Micro 960: A Year of Miccros II - Game Over

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3:18am

ah the scum hour
how unfortunate
VOTE: Datisi

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if there are any neighbors, I suggest that there are claims on D2 and those claims matched up to the spreadsheet. (should i survive).

i'll cosign the d2 neighbour claims but i'm not convinced a like, holistic massclaim is the way to go tho

can i suggest just eliminating datisi d1 and shelving mech discussions until later?

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can i suggest just playing d1 normally and shelving mech discussions until later?

oops lyncher slip, ignore that.

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i'm fine with mech discussions but if we're leaning on u to analyse softclaims i'd prefer u like, make ur alignment obvious as fast as possible

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VOTE: the worst i dont want ducks on

MY LAWN

can we just set aside our differences and kill datisi together :C

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What's the town benefit to claiming what setup our role comes from?

actually

dkko i want your answer to this

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VOTE: the worst i dont want ducks on

MY LAWN

can we just set aside our differences and kill datisi together :C

what

i'm like contractually obligated to remain on your lawn.
how do you feel about my continued presence on your lawn.

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yeah ddkoba but why would we want to do that and also why are you treating neighbor claims extra special?

there were very few specific types of neighbors across games so a neighbor claim is corroborated by a neighborhood existing as well. i believe neighbors should immediately claim to their neighborhood should they exist (claim the setup)

actually i like this idea.

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nakedclaiming setup, not fullclaiming.

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dkko..... :{

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oh interesting
DC is effectively vanilla cop'd

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dkko..... :{

yes?

nvm i had like this kneejerk sinking feeling that you outing DC was a bad idea
i'm kind of like, mulling over the theory more and i think it was a smart call

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i have a like low key wild theory but i'm in a teleconference i'll bbs

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via setup i think there's a slightly >rand chance that DC is town

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regardless I refuse to let myself get ego-drawn in to a 1v1 rn..

counterpoint: how does it help us on day 2? what does it do for us other than spew some players VT?

pedit: this ain't even a 1v1, this is a boring talk about mechanics that will get us nowhere

this is a mood, you're posting well for scum

I have a light townread on dk
And possibly scumpings on bugspray but i'm not sold on that yet.

i'm not sure i townread dk necessarily but i like really want them to be town
kinda think bugspray is lowkey townie tbh

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VOTE: skitter

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hi.

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now that's spicy. why skitter?

she feels hedgy/non-starty and i want to surprise her.

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aldus is like my designated pg1 townread
you're my surprise pg4 townread

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now that's spicy. why skitter?

she feels hedgy/non-starty and i want to surprise her.

Ya fair. I feel a bit sickish tonight and a bit out of it, hopefully i'll feel better in the am

hope you feel better soon :c

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aldus is like my designated pg1 townread
you're my surprise pg4 townread

i think this was @me but not sure
was this @me?

ya

duck's way of reading me is "bully me then see if i'm showing ~towny frustration~"

i'm comfortableish w this assessment but i was actually looking for something else here

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Tend to have a better trackrecord on you by giving you space

agree w this generally

i guess i feel less motivated to kick off a more intense discussion than usual bc you're not feeling well
normally like for e.g. it occurred to me to ask why you're quite neutral towards a lot of the players who are easier to push into alignment-spewing

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OH you were talking to datisi

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anyways yall all awkwardly skipping around eachother seeing who to target and it shows .

this is casually pretty astute
i don't really want to fight you yet
i don't really want to fight bugspray yet
i like dats a reasonable amount
i am enjoying the scent of aldus' cologne while watching him from afar

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i'm comfortableish w this assessment but i was actually looking for something else here

What were you going for?

do you disagree w me liking dats?
i'll burn the tell if i need to but it's marginally easier to read him via just letting him do his thing atp

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the worst it feels like you very much are just seeking towncred over anything by

trying to do the Correct thing

rather than being unafraid to be unashamedly playing honestly . feel free to prove me wrong but I am starting to feel out the case I have from my Vibes

can u elaborate on bolded?
i can try to respond sure but this feels like, loaded and blatantly incorrect...?

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i'll try my best to have a very good read on dats before d1 ends

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its an analysis of how you have been acting towards other players, such as datisi, when he threatened hostility you immediately backed off and were prancing around him.

i actually missed 91 the first time around lmaooo
ok assuming i'm a lying scum, in the context of my play so far can you talk thru why this strikes you as scum indicative?

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wait the fuck were you even townreading me for lmao

i mean i'm not going to townread you for booping me on the nose like a couple of weeks after explaining how i read you...

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bc I do not think u are scumhunting lol

i keep trying to parse where you're coming from with this

like as i understand it
- you believe i'm bullying datisi for the fun of it (conceivable :3)
- but you also believe i'm not trying to look like i'm actually extracting alignment indicative tells out of datisi

how does this make me trying to garner towncred by playing Correctly

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its the dancing around trying to purposefully not inflame anyone and look for a target.

Exhibit A: tw being inflammatory this game

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ah the scum hour
how unfortunate
VOTE: Datisi

VOTE: the worst i dont want ducks on

MY LAWN

can we just set aside our differences and kill datisi together :C

What's the town benefit to claiming what setup our role comes from?

actually

dkko i want your answer to this

regardless I refuse to let myself get ego-drawn in to a 1v1 rn..

counterpoint: how does it help us on day 2? what does it do for us other than spew some players VT?

pedit: this ain't even a 1v1, this is a boring talk about mechanics that will get us nowhere

this is a mood, you're posting well for scum

I have a light townread on dk
And possibly scumpings on bugspray but i'm not sold on that yet.

i'm not sure i townread dk necessarily but i like really want them to be town
kinda think bugspray is lowkey townie tbh

VOTE: skitter

now that's spicy. why skitter?

she feels hedgy/non-starty and i want to surprise her.

i'm comfortableish w this assessment but i was actually looking for something else here

What were you going for?

do you disagree w me liking dats?
i'll burn the tell if i need to but it's marginally easier to read him via just letting him do his thing atp

your high post count indicates you are an active player, so its surprising from a town perspective to not be actively trying to get pressure on someone.

i typed up like 300 words of fury at this and then decided it's a waste of breath and you're just arguing in bad faith.
VOTE: dkkoba

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I have a light townread on dk

i was kinda mild on u atp but fine

And possibly scumpings on bugspray but i'm not sold on that yet.

I could have sworn that i read in the /in to mod post that micc wasnt going to be including games with weird mechanics ? Did i make that up ?

Oh it was just bastard roles and mechanics. Nm

I'm not sure i agree with the scum!worst vibes
Pedit i maybe retract the scumpings on bugspray

stiff tonality around the mechs & noncommitment to the bugs/me reads definitely pinged me.
dwiw the dk tl is fine i just didn't really think you were doing anything ai at the itme

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You don't think I'm mafia though (:

like regardless of your alignment your opinion on high postcount players is slimy.
the fact you're also transparently ignoring my attempts to understand where you're coming from makes me think you're more interested in driving a push than actually sorting me

so like
no
i think you're mafia

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you quoted a bunch of posts, and what are they supposed to prove?

its the dancing around trying to purposefully not inflame anyone and look for a target.

Exhibit A: tw being inflammatory this game

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what's your idea of an inflammatory post dkkoba

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yes i am interested in driving a push bc - it helps sort u and I have suspicion of you.

that is how u scumhunt

like yelling @ people in bad faith is an awful way to scumhunt
you're spouting constant nonsense and expecting me to answer it

unless you scumread me irl you're not going to discern much about me

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see u are doing it again, trying to be all friendly ~~~ this is the shit im talkinga bout wrt not being inflammatory. when u start to come off as accusatory u immediately remedy it and try to make ppl feel like ur not attacking them.

have you ever seen a game with me in it before.

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i'm like
closer to salty here than i usually ever get

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hold on i'll passive aggressively link something like 5 pages into my first ever game

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=74328
first page

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what's your idea of an inflammatory post dkkoba

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okay yeah i really dont want this duck crapping on my fucking lawn
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if you would just invite me in for a cup of tea I'd crap in the allocated space.

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I think your assertion that high posters are abrasive and pushy is like, poorly aligned with reality. I've tried a gimmick alt where I turned the abrasiveness up to 11 and it felt inauthentic. I can be pretty intense but like, I don't think there's been anything in this game that's prompted me to up the intensity unless I bullied datisi harder but I think he already towntold before I would have fought him.

I can get game samples together if you want?

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I'd actually say I'm very careful and fluid with reads in general.
I also think most of the nonmech posts I've made in this game have been inflammatory but I'm not gonna immigrate a gamebot bc I'm not a gamebot

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I would love to be scum with dkkoba. lol.

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I think scum!me is probably also pinged there ya

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on one hand - i understand the sentiment of the vibe i get that u are just concerned with not being FoS'd, I have the same quirk when it comes to playing that I will hard question why anyone would fos me regardless of allignment.

on the other i still think ur scum

but alternatively I am unsure if anyone is going to be willing to sheep me on this so i may lay off for now and revisit once i have more evidence either way to sort you~

bugs/skitter what do you think of this post?
probs top 10 most interesting posts itt aorn

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UNVOTE:

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i'm converting my brain into direct current

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if i accidentally ctrl+w one more time

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dkko is disinterested in the fact i am a human playing mafia.
this is a point for us to address postgame, if we want. or we can just be friends and not talk about mafia. i don't really care.

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there's this flash of cognisance around this thought:

see u are doing it again, trying to be all friendly ~~~ this is the shit im talkinga bout wrt not being inflammatory. when u start to come off as accusatory u immediately remedy it and try to make ppl feel like ur not attacking them.

leading into this post:

on one hand - i understand the sentiment of the vibe i get that u are just concerned with not being FoS'd, I have the same quirk when it comes to playing that I will hard question why anyone would fos me regardless of allignment.

on the other i still think ur scum

but alternatively I am unsure if anyone is going to be willing to sheep me on this so i may lay off for now and revisit once i have more evidence either way to sort you~

which isn't like, hypocritical but it's hypocrisy-adjacent and it makes me think there's actually a sincere thought process here.

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as i said.
it's not hypocritical, it's like, hypocrisy-adjacent
and i think if your argument was manufactured that's probably a point where most people get a lump in their throat.

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ok do good sleep.

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bugspray like doesn't... make sense as scum...

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this is why I had DC as >rand town via setup
like the scum role pm in the mask game doesn't lend well to non anon games.

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tfw someone called Don Corleone townslips

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Holy ninjas batman

415 was a joke but 414 is dead earnest. it's a mod meta rabbit hole but please read the scum roles from that game

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that was a misquote but was quite handy!! fwiw the gut take on Aldus is basically dead on my impression of him this game

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I'm like pretty hung over aorn so I am full of happyvibes
also low-key dreading reading up
what are the highlights

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Seemed to me like a sincere and natural paranoid town reaction rather than scum trying to make sure I wasn’t exempted from the execution pool.

this made me go Yeah and then also

I should also mention that my aldus read is partly tonal, it’s just I think that psot was the one that pinged me most strongly. I also think he just ~*feels*~ different compared to the last 2 games with him (and he was scum in both of those)

this made me go Yeah

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also low-key dreading reading up
what are the highlights

Pooky/datisi mutually scumread each other

Is datisi still town?
Has Pooky done AI stuff?

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Who's scums Pooky?

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Pooky could you just ignore Dats and sort other players for a bit?

if you're hyperfocused on Dats can I like, throw a spanner in the works and say his overconfidence is very out of character and ask how you feel about that

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that's probably the best personality profiling i've ever seen datisi is cleared

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like, the outcome is sound good but your working out is backwards lmao

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why would I say that? I just submitted a dayvig on you instead

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... 453 is a powerful post
my brain isn't really generating new brain thoughts I'll bbl

pedit: if I had a dayvig I probably would have spitevigged dkko. lol.

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Or would it be that the normal mafia player can kill every night while the masked mafia player can only kill once in the entire game?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11184733

the scum role pms from the first YoMicc had like a clarifying clause so I guess in theory for balance the 1s nk could be written out?

actually I don't think it's a scum role because it's pretty explicitly -ev and -agency. it would be a mafia goon who is immediately publicly vanilla copped. the role itself also has some really damn cool mechanics but like. literally there is no way to adapt them across to this game.

I kinda just think miccromask reads pure anyway but like. Micc is a good moderator. schadd is a good reviewer. unless town is pretty low power I'm not sure a -ev/badly designed scum role makes it in?

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sick nice to meet you too pooky

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like I've spent all of our interactions trying to work past the issues you're having and drawing ai info out of you so that we can actually play a game of Mafia

am I to assume I'm part of this cyberbullying clique?

this is either fake AtE or like, phenomenally immature. just play the game. if you don't like some of the players please take opportunities to work around them rather than rolling around on the ground crying.

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like every time I try to get a read on you I'm sitting through salty arguments and AtE. dats is pushing you hard, yes. bugs and aldus have not elaborated a whole bunch on their reads on you from what I can tell. but like ..... you think they're all just towny shitsacks ... but also feel no pressure to engage with them? or find any scum? like.... you can't control their actions but you're very welcome to try and advance the game with those of us who are trying to read people

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wait sorry you think Aldus is scum but aren't voting him and haven't talked about it other than a vague comment about misreading your meta

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(less uh, assertively just a friendly reminder not to talk about replacements under new siterules)

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Pooky I feel like your read on Aldus takes like, a lot of liberties and kind of comes from a place where you've decided he is scum and are finding reasons to support it. like I kinda think your read on him is just at odds with the way he's playing this game

What's the town benefit to claiming what setup our role comes from?

This post is scummy because he clearly hasn't thought about the benefits for town of claiming which setup the role comes from - it's not natural for him - his actual thought here is about which fakeclaim he wants to make and which setup to fake-claim out of.

hold on do you think he's not thinking through what he's posting / lazy posting or he's planning out fakeclaims? I don't really follow where you're seeing malice in this post unless it's like...you think he's just posting it because he wants to keep options open..? like i guess at first I agreed with dkko W/O really thinking about it but the more I thought about it the more the actual benefit is mixed. I don't really think it's counterintuitive for town or scum to ask this question.

i will absolutely pocket both of you if i'm scum

this is absolutely the type of cheeky post Aldus-scum would make to his buddies in the clique and they could have a good laugh about after in the postgame

Aldus is cheeky as both alignments ... I'm not really sure I think this post or the ones above are AI at all

Aldus does this as scum - he plays pretty lazy - tunnels on a person, makes up lazy bs reasons to keep his vote on the person - notice how in the first hours of the game he's throwing shade at me for not posting, and now he's throwing shade at me for fighting and posting.

I don't think Aldus having a different opinion on you 6-7 pages later is a contradiction or lazy tunnelling?? this feels like regular 1d read trajectory, I was also null/scum on you via townreading a lot of the early active players then found your actual inability to engage in sorting kinda scummy. like this just looks like a very obvious trajectory to me.

BTW I asked Micc and I could totally play this game under a "mask" account as long as I made it clear it was still me.

despite clear wagon progression towards lynch very quickly - he avoid talking about me now and is back to talking about mechanics - feels like scum who is happy with where his vote is - a mislynch but doesn't want to say much because it's bad for him to get his hands too dirty when I flip town.

isn't this a tell that he *isn't* blindly tunnelling you?

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Koba is towny but I would guillotine there today for QoL reasons.

this is such a scummy post - lynching people cuz you don't like their playstyle even tho you think they're town is straight up gamethrowing

same here like dkko is fairly widely townread and extremely noisy.... I'm not sure what part of this post is inherently ever likely to come from scum!mask towards town!dkko?

without having a personality baseline for mask I think this is just nai

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the rest of your posts about mask just feel like you've decided them/Aldus are the scumteam and you're looking for theatre in interactions which I don't think are any more likely to be theatre than like. anyone interacting.

I think Aldus is just town and I don't really have a read on mask. I'm reading and digesting what you're saying and I don't think any of it is making me inclined to shift either of them down.

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weirdly I low-key agree with this

lots of great posts from her - like her overall approach to the game and her mindset so far.

but think this is one of the least AI things in skitter's iso

post that stood out for me was:

The pooky dats thing is making me Anxious :/

I'll believe her emotions at a face-level and I don't think scum feel those emotions when it's a TvT skirmish like that

I don't really feel like her feeling anxious about fights which are bordering on personal is something which she's any more likely to feel as town rather than scum?

I guess it's worth saying that in team mafia skitter's wincon (scum) was heavily advanced by myself and RC getting into a massive tvt D1 yet she was still very capable of both voicing her distaste for how bad our fighting was, and appearing disappointed.

I think townreading skitter in this game is like, valid but I still don't really feel like this is a real thought

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I also have no idea why you're using a metric for dkko where they would be less friendly as scum. your take on dsj is probably the read of yours which feels the closest to real :s

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have you like, tried to read bugspray and I or are we just policy null ?

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in short I agree aldus' assumption that mask was faking their maskness was absolutely bizarre. do you think it's like explicitly more likely to be planned scum theatre (which imo doesn't make them look unaligned, so it's also bad scum theatre) than a lazy moonlogic moment?

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as strange as it is I don't think it's an inconceivable blonde moment and I don't feel like pre-planning bizarre interactions is aldus' scum m.o.? like he's a whimsical fluid boi as either alignment , that post just doesn'take me think "scum theatre"

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I think I'm just fighting scum over fake reads
VOTE: Pooky

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The votes on dsj/bugs are fine too but I feel this

pedit: wasn't aware it was e-1, sorry for not announcing; I'm actually fine with you being e-1 tho. if I'm wrong on you feel free to keep responding to the points I've been makign

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hmm
VOTE: aldus

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murdering scum

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Aldus is in a blind spot where I'm likely to some extent confbiasing my pg1 townread

stepping back I can actually see what Pooky means. he's way too comfortable cruising while this wagon takes off.

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Aldus' read on Pooky is like very supericial tho. I think I'd tend to say hes focusing on mechanics to avoid *advancing* the read

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I'm masons with datisi. Like I'm not actually a mason with datisi? but low-key I am.

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pls talk to me about bugs, duckee (´;ω;｀)

You're not gonna get a good bugspray read out of me until d2 but like, aorn I wouldn't be surprised if they're just town

Bugs has approached this game in a way that is like, uniquely anti-charismatic. I know that bugspray is capable of trying to look erratic as scum but their doubling down on a tw/dkko scumteam doesn't look scum motivated?

their early paranoia of me feels justified.

dkko and I had a really big stupid fight in the middle of the the thread and I think counting it out as scum theatre is low-key counter intuitive for scum.

I think dkko towntold pretty hard during that back & forth and I think I tend to become progressively townier in general. Bugs is self aware enough to know they're not going to mis-elim either of us.

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but also i think pooky's earlier push of bugs was a scumpush on a mislynch so ┐('д')┌

it was a random vote on what was essentially day 1 of the game thread being open for a reason that is pretty funny when you actually think about it.

I wanted to ping them on why they were posting this game versus their basic nonexistence flakey self in the other 2 games - instead of letting me have that convo which even if you think bugs town would've at least given you more info, you decided to jump on me for literally no reason like some kind of deranged psycho move like "waaah how dare you think bugs could be scum !! look we said he was town!! you are being evil yaaaa!" when you literally didn't give me the chance to talk with him about his actions this game so far.

So no you don't get to say I was doing some shady scumpush on bugs - I put down 1 vote on bugs and the reason was basically tongue in cheek meta comparison and i just wanted to have a convo with them on their activity so far and you just randomly blew it all out of proportion for reasons I still don't understand which is why I attributed it to ego-driven revenge for the other game.

bugs explained more than I intend to explain on that page. fwiw I don't have mech info suggesting bugs is town, this is all me.

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misquote

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ur attitude

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...what a newbie queue tier question.
I'd hold my shot

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and my attitude is fine. perhaps u should take a look at the other players who have demonstrated crossing the line toxic behavior if u think my "attitude" is the issue this game.

I'm actually fine with you rn, I've calmed down
916 was just poorly aimed sass and slight disappointment that you asked that question

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it's directed at me.

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do you think this post is Town.

I think that post is a post
it's meta
it either substantiated why Aldus feels this way or why Aldus thinks this is a viable fake read

I don't think this is any more likely to come from town or scum Aldus atp :/

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like if I post saying I like apples, then post saying I like apples because they r yummy, am I townier for the second post etc. it's not AI it's just marginally more elaborate

I suppose I'm holding out for a "I like pink lady apples because they have this beautiful sweet/sour fruity fusion but I don't like granny smith apples because they taste too much like apples" post

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I think I've been kind of unengaging in general. Sorry. Did you want to talk?

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I think I've been kind of unengaging in general. Sorry. Did you want to talk?

Ehh, i don’t have anything particularly noteworthy to go on

Thoughts on dsjstr?

dsj's reads are superficially Wolfy
dsj's reads are usually superficially Wolfy

I'm kinda waiting for them to do something

Pooky's tr on dsj feels like, an actual thought and it should be telling me something. but I don't know what I should be divining from it.

wbu



pedit: Fuji apples are scum apples.

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Dkko's case on miccro is the gentlest fart in their iso tbh

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I only like apples sometimes honestly. bananas too. like, avocados and berries and stone fruits are the best.

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My thoughts are basically: enough people have done things that I think make them town that I just wanna use PoE and flip slots that don’t make me feel that way

Dsjstr is a slot very much in that category of “has not made me feel that way”

fwiw I agree with this at a certain level, but I feel like there's value in sorting in {Pooky,Aldus} given the anti synergy they have this game.

if I dignified dkko's question earlier with an answer: I think dsj would be the ideal dayvig rn but I'm not sure dsj is worth wagoning rn

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who cares abt pr or not pr just fking scumhunt lol

can everyone sig quote this so sitewide town winrate goes up 10%

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i made you an avi if u want it

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excuse me, dkko, um, I have a message from miccro mask

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Exploring possibilities + raising doubt about it means that DC isn't confirmed as vanilla which helps town PRs hide

so you weren't suspicious about DC-scum faking a mask-role, you were just trying to raise doubt in order to help hide the townie PRs?


In other words you wanted scum to think it was possible that DC was actually a PR that faked being a masked-vanilla in order to hide his PR-Nature and thus you expressed paranoia?

Just want to make sure I understand your plan correctly.

more or less yeah

... given the heaviness of this plist who did you expect this to work on?

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a lot of bickering

this

maybe check aldus+pooky's joined iso for like the last 20 posts, I'm p interested to see how more people are vibing

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Dkko wants to kill DonCo but it's boring.

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Im townreading you?

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I was thinking earlier as well that DonCo's stance on you is probably one of the townier things in their iso

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I've witnessed skitter both having this convo as scum and reminding people not to townread her for stuff that she can easily post as scum as scum lol

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I still think pooky is kinda scummy too, but not like to the extent that I want to execute him despite the claim

Your take on bugs is... interesting? Considering dats had a similar bugs!town read. I think I’m willing to provisionally say that executing there might be bad today. I really just wanna get this dsjstr flip done and then sort in like (bugs, aldus, skitt)

This is the bit that tickled my brain.

I think you're a really strange inclusion in this bracket if I'm reading you/donco having history correctly

pedit: not really, I actually don't like that read in isolation

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I guess it's fine. I don't feel all that differently. I guess I'm just hoping one of us towns up in a big way or gets shot

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pls have a read on skitter's play

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like it's very easy to work off tone and write her off but skitter is probably the most skilled & least polarised (neither town or scum game are disproportionately better) active player on the site. I'm not saying to scumread her or stop townreading her. Just be accountable for your read.

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skitt's recent posts are incredibly scummy - also i got distracted like 4 times already

how so?
no pressure re. distraction (hopefully), i'm running errands <:

pedit: oh lmfaoooo
self consciousness is a dead null tell in skitter's meta, whether intentionally or not she's started doing it as town too when she feels too townread

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I think the inclusion in that bracket is probably fine, it sometimes takes him a while to get a good bead on me but he's p good at reading me

specifically you get actively annoyed by a lack of read on you and I feel like it takes a less guilty mindset to include you in the same bracket as Aldus/bugs? if I was scum writing that post I feel like I'd feel like I was waving a red flag.

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Ank was actively wary that if RC was town you were probably scum. We just wanted to win the 1v1 without upsetting everyone.

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I have no comment I'm willing to make in the middle of a game.

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ok i'm gonna do it now. i wasn't making a case at all i wasj ust rereading to double check and yea im good on this

dayvig: miccromask

see ya

hopefully micc is around now

I really hope this isnt a thing :/
It probably is, but i dont like it

Is this game officially a normal?

theme but explicitly non bastard

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I was kinda hoping the vig thing was going to lie dormant for a bit longer :/

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eh if it's a reaction test dkko isn't going to give us anything juicy

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Wincon also has a clarifying clause for nonscum kills but I didn't really expect a dayvig I guess. idrc where you vote skitter just keep reading slots who are actually questionable please.

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carrying shipping
check ur role and tell me if you seenit

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.... my wincon has a little dude at the end which makes me think we're more likely to have a vig

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Ty

You win when there are no longer any threats to the town, and at least one town player is alive.

this clarifies what happens if f2 shoot each other :/

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tw, I’m not asking you to take a guess but do you genuinely not have any idea who I am?

nope, I haven't tried alt hunting you at all.

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lol
I know they're donco
I think they're asking who donco is an alt of, which I have 0 interest in trying to work out

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Generally I think it's more fun treating alts like different people unless it's like, directly compromising wincon. I don't know who you are. If I try not to think about it you're a new friend, even if you're an old friend.

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what's an alt?

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I'm like, increasingly-strongly against alt hunting

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I am actively trying not to.

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you are correct. if you want me to know who you are tell me. otherwise I'm not going to acknowledge that you're someone else.

we can have a cup of coffee and talk about this postgame.

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r we supposed to care about who you really are

is this like some type of Undercover Boss thing

ok I was starting to get slightly exasperated but this post surprisingly cheered me up

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Ngl I feel like anyone except datisi dkko mask and like probably bugs is a better vote than me.

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Pooky is a better vote than me yes.

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I'm gonna go water my cat

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*raises hands, mouth open*

wow !!!!!

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don't think this conversation is one for midgame. but fwiw you've disappointed me more than mask has tbh.

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:/

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I'll resume this dialogue postgame dkko

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that tells me I need to resume the dialogue postgame. lol.

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rxn test was fine. it would have been a sincerely bad actual vig shot. i also understand why you picked a fight with me at the start of the game.

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ah yeah that's the thing that really ran me down.
i am uh, pleased you didn't actually do that, but am still not ok with joking about it

pedit: same.

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yes

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scumreading people is. like. part of the game and does not make their posts less worthy of being read... like i think some people get too stroppy about being scumread but if they're emphatic that you're wrong they're either right or feel entitled to be read differently and the moment where perspectives clash is such a rewarding part of this game I think? maybe the flipside is that depriving people of the ability to have their voice heard is really demeaning and imo kinda against the spirit of the game

sorry. I'm on my high horse. this is why I wanted to wait until postgame.

pedit: scum aren't fascists lol. they're just playing a different wincon.

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I agree the blah blah thing is annoying btw and like, that needs to stay stopped

we all needa love each other more ^_^

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ok dkko.

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is it ever disadvantageous for donco to give reads there as either alignment unless they're scum and like 100% fell for it?

like the only reason I entertained it was in case they froze but I don't think it was a very convincing rxn test, sorry

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a dayvig rxn test?

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like 48 hours into a game on a slot which was not consensus PoE?

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"omg why am i getting townread omg"

"ive done this as scum"



shut up lmao. ur oozing self consciousness

I'm really not. I know exactly what i'm doing, what i'm saying, and how it's likely to come across in this pl

If you wanna say self-confident, sure, but i really wouldnt say that i'm self-conscious here

you've done no analysis since you've started posting today and have mostly just complained abt said self conscious things.

i dont know who you really are but it looks that ppl on this pl are too scared to challenge you and I'm not going to let you cruise thru like that

not to say u cannot be town but im getting the idea that if you are scum that ppl here are going to be too Cowardly to figure that out so sorting u early is optimal to me

and when i see things that ping me i am Concerned

ok i'm gonna do it now. i wasn't making a case at all i wasj ust rereading to double check and yea im good on this

dayvig: miccromask

see ya

hopefully micc is around now

(micro 906 1 shot town dayvig deactivator btw)

whos ready for day 1 part 2 without DC

its a theme game

and this was the way you executed it...

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so firstly. again. it's a dayvig rxn test.

the frustration that goes through someone's mind to lolvig like that is quite Poignant and your frustration didn't feel anywhere near where it was literally earlier in the phase

"hopefully Micc is around" is literally not a thing a dayvig cares about. you have a bullet and you've used it. you don't need the verification.

also it's a dayvig rxn test. lol.

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if anyone has played more than a couple of theme games and had a reaction other than "mmk 15% chance that was real", please in to more of my games because I want to scum against u

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oh
yeah vigs in closed 7:2 in general are Not Good and dayvigs create direct antisynergy with every role
so generally dayvigs are just improbable

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: )

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I believe that

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... given the heaviness of this plist who did you expect this to work on?

ha ha right nobody here is stupid enough to fall for that ha ha ha ...

lol <3

I'd also like more out of Aldus dsj and bugs but honestly also skitter

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and like, a two-digit % less from dkko
I ask much of people

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do you have feels on skitt?

I feel like I've been over skitter a fair bit already if you're asking me?

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someone post a good scumcase for me to sheep

may I suggest Pooky's iso

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I'm happy to re-state I'm just Lazy

write off the mask confusion thing & read further, Pooky is too caught up on that

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someone post a good scumcase for me to sheep

may I suggest Pooky's iso

to be fair, i am already voting pooky

my motivation for this game is very low due to all the noise and toxicity but if my vote is already in a good place then alrighty

sigh

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do you have feels on skitt?

I feel like I've been over skitter a fair bit already if you're asking me?

i just ctrl+f "skit" in your ISO and i saw a lot of telling people that they're townreading skitt for bad reasons but i don't think i saw you Give A Read on her?

sigh.

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I have no idea what alignment skitter is. I keep having little arguments with myself about things she's posted tho

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the joke is playing mafia
gottem

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fuck

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if I did a tier list I think skitter would be slightly below Pooky

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idk, who's scummy?

dsj is kinda nullsxummy

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how do you feel about dsj?

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good answer, dsj is definitely lhf. do you think they're town?

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talk me through it a bit, just because of the strangeness of the DK/DC team read? dsj is kind of, in my PoE but I'm cognisance that I find him ~tonally wolfy~ most of the time so it's not a read I feel super rushed to get correct if that makes sense

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Pooky has, dsj may have.

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oh shit this is like 50 christmases at once

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i'll be around after work in & out if either of you want to talk about stuff

no, I was given the choice and chose to use my main

if it's about the avi i could make a yoruichi micc mask ms paint edit for u

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i'm somewhere around

tw
dats
ss
u
bugs
pooky (hard softed tpr + not s/s with aldus)
dsj
skitter
aldus

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pooky is pretty close to dead null & i'm not really interested in trying to work out their alignment w/o flips. lowkey would prefer if they were sorted by nk

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just reiterating also i think aldus has the highest chance of being scum, and i really don't think he's scum with pooky.

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thank u for the warning, i'll begin vigorously psychologically preparing myself for the interrogation

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this is the best i can do in 37 seconds but i'm not like super proud fo it; i can have another go later when i have more time

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can you talk to me about sorta town on me and skitter?
also hypothetically assume I hypothetically claimed hypothetical masons with pooky, hypothetically, who would your hypothetical scumreads be in this instance?

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your town list feels like... very safe...

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sigh.
VOTE: skitter

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the dance has been on the back of my mind as well

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I think a lot of skitter's play this game is scum indicative honestly. my biggest reservation is that the gradual trajectory low impact vibe is inconsistent with her recent scum meta but like.....it isn't consistent with her town meta either. it's either consistent with 1) town!skitter having a hard time this game or 2) scum!skitter shifting meta to avoid using the same style she did like a month ago

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actually like
bugs scummed with her
she pocketed me
she pocketed you
uggfhhhhfhhh I'm right and I hate it

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VOTE: tw

Imma vote here for now

He mentioned dayvigs at least twice earlygame so i believe it

I dont like the shot tho

this is her debut vote of the game and the more I think about it the less I think it's sincere

this plist at entry is v good at towntelling and is a huge PoE threat to any scumteam; idk about donco but skitter and I are probably the two with more infamous scumgames. her trajectory on me has been seriously understated and this vote came while I was Utterly Exasperated at the level 1 reaction test

I think I want external input on this but I think my reaction to the test is roughly neutral as either alignment; as town I'm motivated to try and push it across the line to sort donco as scum I'm motivated to look like town reacting or just disappear to avoid fucking up

the fact I didn't pretend to be surprised but instead tried to make the test seem more real was something that felt right; it wasn't engineered to look a particular way and at a surface level probably looks disconnected but I dont....really think I'm being scumread here?

DonCo's issue W me not wanting to main hunt them was also like...low-key repulsive

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no

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I finally put my finger on it: he feels incredibly self-aware in the gamestate, in setups of former games, but he isnt using that to sort people

Like he's saying he knew the dk vig shot was fake, but he held onto that knowledge for a while for no reason, really, and doing so didnt really seem to translate in any way to reads

What do u guys think of this?

this post really jars with me as well. at the time I read it I was like "huh..do I?" but the more I think about it the more it feels like it's kinda just, words, or a half cooked meta analysis or something.

I don't feel any more self-aware in this gamestate than I usually do, sans being aware that I was irritated a couple of times early.

I also have exactly the amount of setup knowledge that anyone who mods & reviews games should have; I haven't spent any time like, deep diving old micros except for when it's directly struck me (like, the donco/Lilith slot) and I feel like the only things I've really weird in on are this + clarifying that the game isn't bastard which is like, one of the reasons I in'd to the game

Dkko's tone reads like an open book and I'm p sure the

literal dayvig reaction test

should have been fairly obviously fake - my only contribution during that exchange was to post faux twilight shit posts and try to make it look like this game was >rand likely to have a vig to try and make the situation more real



this reasoning... sounds like something that seems like it should sound good but it doesn't connect to me in this game at all

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I actually think her kinda townleaning me until a few pages ago when like, the d1 PoE is virtually Aldus/dsj is more likely motivated by needing miselims than actually trying to sort me. I could kinda see getting cold on me after I got annoyed and stopped engaging but fmpov I feel like I'm getting /easier/ to read this game rather than harder

Ok i have 3 townreads
1 maybe townread

So now i need to sort the other 4 of you

this recalibration felt really stiff as well

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I don't feel like I know all the right words to open my brain.

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something low key wild just dawned on me

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is that or is that not because Aldus is your scumbuddy?

also hey

pedit: hold on at what level do I not believe it or bother picking a bad faith fight with you atp?

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your read on me does not come from a mindset where you're reading this game and trying to work out my alignment. brushing this off as bad faith is ironically like. double bad faith.

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no rush. I'm stuck mobile until tomorrow so will be a bit slow.

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is that or is that not because Aldus is your scumbuddy?

I mean ... do you think that aldu/me is exactly the solve?l

I was wondering about this exact solve and like... yeah

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your read on me does not come from a mindset where you're reading this game and trying to work out my alignment. brushing this off as bad faith is ironically like. double bad faith.

I disagree that this is an accurate assessment of my approach to the game and that i'm not trying to sort out your alignment?

I'm not going down the "show me how you're solving me" line.

show me how you're solving this game, if you think it's like, something I should be seeing.
I can wait.

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your town list feels like... very safe...

I mean his townreads are exactly the same as my own, minus you, and you're townreading him, so this is kinda a bizarre thing to say in that context ?

ya it dawned on me that my issue was discomfort with you

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the fights ran me down as well this game, and I don't think it's AI for you to feel exasperated by them or do your best to disarm them.

I don't think that has anything to do with what I said...?