produce some content

--and from the rest of the playerlist (osuka,Dunnstral,Looker,redtea) i'm mostly looking at looker (haha laugh pls) and suka in terms of scum

what is everyone's opinion on Truth currently?

[Gypyx]

- i'm interested in everyone's opinion, yeah i've seen that post

- and i forgot about post 619, sorry about that

[Gypyx]

it's hard to judge Over's posting, but now that i'm re-reading it, there is actually some stuff that's bothering me, like post 225 feels pretty TMI-ish for instance

and yeah, i like presentes, can i have a present

[Gypyx]

Reading truth will be a mess, i'd still rather forget about reading them, unless you bring out a compelling case @chkflip

No case, just a p1 read. I'll get back to reading now.

p1 read? what does that mean?

[Gypyx]

you already got one
What's your read on 0v's slot

scumlean, not too strong, but considering the small size of his ISO, it's hard to be sure of anything

[Gypyx]

as for bugspray... it's their fault for having a meta where they fake claim ridiculous roles as mafia, and then true claiming their ridiculous role and expecting not to die for it

I'm off to sleep, just wanna point out that this post feels like scum who has a guilty consciouness and tries to overexplain his past actions, in this situation i don't think a town mindest would feel the need to justify his actions

[Gypyx]

Do we think there could be two mafia teams in this game? All of the confirmed townies and the cop means this game would be hard for only one mafia team.

Multiballs aren't allowed in minis

[Gypyx]

The worst is a cop IC with an inno on me
Walter is an IC
Psyche was an IC

I'll make a bigger post in ~1-2 hours

[Gypyx]

so, i don't really know what to say now that i've made my re-read of this thread

We have good wagons though, let's stop horsing around town VOTE: titus

and chkflip lmao no, u don't need to claim

[Gypyx]

(Sorry for the recent inactivity, i'll get back to the game soon)

[Gypyx]

ok... got a shitload of catching up to do, that's gonna be painful, i'll be back in like, an hour

[Gypyx]

hey yeah so i'm back, i feel like i can't read shit but anyways here i am

on the truth situation, if we all assume that truth is some sort of newbie who's really bad at playing in a readable way, then they have pretty much random odds of being scum / town, of course there's chkflip who says they show newb!scum patterns, but if it hasn't been done yet, i'd like him to take a look at the other game that truth played and see if he sees the same kind of patterns emerge. regardless, now's a long term decision : do we want to keep truth for probably the end of the game, or do we want to be done with them ASAP cuz getting rid of them mid-game will much likely be sub-optimal

getting rid of them right now would put town in an average / bad position, because getting associative reads based on truth will be really hard, so even in the case where they flip scum, there isn't much for town to snowball off of

or

keeping them, now, this would give town a better postion right now, and better odds to snowball, but if we make it to a LyLo without any sort of advantage, having truth still here is going to be a huge problem

so considering this, i'm not sure what's the best course of actions, i'd advise keeping truth to take advantage of our IC's while we have them alive instead of wasting that time on truth


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also why is everyone letting duunstal off the hook? i don't see anything super towny from him

PEdit : also UNVOTE: for now, i'm considering swtich to duunstal

[Gypyx]

not gonna lie, i don't like any of the top wagons, but at the same time i feel like i can't make any good thought about the game, so i'm just gonna go on looker given that the IC's are here, and that i'm not a fan of policy lynches VOTE: looker

you are allowed to call me an idiot

[Gypyx]

I had some previous scumpings on him
(i can mention the fact that he tries to justify the bugspray lynch afterwards without any outside reason)
and the fact that suspicion kinda slided off him without any of his posts striking me as towny
(might be cuz i can't read shit)

[Gypyx]

Also. Gypyx said that he hated policy elims and that the ICs were voting me. They weren't. Superbowl and osuka were voting me. The ICs were voting Truth.

But a good point, gypyx were you reading

I did read just that i misread the VC

Anyways, my scumhunting is terrible, so to put that here, i'll just focus on finding other town to sheep if y'all don't mind, or i can try to scumhunt and just assume that i'm wrong

Also just a quick point, why did looker hammer truth even if he wanted to flip him the least out of all players, survivalism?

[Gypyx]

Also just a quick point, why did looker hammer truth even if he wanted to flip him the least out of all players, survivalism?

survivalism? sad bus attempt in light of an impending scum flip? you name it

I was more asking to looker himself but thanks

[Gypyx]

Also, i'm making a guess here, does truth insisting to get a claim from Nash (now chkflip) is a poor attempt from him to distanciate from his scummates?

Cuz like, as well as that i find chk's vote on truth to be weird, as there isn't any reason he mentions why he's voting him, and he even proceeds to push harder on looker, while voting truth, which seems a little contradictory to me

[Gypyx]

I've attempted stand up, it's why I'm a Stand Up Guy.

Titus is definitely smart enough to bus, it just doesn't read like a bus to me (which is one reason I'm looking forward to their VCA tomorrow). And as much as I'd like to point at Nep for one reason or another (coming straight in with the Truth vote, for example) something about their posting is ringing town to me. PoE.

I wanna hear all about this tomorrow

The truth wagon was town directed, thats something to pick apart when we see a flip

Talk to me, Nep.

literally just fucking iso me. my reasons for voting looker haven't changed from day 2

It's less that Idk your intentions and more I'm not certain I follow them as much today. I thought maybe the hammer was his bus attempt for last second town cred, but what's the scum motivation in saying he wanted Truth the least after hammering him? I believe worst and Nep had valid points regarding that in twilight.

VOTE: Osuka
I agree

Which parts do you agree with?

Also just a quick point, why did looker hammer truth even if he wanted to flip him the least out of all players, survivalism?

Absolutely it was survivalism. He said as much himself in his hammer vote. What do you think about that?

Also, i'm making a guess here, does truth insisting to get a claim from Nash (now chkflip) is a poor attempt from him to distanciate from his scummates?

Cuz like, as well as that i find chk's vote on truth to be weird, as there isn't any reason he mentions why he's voting him, and he even proceeds to push harder on looker, while voting truth, which seems a little contradictory to me

Not to be the pot calling the kettle black (by saying check my ISO when in this same post I just questioned osuka on that) here, but I absolutely called that out in some of my first posts in D2. I was hoping to get more from the playerlist before voting there myself; however, Truth just continued to scum it up before I could really get any more out of anybody else. The post just prior to my switching to Looker is what I was talking about when I switched.

Show me, though, where I pushed Looker when voting Truth, because I don't think that's anything more than a misrepresentation.

You say you're reading the the thread and that your ability to scum hunt is lacking. Unfortunately, you're going to have to dive into the wolves den here because we don't have time to have anyone shielding themselves with inexperience as we a) just lynched one player who newb carded the thread up as much as they possibly could've, and b) have these instances where you're claiming to have misread things like a vote count (which is pretty cut and dry) wherein you voted the counterwagon instead of scum.

Alright, any views chkflip on who ?

I'm

assuming

you're asking for my opinion/reads.

I still only have Dunnstral as town by way of gut and tone of posts. I have no other solid town reads aside from maybe Nep and Titus but an experienced player can always make it seem like they're mindmelding with town. And I think I've yet to play a game with Titus where I didn't go full China on her and assume she's guilty until proven innocent. I want to believe I can read the woman but honestly I don't really think that I can. Though I think she may be on to something here:

VOTE: Gypyx

This is a placeholder while I wait for Titus and replies.

POV : Chkflip votes truth while pushing on looker i mean, even if you don't call that a push, you can't deny that you were voting looker and switched to truth without giving any reason why looker is higher on your town list

well, i'm not sure about the survivalism, i kinda see looker!scum do that in a world where either : his scummate is already on the wagon and therefore can't ahmmer for him, or his scummate has firmly placed himself as anti-lyching truth,

which would go against a bowl/looker, and maybe more softly a suka/looker scumteam in my opinion

but there is also odds that it's just town!looker choosing to lynch someone that has odds to be scum rather than a 100% conftown guy to him (himself)
it was also done as a reaction test to be fair


and yeah, i'm trying, but my point is that i'm bad at scumhunting

and to be fair, it's not the first time where i just make a major misread of some post, i can link you some examples if u want

[Gypyx]

My activity drops much lower on Saturdays. Those are my DnD days.

I'm seeing Osaka and superbowl as possibly aligned pairs. Same for Neph and Looker. I doubt the remaining scumteam would have one from each pairing. One of the four with one of Chkflip and Gypyx is a possibility. Chkflip and Gypx are also not likely partners because of chkflip immediately voting Gypyx once Gypyx expresses suspicion. chkflip + Looker is still a possibility.

My Gypyx read is gut but I'm a little worried about chkflip, ngl. 1) chkflip hasn't gone after me and 2) Chkflip pushed for Looker and only changed after I speculated he could be scum.

Dunn needs to post.

That's a TLDR of where I'm at with scumteams.

so basically if i get what you're saying right the teams you have in mind are :

Osuka / Bowl

Neph / Looker

(Osuka, Bowl, Neph, Looker) / ( Gypyx, Chk)

<- really intersted to see what's your reasoning behind this one

and teams you rule out are

(Osuka, Bowl) / (Neph, Looker)

<- same here

Gypyx / Chkflip

just trying to lay everything down

[Gypyx]

kinda wanna vote chkflip there but i'm not really sure about myself there

[Gypyx]

Vote Count 1.1

bugspray(4)superbowl9,Dunnstral,Truth,Gypyx,

Not Voting(4)

LicketyQuickety

,WaltertheDunce10,Looker,0verki11,

Truth(3)Nash,osuka,bugspray,

WaltertheDunce10(1)redtea,

Gypyx(1)Psyche,

LicketyQuickety

(0)

osuka(0)

superbowl9(0)

Dunnstral(0)

Looker(0)

Nash(0)

redtea(0)

Psyche(0)

0verki11(0)

No Execute (0)


With 13 alive it is 7 to execute, and 7 to No Execute.

Day 1 begins and ends in (expired on 2020-07-28 02:40:00) or when an execution has been achieved.

Town points for chkflip, minor scum points for Gypx (would be major but he's neighbors with flipped scum). Minor town points for Osaka.

Neihbor with flipped scum? What does that mean?

[Gypyx]

And i don't find that scum has been ineffective? Like what tells you that? Truth was pretty much guaranteed to get lynched at some point

[Gypyx]

oh only 2 days until deadline, fuck

the fact that i still can't get any read on suka worries me, and i don't really think we have time for a superbowl wagon titus

VOTE: Oksua

[Gypyx]

Well i mean, kinda hard to have additional reasons when you just can't read a slot right?
But the fact that's he's also against looker (who i think is town) also adds on the reasons i wanna vote Suka, like i could see them being town on town, but it's an accumulation of details

[Gypyx]

hmmm, how many peoples would be in for a superbowl flashwagon? i think we got at least 3

damn, i really need to put some effort into that

[Gypyx]

how would you rate the odds of scum!looker?

[Gypyx]

also, just saying that now, but like, nep being an alt kinda

[Gypyx]

fuck

also, just saying that now, but like, nep being an alt kinda worries me, considering that the slot he replaced in was fairly scummy

[Gypyx]

yeah, he would be at the top of my town list if it weren't for the fact that he replaced into a scummy slot

[Gypyx]

and what do you think about that?

[Gypyx]

Titus, could you be bothered to explain more? like, the game's not going where you want it to go, maybe it would be better for you to try and shift the game towards what you think is the best path?

[Gypyx]

Also gypyx what was scummy about redtea?

um nevermind, i'm just dumb, i though nep replaced overkill

[Gypyx]

Kinda weird of Titus and Looker get online at the same and also vanish at the same time for litterally the first time in the game at this time

[Gypyx]

anyways, i kinda doubt Titus being NK'd is WIFOM, because i've rarly seen WIFOM nightkills and even more Rarely i've seen NKA actually being used, plus Titus wasn't the most efeective WIFOM nightkill imo (looking at chkfilp for instance)

so it would point out towards something like Bowl / Looker / Duun scum, which makes sense imo

VOTE: Duunstal for what i said, and that """""misshammer"""""

[Gypyx]

i'm not really convinced of duun being town but i think i'll follow nep's call on this one

VOTE: Superbowl

we might have a winning PoE now that i think about it

[Gypyx]

problem is that bowl is acting really like how i feel scum would be acting if they were close to getting cornered : trying to flip his reads upside down based on basically nothing, and shading nep, who i think is pretty much widely townread?

[Gypyx]

so you're litterally saying that you're trying to find scum by suspecting your townreads? isn't that kind of the opposite of what you normally want to do? plus if a scum is able to deepwolf to such a point, (over the course of 2 replacements in nep's case) i doubt that some "poking" will do the trick to expose them

[Gypyx]

I kinda scumcased duun, but it's not i was a realistic NK target i think

[Gypyx]

Gypyx what was the case on him besides bad vote history and not doing anything?

I also pushed on him in post 668 , although i have to admit that less than what i recall

plus idk, how much more of a case you can make on someone who almost doesn't talk?

[Gypyx]

and idk, i don't think this argument isn't really AI, although the lack of effort put into it kinda sell a SvS narrative (i might just be death tunneling though)

[Gypyx]

a hammer seems ok to me

[Gypyx]

I don't really trust dunn, he doesn't look really invested in the game (yeah, ironic coming from me) and i don't really TR him

so feel free to hammer if you think it's the right call, my gut also kinda tells me that they're both scum

[Gypyx]

You and Bowl

[Gypyx]

What are the townreads you have locked and who is neutral?

[Gypyx]

Hmm... kinda happy to see this nightkill tbf, i was getting paranoiad

Walter, do you think it's possible for chkflip to be scum?

[Gypyx]

Also, massclaim time?

[Gypyx]

Did Nep claim anything about their role?

I think i have found a crumb from Nep, so i'd like everyone to claim please, not like we lose anything from not doing so

(i'm VT)

[Gypyx]

Popcorn to superbowl then

[Gypyx]

assuming town isn't being absolutely played like a fiddle by gypyx and chkflip.

We are a fucking fiddle right now, looks like gypyx and chk have been playing us. I think this is pretty much gg.

I'm VT btw, popcorn dunn

"Gypyx and chk are scum"

"Popcorn to dunn"

Nice logic you got there

[Gypyx]

I'll make a re-read just to be sure i haven't missed anything, but pretty sure i'm gonna vote Super too yeah

[Gypyx]

Also, pretty sure that what just happened is kinda proof that town isn't bowl and duun given that me and chk would've just quickhammered there

[Gypyx]

assuming town isn't being absolutely played like a fiddle by gypyx and chkflip.

We are a fucking fiddle right now, looks like gypyx and chk have been playing us. I think this is pretty much gg.

I'm VT btw, popcorn dunn

"Gypyx and chk are scum"

"Popcorn to dunn"

Nice logic you got there

Lol we're all claiming, it doesn't matter what order we go in

Yes this is true, but why would you refuse the (really small) advantage of having your scumread claim first when all it takes is litterally writing 3 different letters?

[Gypyx]

I don't like how i'm getting s/s vibes from chk / bowl also

[Gypyx]

Well, even if scum has marginally less info about the setup when they claim, that's still a good thing right? (I'm just basing myself on the wiki there)

[Gypyx]

You're the most experienced one left (who's actually playing), it's not hard to figure out who's manipulating everyone. Want a cookie for bussing the worst mafia player to grace the site?

Also the fact that yall are saying who I popcorn is indicative of anything is laughable

"You are the most experienced guy here, therefore you're the

only

guy who could potentially be fooling town there"

I think the hole here is quite obvious?

Pedit : well ok... still weird of you to popcorn to the inactive guy rather than the active guy... really, i don't get how this could be coming from town

[Gypyx]

You're the most experienced one left (who's actually playing), it's not hard to figure out who's manipulating everyone. Want a cookie for bussing the worst mafia player to grace the site?

Also the fact that yall are saying who I popcorn is indicative of anything is laughable

"You are the most experienced guy here, therefore you're the

only

guy who could potentially be fooling town there"

I think the hole here is quite obvious?

Pedit : well ok... still weird of you to popcorn to the inactive guy rather than the active guy... really, i don't get how this could be coming from town

Do you disagree that inexperienced scum have a hard time manipulating town? I don't think our town was stupid or played ridiculously poorly, so it's real hard for me to believe that you and dunn have been lining up ML after ML while flying under the radar.

Also why are you still analyzing this popcorn as a reaction test? The way popcorn works is you randomly choose the next person to go to, this is the most ridiculous stretch I've seen in a while

My point is that him being the most experienced doesn't rule out other players from being good enough to also pull off a good scum game, like, i guess you have a good enough scumgame, same could be said about duun, if it wasn't for his concerning lack of interest, and i belive i can be a decent scum sometimes

And idk, i think i'm starting to argue for the sake of arguing on that part

[Gypyx]

Also uh wow just realized, did we all just let dunn away with his mishammer on looker?

[Gypyx]

Accidental hammer*

[Gypyx]

You're the most experienced one left (who's actually playing), it's not hard to figure out who's manipulating everyone. Want a cookie for bussing the worst mafia player to grace the site?

Also the fact that yall are saying who I popcorn is indicative of anything is laughable

"You are the most experienced guy here, therefore you're the

only

guy who could potentially be fooling town there"

I think the hole here is quite obvious?

Pedit : well ok... still weird of you to popcorn to the inactive guy rather than the active guy... really, i don't get how this could be coming from town

Do you disagree that inexperienced scum have a hard time manipulating town? I don't think our town was stupid or played ridiculously poorly, so it's real hard for me to believe that you and dunn have been lining up ML after ML while flying under the radar.

Also why are you still analyzing this popcorn as a reaction test? The way popcorn works is you randomly choose the next person to go to, this is the most ridiculous stretch I've seen in a while

My point is that him being the most experienced doesn't rule out other players from being good enough to also pull off a good scum game, like, i guess you have a good enough scumgame, same could be said about duun, if it wasn't for his concerning lack of interest, and i belive i can be a decent scum sometimes

And idk, i think i'm starting to argue for the sake of arguing on that part

I mean fypov sure but from my perspective, you and dunn playing like you have and pulling this game off is a little far-fetched. If yall are actually scum you're a damn good scum player

That's fair yeah just that your arguments requires to assume you're town, so it doesn't hold much worth from my PoV

[Gypyx]

But they were both town

Uhhh... dunn's still alive though

[Gypyx]

Yeah... i don't get your point? Have i misunderstood something?

[Gypyx]

Oh true... anyways, i'm pretty sure super is the first scum (will need to double check though) but i'm not sure about the second

[Gypyx]

And how would you rate the odds for who is the second scum?

[Gypyx]

ok so i got 2-3 hours ahead of me, i'll try to make a clean post

VCA :

Day 1 doesn't really hold much info imo, apart from VC 1.1 where we can see that Nash (previous slot of chkflip) was voting truth, he voted off truth fairly quicly, without giving much of a reason of that change (post 184) but still, that's an early vote on scum so idk how to read that one, town maybe? especially considering Nash's lack of involvement

Day 2 : first intersting thing i noticed : truth's voting pattern : votes chkflip alone for a little bit of time, then leaves chkflip to sheep the IC's on dunnstall, and then leaves dunn again to vote osuka, and to never be seen again

now, i think it's safe to assume 2 things : one, truth is receiving instructions on how to play from his partners, or at least, some guidelines about that, and two, scum isn't betting on truth making it to ExLo seeing how many peoples were considering to policy lynch him at the time

Now,

what does that mean exactly? well, i think that truth's vote on dunn was probably truth actually trying to get him lycnhed (wagon was getting kinda big 3/7 votes, and the 2 ic's were on it also) meanwhile, i'm getting the feeling that the vote on chkflip has potential to be scum distancing : the case for the vote is way more prepared, and also better than the rest of truth's ISO, but i realize that this doesn't necessarily means chkflip is scum too

the more i think about all this, the more i think that figuring out the reason behind truth's plays during the game will be what makes town win

chkflip is also the L-1 vote on truth, which is quite a more common spot for scum to take I think? especially considering that the wagon on truth was a counterwagon to looker

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that's all i have written for now, taking a break in order to not write crap

[Gypyx]

Hmmm, well, pretty sure that if dunn isn't scum, we're screwed, so might as well give him the exe, but i'd still like to make one last read carefully, no point in rushing ExLo

[Gypyx]

I've also seen peoples say that super/chk has one scum in it, forgot to check out why they said that

[Gypyx]

chkflip is also the L-1 vote on truth, which is quite a more common spot for scum to take I think? especially considering that the wagon on truth was a counterwagon to looker

VCA only works if you take into consideration what was happening at the time. Also, and I've said this too many fucking times to count, I'm the one that spotlit Truth D2 to begin with. My final vote is L1, sure, big deal, but I absolutely spearheaded that wagon regardless.

Try to actually read the game if you're going to try wave your big dick around again there bud.

That's true, kinda forgot to take that into account

(Also wtf is that last sentance? Xd)

[Gypyx]

Yeah... i doubt we're actually exeing anything else, so, if you're scum chk, congrats, you played a good game

VOTE: superbowl

[Gypyx]

Well, i didn't, really should take another look at those rules, sorry

[Gypyx]

Well, thanks for the heads up

[Gypyx]

Well, guess we're going to day 6, see y'all on the other side, walter, if i die, try to be careful about chk still

[Gypyx]

Shit i'm alive

[Gypyx]

Still waiting for dunn to claim

[Gypyx]

I didn't actually find any crumb, was just trying to maybe make a potential scum PR paranoiad about claming VT

[Gypyx]

Hmmm, would be appreciated yeah, no need to do it right now, but avoid taking too much time please

[Gypyx]

Okay, thanks for the case

[Gypyx]

Dunn, what about you? Like, just say anything please, really

[Gypyx]

Well, i'm probably gonna hammer

[Gypyx]

I mean vote* y'all get then idea

[Gypyx]

Well, i've taken a look at every ISO, and i can't really find anything solid pointing towards you being scum, apart from your interaction with bowl / your tone but pretty sure that's just how you play

Meanwhile yeah, you got some good points on dunn, i also have other suspicious stuff, and him being dead silent isn't helping him, so i think he's scum yeah

So, here we go, chk, if you're scum, i am honestly impressed

VOTE: dunnstaal

[Gypyx]

UNVOTE:

[Gypyx]

I didn't actually find any crumb, was just trying to maybe make a potential scum PR paranoiad about claming VT

So why would I kill nep?

I don't get that question, could you explain

[Gypyx]

And dunn, i'll wait for you one more day, but like, if you're town, you REALLY need to make an effort there

[Gypyx]

Well, i'll take the silence as a scumclaim, let's end this VOTE: dunnqtall

[Gypyx]

Oh shit, i destroyed your name

[Gypyx]

As you wish

[Gypyx]

Damn, should've been paraoiad

gg

[Gypyx]

Thanks for modding also

[Gypyx]

I wouldn't call it townsided, but a lot of pressure was put on scum yeah

[Gypyx]

(From maf pt)

Would also like to note that I've been buddying gypyx for the last 2 games I've been in with him, and will continue to do so here. I think he could be valuable to have around towards endgame

Yeah also advice for you bowl : could you stop the buddying please? X) it wasn't really working, was even making me uneasy about you at times

[Gypyx]

Yeah i like you too but you were kinda forced with the being nice stuff, plus i had my gut telling that you were scum, so if you roll scum against me later just act natural and i'll be pocketed okay?

[Gypyx]

Idk, this game had a lot of swing depending on who gets what roles, like, the fact that town's investigative power is made of 3 IC's basically means that role randomization decides how effective town's power is gonna be and we got kinda lucky