Micro 960: A Year of Miccros II - Game Over

[skitter30]

Hi!

@micc regular vla fridays and saturdays, etc

I have a light townread on dk
And possibly scumpings on bugspray but i'm not sold on that yet.

I'm not sure why we oughtnt just claim setups rn?

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skitt, there's setups (ala coalition) that are all vanilla
you get why that's not a good thing for scum to know

I could have sworn that i read in the /in to mod post that micc wasnt going to be including games with weird mechanics ? Did i make that up ?

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Oh it was just bastard roles and mechanics. Nm

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Yeah i just checked again

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I'm not sure i agree with the scum!worst vibes

Pedit i maybe retract the scumpings on bugspray

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Hi

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now that's spicy. why skitter?

she feels hedgy/non-starty and i want to surprise her.

Ya fair. I feel a bit sickish tonight and a bit out of it, hopefully i'll feel better in the am

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I'm not sure that's the best way to read you really? Tend to have a better trackrecord on you by giving you space

And ty tw, i'll prob be feeling fine soon

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I was talking to dats there, yeah
And yeah i agree that i'm a but off tonight but i think it's cuz i feel sickish and not 100% into this just yet, but i imagine i'll be a bit more into it soon

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i'm comfortableish w this assessment but i was actually looking for something else here

What were you going for?

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do you disagree w me liking dats?
i'll burn the tell if i need to but it's marginally easier to read him via just letting him do his thing atp

Ah sorry
Not asking you to burn the tell, was wondering how you were trying to read him

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the worst it feels like you very much are just seeking towncred over anything by trying to do the Correct thing rather than being unafraid to be unashamedly playing honestly . feel free to prove me wrong but I am starting to feel out the case I have from my Vibes

Can you point to a concrete example of where he's trying to get towncred?

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its not loaded. its an analysis of how you have been acting towards other players, such as datisi, when he threatened hostility you immediately backed off and were prancing around him.

Sorry, to clarify, how is this tw trying to get towncred?

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? He started a push on me
(Which promptly fizzled out for other reasons, but still)
I dont get it

I also wouldnt say that he's acting like he's 'trying purposefully not to inflame anyone?'

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Idk yet. I def wouldnt say i scumread him rn tho

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u are being hedgy and suddenly some1 is pushing on u v seriously and bringing up good points and you omgus them. ! the angle of trying to just eliminate the person going after you will not go well here js.

I'm not sure i agree that this is what he's doing tho?

Like he feels different than ye old meta for sure but i'm not sure this is out of line with his new playstyle tbh

(Which also at least in part means that i'm not positive i know how to read him ... )

Like i dont really see hedgy or omgus ?

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stiff tonality around the mechs & noncommitment to the bugs/me reads definitely pinged me.
dwiw the dk tl is fine i just didn't really think you were doing anything ai at the itme

And this is fair too ^
We have loads of history and i was bit off for me and he's correct in calling that out (i just happen to not think it's ai in this particular instance)

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I think this is most likely tvt
Almost never svs
If this is svt i'm inclined to think dk is the t, i'm surprised to note

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How can are you reading this as svs ?
I think this is ... bizarre distancing if coming from scum ?

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bugspray are u usually hang-bait with the way you play bc my gut instinct is to insta vote u and not unvote

I'm actually getting townpings from him rn ...

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VOTE: Bugspray

Oh? why?

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DC im ngl your analysis on the worst feels ingenuine and made up. Please ellaborate on it.

i kinda agree tbh

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town: dk, tw, bug

scumpings: dc, dsjstr

idk: everyone else

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DC im ngl your analysis on the worst feels ingenuine and made up. Please ellaborate on it.

i kinda agree tbh

How come?

Feels like a lot of words and an overexplanation almost? like it felt a bit hollow
i'm aware i'm not explaining this super well

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bugspray are u usually hang-bait with the way you play bc my gut instinct is to insta vote u and not unvote

I'm actually getting townpings from him rn ...

Not sure who you are referring to since both of us go by they/them

my bad !!!
i meant bugspray, apologies

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i don't think i have played with you, actually

dsjstr just feels a bit off

bugspray i think isn't super capable of changing reads on a whim in a way that belies an underlying thought process (i.e. they're getting new information and it's rapidly affecting their votes and reads in real-time but i think it's all coming from a consistent pov)

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dats is looking a lot better than pooky in this exchange imo

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hey pooky, what do u think of my bugspray read?

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yeah i feel the tone is a bit off and bravado-y in a way that doesn't match the context of this convo

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I find it a little odd that you’re scumpinged from it but not necessarily scummy from you

oh? why is it odd (but not scummy)?

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i'm kinda confused, i'm not sure what there is to like about that question ?
also you feel a bit like pyp to me rn
and it's not that i think the read was made up, per se, but it felt kinda like ~overexplained~ like you needed to show that you were Thinking about things

also i came to the same conclusion as you wrt tw and dk so i'm not sure i'm approaching it from a different angle either?

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Are you also reading dsjstr as scummy for entering the game with a totally unrelated thing to what came before or is there more there @skitt?

yeah and kinda not interacted with anything that was posted

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work was extra stressful today and mental health issues have been exacerbated i may not be as active as i was hoping to be sorry

:/ i hope u feel better soon

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I'm not sure i really vibe scum!dc rn
(I dont townread him either just now, tbf too)

I'm coming around to a pooky vote

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Also yeah, but I just think you’re both having like early game misadjustments on me and I’m kind of just trusting in the idea that playing through D1 will let you both readjust on me and get to TRs

Eh actually i need to think about my read on you a bit more.

You're also, like, oddly conciliatory to me/dats, who you arent townreading that strongly?

I'm kinda confused by this quote cuz its talking to us like u think we're town

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yea i dont want to play with someone who acts like an arrogant jackass and just tunnels and then his friends back him up cuz it's a waste of my time

Hi ok play with me instead? Do u have any other reads? I'm trying to get a read on u but the thing with dats is kinda messing up how i read ur slot

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Dats stop talking to pooky a bit. Dc dont call dk names

Ok now lets all try to play without any interpersonal spats, ty

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The pooky dats thing is making me Anxious :/

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Aldus
Ducky
Koba

Datisi
Skitter

Bugs

Pooky
Dsjstr

Hmmmm ok i thought this meant our grouping was lower on the totem pole, so to speak

Still you dont usually settle on a tr on either of us so early, i think

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The pooky dats thing is making me Anxious :/

Like IRL or game related?

Um both? Idk its making me uncomfortable to read a bit

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Pooky's posting in this game reminds me of Coalition when I was scum with him, especially when he was fighting with Koba except now instead of Koba it's Datisi. So I'm feeling good about my vote placement rn.

lol so scummy

Was the mask game all vanilla?

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Huh

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Yeah dc is +town on setup
At the very least can't be a scum pr

Pedit i already played that game! I actually corrected myself from saying your main at least twicd already!

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I really hope i dont mess up

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? I dont know what that sentence means

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that was a misquote but was quite handy!! fwiw the gut take on Aldus is basically dead on my impression of him this game

I'm just confused what tw is saying in this post

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also low-key dreading reading up
what are the highlights

Pooky/datisi mutually scumread each other

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I think dats is prob town
Idk about pooky, he's freaking out that dats is scumreading him and idk if that's ai for him, i've not played with him

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I dont think he's being that really, and i think you're overreacting a bit

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Heya is there anything important that's happened in the last 25 pages?

I kinda skimmed but i saw a lot of bickering so didnt really read all of it

Dats is my strongest tr

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Can you quote his paranoia plz?

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I think it's p clear dc is vanilla of either alignment and maybe i missed the original post but i'm not sure what all of this pr paranoia thing is about

Dats is not scum with pooky
Dc qnd dk are never scum with each other
I still think dk and tw are not scum with each other

I no longer really townread tw
I dont have a read on several other people

I skimmed enough to see that like everyone is townreading me which feels a bit off too

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I wouldnt say i'm self-conscious, really, more self-aware enough of how scum in this pl would view me and i think they'd much rather slap a tr on me than pick a fight

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raising doubt about it means that DC isn't confirmed as vanilla which helps town PRs hide

Aldu you're saying this is why you were questioning the mask thing?

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I'll also say that i'm incredibly capable of writing that as scum so

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Idk i skimmed like 25 pages and kept a look out for my name and everyone who gave a readslist said they were townreading me
I dont remember indivudual people's reads

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I'll also say that i'm incredibly capable of writing that as scum so

I like this too.

Ok i'm telling you i have literally had this convo as scum
I happen to not be here but this isnt a good reason to tr me

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Skitt — has been lowkey towny, and I just feel quite good about her. Would like to engage with her more post-weekend when she’s back

Tw this what you talking about?

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I think you're a really strange inclusion in this bracket if I'm reading you/donco having history correctly

pedit: not really, I actually don't like that read in isolation

I think the inclusion in that bracket is probably fine, it sometimes takes him a while to get a good bead on me but he's p good at reading me

I disnt love the quote i pulled either

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I happen to not be here but this isnt a good reason to tr me

At this point you could claim scum and I wouldn’t believe you

I'm kinda baffled by your read on me tbh ?

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"omg why am i getting townread omg"

"ive done this as scum"



shut up lmao. ur oozing self consciousness

I'm really not. I know exactly what i'm doing, what i'm saying, and how it's likely to come across in this pl

If you wanna say self-confident, sure, but i really wouldnt say that i'm self-conscious here

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I think the quote you pulled looks bad on its own but is better holistically given everything else I’ve said about you thus far this game

Yeah probably fair

Ok i'm at:

Town: dats
Townish: bugs, dc, dk
Scummish: tw

Idk: aldu, pooky, dsjstr

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Fair enough
There's like 33 pages of bickering that i'm not particularly interested in reading/interacting with tho, so i'm kinda trying to make my own topics of discussion
(Although i wouldnt really say i'm 'complaining about self-conscious things' either, tho)

You're saying you're scumreading me for the past couple of pages?

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not to say u cannot be town but im getting the idea that if you are scum that ppl here are going to be too Cowardly to figure that out so sorting u early is optimal to me

Ok cool so lets get me sorted then
What do u wanna talk about?

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Imagine being so arrogant as to think you’re just going to decide to solve skitter D1 when literally the paragon winner from last year was unable to do that in team mafia this year, with another paragon winner in his team to help him

Rc + nsg + tw + eddie + ank

Were all townreading me at the same time
T'was a proud moment

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specifically you get actively annoyed by a lack of read on you and I feel like it takes a less guilty mindset to include you in the same bracket as Aldus/bugs? if I was scum writing that post I feel like I'd feel like I was waving a red flag.

Eh he's taken a similar approach before (worded a bit differently), i think its nai really from him

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Hmmm i still unsure where to vote

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Ank was actively wary that if RC was town you were probably scum. We just wanted to win the 1v1 without upsetting everyone.

Fair enough!

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ok i'm gonna do it now. i wasn't making a case at all i wasj ust rereading to double check and yea im good on this

dayvig: miccromask

see ya

hopefully micc is around now

I really hope this isnt a thing :/
It probably is, but i dont like it

Is this game officially a normal?

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Idk if I ever actually congratulated you on that TM win, if I didn’t then, well, I’m doing it now

Ty!

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What the hell is a deactivator anyways?

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I was hoping we could at least get a conftown out of it if its real but therw would need to be a 1s scum dayvig for him to be scum

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Were there scum dayvigs in that setup?

He's actually been softing dayvig for a while so i think i believe the role

I think dc is flipping town and i am Disappointed

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VOTE: tw

Imma vote here for now

He mentioned dayvigs at least twice earlygame so i believe it

I dont like the shot tho

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I think dk is town on play + idk if there's a scum 1s dayvig in those games that were the pool for this game

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I wonder if the day ends with a vigshot
I hope not

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lol

If it’s legit just flip dsjstr -> aldus -> bugs and it should be good

Obviously check pooky if you’re investigative and he’s not dead

Datisi just town

Skitter and the duck are pretty town but I’ve been slightly exaggerating on both of them because while I think they’re town I also think they’re both more easily sortable on not D1

I will hede this.
Give me the cliffnotes for dj scum?

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Wincon also has a clarifying clause for nonscum kills

?

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I have a generic ' all who oppose town are dead' wincon, paraphrased

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Pooky i would like u to articulate ur read on me, plz

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Did someone say dsjstr's towngames look like this?

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.... my wincon has a little dude at the end which makes me think we're more likely to have a vig

Wut

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dsj's reads are superficially Wolfy
dsj's reads are usually superficially Wolfy

I'm kinda waiting for them to do something

Oh here it is
Anyone else have any meta on dsjstr's towngame?

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I feel like i've seen that phrasing even without the extra source of kills?

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He means the main behind dc

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Yeah, I’m saying I think this is a bit suspicious because I lowkey think it’s incredibly obvious to you specifically so I think you saying you have no idea is a bit whack but would fit with how you might want to be seen by both skitter and datisi who have revealed that they know who my main is even though neither has outed me

Hmmm? I'm not sure where you're going here

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He is still like my least preferred flip tho skitt, so if you could go somewhere else that would be appreciated

I'm not sure where else to vote rn

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Pooky claimed pr?

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Can you quote that?

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Ty

Pedit i said i skimmed like 25 pages. I made it p clear i didnt read everything

I think i'm content with my tw vote for rn

Pedit again: ya plz stop with the blah thing

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A) i wasnt aware you were townreading him
B) this isnt going anywhere near an elim at this point in the game, and i'm not particularly expecting it to, i'm just making my thoughts known

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it was a lot more fun and civil than this

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You just said you get why i'm scumreading him?

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Okay I think I retract my TR on ducky but I think we’re still okay to be almost mechwinning even with koba wasting their shot

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He feels kinda off

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In what sort of way?

Feels like he's reacting to the wrong things, almost. Idk hard to describe, a bit.

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skitter can u point to any posts that make u feel uneasy wrt TW

Tomorrow (irl, not gamephase)

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yeah im not a dayvig that shit was a reaction test

:/
Well i thought his reaction was very townie

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I think dk and dc are both town and i'm kinda Tired of this spat

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Ok i have 3 townreads
1 maybe townread

So now i need to sort the other 4 of you

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so firstly. again. it's a dayvig rxn test.

the frustration that goes through someone's mind to lolvig like that is quite Poignant and your frustration didn't feel anywhere near where it was literally earlier in the phase

"hopefully Micc is around" is literally not a thing a dayvig cares about. you have a bullet and you've used it. you don't need the verification.

also it's a dayvig rxn test. lol.

Posts like these feel kinda scummy ^

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I kinda think dc thought it was real?

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so that makes TW's post scummy because ___

Oh that wasnt a response, that was an unrelated side comment, sorry

I finally put my finger on it: he feels incredibly self-aware in the gamestate, in setups of former games, but he isnt using that to sort people

Like he's saying he knew the dk vig shot was fake, but he held onto that knowledge for a while for no reason, really, and doing so didnt really seem to translate in any way to reads

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Dats you dont have a read on dc?
I was kinda hoping you would so that i could outsource it to you

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Spoiler:

yeah im not a dayvig that shit was a reaction test and i thought at first it was indicative of a town!miccro but overall i think the most they've done is just make it so at the very least i am not immediately going to hang them today dependent on factors. their anger reads as Salt so that is why i am not as sure of it even being a town reaction. (any semi competent player is going to react as if they are going to flip town and "help" town where it might be beneficial)

What if there was actually a dayvig who shot you for bsing

Nvm I should have kept reading.

So pooky if you think that DC faked his reaction do you think it had anything to do with koba's alignment? I'm thinking that if DC faked it then he knew koba was not the dayvig but then why would he know his role?

Skitter can I get your opinion on this, I'll leave it open ended so what ever comes to your mind.

Uh first what do you mean by 'but then why would he know his role'?

(I'm not sure who the 'he' and 'him' are and its making it hard for me to parse the whole post)

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also sorry i don't know what outsorcing means there?

In this context i mean: let u form the read and then sheep you cuz i think u might be better at reading him than i am

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I just don't see how aldu thought it was a good question. I was trying to see pooky's opinion on the relationship between two players but what I asked would have no correlation between the two players in question(koba/DC)

I'm sorry, i still dont understand what you're getting at. Can you start from the beginning?

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I guess i just .... dont have a read on dsjsr?

Also why sre you so confident on dats, i'm realizing this is kinda uncharacteristic of you?

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I finally put my finger on it: he feels incredibly self-aware in the gamestate, in setups of former games, but he isnt using that to sort people

Like he's saying he knew the dk vig shot was fake, but he held onto that knowledge for a while for no reason, really, and doing so didnt really seem to translate in any way to reads

What do u guys think of this?

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Heya ss. Heya lilith.

I'm not sure how i feel about lilith not needing to play under miccro mask .... i'm p sure that dc represented his role as him being required to play under the account, no?

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Heya tw. I skimmed.

I'm around for a bit

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I dont love pooky encouraging ss to lolhammer aldu

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Tw i have a p hard time believing this push has been made in good faith / that you actually believe it / that you actually believe this is going to go anywhere

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Hmmm? I'm not sure what u mean by the pedit?

I have more to say on ur push i'm just on mobile so give me a couple of min

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is that or is that not because Aldus is your scumbuddy?

I mean ... do you think that aldu/me is exactly the solve?

I didnt like it cuz he was goading ss to end the day before he had time to catch up, lilith was able to post, or before people were able to reapproach the game after all of that and try to reassess once things had calmed down a bit

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your read on me does not come from a mindset where you're reading this game and trying to work out my alignment. brushing this off as bad faith is ironically like. double bad faith.

I disagree that this is an accurate assessment of my approach to the game and that i'm not trying to sort out your alignment?

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your town list feels like... very safe...

I mean his townreads are exactly the same as my own, minus you, and you're townreading him, so this is kinda a bizarre thing to say in that context ?

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I think a lot of skitter's play this game is scum indicative honestly. my biggest reservation is that the gradual trajectory low impact vibe is inconsistent with her recent scum meta but like.....it isn't consistent with her town meta either. it's either consistent with 1) town!skitter having a hard time this game or 2) scum!skitter shifting meta to avoid using the same style she did like a month ago

You know that i ger super tilted by fighting ... ?
I'm not sure how what you're describing is scummy, and more concerning, i think you know that

Like i tend to nope the fuck out of fights and try to pretend they're not happening

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*is scummy for me

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actually like
bugs scummed with her
she pocketed me
she pocketed you
uggfhhhhfhhh I'm right and I hate it

Ummmmmmmmm what are you trying to imply with bugspray here (especially what we talked about wrt mbos9 ?????????)
I also clearly didnt pocket you
I guess you can argue i pocketed dats, if you want, but um what are you trying to get at with this post

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this plist at entry is v good at towntelling and is a huge PoE threat to any scumteam; idk about donco but skitter and I are probably the two with more infamous scumgames. her trajectory on me has been seriously understated and this vote came while I was Utterly Exasperated at the level 1 reaction test

I'm kinda baffled that you think, as scum, i pick a fight with you over going for like {aldu, dsjstr, maybe pooky}
Forcing a fight with you kinda clearly goes against my scum m.o. and just like ? this is a very wrong assessment of how i'd approach this game/pl and i expect you to know better than this ?

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Dkko's tone reads like an open book and I'm p sure the literal dayvig reaction test should have been fairly obviously fake - my only contribution during that exchange was to post faux twilight shit posts and try to make it look like this game was >rand likely to have a vig to try and make the situation more real



this reasoning... sounds like something that seems like it should sound good but it doesn't connect to me in this game at all

A) it wasnt obviously fake to me
B) i think it kinda exactly describes your game here

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this recalibration felt really stiff as well

... function of being fairly tilted and trying to move the game towards a more positive direction ?
Again i feel like a large part of your read is a tonal thing, when you know there's an nai explanation for it

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is that or is that not because Aldus is your scumbuddy?

I mean ... do you think that aldu/me is exactly the solve?l

I was wondering about this exact solve and like... yeah

Ok, go on then, explain the associatives you see there ...

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show me how you're solving this game, if you think it's like, something I should be seeing.

During all the fighting, which i cant handle super well, i was p clearly trying to create other avenues of discussion in an attempt to sort people. I tried to regroup and find my footing in the game. Trying to work with the people i townread

I invited dk to try to sort me instead of fighting with dc. I tried to reassess my reads (well, the ones i could just then anyways). You can p clearly follow my progression on ... kinda like anybody?

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ya it dawned on me that my issue was discomfort with you

I'm confused. How are his townreads very safe when i'm the person you're scumreading

It feels like shade ...

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the fights ran me down as well this game, and I don't think it's AI for you to feel exasperated by them or do your best to disarm them.

I don't think that has anything to do with what I said...?

I read 1394 as you saying that you're scumreading me for having a 'general trajectory low impact vibe'

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more long form: you had me pocketed enough despite fighting with me by the time the day ended that I didn't think you were scum while reading D2.

I'm implying nothing about bugs except that 3/9 of the players in this plist have just witnessed you using an early D1 heavy impact push scum strat.

Oh you're talking about mbos 9 and not this game. Ok nm

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Thought u were saying something else

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I think there's a pretty low chance both Aldus/dsj are both town and you are not getting a Pooky elim D1 after how close they got originally. unless you go for a lhf miselim after being low impact for the first few days of D1 you have to pick a fight with another high posting player who isnt going to just explode into obvtown nonsense immediately

also you very literally picked a fight with me on D1 as scum in the last game we played together?

Even if i agree with the logic that i'd need to go after a high impact player (i'm not sure i do, but ok lets go with the argument, sure), you're not the person i'd start a push on in this pl here

If you're talking about mbos, i didnt push you. It was a getting out of rvs thing to make it look like i had Reads ans Opinions. I dont remember exactly how i read you but if i did say o scumread you it wasnt a push that i intended to actualize/wanted to force to an elim
If you're talking about tm, i didnf pick a fight with you

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A) it wasnt obviously fake to me

`-`
I don't know what kind of experience or mindset is needed to just automatically assume that a loldayvig with really stupid timing is fake

I'll accept this could be a difference in our mindsets? but I don't accept that you are emphatic that we must both react to the gambit the same way :/ projecting that onto my playstyle & the way I approach the game when falling for that kind of gambit is outside both my town and scumranges feels disingenuous.

Apparently i'm gullible sometimes

And also apparently i'm very much in the minority in how the dayvig was viewed so perhaps i am mistaken in understanding the implications of your reaction there

I dont think i ever said or implied that we need to react the same way but you can understand why i'd find it sus that someone has a drastically different understandinf to a key moment of the game than me, no?

Pedit i gotta get ready for work now bbl

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yes plz, ty

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tw i'm acknowledging i see your posts but i just ... don't wanna respond to them rn. ok if i get to them later today?

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yikes I’ve reached the toxicity. Is it worth wading through or can I just ignore all koba and DC posts from here on out?

i would skim slightly, there's a dayvig reaction test in there that's relevant/important

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I dont love pooky encouraging ss to lolhammer aldu

do you think aldus is scum?

do you think I think aldus is scum?

also glad to see the game has taken a turn for the positive

I'm not sure if aldu is scum, i think you think he is, yes

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how come you seem sad?

Life is a wee bit stressful atm. Things are looking up but i dont have oodles of energy atm

Pedit just cuz you think he's scum doesnt mean it was the right time to end the day just yet for the town collectively

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duckling, why did you previously claim something with datisi if you are now hypothetically masons with pooky

i'd be willing to bet that was a memeclaim

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ty

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Lol and there's a tropical storm barreling through where i live rn so if i lose power, well, that's where i went

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town: dats, dc (lilith), dk (ss)
maybe town: bug
maybe scum: pooky, tw

idk: aldu dsjstr

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These two statements are inconsistent - how can you think that I think Aldus is scum if you think I'm scum?

Yeah i was thinking as i wrote it that i should probaly add a clause that if you're town, of course

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can you explain the pooky read?

dats push was in bad faith and felt like he was more worried about being right/winning the argument than determining if dats was scum
dislike trying to end the day last night

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can you explain the pooky read?

dats push was in bad faith and felt like he was more worried about being right/winning the argument than determining if dats was scum
dislike trying to end the day last night

I never pushed dats

Uhhhh you were calling him scum for quite a long while so

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What about his take on Aldus?

i think it's reasonable.

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actually @ skitter did this like help at all? I'm not really sure what your reservations are about the mask stuff

i have to go back and see exactly what dc said about it ... but i've been a bit distracted for the last few hours (tropical storms!) and haven't checked yet. i will soon.

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I'll also say that i'm incredibly capable of writing that as scum so

this seems at odds to my experience with your scum game

i've literally had that conversation as scum so

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I can only pray that koba keeps to their word and deletes their account once I flip town if it’s true

hmmm i guess this can be internally consistent with what lilith said

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I don't think drawing the difference between faking a read on me to get out of RVS to look good & faking a scumread here is actually pertinent to your meta?

OK i'm going to respond to all of your posts with basically this point ^

I think that this is incredibly pertinent to my meta. I wouldn't pick a fight (that I might need to carry through to an elim) with someone that I was in any way worried I would lose to. Scum!me is actually ... slightly scared of town!you. I would not try to push you to an elim. I would try to pocket or like circle-around but I would not make a serious push on you.

There are many, many other people in this pl that I'm very confident scum!me could push to an elim in this gamestate. I would not have made my first serious push on the game on you

In mbos it was not a serious push, it was the sort of push that would have 'naturally developed' a bit but would have ultimately ended up as a townread because it is not in my best interest to be at odds with town!you when i'm scum.

In my internal ranking of who would make a good push as scum, town you is very, very, very down on the totem pole.

(TM was a massive exception, not the rule at all)

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I’m not substituted, and the most recent answer from micc confirms that my playing on this account is part of my role

oh sorry i pulled the wrong quote, i meant this one ^

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Spoiler:

also low-key dreading reading up
what are the highlights

Pooky/datisi mutually scumread each other

i didnt scumread him

i think he's just a townie playing badly

he's freaking out that dats is scumreading him

nah it's not the scumread

it's the arrogant doucheness he's portraying his vote in when it's based off nothing.

OK you're right, actually. I am mistaken. That makes me feel better about you, overall, actually

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I haven't, per se, but it's something that i'm incredibly aware of as either alignment

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Like it's in the back of my mind as either alignment but i didn't like ~focus~ on it till now cuz, like, i'm town and don't need to
but i usually have an internal ranking of who the easy mis-elims are as either alignment that i can call up if necessary

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oh yeah that was a strange take too, i agree

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oh yeah that was a strange take too, i agree

Was this in response to me quoting the line about DC? Or something else

About the quote you just pulled about dc

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i feel p good with town!lilith and town!ss i think, btw

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@ lilith:

you feel sufficiently different to city and jk++ and it isn't multiball (at least, i'm assuming), so i feel p good calling you town

ss i'm not quite solid on but i thought dc was town + he doesn't feel stilted really in the way i caught him in jk++

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tw most of the things you've brought up @me i addressed a few pages down, so lmk if you want anything else from me when you get there

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VOTE: tw

Imma vote here for now

He mentioned dayvigs at least twice earlygame so i believe it

I dont like the shot tho

I started pushing you way back here so saying that you started this engagement is a bit ? to me
I maintain that this is not the push i would have made at this point as scum, and that your assessment of how scum!me would assess this poe is quite off

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ss i'm not quite solid on but i thought dc was town + he doesn't feel stilted really in the way i caught him in jk++

I did not replace DC, I replaced Koba

ah, sorry. i meant koba, was townreading him fairly strongly

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VOTE: tw <3

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because ...

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wut

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i'm just as confident on ss as i was on djkoba
whatever you're reading as a change in confidence was not in any way meant to be read as such

and ss i largely read on engagement? it's how i caught him the last time and it worked so

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like i'm not sure i have like a 100% lockread, but i was indicting that the read has not changed much upon ss repping in

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i feel like tw is bs'ing a lot of the things he's saying about me rn

pedit ? i feel misrepped, or like you're deliberately misunderstanding me or something

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ss i'm not quite solid on but i thought dc was town

like in the post you're objecting to i reiterate that i thought dc was town
and what, i can't reassess upon someone new repping in?

i'm not sure i understand the point you're making here ?

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I don't expect her to suddenly be null on it. I thought it was stiff that she holds a high confidence level on the read until being called out on it and then is like "hmm I'm not sold but he doesn't feel tonally stiff" - that feels closer to a flash justification and an attempt to avoid tmi than an actual response to being asked about that read which she really has.

i think you're making up reasons to find this suspicious, sorry

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we're not eliminating me today!
i wouldn't, like, force a tw vote but like he's the scummiest person rn to me

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yeah ok fair.

i don't feel the need to gladiate this rn (but i do tend to need to like Respond To Scumreads on me and i'm not good at just letting them be)

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lmao that would be hilarious

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that would also be hilarious! and fun!

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i don't think that's ever happened, has it? that would be loads of fun!

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indeed !

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Nothing that TW or skitter has said has changed my mind but I do believe that the thing I noticed earlier was probably not subconscious but power went out a few hours ago so I’m being selective with my phone usage for now. Definetly going to explain further because I am full Team Duck at this point.

Pedit: I HATE not having WiFi so slow

yes please explain when you're able to!

hopefully power goes back on soon, mine was out for a few hours earlier :/

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i feel like i should have a better aldu read than i have rn :/

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i think i'm also probably fun to push!

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idk Datisi do you think an aldus/duck team is out of the question? because I don’t

i think this is plausible!
at some point (i.e. in one of the rounds of fighting) i had this thought but i don't remember where and i'm not sure i care to find it and wade through everything again

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i feel like i should have a better aldu read than i have rn :/

can you talk about that read/lack of read?

i feel Underwhelmed but i'm not sure that's ai
he feels kinda absent like significant portions of the game was toxic and now it's moving fast

but like he has some content and i just ... don't have ai thoughts on it?

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i think i'm also probably fun to push!

I like the way you challenge my brain and capacity for explaining how I interpret things. I'm not sure I'd put myself through this much pressure unless I felt it though. lol.

yeah, same
bickering with you over nothing is kinda fun lol ngl

pedit yeah hence Underwhelmed

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@skitter Can you see aldus’ posts coming from town?

i basically think that there's a lot of NAI stuff in his iso and idk how to read it
like it's just a whole lot of null, if that makes sense, and i think it can come from either alignment, for the most part

heya aldu do u have a read on me?

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ok, why's that?

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ok but saying that you're the pick for a push for scum!me is still patently ridiculous

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ok, why's that?

just in case this wasn't clear, aldu i'd like to hear a bit more about why i'm a soft tr

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I don't think your play makes sense as scum.
We've mindmelded on some townreads.
Your scumhunting looks genuine.

why do u think u aren't paranoid of me here?

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ok i'm basically where i was before, i need better reads on aldu/pooky/dsjstr

but i feel good about dats, ss, lilith, bugs

and i sr tw

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i kinda think that pushing pooky over it is just like ... a weird push to make as scum? idk

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i think scum!aldu is capable of making real pushes/reads tho, so i'm not sure that bit is scummy for him

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skitter I’m really not getting where you’re coming from with these posts

i kinda think that pushing pooky over it is just like ... a weird push to make as scum? idk

what push on pooky over it? Aldus was pushing pooky for “being too quiet”

i meant dc, sorry

i literally don't have a read on aldu. i don't know what else to say, i'm not going to make up one on him

and i don't particularly agree with the reasons you're giving to scumread him. i think pushing the mask thing is kinda silly (like it's a bizarre thing to push as scum? like it's just weird and i don't think that anybody would have really gone along with it) and not having reads/scumhunting ... i know he is entirely capable of faking reads as scum, and making them somewhat convincing, so i'm not convinced by this reason either

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So you think not attempting to scumhunt is NAI?

it's Bad but like ... not his scum mo so idk why i should be scumreading him for it

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no it's a good point actually

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@ lilith:

you feel sufficiently different to city and jk++ and it isn't multiball (at least, i'm assuming), so i feel p good calling you town

ss i'm not quite solid on but i thought dc was town + he doesn't feel stilted really in the way i caught him in jk++

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idk how to separate out the meta :/

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oh i thought he was talking about himself and thought that was a weird thing to say

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i'm not townreading you
i'm also just not scumreading you

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it's a good one, i'd like to here what pooky has to say and how he would like to explain it

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i said that because i wanted you to back off so i wouldnt have to reveal i am a power role. it also makes mafia think i am townie.

yeah this is kinda what i was half-expecting him to say as either alignment tho

i think it's a Good Catch but i'm not sure it's, like, impossible to come from town either. it's also not out of his scumrange imo

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skitter, has anything in my recent posts been AI for you?

not really, no

Lilith is very strongly town tho

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because the read became stronger over the past few hours?

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yeah i feel like lilith is conf-vt mechanically, and i've been operating that assumption like all game

it doesn't say anything about her alignment

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because i think she's out of her scumrange if it isn't multiball, and this is from experience of playing:

- city as her scumpartner
- jk++, where she was town
- hectic's lunacy game where she thought she was scum in multiball and was thus capable of scumhunting so i townread her for being sufficiently different to her scumgame (it's complicated but i basically think this game is a decent litmus test)