Micro 960: A Year of Miccros II - Game Over

[lilith2013]

helloooo

[lilith2013]

no, I was given the choice and chose to use my main

[lilith2013]

It’s not but you should do it anyway...

[lilith2013]

oh shit this is like 50 christmases at once

[lilith2013]

okay I’m planning on skimming through the thread tomorrow but a quick recap of people’s current reads would be great

[lilith2013]

Reads on ss/my slot are based on prior players in slots?

Why is pooky so low if he hard softed tpr?

[lilith2013]

Okay

[lilith2013]

I want to read first but will be asking at some point why you're scumreading aldus

[lilith2013]

this is the best i can do in 37 seconds but i'm not like super proud fo it; i can have another go later when i have more time

oh lord. I think I'll stick to my current avatar if that's ok....

hi lilith! hi s_s!

hi datisi!

[lilith2013]

can you give reads too?

will also be asking why you are/were on that wagon once i finish reading

[lilith2013]

Made it to page 28 and my main takeaway is that I would be gunning for pooky if it wasn’t for whatever tpr shit is happening there

[lilith2013]

Heya ss. Heya lilith.

I'm not sure how i feel about lilith not needing to play under miccro mask .... i'm p sure that dc represented his role as him being required to play under the account, no?

hi skitter, do you want me to recap my conversation with micc about it?

[lilith2013]

role pm says something along the lines of: you’re allowed to request a mask account to post with
I ask whether my identity is revealed if I play with a mask (answer is yes)
Micc tells me it’s optional to play with the mask account
I decide I already have problems with altslipping (see REDACTED) and it’s a lot of effort to log in to another account if my identity is still public and I’m already going to be altslipping, and choose to just post as myself

I’m not sure why DC would say it was required unless they maybe misread the role pm (which is very possible) or just figured it was easier to say it was required than try to explain it. I assume I received the exact same language as they did.

[lilith2013]

man already missing pagetops

[lilith2013]

yikes I’ve reached the toxicity. Is it worth wading through or can I just ignore all koba and DC posts from here on out?

[lilith2013]

yikes I’ve reached the toxicity. Is it worth wading through or can I just ignore all koba and DC posts from here on out?

i would skim slightly, there's a dayvig reaction test in there that's relevant/important

Okay

how come you seem sad?

[lilith2013]

Spoiler:

If you don't read any of my posts - I hope you read this one, it's long but worth it imo:

Why I do not believe Aldus Explanation:

Aldus's explanation of his "paranoia" about DonC's "masked nature" is that "Exploring possibilities + raising doubt about it means that DC isn't confirmed as vanilla which helps town PRs hide"


A) The Assumption here is that the scum have looked at the masked game and now know DonC is a vanilla townie based off his role and this narrows the room for the NKs to be in in looking for power-roles - it's not clear the scum have done that much research or thought of this. It's also not clear if DonC is even a townie to begin with - he could just be mafia in which case the scum know the Masked role is not a PR.

B) Instead of "exploring" and keeping the possibility open that DonC is not forced into the mask by the mod and actually did it on his own and thus could be a power role - Aldus's questions to the moderator actually make this possibility certainly impossible - basically confirming for the scum if they are not DonC that DonC is definitely a townie if he is not scum since his role is from that vanilla game.

C) Picture yourself getting dealt a protown power role, now you decide to hide your identity as a power role by going to the moderator and asking for a change to your username in game to "Miccro Mask" in order to pretend you are a vanilla townie - how is this a good idea? What if a tracker tracks your movement and sees you did an action at night and now the tracker thinks you are mafia from that game? What if another player got dealt vanilla townie in that game and then opens up on you immediately on day 1? What do you say at that point? oops I'm actually a protown power role from ANOTHER game and I decided to fake being from this vanilla game in order to throw the mafia off my tracks? Like who would believe this? Literally one of the easiest lynches ever if you are ever caught out and hence why the downside far outweighs any potential gain.

4) In case he is right that some protown power role did do this (which I find unlikely as hell) why would he call them out on it and spotlight it for the scum? That side of the move also does not make sense.

5) I honestly find it highly unlikely that Aldus actually had originally thought of this because it's such a ridiculous play for a protown power role to make - I think he made this up after he got called out by me for his paranoia because it doesn't make any sense. Now he's saying it's actually fake paranoia for a different alternate protown purpose, but just think for a second how difficult it would be to believe that a protown power role would decide to hide themselves in a different vanilla game by telling the moderator to change the participation account from their account to a masked account in the pregame immediately after roles are dealt out - like would anyone believe that a power role would do this? I don't think so and I don't see how it's reasonable for Aldus to think this is possible either.


Conclusion: Aldus's paranoia of Micro Mask's "Masked Nature" in the early stages of the game did not make sense - he now admits it was faked in order to confuse the scum - his explanation does not make sense for the reasons I highlighted below. I think it's very possible that if we feed Aldus some rope today he will flip red.

First post from pooky that I liked and I agree with it, aldus’ missing reasons for doing this whole shenanigan was nagging me while reading and his (aldus’) explanation is awful. probably am fine with executing aldus

[lilith2013]

duckling, why did you previously claim something with datisi if you are now hypothetically masons with pooky

[lilith2013]

Dude it’s super anti-town to not let ss and me get caught up first. no offense but if you locked the thread right now and told me to catch up during night, I probably wouldn’t read

[lilith2013]

Actually yes offense, I mean offense with that. Let me get caught the fuck up

[lilith2013]

Life is a wee bit stressful atm. Things are looking up but i dont have oodles of energy atm

Sorry to hear that, hope it gets better soon <3

[lilith2013]

ugh I don’t like when people do that

[lilith2013]

what? I’m not offended

[lilith2013]

Just like hold your horses

[lilith2013]

Okay I’m reasonably caught up and am at a point where I want to hear non-pooky players’ reasons for being on the aldus wagon

[lilith2013]

paging duckling, dsjstr, and datisi

[lilith2013]

also would like updated readslists from everyone who isn’t duck/datisi please

[lilith2013]

lilith, you called?

err, lowkey not sure myself? like it was some sorta aldus/dsjstr PoE (since everyone else was seeming townier at the time), dsjsrt's recent posts were actually leaving good impressions on me, and i was interested in why aldus thought dsjstr's questions were good when he himself said they weren't

i as of right now am not sure whether i want to proceed with it because i'm still kinda digesting the tw/skitt thing

okay so it’s not an actual scumread?

[lilith2013]

i'm somewhere around

tw
dats
ss
u
bugs
pooky (hard softed tpr + not s/s with aldus)
dsj
skitter
aldus

@duckling the way you talk about DC makes me feel like he should have been lower in your readslist. where’s the null line for you?

[lilith2013]

SS get in here so I can read you

[lilith2013]

can you talk to me about sorta town on me and skitter?
also hypothetically assume I hypothetically claimed hypothetical masons with pooky, hypothetically, who would your hypothetical scumreads be in this instance?

ping

[lilith2013]

you thought aldus was kinda town though, so I’m trying to figure out how you got from that to being on the wagon. also surely you weren’t voting him just to get more content?

[lilith2013]

Lol and there's a tropical storm barreling through where i live rn so if i lose power, well, that's where i went

I thought that was over/like more of a last night thing? I haven’t actually looked outside

[lilith2013]

@pooky talk to me about your dc scumlean

[lilith2013]

well I guess it’s a me scumlean now

[lilith2013]

nvm it’s fucking windy outside

[lilith2013]

What did you think of the aldus mask shenanigans? I felt like that was a bigger part of the convo than his read on dsjstr tbh (but also could be biased since the mask is my slot)

[lilith2013]

i don't actually think any of that's Actually scummy? mostly because i was also hella confused when i saw that account and thought donc was memeing with it. plus earlier pooky tried to spin it as "scum!aldus panicking because he thinks he's running out of fakeclaims" which is lol so

the way Aldus said it made it sound like he was getting ready to push DC because people were somewhat clearing the slot due to the mask account and he didn't want that to happen. I just don't believe that he was genuinely trying to be helpful by muddying the waters on whether DC could be a PR, that was such a convoluted explanation. I would feel way better about it if he had just said he was scumreading DC and trying to figure out whether the mask account could be a gimmick that scum would do. Instead he's not actually scumreading DC even though the paranoia and tone implied that he was, and comes up with this lame-ass excuse for trying to protect PRs.... I think he actually asked Micc that question because he's scum and was trying to confirm whether DC was vanilla due to game setup.

I didn't like how DonC approached this game - for reference I just finished a game "Coalition Mafia" with DonC in which he was this super pumped up shining radiant townie dude who was very hype and eager to win - then this game his approach felt completely different. Could be because of game settings - could be because he just hated Koba, but either way it felt pretty off.

anyway I explain the scumread in these posts: 677 678 681

also I didn't like DonC reaction to the fake-Dayvig which I explain in:

1223 1339

okay I'll go reread these. any thoughts on me in the slot?

town: dats, dc (lilith), dk (ss)
maybe town: bug
maybe scum: pooky, tw

idk: aldu dsjstr

can you explain the pooky read?

[lilith2013]

okay I think you're scumreading aldus for the "right" reasons (ie similar to mine), but how did the mask shenanigans implicate DC?

[lilith2013]

@datisi

is there anything to stop DC from just pretending to be from that setup? like what's to stop him from playing the game as miccro mask but not have his role taken from the mask game

[lilith2013]

people were like, trying to solve the game and aldus was like "no wait don't solve it"

[lilith2013]

SS get in here so I can read you

phine

reading now

[lilith2013]

can you explain the pooky read?

dats push was in bad faith and felt like he was more worried about being right/winning the argument than determining if dats was scum
dislike trying to end the day last night

I don't know if I'd really say bad faith, I think it was more like he put his hands over his ears and was shouting LA LA LA LA

What about his take on Aldus?

[lilith2013]

@lilith
what do you think about this post that came full 21 seconds later

also assuming donc is vanilla because he made a meme account from a game that was all vanilla is meh but

hmm this post didn't really stand out to me as trying to strike paranoia in others though. I think also I remember aldus' post more because he later tried to back it up by saying he had PMed Micc about it

[lilith2013]

@datisi did/do you believe that miccro mask was a meme account?

[lilith2013]

I'm allowed, I just don't want to

[lilith2013]

I decide I already have problems with altslipping (see REDACTED) and it’s a lot of effort to log in to another account if my identity is still public and I’m already going to be altslipping, and choose to just post as myself

^ datisi

actually @ skitter did this like help at all? I'm not really sure what your reservations are about the mask stuff

[lilith2013]

oh sorry misread

[lilith2013]

just pretend he wasn't a player in this game and read me instead, I think that'll be much easier

[lilith2013]

I don't really understand micc's reasoning but basically he said something like it's veering towards bastard to force a player to use an alt

[lilith2013]

what vibes? can you explain?

[lilith2013]

I mean if you can't explain how my play here is similar to my play there then I'm not really sure how to engage with that

[lilith2013]

er.... okay

[lilith2013]

er.... okay

[lilith2013]

what page are you on?

[lilith2013]

I think you can skip the next 5 pages

[lilith2013]

I was going to tell you which other parts to skip but I can't actually remember where stuff happened anymore

[lilith2013]

Tend to have a better trackrecord on you by giving you space

agree w this generally

i guess i feel less motivated to kick off a more intense discussion than usual bc you're not feeling well
normally like for e.g. it occurred to me to ask why you're quite neutral towards a lot of the players who are easier to push into alignment-spewing

I have a galaxy brain scumping on this that's probably stupid

can you explain this one

[lilith2013]

I think the part you're referring to is related to him asking why skitter felt off and she said she wasn't feeling well and that was his response to that

[lilith2013]

What does galaxy brain mean

[lilith2013]

oh nvm you're right I'm not reading this correctly

[lilith2013]

hmm okay I can see that

[lilith2013]

idk how to read duck and I'm locktowning you so I'm probably just gonna trust whatever read you have on him

[lilith2013]

~vibes~

[lilith2013]

but actually I pride myself on being able to read SS correctly. that is maybe my one strong point as a mafia player???

[lilith2013]

What does galaxy brain mean

like, overcomplicated but possibly dumb logic

oh I just realized, is this a reference to that meme that's like the brain exploding thingy

[lilith2013]

idk how to read duck and I'm locktowning you so I'm probably just gonna trust whatever read you have on him

nooo my worst weakness

responsibility

sorry not sorry

[lilith2013]

hmm. are you not worried about me locktowning you?

[lilith2013]

lilith, reads on other players atp?

you probtown
aldus scum

not sure if I really have any other reads

hmm. are you not worried about me locktowning you?

I'm terrified about it

terrified because?

[lilith2013]

sorry what

[lilith2013]

no I meant the scared comment

[lilith2013]

Also I just didn’t really see what the point was of using the alt if you all know it’s me anyway

[lilith2013]

fair, I’m not sure that I’ll ever be able to really show a progression on you and reasons for it tbh. How else can I help you read me?

[lilith2013]

you can't read me by play?

[lilith2013]

not sure exactly how the scum role PMs were shown in that game (ie separately or together since, you know... you were the same person) but here are some vague thoughts on that:

• staying "true" to the setup would necessitate having one person control two scum accounts, which doesn't really work well in a "normal" setup
  
• scum kill issues (only 1 NK, does that apply to this scumteam too? very underpowered if so, also doesn't really work well in a "normal" setup
  
• wincon for guessing mains doesn't apply here since I'm the only one who would be using an alt

[lilith2013]

er, I guess that's a wincon/losecon for guessing mains

[lilith2013]

you can't read me by play?

I have no idea if I can

well try

[lilith2013]

yeah okay then this applies:

staying "true" to the setup would necessitate having one person control two scum accounts, which doesn't really work well in a "normal" setup

[lilith2013]

I suppose you can argue that micc is allowing me to not use an alt, but like I don't think that decision changes the game functionally if I'm town, whereas it does if I'm scum

[lilith2013]

yeah he did in the game we were in, I guess that doesn't apply to all games though, and like if you weren't reading that thread you wouldn't know

[lilith2013]

idk his approach to this game was definitely weird

[lilith2013]

uhhhhhh

can you explain what you mean by internally consistent?

[lilith2013]

oh okay, yeah that doesn't seem to say it's

required

, just that the alt is part of the role PM

[lilith2013]

meh

[lilith2013]

DonCo's issue W me not wanting to main hunt them was also like...low-key repulsive

[lilith2013]

Okay

[lilith2013]

oh yeah that was a strange take too, i agree

Was this in response to me quoting the line about DC? Or something else

[lilith2013]

sorry. refer username etc. :<

paging duckling, dsjstr, and datisi

re. Aldus?
while I was trying to pick Pooky's brain I noticed that they felt Righteously Fury that Aldus was scum and wanted to see where that went; the more I looked back over it the less I felt like I had any reason to actually townread Aldus

I feel like I've spoken abt this already

I did say I was going to ask, so like...

[lilith2013]

Why do you think aldus/skitter are scum together?

[lilith2013]

i feel p good with town!lilith and town!ss i think, btw

Please explain

[lilith2013]

i dont think donc actually believed that koba dayvigged him

This

THANK YOU x2

But you were still townreading DC?

[lilith2013]

tbh I’m slightly concerned that no one questioned me locktowning SS except for Datisi and that wasn’t even that much but I’m just going to assume it’s because dk’s slot was pretty universally townread and take a nap instead of trying to outthink my initial lockread

[lilith2013]

What?

[lilith2013]

I don’t think I’ve made it past D1 as town on ms since returning

[lilith2013]

duck have you read any of my games?

[lilith2013]

Why are you quoting those posts.... you think the typo is a slip?

[lilith2013]

do not feed the ducks, this includes putting bread and/or words in their mouths.

?

ignore the typo. I have a really hard time believing 1619 is a real and valid thought.

Why not?

[lilith2013]

I think you're strong enough to revisit the read if it becomes important.

Curious why you would say this then, if you haven’t seen my play?

[lilith2013]

SS you asked for mech reasons for me to be town and I gave you stuff and you didn’t respond which is making me a little sad

[lilith2013]

Can you quote me where she had a confident trajectory on that slot?

[lilith2013]

SS you asked for mech reasons for me to be town and I gave you stuff and you didn’t respond which is making me a little sad

I am still processing it

What would you have wanted me to say, "no that's bullshit" or "yup you're conftown now"?

No I just wanted to have a conversation D:

[lilith2013]

I think you're strong enough to revisit the read if it becomes important.

Curious why you would say this then, if you haven’t seen my play?

you're good at games and smart and I think revisiting reads is like, a fairly central part of Mafia

personality > hot meta; I'd be pretty surprised if you aren't the type of person who would check her reads later in the game?

idk “strong” implies a certain level of competency that I think is somewhat founded in meta and not so much personality? but yeah I’m a tryhard

[lilith2013]

I don’t know if you’re doing this deliberately but that’s just not the way I read that, like of course when slots get replaced you’re going to consider the new players in your read, and that felt like what skitter was doing

[lilith2013]

If the read hasn’t changed much (and neither did?) then I wouldn’t really expect there to be a lot of fanfare about it

[lilith2013]

not sure either. Brain hurts so naptime, will reread the skitter vs duck later

[lilith2013]

I'm gonna read the last 16 pages but I'm here to talk

Did you catch up yet

[lilith2013]

I finally put my finger on it: he feels incredibly self-aware in the gamestate, in setups of former games, but he isnt using that to sort people

Like he's saying he knew the dk vig shot was fake, but he held onto that knowledge for a while for no reason, really, and doing so didnt really seem to translate in any way to reads

hm, interesting

this reaction reminds me of what i've seen scum!aldus say sometimes but i need to dig up his town!games to check if he did that as town too but i'm not feeling like doing that right now

Datisi did you ever do this?

[lilith2013]

Aldus do you have any reactions to your catchup

[lilith2013]

I want you to make posts about the posts you read during your catchup. Pages 55-68. Do you have thoughts about those pages

[lilith2013]

Also:

also would like updated readslists from everyone who isn’t duck/datisi/skitter/pooky please

[lilith2013]

Why do you think it’s wild that dsj is voting aldus?

[lilith2013]

if I had to put people in tiers they would be something like

{SS}
{Datisi, dsjstr}
{pooky}
{bugspray, duck, skitter} <— null
{aldus}

[lilith2013]

Why do you think it’s wild that dsj is voting aldus?

dsj consensus PoE & Aldus is the most vocal abt Tring him

Can’t tell if you mean that this makes dsjstr more or less towny

[lilith2013]

bbs it's fucking cold my hands hurt

I was like ????? and then oh right winter

[lilith2013]

Can you work on your big post please aldus

Not saying that your life depends on it or anything but it might depend on it

[lilith2013]

Why do you think it’s wild that dsj is voting aldus?

dsj consensus PoE & Aldus is the most vocal abt Tring him

Can’t tell if you mean that this makes dsjstr more or less towny

more.

Okay yes I agree. dsjstr is pretty high in my reads

[lilith2013]

idk Datisi do you think an aldus/duck team is out of the question? because I don’t

[lilith2013]

bbs it's fucking cold my hands hurt

I was like ????? and then oh right winter

yup I had this exact reaction

American chauvinists smh

[lilith2013]

i feel like i should have a better aldu read than i have rn :/

can you talk about that read/lack of read?

[lilith2013]

idk Datisi do you think an aldus/duck team is out of the question? because I don’t

how insane do you think my reasoning for aldus/duck is tho

Sorry what’s the reasoning for it

[lilith2013]

I mean I feel like the majority of his ISO is about this stupid mask thing (not that I’ve ISOed anyone, just based on my memories from rereading)

[lilith2013]

@skitter Can you see aldus’ posts coming from town?

[lilith2013]

idk Datisi do you think an aldus/duck team is out of the question? because I don’t

how insane do you think my reasoning for aldus/duck is tho

Sorry what’s the reasoning for it

oh my god, you made me go dig up quotes

1283 and 1725

Okay but is this or is this not still better than the dumpster fire of a game pre-replace?

[lilith2013]

sorry datisi idg how 1725 points to duck scumpartner

[lilith2013]

Yes got it okay. You quoted something about scum!Pooky in 1725 so I was confused. All good

[lilith2013]

That’s not why I think they could be partners but I dig it

[lilith2013]

I also don’t think it’s insaaaaane, like I always feel really awkward talking about my scumpartner and also engaging with reads about my scumpartner when I’m scum

[lilith2013]

It’s almost like bussing is a viable strategy and an Aldus partner would probably be getting bussed into oblivion by the skitter/duck partner

[lilith2013]

For being LHF, aldus has been surprisingly difficult to wagon?

[lilith2013]

Aldus, what exactly was your reasoning for pming the mod and asking if anyone could play under a mask account

This comes up twice in your ISO fairly far apart so the excuse “oh I didn’t think about it for more than 30 seconds” seems like bs

[lilith2013]

“This” referring to you trying to imply that DC wasn’t actually from the mask game

[lilith2013]

Also I want a readslist

[lilith2013]

Spoiler: compilation of Aldus mask posts, for future lilith’s reference

What's the town benefit to claiming what setup our role comes from?

claiming setups seems bad as it can out players as being obviously vanilla

is there anything to stop DC from just pretending to be from that setup? like what's to stop him from playing the game as miccro mask but not have his role taken from the mask game

BTW I asked Micc and I could totally play this game under a "mask" account as long as I made it clear it was still me.

The question I asked was "could i theoretically substitute myself with another account like "alduskkel mask""?

Like what's actually worth reading?

I don't understand why you are paranoid about DonC's masked nature - like why do you think that's a gambit and what does he have to gain from the gambit?

I don't think it's a gambit after what the mod posted

Like what's actually worth reading?

I don't understand why you are paranoid about DonC's masked nature - like why do you think that's a gambit and what does he have to gain from the gambit?

I don't think it's a gambit after what the mod posted

I'm asking why you thought it was a gambit in the first place

Exploring possibilities + raising doubt about it means that DC isn't confirmed as vanilla which helps town PRs hide

fwiw I agree with this at a certain level, but I feel like there's value in sorting in {Pooky,Aldus} given the anti synergy they have this game.

I can tell you're not familiar with how Coalition went.

Exploring possibilities + raising doubt about it means that DC isn't confirmed as vanilla which helps town PRs hide

so you weren't suspicious about DC-scum faking a mask-role, you were just trying to raise doubt in order to help hide the townie PRs?


In other words you wanted scum to think it was possible that DC was actually a PR that faked being a masked-vanilla in order to hide his PR-Nature and thus you expressed paranoia?

Just want to make sure I understand your plan correctly.

more or less yeah

[lilith2013]

Exploring possibilities + raising doubt about it means that DC isn't confirmed as vanilla which helps town PRs hide

so you weren't suspicious about DC-scum faking a mask-role, you were just trying to raise doubt in order to help hide the townie PRs?


In other words you wanted scum to think it was possible that DC was actually a PR that faked being a masked-vanilla in order to hide his PR-Nature and thus you expressed paranoia?

Just want to make sure I understand your plan correctly.

more or less yeah

I think I’ll just use this one post as my example

Aldus’ ISO is like... not one that indicates he’s having complex strategies planned about the game, but then he says that his reason for repeatedly bringing up the mask accounts is that he had this super complicated plan to make DC look like he was maybe a PR and like reverse reverse psychology scum about DC’s role. That doesn’t jibe with anything else in Aldus’ ISO where he’s like trying to be carefree and shitposting

[lilith2013]

“curiosity”.....

[lilith2013]

,......... no one else sees skitter/Aldus?
I'll literally dayvig myself if you promise to elim them b2b

Does it matter?

I’m pushing through Aldus today and if the second scum is skitter then she won’t be killing you and you’ll still be alive to push her tomorrow

[lilith2013]

curiosity + if micc says yes then it's important that we not assume that DC's role came from the mask game

why is it important to you that people don’t assume DC’s role came from the mask game?

[lilith2013]

that’s literally my point, shitposty ISO + having some secret mastermind plan to disguise DC as a PR do not mesh together

[lilith2013]

I like dsjstr for town. Obviously it’s like an easy thing to do as scum but he felt genuine when questioning Aldus townreading him

[lilith2013]

curiosity + if micc says yes then it's important that we not assume that DC's role came from the mask game

why is it important to you that people don’t assume DC’s role came from the mask game?

more room for town PRs to hide

pedit: secret mastermind plans are shitty tho

I just.... what

[lilith2013]

Thoughts on his most recent posts please

[lilith2013]

Gah

Also SS whenever you’re ready I do wanna talk to you

[lilith2013]

I’m still firmly in the “aldus is scum and asked micc about the alt accounts so he could verify whether DC was vanilla and his retroactive attempts at justification are bullshit” camp

@mod can we get an updated vc?

Not that I think votes have changed much

[lilith2013]

skitter I don’t really understand how you the mask shenanigans are null. Can you explain what town motivations you could see for it?

[lilith2013]

that with this:

BTW I asked Micc and I could totally play this game under a "mask" account as long as I made it clear it was still me.

I just don’t believe that in the midst of your shitposty ISO, the only thing you are actually tryharding is “covering for PRs”

[lilith2013]

Why do you care so goddamn much about covering for PRs

[lilith2013]

I think you brought it up in the main thread because you were fishing to see if people would support you pushing DC for it, but no one was really interested

[lilith2013]

?

[lilith2013]

I think you brought it up in the main thread because you were fishing to see if people would support you pushing DC for it, but no one was really interested

[lilith2013]

It doesn’t even seem like you’re trying to scumhunt

[lilith2013]

I see like 2 reads in your ISO prior to that readslist

[lilith2013]

skitter I’m really not getting where you’re coming from with these posts

i kinda think that pushing pooky over it is just like ... a weird push to make as scum? idk

what push on pooky over it? Aldus was pushing pooky for “being too quiet”

[lilith2013]

So you think not attempting to scumhunt is NAI?

[lilith2013]

I don’t really buy that and I don’t buy that you buy that

[lilith2013]

Gah

Also SS whenever you’re ready I do wanna talk to you

about what

where are you in terms of reads and stuff

[lilith2013]

Why are you worried about her using meta to sort SS but are totally fine with her using meta when it comes to you?

[lilith2013]

I scumread pooky in the first 30 pages but I like his take on mask shenanigans and agree on aldus so

[lilith2013]

Do you think I’m confbiasing myself on Aldus?

[lilith2013]

Gah

[lilith2013]

based on your list your poe is {duck/skitter/aldus/dsjstr} though

I think dsjstr is town
it’s possible for duck/skitter to be svs but I think it’s more likely that one of them is S and aldus is the other

[lilith2013]

Okay I’ll admit it’s a bit insane but also like I feel like he focused way too much on this mask thing which sets off alarm bells for me

[lilith2013]

Also the last time someone gave me that bs about meta, they were scum

Idk maybe I’m confbiasing myself but also I promised to be more confident in my own reads so???

[lilith2013]

The way I read it felt like he was trying to cast doubt on my slot being somewhat cleared

[lilith2013]

curiosity + if micc says yes then it's important that we not assume that DC's role came from the mask game

idk how much wording matters but this phrasing isn’t about covering for PRs but instead about casting doubt on DC

[lilith2013]

I’m not saying I’m actually cleared, but confirming that someone is vanilla means no weird shenanigans if someone were to cop or JK me

[lilith2013]

and you don’t want this slot confirmed and I don’t buy that it’s because you were trying to make it seem like I could be a PR (see post above re: wording)

[lilith2013]

confirming my setup doesn’t clear me as town, but confirming me as this setup does mean I’m confirmed vanilla and therefore am not a godfather, ninja, strongman, etc that could mess with night results

[lilith2013]

Aldus are you asking these questions because you’re suspicious of skitter? Why now and not before?

[lilith2013]

hes trying to distance from his scumbuddy.

hey let me do my thing ok

are you scumreading both of them seriously? like do you think that's the team?

[lilith2013]

@lilith: Some paranoia, yeah. And I didn't ask until now because the last pages I had to catch up on were 66-68, which was when I saw TW questioning skitter about something similar.

can you explain why you were townleaning her before?

[lilith2013]

and what exactly is different now?

[lilith2013]

I read pages 66-68

can you please quote posts?

[lilith2013]

lilith do you think skitter's strong townread on you is justified based on the reasons she gave? Are you out of your scumrange?

uh.. yes and yes. when you asked for what was out of my scumrange, I was going to give the cheeky answer and quote my whole ISO. skitter is probably in top 2 MS players in terms of knowing my scumgame (SS should be the other one). I am very very clearly not anywhere close to my scumgame.

I don't think it's particularly AI though because if she's scum, she knows that's the answer I'm expecting from her

[lilith2013]

Aldus what is your read on me

[lilith2013]

skitter, what is your approach to aldus’ slot exactly? you had him in “idk” tier and were like saying you were bothered by the lack of read but if these recent posts from him haven’t been AI for you, how are you planning to sort him? what

will

help you sort him?

[lilith2013]

general question for the whole party: do you think scumslips are a thing? like can scum be caught because of scumslipping or is it more likely that town just fucked up their wording?

[lilith2013]

scumslips are a thing but happen much less than people calling things scumslips

what did you catch?

I don’t know if it means anything yet, still mulling it over

[lilith2013]

I don’t think “expect scumgame to be better” is a reason not to scumread them though if their play isn’t actually townreadable?

[lilith2013]

only two people have said it and two people have also said duck/aldus could be a thing so like?

I think the lack of read on aldus is very weird

[lilith2013]

I’m worrying about that tomorrow datisi

[lilith2013]

I guess in the case I do die, I should get some thoughts out on that though

[lilith2013]

I would feel awful misexecuting either of them D1 for a variety of reasons which is maybe making me reticent to considering the pairing, because if I’m wrong on which of them is scum then the game is kinda fucked

[lilith2013]

Where did datisi say skitter/aldus?

[lilith2013]

You know that’s ++ you/duck equity right

[lilith2013]

skitter, I don’t think you’re getting an execution on duck today. Who’s your second choice for execution?

[lilith2013]

Also I think I posited skitter/aldus but in the same way I’m positing duck/aldus, and I’m not deciding on a particular direction (today) (yet)

[lilith2013]

Man I have a lot of thoughts swirling around but I don’t want to say all of them yet but it’s so much to keep track of

[lilith2013]

you know, all you’ve really done is convince me that it’s you/duck

[lilith2013]

@skitter Is aldus your second-most-likely-scum?

[lilith2013]

@dsjstr do you mind posting a readslist for me please

reading your posty post now

[lilith2013]

what 3-person poe would that be?

[lilith2013]

sigh

[lilith2013]

nah dsjstr you’re good. Maybe you could just say [see post below] next time

[lilith2013]

So do you or do you not think he’s scum

[lilith2013]

like, you can’t have it both ways - calling everything in his ISO null while simultaneously trying to call him out for being paranoid of you

[lilith2013]

Okay, I probably just got overexcited then

[lilith2013]

I’ll keep my shitty ideas to myself

[lilith2013]

yeah i feel like lilith is

conf-vt

mechanically, and i've been operating that assumption like all game

it doesn't say anything about her alignment

confirmed VT,

not

confirmed vanilla

is it crazy?

[lilith2013]

It would be stronger if “this doesn’t say anything about her alignment” were in a separate post but still

[lilith2013]

SS, can I get your opinion on duck/skitter team?