Micro 960: A Year of Miccros II - Game Over

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Alright gamers, its DkKoba here. I took the day after I got home from work to do RESEARCH for this setup.

I have a list of every setup and every role I believe to be possible matched up to a spreadsheet. I will NOT be sharing this information as it will moreso help mafia fakeclaim. Once everyone is assigned to a setup I WILL drop the spreadsheet with the setups.

NOTE: if there are any neighbors, I suggest that there are claims on D2 and those claims matched up to the spreadsheet. (should i survive).

I believe at a certain point we should claim which game we have been assigned as more info = more power. (day 2 probably)

also as my RVS vote I will be going for VOTE: bugspray. That is for not having a nice mod PT alongside the roles! big shame. (edit: found a game with a mod pt and gameroles but they were Messy so I still maintain this vote) I will also HEAL: Datisi for being such a perfect mod and making it easy to find the role list especially enjoyed reading Butterfly mafia near the end <3

~~draft

this is an insane amount of effort <3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wow we're on page 6 alrdy :O

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm 100% town this time dw

Can't get outhustled by you so I will put together a better spreadsheet and start running some data analysis

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: Bugspray

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

bugspray like doesn't... make sense as scum...

why?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ive played 2 games with bugspray and both times he was town he basically was not existent

since he's posting here it probly means he's scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

oops I meant they were not existent

im bad with pronouns

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ping DonC on the QoL Koba thing - he's not that hard to read as scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

btw for bugspray my ref games r

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=83365 24 Posts - spent more time playing chess in our PT than actually posting in the game, showed up after game was over and was confused why it was over.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=83423 2 posts total - replaced out

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

unvote

ok we'll see how good your read on bugs is

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

good joke

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

bugs read from pooky is very bad faith

how is it bad faith?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and whether your thought process is deep or shallow is alignment indicative?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also whether my thought process is surface or deep has nothing to do with "in good faith" which is a reference to whether you think I'm being honest or not about my assessment.

so I will re-iterate - what makes you say my read is "dishonest"

I can see why you would say it's "shallow or not deep" but show me how you get to dishonest.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok scrolling hrough your ISO again, you did ask the worst "why" about bugs, but i think my point still stands you didn't engage with me/skitt, who were around and calling bugs towny so

i didnt even read what you and skitt wrote

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think it's shallow because it is a very simple thought to make - playing differnently than these two town games, ergo scum

i never denied that it was shallow

shallow thoughts can be right

deep thoughts can be wrong.

You still haven't explained why shallow thought process is alignment indicative - town can't be lazy?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok

so how much of the game did you read and do you have any other thoughts on anything

I just skimmed it cuz it looked super boring

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wait you think me making a super shallow vote thats about as good as random is the same as pushing?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i don't believe you believe that

you're just reaching for excuses now lol

you scum Datisi? if you are you should just stop pushing because it making you look terrible

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do you think that's a serious reason to evict someone?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea cuz the play makes so much sense from a scumPOV

ooh everyone is thinking this townplayer is town? lemme jump in here and say he's scum for a really silly reason instead!!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

hey pooky, what do u think of my bugspray read?

i literally didn't even read bugspray's posts this game yet so I dunno how good your read is.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it's gonna be funny at the end of game if bugs flips scum and you end up losing to him.

but it's alright cuz you will still think you played this correct and I'm the bad one here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

bugs is town so i'm not gonna end up losing to

them

also i get the feeling you're trying to be condescending to me in order to get me to back off and it's not a good look, pooky

the only way you'd know for sure bugs is town is if you were scum btw

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

get me to back off and it's not a good look, pooky

I don't care if you back off or not

I'm perfectly fine with being evicted D1 to make you look bad D2.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yeah i feel the tone is a bit off and bravado-y in a way that doesn't match the context of this convo

I'm confident because I'm town, so there's no way Datisi wins this lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

cheap potshots and pretending to be a town martyr, ok

you still haven't eplained what part of my thought process is scummy/unreasonable

and you're also not voting me so idk what your read on me even is tbh

you're either ego-driven town or scum and if people believe the nonsense you're selling then I'm perfectly happy to stop wasting time on this game and exit early

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you think i could be ego driven town then you'd try to see my pov, explain where i'm wrong, see our common side etc etc

i alrdy explained why you're wrong

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think pooky is playing too angry for this early of a gamestate and its anti town

nah im tired of datisi's nonsense, if he really wants to evict me it's fine idc

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im sure after i flip town you guys will find a way to blame me for getting evicted when it's your own ego driven decision to evict me lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: pooky

sorry you rolled scum again

yea i dont want to play with someone who acts like an arrogant jackass and just tunnels and then his friends back him up cuz it's a waste of my time

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its p obvious these people are not interested in actual conversation koba

they're just gonna claim each other are super town and just lynch us cuz we dont fit in their club

its fine if they want to play mafia that way I don't really want to be here.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i alrdy told u why ur wrong

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you're gonna play the victim card then yeah you'll eat rope and yeah if you flip town it's gonna 100% be your own fault

Nope it's 100% your fault because you pushed me on some bullshit reason lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

imagine Datisi gaslighting so hard

if you BELIEVE I AM SCUM

WHY ARE YOU SAYING ITS MY FAULT IF YOU MISLYNCH ME

JUST LOLOL

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

do you believe I'm scum or not?

You can't believe Pooky is definitely scum

and

It's totally Pooky's fault if we mislynch him

at the same time

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea you already got caught in your own lies Datisi

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

all you're doing is calling me an egoistical jackass! that's not telling me why i'm wrong!

i literally told you why you're wrong

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Dats being super confident I'm Scum:

VOTE: pooky

sorry you rolled scum again

also that bugs read from pooky is very bad faith and pooky needs to eat rope, thank you

yeah, when you flip red today it's gonna spew them town

Dats Now Saying It's my fault if I flip town:

yeah if you flip town it's gonna 100% be your own fault

Do you think I'm scum or town? Make it clear.

You are the one pushing for my D1 eliimination.

Own it. Don't blame the fucking victim. You fuck up that's on you not on me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Here's what I don't get

Where does Datisi get this level of confidence:

VOTE: pooky

sorry you rolled scum again

also that bugs read from pooky is very bad faith and pooky needs to eat rope, thank you

yeah, when you flip red today it's gonna spew them town

When he's reacting to essentially a random vote from me.

The reason I voted bugspray was basically a joke vote on literally the first day of the thread being open and he's 100% sure I'm scum??? WHERE DOES HE GET THIS CONFIDENCE FROM?

I've never in my years of playing this game ever seen someone go "I'm super sure you're scum cuz you made this random vote" and not be completely full of shit.

Then he tries to claim I'm actually pushing for Bugspray to be lynched.. Like what? Based off 1 random vote?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea it's completely ego-driven crap

if you lynch me it's on you not on me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Datisi is really not an ego-driven player

I can be, koba definitely is

I think it’s scummy that you’re representing his play as that when I just know that regardless of alignment it’s inaccurate

If you’re town I think you should re-evaluate in the assumption that datisi is treating you in good faith here

If you’re scum then like w/e, u do u but this isn’t really s fun way to play

I don't see how you can post what he posted unless it's pure ego cuz it doesnt make sense from an analytical framework

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky's posting in this game reminds me of Coalition when I was scum with him, especially when he was fighting with Koba except now instead of Koba it's Datisi. So I'm feeling good about my vote placement rn.

lol so scummy

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so basically if you're scum at most you have 1 night kill?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@MicroMod:

are the mafia picked from random games going to be on different teams or on their own team?

are the number of mafia balanced or completely random?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm looking at the setup for the mask game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

koba posted it earlier:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=83335

in this game the masked villain only has 1 nightkill for the entire game but could kill people by guessing who they were behind their masks.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also low-key dreading reading up
what are the highlights

Pooky/datisi mutually scumread each other

i didnt scumread him

i think he's just a townie playing badly

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

no idea yet

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

he's freaking out that dats is scumreading him

nah it's not the scumread

it's the arrogant doucheness he's portraying his vote in when it's based off nothing.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@MicroMod

This is a Theme game that uses roles from nine randomly chosen games between Micros 879 and 955.
Each chosen game has exactly one of its roles represented in the setup for this game.

Are the roles chosen from each randomly chosen game randomized or specifically chosen for balance?

Are the anti-town roles picked from each game aligned with each other automatically? For example if mafia are picked from 2 separate minis - would they then ally together or be two separate scum factions since the original role did not include a teammate from the other game?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I dont think he's being that really, and i think you're overreacting a bit

the posts I have quoted from his initial vote on me read as if he is 100% sure of my scum-iness.

That's the height of arrogance when you have no role info and are just going off a random vote on day1 of day1

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Are the roles chosen from each randomly chosen game randomized or specifically chosen for balance?

The nine games represented in the setup have been randomly chosen. The role used from each of those setups have been specifically chosen to balance the setup as a whole.

Are the anti-town roles picked from each game aligned with each other automatically? For example if mafia are picked from 2 separate minis - would they then ally together or be two separate scum factions since the original role did not include a teammate from the other game?

If players with Mafia alignment were chosen from two separate games, they would combine to be one Mafia faction in this game.

If one of the mafia chosen was a one-shot nightkill mafia, would that apply to the entire mafia team this game as in they will only get 1 nightkill or would it be added as a bonus extra nightkill?

Or would it be that the normal mafia player can kill every night while the masked mafia player can only kill once in the entire game?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

oh, so now it's a random vote? like when you voted when the game was already on pg 6 or so, and were asking the worst why he disagreed with your vote? and how you stated your "case" right after skitter said she thinks bugs is town? joke vote??? good one.

we're literally in the first day of day 1.

if you don't have a sense of humor that's not my fault

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and were asking the worst why he disagreed with your vote?

what does this have to do with it being a random vote?

if someone says this person is town you wouldn't ask them why?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky imma be honest i might be seeing where u are coming from with scum!datisi angle but im keeping my vote on u until u start talking

i didn't say datisi is scum

he's probly just a town player playing badly scum usually don't try to drive a wagon on day 1 on an innocent person

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Datisi

did you really think I wanted to evict Bugspray because he's been awol in 2 games with me and he was town in both those games but this game he's not awol? Like in what universe is that a good enough reason to evict someone?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

anger is usually alignment indicative for people who don't get angry often

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wtf r u even talking about

u told me bugspray isn't scum

i said ok i'll listen to you

in which universe did I try to discredit you?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok: i think you are scum. if you were to flip town, i wouldn't feel bad about misreading you because you were doing scummy shit.

no you misread me because you're playing badly and this probably has more to do with what I did in the game you modded than what I'm doing in this game - I'm pretty sure if any other player did what I did in this game you wouldn't have made a big deal out of it. Hence what I said about this being an ego-driven revenge move.

in fact of all the players voting me, all 4 of them have played in that game I'm referencing so that only reinforces my opinion that this is more for out-of-game revenge than anything I did in this game.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

u told me bugspray isn't scum

i said ok i'll listen to you

like
this is so overly simplified and borderline not even what happened

unvote

ok we'll see how good your read on bugs is

That's what I wrote.

how is that not what happened?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Spoiler:

i don't believe you believe that

you're just reaching for excuses now lol

you scum Datisi? if you are you should just stop pushing because it making you look terrible

it's gonna be funny at the end of game if bugs flips scum and you end up losing to him.

but it's alright cuz you will still think you played this correct and I'm the bad one here

bugs is town so i'm not gonna end up losing to

them

also i get the feeling you're trying to be condescending to me in order to get me to back off and it's not a good look, pooky

the only way you'd know for sure bugs is town is if you were scum btw

get me to back off and it's not a good look, pooky

I don't care if you back off or not

I'm perfectly fine with being evicted D1 to make you look bad D2.

cheap potshots and pretending to be a town martyr, ok

you still haven't eplained what part of my thought process is scummy/unreasonable

and you're also not voting me so idk what your read on me even is tbh

you're either ego-driven town or scum and if people believe the nonsense you're selling then I'm perfectly happy to stop wasting time on this game and exit early

> calling me reaching and immedately calling me scum
> "you'll still think you're in the right even if i flip green"
> the famous "only scum knows everyone's alignments" bullshit
> "i don't care about dying day 1 if datisi looks bad day 2" playing the marytr
> "you're either ego-driven or scum, if people listen to you i don't even want to play"

yeah none of these are bad-faithy discrediting

where do I call you scum?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i already said this is some ego-driven revenge bullshit for the other game.

you won't admit it, you'll just randomly make up some bad excuses for it

that's fine

hope me getting evicted checks that bucket list for you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

btw for those of you unfamiliar with what I'm talking about for the other game

we just finished this game : https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=83423

and

DonC
Koba
Myself
Aldus

were in it. Datisi was the mod.

Now they're all voting me cuz revenge - kinda sad cuz I was hoping we could just have a chill time and keep games separate from each other.

So it has nothing to do with 1 random vote this game, Datisi driving the train cuz this is some kind of coping mechanism for him.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea it's just a coincidence that the 4 people who played with me in that game that we just finished are the ones voting for me now.

it's basically recency bias - you saw so much of my scumposting you think everything I post is scummy.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky im not voting u bc revenge i voted u bc u were hardfocused on mechs and im not happy letting ppl active lurk.

r u serious

look at my ISO

how many posts r about mechanics and how many are not.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

literally in the first quote in the spoiler

"you scum Datisi?" is a question, not a statement.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if it ended there, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now

yea it didn't end there cuz you wanted me dead for reasons that have nothing to do with the read on bugs

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: pooky

sorry you rolled scum again

this is you calling me scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

when you flip red today it's gonna spew them town

this is you calling me scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

notice how what you said to me is completely different from what I said to you;

"You scum Datisi?"

That's a QUESTION.

Now if someone comes and hammers me - that's 100% on you playing bad - not on me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

literally in the first quote in the spoiler

"you scum Datisi?" is a question, not a statement.

yeah a questing, with obvious heavy implication behind it

like don't play dumb

questions =/= statement

I've literally stated you are probably town multiple times.

I have never stated you are scum.

How are you so bad that you can't read.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

how is this not bad faith discrediting??? like this is literally insulting

me saying you're wrong about me isn't the same thing as discrediting your read of the game. I literally said I'd listen to you about bugspray and let's see how your read works out.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it's basically recency bias - you saw so much of my scumposting you think everything I post is scummy.

is it recency bias or am i some insane person taking revenge on you for ??? reasons - you can't have it both ways

you're literally picking whatever shit you can and seeing what sticks

i never said you were insane

i said this is an ego-driven revenge move for the other game. that's why the 4 people voting me are the same as the 4 people who were in the other game - you guys want to do some revenge nonsense cuz you feel like fools for the other game. Just saying it how it is.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this is obviously impling you think i'm scum

nope it means you're literally making up shit to get me lynched for the other game because this is cross-game ego revenge lynch

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm literally 1000% sure if ANY other player on this website OTHER than me had made the EXACT same posts I did in this game, he would not have to put up with your complete BS line of attack.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

how is no1 taking you seriously

you got me at E-1 on literally first day of the game thread being open

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like, i ask again, WHY WOULD I BE TAKING REVENGE ON YOU

i was the fucking moderator of that game

this was your post on the mod PT when I got Klick Mislynched:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11987008

so sure doesn't look like you were happy watching them miss over and over

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like you literally read so many posts of me lying through my teeth in your game and being fustrated the town wouldn't get rid of me that now you think everything I post is scummy,

even when it's like a random vote on the first day the game is open.

That's why you made some giant convoluted push on me, it's some ego affirming thing so on the off-chance I do flip red you can say to your buddy aldus, see he wasn't that hard to get lynched.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

please take the advice i offered earlier bc all u 2 are doing are yelling at eachother abt petty nonsense and it isnt helping anyone solve this game other than at best giving ppl something to read on my own alignment to others

he's the one trying to kill me here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if i don't prove my "dumb point" as you put it, this guy is going to lynch me and we are down a townie so it's a helluva easier for him to disengage than I am.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think its pretty obv from the mod thread you were rooting for the town to lynch me in that game and you were in disbelief the town could end up in such a trainwreck

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like you literally read so many posts of me lying through my teeth in your game and being fustrated the town wouldn't get rid of me that now you think everything I post is scummy,

even when it's like a random vote on the first day the game is open.

That's why you made some giant convoluted push on me, it's some ego affirming thing so on the off-chance I do flip red you can say to your buddy aldus, see he wasn't that hard to get lynched.

i literally explained it

stop strawmanning

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i don't have a choice to stop cuz he's the one who wants me dead

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

a shitpush that happens to be the leading wagon right now

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so wait did you really think that was a meta-vote

"i've played with this guy twice, he was awol both times and was town, this time he's posting so he's scum"

does that sound like a joke vote, a random vote, or a real genuine attempt to get this guy to eat rope?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

u do have a choice be he is 1 person and 1 person a hanging does not make. you can easily make ur case to everyone else at the table but if u wanna keep entertaining what is obviously a shitpush regardless of what EITHER of ur alignments are I'm going to just policy vote u

if i dont' answer datisi's shitpush and I get lynched for it - then it's my fault for not defending myself.

I flip green I'm gonna at least put up a fight cuz I ain't eating rope for free.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

no, i thought it was a scumpush vote, and i still think that

I don't scumpush with that weak shit

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky do you townread miccro mask?

my only townreads are koba and datisi

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why would i vote him i don't scumread him

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

nobody, need to re-read and think first.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i didnt like how worst didnt respond to me when i asked worst why he disagreed

thats all i remember but i'll have to read more

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

koba, i cannot stop interacting with some who is literally being offensive to me

you literally attacked me first lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we should just get our own discord thread where we can curse each other out and get this shit out of our system but it's against the rules

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok for kobas sake

im just not going to talk to you again about this case unless you have something new to add


if you lynch me - it's because you made a mistake reading me - not because some i played badly bullshit

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why are you trying to rerail the thread into that argument

nah he did this in the last game i played with him too when we were town lovers.

he showed up after the game was over already and was all confused and thought it was still day 1 or some bullshit

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

maybe that was uncalled for, but my god koba your ego is making you pretty unpleasant to play with.

koba is probly the only reason i havent hammered myself or replaced out yet

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like you say koba is unpleasant, imagine how i feel after responding to your shitpush while your 2 buddies Aldus/Miccro smirk and tag along in the lurkiest manner possible

like aldus probly is scum in this game because he knows how I play as scum and this isn't it but he's still voting me anyway

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it was the straw that broke the camel's back im just fucking done with reading his posts and wanted to i don't care if he's town or scum anymore because his mere presence is hurting town and even if he is some town role he's helping scum

see even bugs knows im town

they just want to get rid of me anyway. despite it being the first 24h of day 1 and not even giving me a fucking chance to do shit.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'll be honest this is the most unpleasant game i've ever played on this site and it hasn't been 48 hours yet

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like it honestly feels like miccro datisi bugspray and aldus r a little clique who don't care about my actual alignment and are just cyberbullying me cuz they want to kill me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

lol rolling on the floor crying

i guess its super mature to gang up on people with your little posse from out of game and bandwagon them for total bullshit reasons but if I call them out on it I'm just being immature or crying.

good fucking joke

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky please just give us something do you actually have reads

koba is town
datisi is town
miccro scumlean
aldus scumlean

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

dsj town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

skitter town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Summary:

Koba Town
Datisi Town
Dsj Town
Skitter Town

bugspray null
worst null

aldus scumlean
miccro mask scumlean

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i hope you try to actually play the game this time

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

What's the town benefit to claiming what setup our role comes from?

This post is scummy because he clearly hasn't thought about the benefits for town of claiming which setup the role comes from - it's not natural for him - his actual thought here is about which fakeclaim he wants to make and which setup to fake-claim out of.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

claiming setups seems bad as it can out players as being obviously vanilla

this post is one dimensional - it only tackles the issue from one side - if a scum player claims a setup he's not in - he could be trapped by a counter-claim or trapped by his lack of ability to claim a role when he wants to.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i will absolutely pocket both of you if i'm scum

this is absolutely the type of cheeky post Aldus-scum would make to his buddies in the clique and they could have a good laugh about after in the postgame

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky is unusually quiet so far

throws shade at me for being "quiet" and not posting a lot despite the game being open for only 9 hours and much of it when I was sleeping.

Pooky's posting in this game reminds me of Coalition when I was scum with him, especially when he was fighting with Koba except now instead of Koba it's Datisi. So I'm feeling good about my vote placement rn.

now throws shade at me for posting a lot and fighting. Really cool how Aldus can make whatever I do sound sinister and susp.


Aldus does this as scum - he plays pretty lazy - tunnels on a person, makes up lazy bs reasons to keep his vote on the person - notice how in the first hours of the game he's throwing shade at me for not posting, and now he's throwing shade at me for fighting and posting.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

BTW I asked Micc and I could totally play this game under a "mask" account as long as I made it clear it was still me.

despite clear wagon progression towards lynch very quickly - he avoid talking about me now and is back to talking about mechanics - feels like scum who is happy with where his vote is - a mislynch but doesn't want to say much because it's bad for him to get his hands too dirty when I flip town.

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vote Alduskkel

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Koba is towny but I would guillotine there today for QoL reasons.

this is such a scummy post - lynching people cuz you don't like their playstyle even tho you think they're town is straight up gamethrowing

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Seemed to me like a sincere and natural paranoid town reaction rather than scum trying to make sure I wasn’t exempted from the execution pool.

I don't believe this is a genuine thought - think there's a decent chance aldus/miccro are running scum-theater with this fake concern over the mask thing because it's not something I think a reasonable player would get concerned over. If either of them flips scum - the other is probably doing kabuki theater with them here.

it's pretty obv to me that miccro was put in a mask by the moderator to begin with since it was in the OP list and he didn't sign up under an alt. Also there's literally no gain from faking that you are from the mask game since it's basically a vanilla only game.

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I should also mention that my aldus read is partly tonal, it’s just I think that psot was the one that pinged me most strongly. I also think he just ~*feels*~ different compared to the last 2 games with him (and he was scum in both of those)

how is aldus tonally different from Coalition scum aldus?

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Also, my scumlean was dsjstr but I doubt me keeping that quiet will be helpful now

explain your scumlean - I have dsj down as town

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overall after finishing my read of miccro mask - i think there is a level of scum-think and carefulness that didn't exist in Coalition mafia - where I think he was pretty open and honest with what he was thinking. Here he's much more careful and restrained - his words and posts feel planned and not genuine. It's like one of those movies where the character is being controlled by an alien bodysnatcher or some shit.

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Townreads:

Koba:

I don't see Koba making this post as scum:

datisi are you trembling in scum chat rn about how much town im radiating <3 . <3

I also don't think Koba is this

nice

as a scum player.

Datisi:

Datisi's play on me is too genuine and dumb to come from a scum player - he would know I'm innocent and I think there's a pretty good chance Datisi actually believes I'm scum. Also pushing hard on an innocent lynch is kind of a dumb player D1 as scum.

Dsj:

I like this post:

I believe I've consistently played all of my scum games slowly so just trying to add in some town ones. You can vote me but I think you will only confuse yourself more if you continue questioning me

feels natural

I like this post:

So it's pointless and you two could be spending your time doing something productive. I don't like the timing of it just popping up during the middle of a Datisi/Pooky duel which makes me question if it's SvS and an attempt to distance while not trying to get traction for a wagon.

I don't think scum come up with that thought at that point in time with a runaway pooky wagon on an innocent pooky

skitter:

lots of great posts from her - like her overall approach to the game and her mindset so far.

post that stood out for me was:

The pooky dats thing is making me Anxious :/

I'll believe her emotions at a face-level and I don't think scum feel those emotions when it's a TvT skirmish like that

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let's say you're aldus and your post says that you think it's bad for players to claim to be from game XXX because let's say XXX was a vanilla only setup with townies/mafia so you are basically saying you are not a power role if you are from game XXX.

Now let's say you see that DC has decided to play as "Micro Mask" from a vanilla only game - meaning DC is either vanilla townie or a standard mafia.

You now feel "paranoid" about DC faking his "mask-ness" that is pretending to be a masked player by making an alt and getting the mod to put him on the player list as that alt.

There's a few problems with this:

1) What advantage does DC gain from claiming he is from micro XXX where its a vanilla only setup? He only restricts his own claim range to vanilla or mafia - doesn't make him look any more innocent.

2) if any other player was from micro XXX - they would know that DC is lying about his masked nature and immediately be able to go after DC. - remember at the beginning of the game it's not clear to a scum from a different game that a player from the masked micro would be even masked to begin with.

3) It's quite convoluted for scum-DC from a different game to scroll thru micros and think hey let me pretend to be this masked person from a different game so i have to post in this game under an alt which is kind of a pain in the ass for no real gain whatsoever.

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have you like, tried to read bugspray and I or are we just policy null ?

i don't think i have any chance of reading bugspray - their posts are just bleh

I haven't settled on what I think about you yet.

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I also have no idea why you're using a metric for dkko where they would be less friendly as scum. your take on dsj is probably the read of yours which feels the closest to real :s

cuz i subbed in for koba in a game where he was mafia and reading his posts was toxic af

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I'm not sure what part of this post is inherently ever likely to come from scum!mask towards town!dkko?

without having a personality baseline for mask I think this is just nai

you don't understand meta from coalition then - mask was mad at koba and their little clique likes to bully people into submission

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the rest of your posts about mask just feel like you've decided them/Aldus are the scumteam and you're looking for theatre in interactions which I don't think are any more likely to be theatre than like. anyone interacting.

I think the aldus paranoia about donc's "masked nature" is scum theatre because it doesn't make sense coming from a town player.

I don't see the motivation for scum to fake being "masked" if anything it makes them an easier lynch since possible loss is less than lynching any random player since they can't possibly be a power role.

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so is aldus paranoid and thinking too much or lazy ? can't have it both ways

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yea it makes so much sense to put me at L-1 instead of letting the rest of the town discuss things whatever

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isn't this a tell that he *isn't* blindly tunnelling you?

nope

it's blind tunneling because even tho his initial random vote has now grown into L-1 full fledged wagon he's decided to not comment on the players joining the wagon and maintain his "read" on me and I use "read" quite generously because it's pretty obvious he didn't really put much effort into reading me at all if you look at his posts. He's ok with lynching me based on some random comments about my post count and "fighting".

It's the kind of noncommital action where a scum is ok with where his vote is because it leads to an easy ML but also keeps himself separate because he knows i'll flip green and he will look bad tommorrow if he pushes.

Also you will notice his posting has no comments about other people as my wagon gains steam and rises to the top.

A townie playing well would actually be alarmed at how fast the wagon grew under mostly BS reasons - but he's happy to keep his vote there while keeping himself at arms length - he's probably just scum here - if he's town he's playing incredibly badly and also lazily.

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The votes on dsj/bugs are fine too but I feel this

pedit: wasn't aware it was e-1, sorry for not announcing; I'm actually fine with you being e-1 tho. if I'm wrong on you feel free to keep responding to the points I've been makign

we're barely 2 days into a 10 day deadline and i've almost already been lynched once today u really feel good about putting me at L-1? kinda bullshit but whatever

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duckee what are you doing :/

are you really not even willing to consider the idea that your boy aldus might be scum here?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

r u signalling intention to hammer?

might wanna give me a chance to claim before you hit me with that thing

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

he's posted 1 post about me since the wagon took off and it's a one liner about how I fought with Koba in Coalition and it looked similar which is pretty weak cuz i'd obviously fight with someone when they're trying to lynch me regardless of what alignment I am. Also when I fought with Koba it was about whether he should be in the coalition so it's entirely different.

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if only i woke up half an hour earlier...

I will ask again because you ignored me. Is that a signal u want to hammer me if I’m get to L-1? Cuz I’m not a vanilla townie. I have a pretty decent role and I will claim it if I have to but I’d rather not let scum know what it is.

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He just strikes me as more engaged than he did there in his opening posts

Here he’s kind of more relaxed and what he’s said has been fairly focused on the current gamestate

There he didn’t feel relaxed he felt sort of stilted and he kept talking about the future etc

you don't think this is because most of his "engaged" posts today are because he's shitposting with his best buddy Datisi?

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. I think that it’s weird that you’re arguing that aldus is scummy for that while townresding datisi or not having the same worries there (if you did say this about datisi it got drowned out in the noise)

my datisi read is more based on the fact that he was actually genuinely upset and angry at me and thought I was scum - which he can't really fake as well if he's scum.

the fact that him scumpushing me that hard doesn't make sense is more of a secondary reason given that i will flip green when he pushes my card over.

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(2) you know that aldus is liable to hardbus based on your last game with him. Although I’m not sure if he did in PyP actually, but either way I think assuming that *I* would feel the need to defend him/support him as I entered the game is a pretty bad take on what I’d likely do as scum

I told him to hardbus me for distancing in the last game - whether he does that on his own on his scumbuddy i dunno.

Also I don't particularly care for what you would or wouldn't do - I just think it doesn't make sense for him to get paranoid about your masked nature given how it's not really alignment indicative - if he has a GOOD reason for why he would think this - he can say it obv.

I think the real reason is because he was thinking about the difficulty of fake-claiming a setup because he was dealt a scumrole in a badsetup for scum - for example a setup where the scum role is playing against something OTHER than vanilla townies as this limits the scums range out of fakeclaims out of the easiest fakeclaim - aka vanilla townie. Even tho its trivially easy to dial up another setup and picking that one instead - he's thinking about the small probability that someone else was dealt that setup and can counterclaim him.

The reason a badsetup for scum to be dealt their role is one where there are not vanilla townie for example is one in which the only role other than scum are townside power roles or something that is verifiable in a game way such as your mask thing.

That line of thought would lead to the point where he's thinking about you maybe fake-claiming your game setup because he's thinking about his own difficulties and approaching it from a scum POV - I don't see how a townie naturally reaches the suspicious of your masked-alt POV.

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yeah but i dunno if you're aware how seriously and personally i take accusations of cheating

i didn't say it was cheating

why wouldn't you favor your friends

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Yes, but I think that argument is ridiculous and I think literally nobody is taking it seriously other than pooky, who, if scum, is also not taking it seriously and is just playing an obnoxious scumgame

why is it ridiculous?

the 4 people voting me happen to be the exact same 4 people who r apparently pretty friendly and also played or modded coalition together. you don't think that's strange?

If you were to just play a game like that with some people and the next game you play, those exact people all vote you for some ludicrous reason, you wouldn't think it might be fore out of game bullshit?

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blocking with your friends in game for out-of-game reasons is disgusting and (if not cheating in a literal sense) is definitely purposefully playing against your wincon

if you're deciding between whether to believe your friend who you have a long history of playing and having fun with and some random who you've never really gotten along with, you are psychologically more likely to favor your friend - that's just basic psych bias and not something you have control over.

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but also i think pooky's earlier push of bugs was a scumpush on a mislynch so ┐('д')┌

it was a random vote on what was essentially day 1 of the game thread being open for a reason that is pretty funny when you actually think about it.

I wanted to ping them on why they were posting this game versus their basic nonexistence flakey self in the other 2 games - instead of letting me have that convo which even if you think bugs town would've at least given you more info, you decided to jump on me for literally no reason like some kind of deranged psycho move like "waaah how dare you think bugs could be scum !! look we said he was town!! you are being evil yaaaa!" when you literally didn't give me the chance to talk with him about his actions this game so far.

So no you don't get to say I was doing some shady scumpush on bugs - I put down 1 vote on bugs and the reason was basically tongue in cheek meta comparison and i just wanted to have a convo with them on their activity so far and you just randomly blew it all out of proportion for reasons I still don't understand which is why I attributed it to ego-driven revenge for the other game.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

blocking with your friends in game for out-of-game reasons is disgusting and (if not cheating in a literal sense) is definitely purposefully playing against your wincon

if you're deciding between whether to believe your friend who you have a long history of playing and having fun with and some random who you've never really gotten along with, you are psychologically more likely to favor your friend - that's just basic psych bias and not something you have control over.

except no because (1) i personally get paranoid over my friends moch more than randos and (2) that is demonstratably false

I don't think you've been paranoid about your buddy aldus at all this game

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i don't wanna be seen as RoLeFiShInG but if i'm not mightly curious how you have mech indication duck is scummy on day 1

is this directed at me?

I've already stated multiple times my vote on bugspray was a conversation starter/random vote for the reason I stated :

I thought it was funny the 2 times I've played with him, bugs basically didn't show up - in one game bugs made like 20 posts total and showed up AFTER the game to be like "huh?! the game's over!? what the hell guys!?"

Which is funny to me because I was posting and fighting with all sorts of people in that game as bugs lover - and bugs literally did not participate in the fights or the action and just played chess with me in our PT and literally ignored the game while it was going on - then showed up afterwards.

In the other game, coalition , bugs posted twice and replaced out.

My interpretation of bugs actions is that bugs finds this game more fun or whatever and has decided to bless us with bugs presence this game and I wanted to talk with bugs about why this was and get a feel for bugs.

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(1) i'm reading him as town rn (2) there isn't much point hitting my head against the wall about aldus when he literally isn't here right now (3) if i linked games where i played w aldus after we became friends and where i was scumreading him, would that do anything for you or should i just not bother

do you not understand that your reads can be wrong?

are you some kind of mafia playing god with perfect reads or something?

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i mean, saying that my push is "just about your voute" is plainly wrong - like i thought i made it clear that your reactions afterwards were like, how do you say, Not Good?

this is my standard reaction when someone makes super arrogant posts indicating they are 100% sure of my guilt when I am in fact town. it really pisses me off when someone with no role info and a weak hand try to make it sound super strong cuz it's basically 100% bullshitting.

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bugs, is the pooping on your lawn some in-joke i'm missing or do ypu genuinely think duck is scum?

it's an in-joke and also i am very suspicious of him

ok, can you please elaborate on that

its mech thats all i really wanna say rn

i don't wanna be seen as RoLeFiShInG but if i'm not mightly curious how you have mech indication duck is scummy on day 1

k got it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

(1) i'm reading him as town rn (2) there isn't much point hitting my head against the wall about aldus when he literally isn't here right now (3) if i linked games where i played w aldus after we became friends and where i was scumreading him, would that do anything for you or should i just not bother

do you not understand that your reads can be wrong?

are you some kind of mafia playing god with perfect reads or something?

ok?

like just because "my reads can be wrong" doesn't mean i'm either gonna (a) run in paranoid circles about every single person in game or (b) lock-town them based on out-of-game bullshit

like just because i'm not currently feeling paranoid about someone doesn't mean i'm not like, thinking about that read and trying to evolve it?

I'm not saying you run around in paranoid circles - I'm saying give me a chance to have a conversation 1v1 with bugs or 1v1 with aldus when I come out with a different read and watch how it develops instead of jumping in and defending them with sword and shield screaming DIE POOKY SCUM at the top of your lungs.

Because you might be wrong on your read and it's more information for you either way.

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you don't see you derailing my posts at bugs before bugs can respond as preventing me from interacting with bugs?

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like I basically made a random vote on bugs


people were like why?

i said its cuz bugs was awol in the 2 games i played with him previously ( which is pretty obviously a jokey reason by any reasonable read)

Now you can either wait to see how this develops or you can jump down my throat with full on POOKY IS SCUM EAT ROPE DIE DIE DIE.

You don't let bugs respond to me naturally

You don't see how the conversation develops.

you just jump in feet first with your insane antics and completely shut down the thread.

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you realize seeing how that convo develops would give you a lot more information about whether your read there is right?

Like it's not like bugs was in danger of being lynched there,

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cuz like if people actually started voting bugs hard after that - I'd get worried and unvote and that'd probly be more informative for you ?

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its still the same as what I posted last night since he hasn't responded at all - I'd want to see his explanation of why he was paranoid about the mask thing

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

my bad

im not doing it intentionally i go back and edit but i miss your pronoun but i forget/miss some sometimes and im just not very used to typing out they/them in sentences

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok i respect you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

for someone complaining about QoL you are pretty toxic to read DonC

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you read koba as town there's no reason to policy lynch koba because it's basically the same as ignoring koba except you give up a lynchday

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pooky where are u at wrt your thoughts on the current game state?

i think its basically right now too heavy on datisi/koba/pooky/micro mask being toxic to each other and we probly need to take a step back from the game for a day or two to let everyone else get involved and detox the game because the flaming is p heavy and it's probly kinda painful for every1 else to read. we got 8 days so we can always revisit at a later time.

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Crybaby who talks about 1v1ing but starts appealing to other players the second they come under any heat says what?

what heat are you talking about? literally nobody is scum-reading koba rn

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why is he appealing to other players then if its just you hurling personal insults at him about his play-skill?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm asking miccro mask something about what he said about you.

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All the posts where I’m just here to talk shit on koba

you know the best way to show Koba you're right and he's wrong is to catch some scum and make them eat rope right? There's really no point shit-talking koba if you think he's town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Like what's actually worth reading?

I don't understand why you are paranoid about DonC's masked nature - like why do you think that's a gambit and what does he have to gain from the gambit?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Sure!

I really liked this from aldus on koba outing the game I’m from:

is there anything to stop DC from just pretending to be from that setup? like what's to stop him from playing the game as miccro mask but not have his role taken from the mask game

Seemed to me like a sincere and natural paranoid town reaction rather than scum trying to make sure I wasn’t exempted from the execution pool.

*****

The duck has just been engaging in really good faith which makes me TR him because while I don’t have loads of experience with scum!him I know I’ve seen him really not bother to do that when he is scum.

This progression around koba was really good — scumreading the bad push, through to trying to offer advice/defuse and to help koba read him better, into the realisation that koba seems basically sincere in the final post I’m quoting.

You don't think I'm mafia though (:

like regardless of your alignment your opinion on high postcount players is slimy.
the fact you're also transparently ignoring my attempts to understand where you're coming from makes me think you're more interested in driving a push than actually sorting me

so like
no
i think you're mafia

yes i am interested in driving a push bc - it helps sort u and I have suspicion of you.

that is how u scumhunt

like yelling @ people in bad faith is an awful way to scumhunt
you're spouting constant nonsense and expecting me to answer it

unless you scumread me irl you're not going to discern much about me

there's this flash of cognisance around this thought:

see u are doing it again, trying to be all friendly ~~~ this is the shit im talkinga bout wrt not being inflammatory. when u start to come off as accusatory u immediately remedy it and try to make ppl feel like ur not attacking them.

leading into this post:

on one hand - i understand the sentiment of the vibe i get that u are just concerned with not being FoS'd, I have the same quirk when it comes to playing that I will hard question why anyone would fos me regardless of allignment.

on the other i still think ur scum

but alternatively I am unsure if anyone is going to be willing to sheep me on this so i may lay off for now and revisit once i have more evidence either way to sort you~

which isn't like, hypocritical but it's hypocrisy-adjacent and it makes me think there's actually a sincere thought process here.

Although maybe you get some town points for misunderstanding what was happening with my role

But like you could be misunderstanding that as scum so... less townpoints

I should also mention that my aldus read is partly tonal, it’s just I think that psot was the one that pinged me most strongly. I also think he just ~*feels*~ different compared to the last 2 games with him (and he was scum in both of those)

2 early posts that strongly pinged me. the analysis on the worst within the context of the timing is strange and comes off as fake

i overall suggest looking through their ISO.

koba's case for you being scum is in this post

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Like what's actually worth reading?

I don't understand why you are paranoid about DonC's masked nature - like why do you think that's a gambit and what does he have to gain from the gambit?

I don't think it's a gambit after what the mod posted

I'm asking why you thought it was a gambit in the first place

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I'm allergic to apples so I'm lowkey jelly of all you apple eaters

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its not completely implausible that DonC is just too rage-mad at you that he can't do any actual scumhunting so I want to see if we can re-direct his energy off the "lets just policy kill koba" thing and do some useful stuff cuz I can at least get a better read on him when he's

trying

to find scum. I think I have a pretty good handle on his thought process from when he was playing coalition.

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enough people have done things that I think make them town that I just wanna use PoE and flip slots that don’t make me feel that way

Elimination by PoE is a pretty good way to end up mislynching townies that aren't playing well and not as useful for catching scum imo.

I think your aggro playstyle in coalition was a lot more protown and easier to follow.

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Exploring possibilities + raising doubt about it means that DC isn't confirmed as vanilla which helps town PRs hide

so you weren't suspicious about DC-scum faking a mask-role, you were just trying to raise doubt in order to help hide the townie PRs?


In other words you wanted scum to think it was possible that DC was actually a PR that faked being a masked-vanilla in order to hide his PR-Nature and thus you expressed paranoia?

Just want to make sure I understand your plan correctly.

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@micro mask I'm very interested in hearing what you think of Aldus's admission that his "paranoia" regarding you was actually just faked in order to try to "hide town PRs" by marking you as a possible town PR to expand the scum kill pool.

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I'd welcome everybody else's thoughts on Aldus's explanation as well - does it sound like something a townie would plausibly think of? But specifically I want to hear your thoughts because you said his suspicion and paranoia of your masked-nature was a key reason why you townread his slot. Does this read change now that he has admitted that his paranoia was fake to begin with?

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If you don't read any of my posts - I hope you read this one, it's long but worth it imo:

Why I do not believe Aldus Explanation:

Aldus's explanation of his "paranoia" about DonC's "masked nature" is that "Exploring possibilities + raising doubt about it means that DC isn't confirmed as vanilla which helps town PRs hide"


A) The Assumption here is that the scum have looked at the masked game and now know DonC is a vanilla townie based off his role and this narrows the room for the NKs to be in in looking for power-roles - it's not clear the scum have done that much research or thought of this. It's also not clear if DonC is even a townie to begin with - he could just be mafia in which case the scum know the Masked role is not a PR.

B) Instead of "exploring" and keeping the possibility open that DonC is not forced into the mask by the mod and actually did it on his own and thus could be a power role - Aldus's questions to the moderator actually make this possibility certainly impossible - basically confirming for the scum if they are not DonC that DonC is definitely a townie if he is not scum since his role is from that vanilla game.

C) Picture yourself getting dealt a protown power role, now you decide to hide your identity as a power role by going to the moderator and asking for a change to your username in game to "Miccro Mask" in order to pretend you are a vanilla townie - how is this a good idea? What if a tracker tracks your movement and sees you did an action at night and now the tracker thinks you are mafia from that game? What if another player got dealt vanilla townie in that game and then opens up on you immediately on day 1? What do you say at that point? oops I'm actually a protown power role from ANOTHER game and I decided to fake being from this vanilla game in order to throw the mafia off my tracks? Like who would believe this? Literally one of the easiest lynches ever if you are ever caught out and hence why the downside far outweighs any potential gain.

4) In case he is right that some protown power role did do this (which I find unlikely as hell) why would he call them out on it and spotlight it for the scum? That side of the move also does not make sense.

5) I honestly find it highly unlikely that Aldus actually had originally thought of this because it's such a ridiculous play for a protown power role to make - I think he made this up after he got called out by me for his paranoia because it doesn't make any sense. Now he's saying it's actually fake paranoia for a different alternate protown purpose, but just think for a second how difficult it would be to believe that a protown power role would decide to hide themselves in a different vanilla game by telling the moderator to change the participation account from their account to a masked account in the pregame immediately after roles are dealt out - like would anyone believe that a power role would do this? I don't think so and I don't see how it's reasonable for Aldus to think this is possible either.


Conclusion: Aldus's paranoia of Micro Mask's "Masked Nature" in the early stages of the game did not make sense - he now admits it was faked in order to confuse the scum - his explanation does not make sense for the reasons I highlighted below. I think it's very possible that if we feed Aldus some rope today he will flip red.

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Can you quote his paranoia plz?

is there anything to stop DC from just pretending to be from that setup? like what's to stop him from playing the game as miccro mask but not have his role taken from the mask game

BTW I asked Micc and I could totally play this game under a "mask" account as long as I made it clear it was still me.

The question I asked was "could i theoretically substitute myself with another account like "alduskkel mask""?

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I wouldnt say i'm self-conscious, really, more self-aware enough of how scum in this pl would view me and i think they'd much rather slap a tr on me than pick a fight

i like this thought process

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'll also say that i'm incredibly capable of writing that as scum so

I like this too.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I happen to not be here but this isnt a good reason to tr me

At this point you could claim scum and I wouldn’t believe you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I happen to not be here but this isnt a good reason to tr me

At this point you could claim scum and I wouldn’t believe you

Pooky is going to get a very rude awakening at some point

Not this game tho

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

w i l d

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Imagine being so arrogant as to think you’re just going to decide to solve skitter D1 when literally the paragon winner from last year was unable to do that in team mafia this year, with another paragon winner in his team to help him

i'm probably the most arrogant player on this website by a factor of three because I'm a giant asshole and if skitter is scum i'm like 99% sure I will handle it this game ez

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

is there a game with a scum dayvig?

last will miccro mask? if you're actually town I promise to carry and win this for your spirit

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

reading micro 906 i'm surprised someone didn't just dayvig right off the bat for fun

i would've definitely just shot someone at random on page 1

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

is there a game with a scum dayvig?

last will miccro mask? if you're actually town I promise to carry and win this for your spirit

Are you reading or?

details bro

can't lynch dsj on cuz DC said so

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

skitter:

lots of great posts from her - like her overall approach to the game and her mindset so far.

post that stood out for me was:

In post 378, skitter30 wrote:
The pooky dats thing is making me Anxious :/


I'll believe her emotions at a face-level and I don't think scum feel those emotions when it's a TvT skirmish like that

when I'm scum and I see two townies going bam bam bam on each other I usually just start munching the popcorn and enjoying the fireworks - I think your anxiety feels genuinely townie

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

DonC is an alt of someone else

apparently its the cool thing to do now

kids these days

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

r we supposed to care about who you really are

is this like some type of Undercover Boss thing

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this game is going to give me eye cancer

you guys should see how we used to play back in the day

it was a lot more fun and civil than this

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Sure!

I really liked this from aldus on koba outing the game I’m from:

In post 37, Alduskkel wrote:
is there anything to stop DC from just pretending to be from that setup? like what's to stop him from playing the game as miccro mask but not have his role taken from the mask game


Seemed to me like a sincere and natural paranoid town reaction rather than scum trying to make sure I wasn’t exempted from the execution pool.

btw DonC can we get an update on this post since now Aldus has admitted he wasn't actually a paranoid townie but really doing some kind of intricate gambit where he gets scum to think you might be a power role doing a mask shenanigan so they would consider you for a nightkill?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If you were, or if you’d bothered to go back and look at my last will post that wasn’t just me memeing on koba, you’d know that aldus is like second in my proposed elim chain

yea I saw your last will but I'm not sure why aldus isn't first cuz it's not like we're gonna follow your last will to the letter =]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dont think donc actually believed that koba dayvigged him

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what reason was there not to believe it?

because a dayvig is hard to balance in this type of setup

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

thats generally incorrect and epicmafia setups say hello

yea but this isn't epicmafia and this setup has been reviewed so i don't think it makes sense to have a day-vig in this game just for balance purposes - a conf inno townie is alrdy pretty strong - you add a daykill just feels super imba

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like in the game the day-vig is from

the town is like 4 town vs 2 mafia with 1 of the town able to dayvig

here we're probly doing 2 mafia vs 7 town - so it doesn't make sense to have a dayvig cuz it would crowd out all the other power roles - heck the town could have only 1 dayvig as a PR and it'd still be stronger than the town in the original game where the mafia get to play lylo if the dayvig misses but here it's like they're still a few MLs away from winning.

Anyway I don't think DonC really believed he was actually DayVig'd and his reaction was kind of scummy to it,

here's the acceptable reactions I would've thought is within DonC's townrange:

1) He believes koba - massive hardcore flaming - I don't think someone with donC's skill level would actually believe a day-vig is possible in this setup but I could be wrong here.

2) He doesn't believe Koba - he tells koba he's lying and full of !@#$ - this is what I would expect Town DC to do.


Instead we got a reaction that's kind of like a last will thing and we all kind of played along and it feels scummy to me because it feels like DC knew Koba didn't DayVig him but he took adv of it anyway to give this last will type reaction. I dunno I think it feels fake.

Anyway it'd be wild if the 2 scum really were aldus/DonC and I still like my aldus vote better despite my unease regarding DC's reaction to Koba.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I finally put my finger on it: he feels incredibly self-aware in the gamestate, in setups of former games, but he isnt using that to sort people

Like he's saying he knew the dk vig shot was fake, but he held onto that knowledge for a while for no reason, really, and doing so didnt really seem to translate in any way to reads

What do u guys think of this?

I was pretty sure the dayvig was fake, I played along cuz I didn’t think there was any reason to not to in case we got some AI material from DC.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I see a lot of discussion on whether I faked my reaction to the dayvig shot or not, so to clarify:

I thought the dayvig shot was probably not real, because I don’t see how a 9p would be balanced with a dayvig; but koba had softed dayvig stuff earlier on, and while I put the percentage chance of it being real pretty low, if it *was* real then it was important to get my final reads out and I had enough uncertainty about it being real that doing that as insurance seemed like the best option

imo your reaction felt like you wanted to look better for after the vig kill failed than a genuine reaction.

like if you reacted to koba with "hahah do you think I'm a noob or something? there's no way you're a dayvig get that weak shit out of here" or some kind of ego driven retort snubbing them and calling them dumb for even attempting such a play - I could see that coming from a town-donC as a pure reactionary move after getting "dayviged"

but instead it was like the last will of a town type thing that I think a scumDC would do in order to pass a reaction test.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

honestly your biggest mistake in your analysis is assuming that I thought about this for more than like 30 seconds when it was more like "oh hey, something unusual to talk about early on instead of just RVSing" and also "that'd be such a sick play if DC faked being from the mask game"

I don't think you came up with "let's work up mask paranoia regarding Miccro's account in the game in order to get the scum to think that Miccro could possibly be non-vanilla PR who changed his account in order to pretend to be a vanilla townie so that their pool for where the PRs could be expands by a tiny amount" in 30 seconds while glancing at Miccro playing under a different name. That's a very convoluted thought to have and not naturally the first thought that comes to a townie's mind when seeing the role in the OP and in the PM from moderator to us. It feels very much like an excuse you invented after the fact when you were just typing random stuff in the beginning.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why are you making such a big deal about something from page 2

There's not much to analyze from you because you aren't very present in the game - I think it could be because you are scum who is having trouble finding traction other than occasional small talk with your bros about silly stuff.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you could just hammer aldus now and re-read the thread during the night

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what if aldus is scum

it would be glorious

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we play the game to make big plays

hammering someone within 30m of replacing in and without even reading the thread? Glorious

finding out they are actually scum too? Priceless.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If I'm gonna hammer him, I'd rather it be an informed decision.

Information is highly overrated. I find I make my best decisions when I don't do much thought.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Well I find the opposite

have you done statistical analysis of this?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

hello <3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

will she still be playing as Miccro Mask?