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[NorwegianboyEE]

Hi Joey_
Long time no see.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: catboi
Nyaa~

[NorwegianboyEE]

Don't be afraid of the corruption people. Because a cleansing fire will surely flood this sinful city and free us from it's menace.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What if it's a trick from scum to actually increase or (WORD-WHICH-SHALL-NOT-BE-NAMED)

[NorwegianboyEE]

*increase our (THING)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can i keep repeating the word if i already said it once?

[NorwegianboyEE]

This game has weird roles i see.

[NorwegianboyEE]

FoS: Starbuck, Radical Rat, NorwegianboyEE, Dumb and Dumber, BananaCucho, Joey_ for not keeping the kawaii wave going.

Not necesarry. I am already kawaii.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@BananaCucho
So you can place votes if you gain corruption? Will saying the word "corruption" make it possible for you to place votes tommorow?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Radical Rat is Radical Town.

Can you explain your radical read on radical rat in an radical manner?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hm, this game has so few pages i keep confusing it for a lackluster scum PT. Post more guys!

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t know why Prism is a wagon. But if i join it maybe i’ll find out.
VOTE: Prism

[NorwegianboyEE]

The flavor crumb in 9 is like, totally legit, man.

And yeah it could be fake flavor but crumbing fake flavor seems far less likely.

I don’t really understand this. What is the "flavour crumb" and what does that mean?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think it’s been asked before, but why would you point out what you believe to be a saintess crumb?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You lied about the corruption? Y tho

[NorwegianboyEE]

I currently townread Banana
and retract my scumpings on SS and Joey, and

retract my townpings on Bee

I also have townpings on NorwegianBoy

- Dumber

I still like Bee even after the current events

I agree with your point. I fail to see what could be the scum motivation from faking a claim for reactions. Therefore i can only assume they were honest with what they said.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Especially since there weren't really any malevolent effects of their claim other than making people annoyed thinking they accidentally caught a source of corruption.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How am I gonna get to ever vote now ;_;

You might not have a vote, but if you got a good scumread on a player yet, maybe i’ll consider voting in your name.

[NorwegianboyEE]

[NorwegianboyEE]

YES! Now we can fire up the grill and fry us some pulled pork sandwiches!

[NorwegianboyEE]

How am I gonna get to ever vote now ;_;

You might not have a vote, but if you got a good scumread on a player yet, maybe i’ll consider voting in your name.

I don't like this post. Just seems like a way to duck responsibility for your own voting. Misclown on someone? "Oh well that wasn't MY vote, that was Banana!"

How dare you, i am the embodiment of purity. No sinful lies are hidden in my motivations. For i only wished to console the treestump in any way possible.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Guys flashwagon pls

What's wrong with slow-wagoning?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mafia: Norwee

Y?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Catboi's attitude to the game in post 181 is shit and i want to vote there now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Catgirls get moody real quick. You should be more careful.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And also answer why i'm mafia together with a dweeb such as Redtea.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No, I don't think I will~ (⌒▽⌒)☆

Ok.
VOTE: Catboi

[NorwegianboyEE]

I never really understood the townread of Rat either.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Catboi
You expressed disliking of Dumb & Dumber giving me townpings. Then you put both me and him as scum. Does that mean you considered us to have partner equity? Because that seems like a very surface level read. Can you explain your scumread on me further in case i misunderstood you here?

[NorwegianboyEE]

What’s wrong with surface level reads?

I'm still waiting for their answer to my question before i answer my thoughts regarding it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Your posts had mostly been jokey and fillery and I didn't care for that.

The irony.

Although you've gotten slightly better in the later pages.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Indeed, if I tried to fit together a comprehensive picture them townreading you would make you less likely to be partners.

Perfect, since we do townread Norwegianboi.

-Dumbass

Why do you townread me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'll admit right now I have no reads formed in my head, therefore at present I'm not indicating any read on D&D here. But there's a lot of "gutsy scum" types of posts such as these in this thread, and speaking from a personal standpoint, are not helpful to town.
Like I get being cheeky once in a while, but it does seem pervasive in this game and the thing is, that only makes it easier for maf to navigate.

I've been trying to tone myself down if you're referring to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Indeed, if I tried to fit together a comprehensive picture them townreading you would make you less likely to be partners.

Good answer.
Not sure i'm seeing scum!D&D though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

UNVOTE:

[NorwegianboyEE]

I have 3 lock town so far and its a secret town village, only I knows

This seems like a townpost.
I think scum!Joey would be more eagerly willing to share their reads and attempt to pocket players than hide it.
I'm not overly familiar with their scum-game though. So i don't know if the have the strength to fake things like this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Jackel98
I don't townread you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My post was never intended as a comprehensive solve,

Actually. You did specifically say: "EASY GAME PEOPLE LELELELE" which made me believe that was your final game solve.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But this is a joke right.

What's a joke?

[NorwegianboyEE]

My post was never intended as a comprehensive solve,

Actually. You did specifically say: "EASY GAME PEOPLE LELELELE" which made me believe that was your final game solve.

(,,Ծ‸Ծ,, ) And you took a page 8 post as a serious gamesolve because...?

Because i just played a game with someone that fucking hard tunneled me from page 2 and literally called me/another guy the scum team and i had to fight their bone headed tunnel for 10 pages before i got lynched and flipped town. Sorry if you're different, i get kind of twitchy when i see myself included in scum reads early.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My post was never intended as a comprehensive solve,

Actually. You did specifically say: "EASY GAME PEOPLE LELELELE" which made me believe that was your final game solve.

(,,Ծ‸Ծ,, ) And you took a page 8 post as a serious gamesolve because...?

Because i just played a game with someone that fucking hard tunneled me from page 2 and literally called me/another guy the scum team and i had to fight their bone headed tunnel for 10 pages before i got lynched and flipped town. Sorry if you're different, i get kind of twitchy when i see myself included in scum reads early.

Hmm. This kinda comes off as an over-explanation to an overreaction tbh. Are you always this self aware?

Yes.
You can see how i reacted to the push on me in the game i'm talking about:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=83760

[NorwegianboyEE]

I thought you couldn't place votes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So i’m reading Joey/Banana as my strongest TR’s so far. And i’d like to solve outside of those slots.
Not sold on D/D town, but i don’t want to vote there today at least. Would like more time to sort them.

Feeling like scum might be in Redtea/Jackel98 so i’d be willing to vote either for now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It would be interesting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If any town has a role that can cause minor corruption i suggest they help Banana achieve it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What do you think of porkens/red/alligator?

I would rank these like this:

Least scummy
{Porkens}
{Redtea}
{Jackel98}
Most scummy

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who are we firing?

John Bolton

Your vote on one of Redtea/Jackel98 would be appreciated based on content so far.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like Banana elaborated, most of their ISOS are just filler walls devoid of any real content. I’d also like it if they would show up soon, but don’t mind putting on pressure.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Porkens has at least done some questioning that doesn’t look like busywork.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Catboi's attitude to the game in post 181 is shit and i want to vote there now.

What's wrong with it

I had them elaborate their position and i don’t find it as bad as i initially thought anymore.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What do you find weird?

Mostly the: "If you don't use colour tag blue when saying corruption you will gain corruption" nonsense we were lied about.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What's shit about it?

I've answered this exact question 10 times now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like I don't have a scum read on the alligator

There's literally nothing there to read either way. How can you town read them?

I liked the post on Joey felt more like solving then wolf making comments.
Like it was kinda observant I guess, shows he was pinged by Joey and either double checked his ISO or put his posts into his memory to make that kind of connection.

He is definitely well above average as far as 4 posters are concerned.

~Bee

I disagree, their posts are very easy for scum to make. All they've done is narrate the game or ask easy questions, without coming to any visible conclusions. Obviously it's a short ISO, so they could improve later if and when they decide to post again. But townreading them off of what i've seen so far doesn't make much sense to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

and there are no votes about me on page 8.

VOTE: Porkens

Guys flashwagon pls

-Dumbass

VOTE: Porkens
Shameless OMGUS

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh THAT page 8. jfc ignore me

Yeah, we're not talking about the scum PT.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Clash of titans.

[NorwegianboyEE]

To me this looks like you were about to start beef with catboi, and were assuming we wouldn't find their joke about having solved the game in good town-taste. But since multiple people went "wait what? It was a joke though?" you began backtracking.

Is it backtracking when they literally told me it was a joke?
Or are you assuming town!me would be able to tell that their post was a joke?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh, and I just remembered I have a WILD idea. I know how this sounds. Trust me, I know, I knew immediately how it would sound. But what if bananacucho needs corruption for, not voting, but for wincon/to unlock a special ability. Because he can't vote, then he must gain corruption a different way, as we know. So, should we be more wary of a possible corruption-giver giving corruption (town or maf role)?

This crossed my mind, but nah. I TR him so not really worried about it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Joey's very recent hardass posts #340 and #343 have me reading him as town. That and the fact that after people pointed out he wasn't posting well, he really stepped up his game and has been going strong. The fact he both changed and kept it up is very town to me. I feel like maf are more prone to having a surge of posts before falling back again, or will pick a fight to have something easy to respond to without really hunting. This might be a big reason others are tr'ing him now, and I agree.

Ok, do you agree with their posts though? That Jackel98 is scummy?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Saying Joey’s posts are a reason to TR Joey, but not saying anything at all about the subject of discussion (Jackel98) is a bit weird.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also, a bit meta. But i’ve seen Jackel98 multiple times online without posting anything in this thread. And they weren’t posting anywhere else, which gives me the feeling they are actively lurking and avoiding to communicate in this thread right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think i've been quite open about my desire to lynch Jackel98 over Redtea, even if i wouldn't hate an Redtea lynch either.
An Jackel scumflip would give me a decent amount of reads to comfortably solve the game at this point. Because unless both Redtea/Jackel are scum i can look at which players were trying to derail the wagons back on to Redtea assuming he is town. As for Redtea/Jackel team theory i can see points leading to it like for example the way Redtea seemed to be actively avoiding to bring up Jackel as a topic in his latest posts in favour of tracing suspicion on me/you. Either way, while i can see the potential for Redtea!town. I'm much more sure about my scumread on Jackel, cemented by Joey's points in the page earlier.

[NorwegianboyEE]

As for Androgybee, i didn't think that much of it earlier when they placed their vote. But right now i'm starting to hate the fact that they are still voting Joey_.
And i'd like to see their take on current events soon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What do you think of Redtea's theory of me/you as a scum team? I can't decide what to think of it

I think scum coming up with a read of me/Banana as potential mafia would be quite bold. But wouldn't be out of the question either.
Either way, i'm not sure how AI it really is.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What do you think of Redtea's theory of me/you as a scum team? I can't decide what to think of it

I think scum coming up with a read of me/Banana as potential mafia would be quite bold. But wouldn't be out of the question either.
Either way, i'm not sure how AI it really is.

Bold how so?

Because i think you've been playing very town, so Redtea openly stating a scumread on you is something that would put a lot of attention on them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I

I used to play games like that in one of my first forums. Days would last 72 or 48 hours. It was absolutely impossible to get good reads and almost every game was a mess lol.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Jackel98 (3): NorwegianboyEE, catboi, Dumb and Dumber [+ A fake vote from Bananacucho]
Redtea (3): NDMath, Joey_, Starbuck
Porkens (1): Radical Rat
Joey_ (1): androgybee
androgybee (1): Something_Smart

Not Voting (3): Jackel98, Porkens, redtea

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not liking the feel of a policy push here.

It's not policy, i wouldn't vote them if that was the only thing going down for the slot. But when they're openly scumread and i see them online, then they don't post. It's fishy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Even if there wasn't an outside element i would still scumread them based off their previous posts.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That's a fact. I would, instead, call on the mod to prod or replace because it seems Jackal might not have the time.

How do you know they don't have the time?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Alright, just testing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'll be posting more soon, but first I'm gonna

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

That’s it? Give me yo reasonings behind the vote.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Your reasonings for scumreading me are very weak in regards to the strength of your read Jackel. Which leads me to believe you are either performing OMGUS as town or are scum.
Btw you say you agree with everything Joey has said, so you agree with their scumread on you? You disagree with their townread on me? Can you elaborate more on these points?

[NorwegianboyEE]

2 unviversal trs and 2 somewhat universal srs is bad

Many slots in this game haven't really given a strong impression to me either way, it wouldn't surprise me if there were multiple scum in the null slots. But that doesn't stop me from thinking a red flip on Jackel, would help me solidify my TR on multiple players.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've been warming up to D/D as well from his latest posts talking about slots like NDMath and S_S that i've been focusing less on. So i'm banking on a Joey/Banana/Dumb & Dumber towncore for now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That’s exactly what a serial killer would say.

What is this an response too?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've been warming up to D/D as well from his latest posts talking about slots like NDMath and S_S that i've been focusing less on. So i'm banking on a Joey/Banana/Dumb & Dumber towncore for now.

ooh, the theories. Ooh, the possibilities

Are you talking about a me/Dumb and Dumber scum team theory?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like Dumb and Dumber said earlier, i think the cognitive dissonance between townreading Joey so hard, and then scumreading me despite Joey having stated a very strong TR on me is just unnatural for a town player to do. I'd expect them to engage Joey more on why they TR me if they actually believed their own position here. It comes across as fake.

Spoiler:

[NorwegianboyEE]

Talking about Jackel98 in post above btw^

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwegian, NDMath, and if people really want to for Results, even Jackal I would hammer or put at E-1 or 2.

Hey, i could agree with all of these except for myself.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Redtea's head is in the right place, he just needs to stop scumreading me and he's A-OK.
Starting to like him more and more.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can you post a reads list Androgybee? I wanna see where your head is at.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Btw Jackel, you really need to clarify where Joey went wrong in TRing me if i'm supposed to take your read of town!Joey seriously. Do you think Joey is a bad player than is town but cannot read me as well as you can? What are your thoughts regarding this?

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's refreshing to read something about myself other than "banana is town due to tone".

You're looking fabulous today. Did you get a new haircut?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee is annoying but I don't think that's AI. He was pretty annoying in Smuggler's Port and he was town.

This is an... odd read.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It should be, i still don’t know who you scumread or where you want to place your vote.

[NorwegianboyEE]

ヽ(^‥^=ゞ) I think they're both fine votes and at some point people are going to have to summon up their courage and vote a lurker.

Is that the only reason people are hesitant to vote Jackel? I don't think i've seen a lot of people express a TR on their content except for Androgybee.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That goes same with NDMath i guess. But i don't really see a reason to switch my vote, i think Jackel has been marginally scummier due to reasons i've mentioned earlier.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually, i’m super self-concious as town.
And i’ve gotten scumread for it about a thousand times now

[NorwegianboyEE]

When i’m scum i sometimes play like a robot though. And act completely unfazed by being scumread.

[NorwegianboyEE]

but im actually not sold on the jackel vote. her ISO is sparse yes but like, doesn't scream scum to me? is there a case someone can point me to? i like the NDMath vote a lot better.

Not exactly a case, but they still haven’t responded to me questioning their simultaneous townread of Joey and scumread on me when Joey has been saying they are convinced i’m town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: porkens

This is info from an ongoing game so i can’t say where i got it from. But Porkens is V/LA for 1-2 more days so i’m hesitant to vote him today because of that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: NDMath
It’s compromising time i suppose.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Only 2 votes on NDMath right now actually. But it’s the one most people can agree on right now.
Can y’all get this wagon up to E-1? We’re running out of time soon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Deadline is in 1 day, 21 hours, 21 minutes

2 days left.

If Norwegian were to magically flip town at some point, that would force me to re-evaluate absolutely everything about this whole game.

@Redtea
I don't see why on the early stages of the game you're so convinced about my flip that every read in the game you have so far is based upon it.
Why are you so sure i'm scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Regardless of your alignment, it's much more healthier to read the game normally by taking a look at all possible teams and scummy players rather than hyperfocusing on one single player and their interactions with others.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t care who we lynch between NDMath or Jackel, as long as we can put some pressure on one of them already.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nahdia, if you scumread NDMath, why don’t you vote them? You know there’s a deadline yet you’ve been voting Joey all this time.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean, this is kinda like talking down your own TR of me. But couldn't i technically be annoyed if i'm scum but think i'm unfairly targeted?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Joey, the gist of your scumread on Porkens is because you think gamestate suggests it right?
Because he's useless but nobody was pointing it out?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Your desperation to flip someone who is on VLA is pathetic and obvious. I’ll be back on Saturday.

How is it desperation? If you’re gonna pop in surely you can explain what’s so desperate about it?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ample time.

brb

lol see ya day 2

Are you implying we actually get to see him ever again?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm probably not going to wake up until deadline has passed tonight once i sleep. So i'd like it if we could just decide on what we're doing soon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm probably not going to wake up until deadline has passed tonight once i sleep. So i'd like it if we could just decide on what we're doing soon.

I’ll be around. Top 3 eliminations you would like to have happen and why?

Today my top 3 so far are:

1: Jackel: For what i see as awkward position between TR Joey_ and scumreading me. Their posts have mostly been pointless fluff and their reaction to pressure has been really toned down yet twitchy. (Which i think is usually scum indicative) Their main scumread right now is seemingly just an OMGUS read on me.
2: NDMath: I don't see any reason to TR them and it's the lynch most people would agree on this close to deadline.
3: Porkens: Mostly on the list because i am Sheeping Joey_'s read, i actually have Porkens only at null atm, but maybe Joey_ sees something i don't.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So NDMath, you can claim now if you're online. That's E-1.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Banana just blatantly hammered without letting ND claim a second time.
Obvscum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wow, you didn’t even let him claim.

This is weird. You clearly already said above (as did I) that ND claimed, so why are you mad at Banana (if his hammer is even real)?

This is an overly serious post that completely failed to understand irony and that gives me scumpings.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I agree with the reasoning for voting Porkens, but , but right now I'm gonna go with my gut and
VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

Gut read?
You’ve even said you think i’m unlikely to be scum based on the nightkill yet you’re voting me for what?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Should have known that NDMath wagon was a bit too easy for everyone to agree on. But the hammer came fast and i didn’t really have the will to reconsider. The question is, did Joey die because their scumreads are correct or because they’re a bit wrong and it’s WIFOM.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Although they were pretty universally TR so they’d probably never get lynched either way.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I thought, "Wow, this girl needs a sarcasm radar"
I'm surprised Jackel didn't get it either.

Not sure on Norwe scum tell. I was more suspicious about her vague responses and reads tbh.

What are you saying here?

[NorwegianboyEE]

This Porkens wagon has way too much support already. We need a CW just in case this is wrong. Let’s not lynch too soon.
My current reads:

Catboi/Dumb & Dumber/Banana/Androgybee/Redtea likely town.
If i’m wrong on someone it’s probably either Androgybee or Redtea but i don’t think it’s likely.

I agree with what D/D said about Starbuck ISO.
Still not townreading Jackel like at all.
Porkens based on Joey’s points against them.
Bell

PoE pool is: Jackel98/Starbuck/Porkens/Bell
Less sure about Bell, but i haven’t really seen anything from them that makes me think: "this is town" yet. So not putting them out from my lynch candidates.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can I say that I like this avatar more than the last one Norwee

It’s the one i usually use, i just get tired of having the same one constantly so sometimes i switch it up.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I do feel better whenever i play with this avi.
Clownpiece ftw!

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Starbuck
To go along with my starbucks coffe.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I highly doubt S_S kill was scum motivated. We probably just have a bad vig or something. Because S_S wasn’t exactly prime townread material.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Either that or there’s some corruption shenanigans.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The support I see on porkers comes from your two town reads and me and they’re both voting porkens at my request and delaying their hunts elsewhere because they are being conscientious.

Do you think we should lynch Porkens over anyone else today?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just to clarify, i wouldn’t mind ending up on a Porkens lynch. I just don’t want the day to end too soon until we’ve had some more content.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Something doesn’t add up tho.

Like what?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can y’all stop trying to make me laugh with this saintASS shit. It’s called an saintess

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why would a vig shoot S_S over lotta other prime targets eeeehhhhhh

I don’t want to live in a world where Joey_ was shot by a vig over S_S

[NorwegianboyEE]

I highly doubt S_S kill was scum motivated. We probably just have a bad vig or something. Because S_S wasn’t exactly prime townread material.

But. S_S townread Rat for saintass roleplay. Because they probably thought that Rat was tryna take a bullet for them

Maybe scum picked up on that

Seems a bit farfetched to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If i assume Bell is town that ends me up on Jackel98/Porkens/Starbuck as scum. But that seems almost too good to be true.
Maybe i should just sheep Joey on Porkens tho.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m being set up.

Elaborate.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee, why were you softing saintass yesterday?

What do you think?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Porkens. You came in today with absolutely no reads or valuable comments and all you said is: "this is a setup guys! ;_;"
If you’re not scum, who is?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If they had shot Porkymunchkins i would have forgiven them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh i’m used to it by now. It’s as natural as rain falling down from the sky that a D1 vig shot will always suck.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well, we can always do Jackel98 if we get cold feet. The safest lynch of all.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Awww, it's ok Redtea, you can say you townread me.
You tsundere!

[NorwegianboyEE]

"Hmph, it's not like i townread you or anything. I just think some of your posts have been reasonable, you baka!"

[NorwegianboyEE]

The beginning of a day is work. You gotta work for a buildup. Isn't it easier to just... rely completely on the gamestate of yesterday?
This is def maf behavior dudes.

Are you saying Jackel has been looking better since yesterday? Because to me they just kinda look worse.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like, you're giving me really strong "naive town" vibes Redtea. You come up with these explanations for why my actions are scum indicative. Sure they're not really convincing, but it seems like you believe what you're saying and that's already ten times better than whatever the fuck Jackel has been doing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also a Joey/me team is definitely off the table now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Redtea, you've never read any of my previous games/played with me before right? Under any secret alts or whatever?

[NorwegianboyEE]

No, it's about you locking her in as a fallback for elimination. I believe in a balance: keeping the previous day's play in mind as you start on solid land. People who deviate too much in either direction (relying on yesterday's plays encouraging a fresh start).

This is a fresh start, a fresh start to get scum lynched. And Jackel is still scum. I just didn't see how we could gain the necessary support for it yesterday when there was so little time left so it turned to NDMath.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Jackel98
Anyway i'll keep my vote here now a bit for emphasis.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Redtea, i still don't really understand all that well why you scumread me. But i'll try my best to convince you i'm town!

[NorwegianboyEE]

The only reason Joey thought you were town was your saintass crumb, I’m pretty sure.

Actually they wrote a bunch of paragraphs. And you're just going to ignore that and say all they did was TR me for something they didn't even talk about?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think it's a good thing we let Porkens say more before we continued wagoning him. He's being a bit more openly hostile and scummy now.
VOTE: Porkens

Like take a look at post 245, 246 and numerous others. According to Porkens those are posts from someone that only TR's me because i was quote: "crumbing saintess". They're just trying to devalue Joey's read of me by making it sound like it's based on something else when it was clearly not.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was wrong about Joey and math but statistically I have to be right about you, don’t you think?

No. This is just retarded. If you're wrong about your reads you should rethink the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was wrong about Joey and math but statistically I have to be right about you, don’t you think?

No. This is just retarded. If you're wrong about your reads you should rethink the game.

Wow touchy.

Guess I touched a nerve!

Happy with my vote.

That’s a pointless way of measuring my alignment.
Why is touchy= scum? Explain your way of thinking please.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Right now I’m leaning you.

I’m leaning jackel as flipbait

but I really don’t like your “shade pork but CW someone else” and

your reactions look scripted

.

The only reason Joey thought you were town was your saintass crumb

, I’m pretty sure.

I was wrong about Joey and math but statistically I have to be right about you

, don’t you think?

VOTE: norwee

And while my contribution has been less verbose,

I’ll stack its value up against most of the rest of the list

,

so kindly crawl out of my ass with your false narrative.

Wow touchy.

Guess I touched a nerve!

Happy with my vote.

Colour code:

Yellow

: Reasoning that's unexplained but really should have been explained.

Purple

: Blatant lie.

Orange

: Extremely bad logic.

Cyan

: Accusing player of flailing.
All of these are scum tells.

The only question worthy of answering here is: "why do i shade Pork but CW someone else". And the answer is that while i have always thought Porkens has been a good lynch since the flip yesterday, i want to solve other people's alignments and see if any other people were willing to not vote Porkens and go somewhere else.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee, why were you softing saintass yesterday?

What do you think?

This question hasn’t been answered.
@Porkens

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee, why were you softing saintass yesterday?

What do you think?

This question hasn’t been answered.
@Porkens

If you’d answered this instead of playing the question game you might have garnered some trust but instead you are just making yourself look worse.

I'm asking you to make your own conclusion. Why did i do it? What is your thoughts behind my intentions there? What are you thinking?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was wrong about Joey and math but statistically I have to be right about you, don’t you think?

No. This is just retarded. If you're wrong about your reads you should rethink the game.

Wow touchy.

Guess I touched a nerve!

Happy with my vote.

That’s a pointless way of measuring my alignment.
Why is touchy= scum? Explain your way of thinking please.

I think you came in to today feeling pretty chuffed at town joeys 100% townread of you being locked in, and you got a bit shook when I called you out. You posturing about your town créd and simply omgusing me for daring to question your immaculateness. In the lost charitable light I can imagine, you are scum caught for the wrong reasons. You can quote and color code that however you like.

Why should i be shocked that you scumread me? I believe you are mafia. Actually half the game does last i checked. You're just putting words in my mouth to make me look bad. There's no genuine solving from you.
If you're actually town i'm going to be surprised.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You posturing about your town créd and simply omgusing me for daring to question your immaculateness.

This: "oh you're just bragging about being townread" shit is scummy as fuck to say. You're not arguing in good faith, you're not checking in with your townreads, you're not actually doing anything.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And i really regret not switching with Joey to you instead of NDMath yesterday.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee townlean,

There's not even any natural progression from you. This was your post yesterday. What happened to change your read? Why did you TR me in the first place?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Joey/Norwee/? Seems the likeliest team from my read through. They are very much acting in coordination.

This also really bothered me yesterday. Saying me/Joey were a likely scum because they are seemingly "acting in co-ordination" sounds like shit scum would say or some really stupid town. There's a difference between mind-melding as town and being scum partners and you should know better than that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I am going to admit that I am 100% lost this game as to who scum is

Scum is playing great imo

Why have you lost your confidence?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Personally however I don't think any alternate perspectives of Porkens can be formed without letting up the pressure for now. It doesn't seem right to come down this hard just as they're getting back to the game.

This is the kind of attitude that let’s lurk!scum off the hook imo.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t have time for this. if you all don’t see norwee scum I’m not going to waste any more of my breath. I’ll read for his partners and we’ll just go from there. Right now probably looking at DD.

K, good riddance.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Okay

I am gonna hurt myself, and extend the day 24 hours. That means 1 more corruption and oops! I'll have 3

There is another side effect that's pretty cool. Does anyone wanna guess?

You’re going to gain 1 corruption to extend the day 24 hours?

[NorwegianboyEE]

That sounds very much like a town ability though.
Not a scum role.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Question, do you have any abilities that use 2 corruption but you’ll die the next night if you use it?
Because i might be able to counter that ill effect.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've thought things over and while i dislike Porkens heavily right now, i'm starting to believe Jackel is a better flip. Considering my meta with Porkens i do recognize his ability to tunnel town. But Jackel i've got no such meta so they really just look plain scummy to me.
VOTE: Jackel98

[NorwegianboyEE]

Question, do you have any abilities that use 2 corruption but you’ll die the next night if you use it?
Because i might be able to counter that ill effect.

I can self harm multiple times but its a day action

I don't have the specific action you're looking for

Couldn't you have self-harmed D1 and then gained voting powers immediately?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Its good though since I learned that someone can give me a fruit

Were you told who gave you the fruit, or just that you were given a fruit with no specifications?

[NorwegianboyEE]

This might be coming to a head.

What do you mean by that?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Porkens (4): Bell, Dumb and Dumber, NorwegianboyEE, catboi

I’m voting Jackel.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm suspicious of this "fruit vendor" as well. It might be a town role, but it sounds just as likely it could be a scum role as D/D says.
On the other hand, Banana did explicitly ask for someone to give him corruption so he could use his voting powers yesterday.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Jackel, Starbucks. Are you two even playing the game?

[NorwegianboyEE]

And what's everyones option on a mass claim? I don't know what to think of it yet, because i'm not sure if the benefits outweigh the negatives.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm applying ellitell to Starbuck at this point.

She's actively posting elsewhere on site since the day started, but hasn't posted anything here other than a vague 'I'll catch up soon' post

- Dumber

Meanwhile Jackel98 has been seemingly online all the time yet hasn't posted here or anywhere in more than 24 hours.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think a lynch on either of Jackel/Starbuck is a good lynch today. And if one flips scum vig should shoot the other.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'd like it if Jackel could explain why they're online but not posting, because right now all i can think of is 2 possiblities:
1: They fell asleep on their keyboard and left their laptop on MS.
2: They've been only posting in a scum PT.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Given Joey's flip, you seem to be riding that for all it's worth. "Joey was town, so I obvi can't be scum, guys!"

I am, and when D/D flips town i will be riding that wave even harder.

[NorwegianboyEE]

She's playing in a way that would be good for scum, but she doesn't really fit with NEE being scum rn, and, like, idk?

VOTE: Starbuck

[NorwegianboyEE]

But that's the thing Starbuck, it's not a policy push at all. Unless you want to argue that voting anyone other than myself, DD, Bell, or Norwee is a push for policy? We literally have to vote a less active player if we are not voting one of the 4 most active

So do I "policy" you? Or porky? Or redtea? Or bee? Or catboi? I guess you can throw alligator back into the more active players for day 2, they've definitely turned that around

So much this!

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is going to sound like buddying, but i just can't stop nodding and agreeing almost everytime Banana posts anything.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No matter what, none of these players will be targeted for a night kill by scum:

- Redtea
- Starbuck
- Catboi
- Bee
- Porky
- Jackel

Tbh i think Catboi might be a valid target as well.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think we should just do the lynch that was resisted yesterday, like Jackel. Or Starbucks (because Jackel doesn't want to vote them).

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also, i'm sorry to everyone that hates me because "OMG ur pushing a lurker so scummy~~!!" but this game has like 5 fucking people not doing jack shit, and i TR most of the active people. So that's just how it's going to be.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Exactly, so that's why I don't get this push for policy or low activity.

That's not why I'm pushing you, really

- Dumber

It's starting to feel really scummy how people like Jackel and Starbuck are scumread for bad content/bad posts yet they keep framing it as if they're being pushed for "inactivity" (even though that is also a point against them) and trying to vote active players.

[NorwegianboyEE]

There's basically 0 reason to vote norwee and the persistence of the push on him by certain players is troubling.

By my count 4-5 players have scumread Norwee in some capacity. I don't understand it, but it's worth looking into eventually

It doesn't need to prove anything. In fact, in a recent game someone were actually arguing (correctly) that because the entire game were hard scumreading me it meant i had to be town because it was ELO and nobody was on my side.

[NorwegianboyEE]

is changing avatars in the middle of a game considered bad etiquette? like, it would make me no longer "alligator", but my current one is meh.

If that’s bad etiquette i’d be the rudest guy in town considering my history of doing it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Maybe later.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This kind of stuff just comes across to me like scum who thinks he can’t be caught.

I won't deny i love trolling as scum, but i do this shit as town as well. It ain't allignment indicative. In fact, i love nothing more than trolling the shit out of people that keep begging for me to answer questions.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Case in point: Newbie 2015
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... start=2050

[NorwegianboyEE]

But how is that town behavior

I keep having great reads, but some town always suspect me over scum because "hOw Is iT tOwN bEhAvIoUr tO dO X??!?" (X= Deviant behaviour of the week)
The reason my behavior includes things players don't understand is because i play mafia in a way that is entertaining for myself. I don't want a leash.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway, if those questions really were that important. Quote them. I'm too bored to look back on the game right now. I feel like i've already got it solved.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Staring to get low grade pings from a couple others

Who are these?

[NorwegianboyEE]

This might be coming to a head.

I still don’t get this post. Is it some kind of gangster slang i’m unfamiliar with?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Town!Joey wouldn’t 100% TR a scum player. So by stating you TR Joey but think they’re read on me is wrong you’re disrespecting them as a player. If Joey said they were 100% sold on anyone else i would seriously believe them, even if i scumread the person in question.
Either way, this is why Joey died, scum was afraid of them. If i was mafia i wouldn’t kill Joey unless they were a threat to my teammates. And considering my reads have been quite similar to Joey it should be obvious that’s an unlikely story.

[NorwegianboyEE]

(⌯͒ᵕɪᵕ⌯͒)zzZ Hardly rolefoshing when multiple people have bandied about the idea of massclaiming today, and nonsensical to single that out from me. I'm saying that if the kill is not coming from town, outing roles further than we already have is bad.

“Nooo don’t single me out I was following the crowd!!”

VOTE: catboi

Why don’t you like Catboi? They’ve been towntelling pretty hard imo.
The problem as usual for me in this game is recognizing if scum is hard stalling the towncore or whether my reads are fundamentally wrong.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And if my reads are wrong... i haven’t seen anything convincing to make me turn those reads around yet.
I’m convinced my main TR’s are correct so i’d like to just PoE the lesser slots from there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Might put Androgybee back on null for now though. It’s weird that an hydra would become so inactive.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee/Catboi/Banana

Dumb and Dumber/Bell

Androgybee/Redtea

Porkens/Starbuck/Jackel98

Where i’m at right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And if my reads are wrong... i haven’t seen anything convincing to make me turn those reads around yet.
I’m convinced my main TR’s are correct so i’d like to just PoE the lesser slots from there.

Put the wolves in a box! POE getting a bit smaller today IMO

Are you saying you agree with me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Make a reads list YO.
So i can compare.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was hoping Porkens would improve when they took their vote off me and went into the wild green yonder. But their vote on Catboi because they were apparently: "rolefishing for the vig" doesn’t really do them any favours in my eyes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Make a reads list YO.
So i can compare.

Why are you so meeaaan!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Vote Starbuck~
Vote Starbuck~

CAN WE GET A WAGON GOING? LYNCH SCUM! LYNCH SCUM!

[NorwegianboyEE]

All agree on one of Starbuck/Jackel98. Best flips today.
Don’t really want Androgybee, they feel like another NDMath lynch and i’d like to avoid that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t want to flip either jackel or starbuck atm.

I don't wanna flip Catboi, why are you even voting them?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Did you just crumb what i think you did?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You know, we might actually just be better of killing scummy inactives, because if they're not gonna play then mafia will just kill active town and we'll end up with a super unmotivated game in the end and scum thrives in that kinda environment.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bee/Starbuck/Porky

Throw a dart in there

Well Banana cake.
Do it.